View Full Version : ROLAND GARROS, R2: Andy battles his back and the Finn to win - 1'6, 6'4, 6'1, 6'2
Sallydaisy
29-05-2012, 17:10
Andy is safely through to Round 2 at Roland Garros after a straight sets win over Tatsuma Ito of Japan.
Despite a few clutches at his back and stomach he seems to be in fine fettle and assured Mark Petchey, in a brief oncourt interview, that he was physically feeling good. So that's out of the way then!
Next up is Jarkko Nieminen of Finland, WR 48 (CH ) against whom Andy has a very handy H2H (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=N289) of 3-0.
:p
The Finn has been known to give the top guys a spot of bother but it's been 2 years since they last played and during that time Andy has really consolidated his place in the top of the world rankings.
They last met at Wimbledon 2010, R64, and it was a 3sets win to Andy 6'3, 6'4, 6'2.
Prior encounters were at the Paris indoors in 2008, R32, 7'6(), 6'3 and the 2006 Canadian Masters, Quarter-Final, at which Andy dropped a set but won with a score of 6'4, 6'7(0), 6'3.
Andy won't underestimate the Finn but it would be something of a shock if he lost this match.
It'll be played on Thursday - court and time tbc.
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Andy is safely through to Round 2 at Roland Garros after a straight sets win over Tatsuma Ito of Japan.
Despite a few clutches at his back and stomach he seems to be in fine fettle and assured Mark Petchey, in a brief oncourt interview, that he was physically feeling good. So that's out of the way then!
Next up is Jarkko Nieminen of Finland, WR 48 (CH ) against whom Andy has a very handy H2H (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=N289) of 3-0.
:p
The Finn has been known to give the top guys a spot of bother but it's been 2 years since they last played and during that time Andy has really consolidated his place in the top of the world rankings.
They last met at Wimbledon 2010, R64, and it was a 3sets win to Andy 6'3, 6'4, 6'2.
Prior encounters were at the Paris indoors in 2008, R32, 7'6(), 6'3 and the 2006 Canadian Masters, Quarter-Final, at which Andy dropped a set but won with a score of 6'4, 6'7(0), 6'3.
Andy won't underestimate the Finn but it would be something of a shock if he lost this match.
It'll be played on Thursday - court and time tbc.
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Aaargh.................:cauldron:
LC the fan
29-05-2012, 18:42
Not totally convinced by Andy's despatching of the stomach problem with Petch. He once again mentioned his back. Let's hope another day's rest will do the trick - this should be a straight sets win but who knows with Andy ?
Stomach? One touch of his stomach and everyone imagines that he's got another injury? (It may be some referred pain from the back - I also have lower abdominal pain which the doc says is referred pain from my knackered sacroileac (back/hip) joint.)
I'm not sure why Petch asked him about his stomach - I don't think Andy would have admitted to a problem during the interview, even if he had one.
He did say it was a niggle though (in the interview with Petchey), rather than something that came on during the match. So obviously he's carrying more than just his back.
As said though, the Hip from last November, the back and the stomach probably are all interlinked.
LC the fan
30-05-2012, 16:24
Good Luck Andy. Last time out against Jarkko was pretty convincing but I think the Finn was more worried about his bow to the Queen at the end :rolling:
Sallydaisy
30-05-2012, 17:40
Early start for Andy in this 2nd round match; 11am local, 10am UK time.
Just heard Andy is first on tomorrow. 10am our time. :yahoo:
Early start for Andy in this 2nd round match; 11am local, 10am UK time.
Ha ha! Sally - you just beat me to it!!
excellent! I should be able to see this one!
traveller7
30-05-2012, 17:54
Good not too hot for him either :)
Will have to record this but may be able to take a sneaky peek at work :shamed:
trop tôt pour moi, pas très amusant.
trop tôt pour moi, pas très amusant.
Quel dommage.
The Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup:
As usual I am at work :grrr: Will be cheering Andy on in spirit with you all.
