View Full Version : ROME ROUND 3: Dammit does for Muzzah: 6'7, 6'3, 6'2. Andy out of Rome.
Of course! I've just realised why Andy didn't want to spend the weekend in Rome - he wanted to be home in time to see Hibs beat Hearts in the Scottish Cup. They haven't met since 1896 and Hibs haven't won since 1902 - I think he'd definitely want to be there!
^^ Not so, Alis, according to this article - http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/tennis/murray-shows-commitment-by-missing-hibs-big-day.17637535
But you feel that he should be there - away from tennis, taking his mind off things.
What a pity - definitely should have gone!
Why nothing wrong with venting your emotions. Better out than in as they say. And I'm sure like most tennis players Andy has died a thousand deaths out on court.
I disagree. He should really try to keep that sort of thing to himself.
All the really great players do. And even the great ones that didn't (e.g. McEnroe) admitted that it adversely impacted their game.
Hey guys, have resisted posting this but DRASTIC measures are called for! It is ridiculous that Andy has had back problems for almost 6 months. There are many, many different therapies/treatments for back issues , including M.A.T. Without going into too much detail muscle activation technique and similar therapies work to basically 'balance' or allow the muscles to go back to their correct length. When this happens the stress is relived from the compensatory area (in this case lower/mid back) and generally for backs' it is strengthening the proper 'core' muscles that will alleviate and 'fix' the problem. I am not very impressed with his injury management and hopefully if this is worked out we may , eventually, see our boy winning a GS. Please, please do something different Andy as we are all on your side and want you to play to the level we know you are capable of........A very concerned fan!
Totally agree how ridiculous he has let this problem linger for so long in this day and age where assessments and cure readily available. Just ask Federer he does not let a back injury lingers, he gets it fix quickly.
I wish someone would tell me how to cure mine :sad:
Me too - I'd love to know how to get a quick fix - I've tried everything!
Madeline
19-05-2012, 15:15
And me!
HoopGirl
19-05-2012, 15:52
And me too!
Madeline
19-05-2012, 23:26
Wow, what a lot of bad backs in here! It wouldn't be anything to do with the tension of following Murray matches, by any chance? :lol:
VamosVixs
19-05-2012, 23:29
My back is sore now too, was moving a heavy sofa last night! :sofa: :sad:
Sallydaisy
20-05-2012, 07:16
My back is sore now too, was moving a heavy sofa last night! :sofa: :sad:
Shame you haven't got AI on hand (like Andy has) to sort it out for you!!!
Hope you're alright this morning!
Shame you haven't got AI on hand (like Andy has) to sort it out for you!!!
Hope you're alright this morning!
Now that's a thought :drool:
david1610
20-05-2012, 10:00
Back problem is a general term for so many different problems that one of course cannot generalize. I also had to have physiotherapy ever so often for a number of years for my back but in the last three years have not. Of course in this day of incredible sophisticated procedures one can find something that works ..... in my case, swimming!
Back problem is a general term for so many different problems that one of course cannot generalize. I also had to have physiotherapy ever so often for a number of years for my back but in the last three years have not. Of course in this day of incredible sophisticated procedures one can find something that works ..... in my case, swimming!
Oooo David, I had no idea that swimming was classed as "sophisticated" :lol:
wriggles
20-05-2012, 12:54
Totally agree how ridiculous he has let this problem linger for so long in this day and age where assessments and cure readily available. Just ask Federer he does not let a back injury lingers, he gets it fix quickly.
There is no known 'cure' for back pain...otherwise dont you think the person who invented it would be a very famous person! agassi went through his career with a back problem that was never cured..the most hitech equipment cannot tell you what the problem is..surgeons can operate, this doesnt guarantee pain free existence..you can train your core up till your blue in the face (which andy does!) you can have all the different soft tissue release techniques performed on you every day (which im sure andy ireland does as hes an excellent physio)...and sometimes...as someone said earlier..swimming works! everyone is different..and for some there is no cure...i wouldnt blame his team for his injury management there is only so much an individuals body can tolerate and some are more injury prone than others....federer is a freak of nature when it comes to injuries!
Quite. Also there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of people signed off work with back pain.
Peter Fleming was just saying what a 'horrible place' Andy is in just now. His game is built on his movement and it is obvious he just cannot move. Barry Cowan - whom I usually hold no brief for - was saying that he feels the problem has been there since the final in Dubai - looking back I think he may well have a point. Poor Andy - it couldn't have happened at a worse time. As a back pain sufferer myself - who hasn't been able to find any fix never mind a quick one - he has all my sympathy.