Roll on Wimbledon when I only have to work the first 2 days :cheer:
Best of luck, Andy:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::)
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 09:11
Woke up at 3, couldn't get back to sleep so now I'm up for Andy and Milos at 5. Shame they're on at the same time. TV is showing Andy, hopefully I can get a ls of Milos.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:12
Andy on court looking relaxed; he's probably liking the fresher conditions this morning!!! Not many people courtside just yet on Phillippe Chatrier - and it was even quieter for Andy's practice session.
Neil Harman @NeilHarmanTimes (https://twitter.com/#!/NeilHarmanTimes)
Bit of a gloomy old morning in Paris but expecting Andy Murray to brighten our lives and really hoping Heather Watson can do likewise later
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Chat with coach Lendl this morning. Very proud his daughter Isabel shot 73, 73 to be 3rd in Connecticut Open. A chip off the old block
[URL="https://twitter.com/#!/5livetennis"]Jonathan Overend @5livetennis (https://twitter.com/#!/NeilHarmanTimes)
Ivan Lendl rocking Paris fashion week http://pic.twitter.com/23sY08ND (http://t.co/23sY08ND)
Lendl's practice session outfit: long sleeved red sweatshirt, massive black #shorts (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23shorts) .
Good hit, Murray ready for Nieminen.
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Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:22
Eeep! An early sofa moment as Andy goes *15-40 in his first service game!
Back to *30-40 now and deuce so he's saved both bp's.
Oh no. What's wrong with Andy??
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:27
Nieminen breaks and is serving at *2-0.
Andy casting some anxious glances to his team according to Mark Petchey and Jim Courier and borne out by this tweet from Neil Harman.
(https://twitter.com/#%21/NeilHarmanTimes) Murray doesn't look happy at all it here. Long, long looks to his box where Lendl, as ever, stoic
Hate to say it but I really don't think Andy looks good out there!.........it's early, but we will see!!
Is it his back again? I'm gutted for him. And us.
Trainer on..........Andy does not look good at all!
Please Andy just retire, so awful to see!!!
Poor Andy. He should retire and get better for Wimbledon and the Olympics surely?
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:36
The way he's playing I can't see him getting through this match.
He hit a 114mph first serve in that last game.
Trainer now on for a 3minute timeout - but this is only the first game. If he can't get moving properly he's got to stop playing and get time off before Queens/Wimbledon.
Oh no!!!!! This is not what I want to hear when I log in for a quick check on the score from work!!
Poor Andy! I soooo hope he will be fit for Wimby and Olympics! This seems to have been going on for ages :(
I admire his sportsmanship but he should quit, recover and save himself for our grass season where his chance of success is high. Oh Andy.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:42
Andy breaks back! Unbelievable since all he could do was stand and hit return winners.
Nice exchange though at the net at the end with Andy winning out.
*1-4.
Courier saying he shouldn't risk this any longer ...... but we know Andy is stubborn.
Jim Courier is talking such good sense.
Got to go away from computer now so will check back at lunch time .... very apprehensively. Hope Andy doesn't do himself more damage trying to play.
Perhaps he'll retire after the first set.
Amazingly he's doing some great shots!
as Petch just said - great ball striking if the shot comes to the right place for him, but no movement.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:50
Nieminen takes the first set 6'1.
I'm just surprised we didn't see a handshake there but Andy seems to have decided to carry on.
So worried for him.
:sad:
dewster99
31-05-2012, 09:51
imagine if he played like this when he was fully fit!! Why continue? There's no reason to
I don't think I have the stomach to watch any more, coward that I am. It's so horrid watching your hero in agony.
Andy has a lot of good qualities and pride is one of them......I wouldn't be surprised if he plays the whole match even though we think he shouldn't!!
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 09:53
Help! What's going on - I missed the beginning of this, and couldn't believe the scoreline when I switched on a few minutes ago!
Is it the back again...?
Also, it's not fair on Jarkko.....what must he be thinking having to carry on playing against an injured opponent?
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 09:58
imagine if he played like this when he was fully fit!! Why continue? There's no reason to
He's such a stubborn blighter!!!
Can only think that he's had a similar problem in practice and found that continuing will eventually loosen up the back.
Andy is trying to keep the points short and as a result is using his shot-making skills to his best advantage.
Not enough though - Nieminen holds and Andy now serves at *0-2 in the 2nd set.
Maybe he's thinking back to last year when he won that match virtually on one leg. But this does seem to be a different kettle of fish altogether.
Come on Andy......just listen to what Jim Courier is saying!!
Maybe Andy would rather lose a match than retire, who knows how he is thinking....that's Andy!!
he really doesn't like to retire - and as various people have said, he is very stubborn - which is often good, but I'm not sure it is in this case.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:05
A bit more pop on Andy's shots now.
Nieminen holds again and Andy is serving at *1-3 in the 2nd set.
The serve looks a bit better ...
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 10:06
Come on Andy you've got to get off that court. This is just ridiculous.
Permission to say AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
If we knew what it was EXACTLY that was troubling him, we could all form opinions on what he should do. But I haven't got a clue what the right call is here. Surely he's not this stupid to play on if its going to ruin the Wimbledon double header?
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:08
Well, Andy holds and, as the commentators have said, only he knows if he's OK to carry on or not.
Nieminen to serve next - 6'1, *3'2.
His his back loosening up a bit? I have to admit he is quite a trouper!
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 10:11
This was why myself and others and are were concerned about Andy playing this tournament. From 2nd hand experience I know the back isn't something you mess around with. Problem up the nerves in my spine has kept me out of competitive sport for over 3 years. Maybe Andy can win this match if he continues but at what cost? Much more signifiant events on the horizon for Andy. Really don't see the logic in what he is doing today?
Commies saying Andy's never retired at tour level (just once to Malisse in a Challenger) - but what about the time he did his wrist in - surely he must have retired then? I can't remember.
I need a strong black coffee !! :cuppa:
HoopGirl
31-05-2012, 10:15
Common Andy :) you can do this
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 10:16
Commies saying Andy's never retired at tour level (just once to Malisse in a Challenger) - but what about the time he did his wrist in - surely he must have retired then? I can't remember.
Yea I recall that against Volandri in Hamburg or somewhere like that? Pretty sure he retired from that one. Regardless awful reasoning if that is indeed the reason why he's sticking this out.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:16
Commies saying Andy's never retired at tour level (just once to Malisse in a Challenger) - but what about the time he did his wrist in - surely he must have retired then? I can't remember.
Yes, it was 15 May 2007 – Andy retired with an injured right wrist Tuesday while leading Italy's Filippo Volandri 5-1 in the first round in Hamburg.
HoopGirl
31-05-2012, 10:19
Yes 4 3
Yes, it was 15 May 2007 – Andy retired with an injured right wrist Tuesday while leading Italy's Filippo Volandri 5-1 in the first round in Hamburg.
thanks Sally - I thought that must have been the case.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:24
Andy has just broken back and it's on serve in the 2nd at 4-4.
Our braveheart is battling on.
:pierre:
HoopGirl
31-05-2012, 10:24
Awsome :)
dewster99
31-05-2012, 10:28
even if this is passing and he gets through, what about the next round, and the next round?
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:28
Andy just saved a breakpoint with some big hitting (although he'd served a DF to give the bp opportunity).
Another DF again to give the Finn another breakpoint.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:30
What a dropper from that angle :clap:
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:31
Deuce after stunning shots from Andy. But Nieminen playing hard again and gets to Ad, then hits long and back to deuce. Advantage Murray ...
Needs a good serve to shorten the points ...
Andy holds for 5-4 and a break next could win him the 2nd set.
Much as I'd love Andy to win, I do so hope he knows what he's doing and isn't heaping up problems for the grass court season.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:34
Glorious lob - wow!! 3 BPs :big grin:
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:34
Not that I'm complaining but Nieminen isn't perhaps taking advantage of Andy's restricted movement on court.
Others would.
A fantastic lob from Andy brings up 3 set points against the Finn's serve.
Jarkko must be thinking he's got one of the gods as an opponent!
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:35
1 set all.
Remarkable, gutsy play from Andy.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:37
Brilliant stuff! One set apiece :clap:
Andy still looks like he's moving awkwardly as he goes back to his seat, but it doesn't seem to be hampering him as much during play now - pure willpower!
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:40
Comment from Courier "Nieminen is mentally in the toilet right now".