Andy himself has stated that it is a 'compensatory' problem which means that certain muscles are working overtime whereas some are not working enough. This is not an opinion but a fact. The 64,00 dollar ? is............which muscles are not performing properly and what methods can be used to achieve the optimum results. I know there are a lot of different ways to evaluate and correct imbalances in the body and quite frankly Team Murray should be trying them all until they get it right. Maybe this IS (pray!) what they are doing but they seem to be taking a heck of a long time!
There is no known 'cure' for back pain...otherwise dont you think the person who invented it would be a very famous person! agassi went through his career with a back problem that was never cured..the most hitech equipment cannot tell you what the problem is..surgeons can operate, this doesnt guarantee pain free existence..you can train your core up till your blue in the face (which andy does!) you can have all the different soft tissue release techniques performed on you every day (which im sure andy ireland does as hes an excellent physio)...and sometimes...as someone said earlier..swimming works! everyone is different..and for some there is no cure...i wouldnt blame his team for his injury management there is only so much an individuals body can tolerate and some are more injury prone than others....federer is a freak of nature when it comes to injuries!
I'd imagine some muscles are working overtime because of some sort of disc/spinal problem, not because some are simply working more than others. But I'm not a medic of course.
Unless it is an acute injury ie. an accident or something similar, then the joints ie spine and pelvis are actually dictated by the muscular system regarding a chronic injury. For example if a disc or part of the spine is not where it should be and is causing pain or problems then it is because of certain muscles being out of balance. His team would do well to try to find out as much as they can on this matter or they are doing him a disservice.We all want to see Andy doing the best that he can and we know he can do more than he has been doing lately
I'd imagine some muscles are working overtime because of some sort of disc/spinal problem, not because some are simply working more than others. But I'm not a medic of course.
Lesley, if you are an expert on back injuries I would really appreciate some advice. I have hurt my sacroileac joint. Last time I did this it took about a year to get better. This time it's worse and I'm in a lot of pain when sitting (which I have to do all day at work) and especially when driving. I have for the moment stopped running, tennis & gym in order to rest it. What is your advice?
Hi Linda, sorry about your back. I would definitely not say I was an expert but I have worked in health and fitness over 15 years and for the last 18 months, have been working alongside a very good physical therapist with sportsmen and women here in Florida (mainly golfers but a few tennis players) and we have discovered that even after back surgery, long term chronic injuries etc. the most effective treatment is , pelvic realignment (when necessary) followed by muscle rebalancing then corrective strengthening exercises. It is not a very clever thing to suggest any one particular treatment but if you do your research (M.A.T.) regarding this, you will find a really good therapist who can help you. This takes some determination and focus on your part but the results are very, very good. I wrote in initially because no one we have worked with took any more than a couple of months to get better so I'm incredibly frustrated with Andy's team. The only time it did not work was when clients either went back to their original work-out routine or they stopped doing the proper strengthening exercises, mainly pelvic floor and transverse abdominus, P.S. Don't get scared by the names they are only muscles like pecs and biceps etc. but they just do a more important job!
Good Luck with your recovery
Lesley, if you are an expert on back injuries I would really appreciate some advice. I have hurt my sacroileac joint. Last time I did this it took about a year to get better. This time it's worse and I'm in a lot of pain when sitting (which I have to do all day at work) and especially when driving. I have for the moment stopped running, tennis & gym in order to rest it. What is your advice?
Lesleyf - I've been reading your posts with interest - do you think (or anyone else for that matter) that Andy should be playing tournament tennis while trying to search for a possible cure for this back injury?
It's not easy to say. as we , or at least I have only found out that Andy has had the problem for so long.Of course nearly all competitors at this level will sustain various injuries but they just shouldn't last for this long. Maybe after AO he should have identified and dealt with the problem then by taking a few weeks off but it's really difficult to speculate from this far!Maybe it's not the tennis but the training? I have been worried for the last few months though especially since that time when he just woke up with a very sore psoas or hip. Rafa's knees get damaged because of the way he plays and like I said before. our bodies break down for various reasons but with todays technology and resources I really believe that Andy"s superb talent is not being allowed to excel because of wrong choices regarding his physical management. I hope his team find a way to lessen Andy"s and all our frustrations!
Lesleyf - I've been reading your posts with interest - do you think (or anyone else for that matter) that Andy should be playing tournament tennis while trying to search for a possible cure for this back injury?
We are all speculating. I'm sure Andy has expert advice and unless he's told he has to have complete rest, I should think he would want to press on whilst trying to manage it, if he can. He's always spoken of the importance to him of good training sessions and fitness levels and how they translate into on-court confidence for him. So, it truly is 'a horrible place' for him to be in, especially right now.
Andy :hug:
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