:lol:
Still not sure I'm happy about Andy continuing but have to assume he's checked he wouldn't do more harm by carrying on and I just hope playing on isn't going to screw up his chances for Wimbledon and the Olympics.
dewster99
31-05-2012, 10:43
just put this on facebook:
if anyone ever wanted a reason to warm to Andy Murray it's right now! An hour ago the guy could barely move, everyone was telling him to walk off the court. He's just levelled the match against top player and looks on top. He's all on his own out there, no coaches, no advice. Wouldn't see anything like this is football or other sports, what a warrior!
Surely Andy will have mentally weighed up all the pros and cons about continuing and whether he would be compromising his future potential successes? He must know his own body better than anyone.
LC the fan
31-05-2012, 10:44
I really think he should have come off, but we have to be so proud of him. Not only has he carried on, but he's used all his tennis know-how to outwit his opponent under very negative circumstances. He has played his limited game so well.
What harm will it do in the longer term ???? Who knows ? Does Andy ? But he obviously felt that it was going to loosen up a bit
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:44
Well Courier certainly thinks he should stop, but I don't think Andy's mind works that way - he doesn't give up unless he's forced to, and I admire him for that - but I am worried about Wimbledon & the Olympics!
LC the fan
31-05-2012, 10:46
The olympics are Andy's main aim this year - surely he wont jeopordise that for the French Open. He must think/know that his back can cope with it
I wonder where you can get some of that magic cream the trainer rubbed into Andy's back? Sure could do with some when I've been gardening!!
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 10:47
Well Courier certainly thinks he should stop, but I don't think Andy's mind works that way - he doesn't give up unless he's forced to, and I admire him for that - but I am worried about Wimbledon & the Olympics!
All the commies thought the same ... and Nieminen must have been waiting for Andy to call it a day.
Now 'oor Muzzah is ahead in this match and holding his serve now would help cement that lead.
Stunning stunning backhand from Andy to cross Jarkko.
Such talent.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:48
Wow!! How fantastic was that - what a player he is :clap:
Golden Lady
31-05-2012, 10:50
Andy calling on his pure skill and talent. What a player he is!
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:50
A tough hold, and an important one - very gutsy again!
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 10:51
Patrick McEnroe is a MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slagging Andy off for pretending to be injured. Then had to backtrack when the trainer came out. Eejit.
jamie&andy's fan
31-05-2012, 10:51
Well done Andy :):)
Annabel Croft referring to it as 'Antics' and 'feels for jarkko'
Prats one and all.
This is basically the sequel to last years french though isn't it.
MENTAL.
Patrick McEnroe is a MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Slagging Andy off for pretending to be injured. Then had to backtrack when the trainer came out. Eejit.
Great commentary on ITV4 Roast Lamb, but you won't get that in Canada of course! Jim Courrier is a fantastic commie.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 10:54
Annabel Croft referring to it as 'Antics' and 'feels for jarkko'.
Good grief! How ridiculous....! I don't know how she can get away with saying things like that, when it's clearly rubbish - ok she's allowed her own opinion, but that is utter nonsense :grrr:
I'm not sure I can quite believe what I'm seeing! Was resigned to Andy retiring/losing. Of course he still might, but he's doing so well at the moment.
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 11:00
Great commentary on ITV4 Roast Lamb, but you won't get that in Canada of course! Jim Courrier is a fantastic commie.
We have ESPN and if Brad or Darren are commentating it's great but not today.
Andy is magic. Just magic.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:05
3rd set to Andy 6'1.
:clap:
Unbelievable really when you think how down and out he looked an hour ago.
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 11:05
Really amazing. Kudos to him for hanging in there. Just hope it's not doing any longlasting damage to his back.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:07
This is genuinely awesome - in the true sense of the word. Ok, Jarkko has gone completely walkabout mentally, but Andy is producing some wonderful gutsy tennis...!
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:11
As much as I appreciate Andy's valiant efforts here I agree with Jim Courier 100%.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:12
Andy breaks Jarkko in the first game of the 4th set.
Serving next *1-0.
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:17
Nieminen must be sick of the sight of Murray by now.
assuming Andy wins this, he's going to put himself through this all over again in the next round - his opponent would be Giraldo, who's just beaten Tomic.
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 11:21
Nieminen must be sick of the sight of Murray by now.
I know, if he can't beat Andy when he's injured what does that say!!!
david1610
31-05-2012, 11:21
Just read through this - missed the first two sets. Not sure what to say really. He is determined to play through this, so just hope he wins as quickly as possible.
C'mon Andy!
LC the fan
31-05-2012, 11:21
I just think he's gone about this so cannily. Whatever the outcome we must all be so proud of him.
Pure Stubborn, Pure Genius
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:23
assuming Andy wins this, he's going to put himself through this all over again in the next round - his opponent would be Giraldo, who's just beaten Tomic.
Then Ferrer potentially in the quarter finals, then Nadal in the semi finals. Just seems really daft playing through the pain and jeopardising more significant opportunities int he future. Perhaps Andy thinks he can win Rolland Garros?
Wonderful things being said about Andy by Mark Petchey and Jim Courier.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:24
Good grief! How ridiculous....! I don't know how she can get away with saying things like that, when it's clearly rubbish - ok she's allowed her own opinion, but that is utter nonsense :grrr:
But Federcroft spoke this openly on Radio 5 Live and it's posted on the BBC webpage 'as it happens'
Annabel Croft, BBC Radio 5 live"I feel a bit for Nieminen and what he has had to deal with in terms of Murray's antics. He must have thought Murray was going to walk up and shake hands. He must have thought he was through to the third round."
They've posted more of her comments:
"Murray doesn't look right, he doesn't look like an energised athlete who is ready to go all the way, but we've seen this before and shouldn't underestimate him. He looks exhausted already, clutching at the back of his thigh. I don't know whether he's injured or is going to get the trainer out - you would assume he's in pain."
"I can't think of any other situation when a player would continue. He can't play at 50%, never mind 100%. Carrying on can't be good for his back or for him generally but maybe he still thinks that he can win this game."
"I can see Murray coming through this match now, as bizarre as it sounds. You wouldn't think there's too much wrong now, he's actually in the rallies and playing good tennis again. It's confusing what's going on - we're almost back to full pace again - and he's moving much more smoothly around the court."
"I'd love to go to the post-match press conference and see what Murray has to say. It was one of the most bizarre situations I've ever seen in that first set. I am really confused."
RoastLamb
31-05-2012, 11:27
Then Ferrer potentially in the quarter finals, then Nadal in the semi finals. Just seems really daft playing through the pain and jeopardising more significant opportunities int he future. Perhaps Andy thinks he can win Rolland Garros?
But he has a ton of points to defend.
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:27
You can sort of see what Croft is saying, I mean lets face it if I've been brutally honest if I was Nieminem right now I'd be raging. I'd be teetering on the edge of marching over that net and beating Andy with my tennis racquet. Like Courier and Petch also said in a way Nieminem has been suckered by Andy here.
Wonderful things being said about Andy by Mark Petchey and Jim Courier.
yes - I especially like Mark Petchey - and the fact that he knows Andy well helps. He really seems to enjoy watching Andy play, but manages not to go OTT.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:31
You can sort of see what Croft is saying, I mean lets face it if I've been brutally honest if I was Nieminem right now I'd be raging. I'd be teetering on the edge of marching over that net and beating Andy with my tennis racquet. Like Courier and Petch also said in a way Nieminem has been suckered by Andy here.
Maybe. Have to say though that it's been up to Jarkko to not be distracted by what goes on the other end of the court; players get injured/need treatment regularly and whilst it's difficult it's part of being a pro' to not let it affect your own game. Yep, the Finn could rightly think Andy has 'suckered' him but I don't think anyone could doubt the pain Andy was in during the first set of this match.
Have been peeking in and out from work. Must admit I was for him retiring half way through that first set. But backs are funny things. Mr P not infrequently gets up in the morning half bent over but his back loosens up as the morning wears on and he can go off and happily play golf with no further ill effects. If any of you have read Agassi's bio, you'll know that he has a crippling back condition and he had to play through it and the pain throughout his career. Maybe Andy is trying to get used to his back situation (at worst) or at best maybe he's just not making it any worse but is at least defending his points.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:35
But Federcroft spoke this openly on Radio 5 Live and it's posted on the BBC webpage 'as it happens'.
Errr...yes...I meant that what she was saying was rubbish, I wasn't suggesting she didn't say it :confused:
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:35
Well, a double-fault from Jarkko hands Andy another break and he'll come out to serve for the match, after the break, at *5-2 in the 4th.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:36
Errr...yes...I meant that what she was saying was rubbish, I wasn't suggesting she didn't say it :confused:
Yes, I know! The 'but' to begin wasn't indicating I doubted you!
And I agree that what she said was rubbish. Just wanted to post it in here for others to see.
:thumbup:
Let's go Andy........see it out now :)
Wonderful wonderful Andy!!!
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:38
Yep, the Finn could rightly think Andy has 'suckered' him but I don't think anyone could doubt the pain Andy was in during the first set of this match.
Exactly. And it was hardly intentional - surely neither Annabel Croft nor anyone else can be suggesting that Andy dropped the first set 6-1 on purpose just to put his opponent off ;)
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:38
:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
How he did that I do not know - but he's through to the 3rd round at Roland Garros.
Well done, Andy:cheer::cheer::cheer::clap::clap::clap:
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:39
Amazing - the sheer determination from Andy was wonderful to see :yahoo:
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:39
That must have been worse than water torture for Jarkko.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:40
Yes, I know! The 'but' to begin wasn't indicating I doubted you!
Yep - it was the 'but' that confused me :)
A cliche but never been so appropriate "BRAVEHEART" :worship:
There is indeed only one Andy Murray. :cheer:
Unbelievably brave.
jamie&andy's fan
31-05-2012, 11:42
It really shows he truely has passion for tennis ..Well done Andy !!
His interview confirms it all. He's still hurting and seems quite emotional about it. Bless him. He's our champ!
david1610
31-05-2012, 11:43
Well done Andy. You know at what cost that came about.
My only worry now is that we know Andy is stubborn, but stubborn and sensible rarely go together.
What can be said is Andy Ireland's services are more important than ever at the moment.
PS Did not see interview (out of UK). What did Andy say?
Sheer grit & determination, so very proud of you Andy..............Bravo!!!!:thumbup:
HoopGirl
31-05-2012, 11:44
Amazing - just tuned in on Five Live for the latter part of the match.
Sounded awful. Poor Andy - how did he pull it around??
Not a very sympathetic account from Croft and Overend about his on court behaviour.
I know Croft has a problem with Andy but it sounds like Over end has too.
KnightOwl
31-05-2012, 11:44
His interview confirms it all. He's still hurting and seems quite emotional about it. Bless him. He's our champ!
Interesting that he said "the guys" wanted him to stop - but Andy makes his own decision, as always :big grin:
DaveArneRiise
31-05-2012, 11:44
Exactly. And it was hardly intentional - surely neither Annabel Croft nor anyone else can be suggesting that Andy dropped the first set 6-1 on purpose just to put his opponent off ;)
What would compound the misery for Jarkko is if Andy withdraws from his match against Giraldo handing the Columbian a walk over.
Not sure whether I shall be looking forward to his next match though. I think I'd rather that he got fully fit for Queens, Wimbledon and the Olympics.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:46
Exactly. And it was hardly intentional - surely neither Annabel Croft nor anyone else can be suggesting that Andy dropped the first set 6-1 on purpose just to put his opponent off ;)
Unfortunately, that seems to be exactly what Federcroft is suggesting - and she does it on live Radio for all to hear which I think is despicable. I wish she'd just give Andy some credit for being genuine - but that seems to be beyond her. Bit disappointed if Jon Overend is sucked into doing the same - he surely knows Andy better than that.
Overend listed all previous matches where Andy has played when being injured/ill including back to Wimbledon against Nalbandian and then finished with "you make up your own mind why he does it". Their cynicism and lack of respect is dreadful, it's because of Andy that many of them are in gainful employment.
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 11:51
Lol, they're talking about Andy getting treatment and after a shot of him lying on his stomach John Inverdale said "he looked like a bit of roadkill out there".........
:)
Lol, they're talking about Andy getting treatment and after a shot of him lying on his stomach John Inverdale said "he looked like a bit of roadkill out there".........
:)
Ha ha! Yes, that made me howl with laughter.....road kill that really needed finishing off....he said. Painted a very vivid picture. But Andy is a magic, as I've already said! <3
patmoren
31-05-2012, 11:55
They weren't like that on ITV commentary. Amazed at what Andy was doing and hoping he wasn't going to cause himself lasting damage. Jim Courier has had the same problem and wishes that Andy would stop and give himself a chance for Queens and Wimbledon but said at the end of the day it is Andy decision.
well I think I'm pleased that Andy won - sounds strange to say that! Just hope he hasn't done too much damage.
Thanks ITV for a brilliant commentary.
:hug:' Bye everyone and thanks for chivvying us all along in a rather heart-in-mouth match. With trepidation I shall be on the Forum next time. Let's hope and pray Andy is OK.
Golden Lady
31-05-2012, 12:12
Wow, don't know what to think or what to say so I'll just say well done Andy and whatever you decide for Saturday, I'll be with you all the way! :clap::cheer:
LC the fan
31-05-2012, 12:14
Well done Andy. You know at what cost that came about.
My only worry now is that we know Andy is stubborn, but stubborn and sensible rarely go together.
What can be said is Andy Ireland's services are more important than ever at the moment.
PS Did not see interview (out of UK). What did Andy say?
He was very emotional, admitted that his corner had suggested he come off at the end of the first set. He agreed that
he didnt know himself how he won it. He started to loosen up just as Jarko was beginning to lose his concentration and that kept him going.
It apparently had been bad in morning practice and even during the knock-up he felt he couldn't put weight on his left leg. Jim Courier said he was serving like a geriatric. Unfortunately he also said that it still felt very bad when the adrenalin must still have been pumping.
Lets hope he has done no damage
JAMES4578
31-05-2012, 12:24
Mixed emotions for me, whilst on the one hand Andy was go gutsy in coming through the match and deserves so much credit just wonder if it was the wisest decision. However, it was Andy's call to make and I respect his decision. As it turned out I was unable to witness the drama, must must have been a bit distressing at times.
LC the fan
31-05-2012, 12:38
It sure was !! Cant help thinking that we may not see him on saturday. The only possible reason would be to try to keep as many ranking points as possible. Unless his back can make an unbelievable recovery I cant see that he can get past David Ferrer let alone Rafa.
Love goes out to him :grouphug:
Some older posters may remember "From a Jack to a King", an old country classic
From a Jap to a Finn
One easy, one miraculous win
All our respect is due to him
But maybe now he'll rest
Seemed so hurt and dazed
But then the commentators were amazed
His fighting spirit should be praised
He passed a gruelling test
For the back is the thing
An injury that's lingering
And future hopes endangering
Let's hope he'll do what's best
Silver, I love your poems :thumbup:
What a match!
My take is that Andy believes that his back problem can be 'managed' - and having seen the outcome of this match you have to say there's some foundation to his belief. [well, against someone like Niemenen]
The comms were saying why do it when he'll probably not win the whole thing etc; but I wonder if trying to add another consecutive semi might be Andy's motivation right now (as well as not losing a number of his ranking points).
Yes, the decision is his, but he takes his tennis career very seriously and has expert advice to hand.
Hope he can continue, since it obviously means so much to him. Fingers crossed.
Ferrer, nevermind Nadal, is two more matches away.
I think its become clear that its more a muscular pain than anything else which is cramping and spasming (right?).
Surely he couldn't have got through the match had it been something to do with a disc etc.
If he can just feel loose enough to get out there, play more lights out tennis (37 winners), he perhaps could make it through the third, and perhaps fourth rounds.
Last year was obviously different, but in my eyes, snapped ankle ligaments are just as worrying as a bad back. But he managed it through the french, played 3 more matches after the injury, and by Queens, he was back to his best. I can imagine thats what he's trying to reason with himself, that he can manage this injury again. But with the added Olympics this summer, I think we might well see him bomb at one of those events to come.
Make the quarter finals and its damage limitation pretty much done with regards to points, he'll only lose 360 as opposed to practically the whole lot if he'd lost today. Still kind of wishing he'd pulled out today, but its his call.
As for Niemenen, and feeling 'sorry'? Stuff him, he's a professional, he should have dealt with it. Flatman, Croft, Overend and P. McEnroe said some pretty pathetic things today, but whats new?
traveller7
31-05-2012, 13:17
I dont know what to think, i admire his stubborness for carrying on and winning just hope the damage hasnt got worse.
Loved the commentary on ITV4 again, Petchy was adament that andy must of known what he was doing after losing 1st set and being in such pain, he said something along the lines of that the pain must go after 40 mins or so because otherwise I am sure Andy wouldnt carry on and lo and behold after about 40 mins Andy improved and went on to win.
Petchy and Courier for Wimbledon I reckon!
Croft is an idiot - it's obvious that she has never suffered severe back pain or she wouldn't have made such ludicrous comments. It rates up there with Wade's suggestion last year that Andy's ankle injury was pyshcosomatic. Thank heavens for the ITV coverage! As far as Niemenen is concerned, he is a professional tennis player for goodness sake - he should have finished Andy off when he had the chance - it's ridiculous to say that Andy 'suckered' him into losing. He was presented with a gift wrapped chance to beat a top four player and he blew it - no sympathy from me! Well fought Andy and good luck whether or not you choose to continue.
tweet from Neil Harman
"AM says that spasm he felt today is not the same as back injury that's beset him for a while. He was a few points from quitting though"
tweet from Neil Harman
"AM says that spasm he felt today is not the same as back injury that's beset him for a while. He was a few points from quitting though"
That sounds even more worrying to me.
Croft is an idiot - it's obvious that she has never suffered severe back pain or she wouldn't have made such ludicrous comments. It rates up there with Wade's suggestion last year that Andy's ankle injury was pyshcosomatic. Thank heavens for the ITV coverage! As far as Niemenen is concerned, he is a professional tennis player for goodness sake - he should have finished Andy off when he had the chance - it's ridiculous to say that Andy 'suckered' him into losing. He was presented with a gift wrapped chance to beat a top four player and he blew it - no sympathy from me! Well fought Andy and good luck whether or not you choose to continue.
Couldn't of said it better myself!!!!:thumbup:
Sallydaisy
31-05-2012, 14:45
No sign yet of a transcript of Andy's presser but here's what the British journo's have tweeted so far and it's probably as close we'll get until their reports appear in their various publications. They are not in chronological order.
Barry Flatman
Murray takes 2 hrs before press conference. Then says: "I didn't find it that satisfying but couldn't believe I won." Murray admits he was a few points from stopping but insists he was not concerned about risks of injury for Wimby and the Olympics
ChrisClarey
Murray said he has no intention of withdrawing from #FrenchOpen (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23FrenchOpen) with his back problem
Andy Murray says medical advice so far has reassured him that he is not damaging chances at Wimbledon or #Olympics (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Olympics) in London #RG12 (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23RG12)
Neil Harman
AM says that spasm he felt today is not the same as back injury that's beset him for a while. He was a few points from quitting though
JonOverend
"I was zoned out, gone mentally" Murray tells BBC Sport (Back muscle spasm). "I couldn't serve as I couldn't put weight on my left leg". "I was just looking at the ground, didn't know what to think" says Murray. "They [coaching team] didn't really want me to keep going".
(comments from twitter)
That sounds even more worrying to me.
back spasms are quite common after suffering a back injury Alis. Alot of the time they are in a totally different area from the initial injury.
back spasms are quite common after suffering a back injury Alis. Alot of the time they are in a totally different area from the initial injury.
Does that mean that the spasm is more or less likely to recur ljs?
So many knee-jerkers on here today...
Annabel Croft on Five Live had to be heard to be believed.
Annabel Croft is just an absolute pain. Can't stand her and her hero worship of Federer is absolutely sickening.
Does that mean that the spasm is more or less likely to recur ljs?
hard to say , back spasms are really odd things . They can move around as well , and like I said , can disappear quickly with the right excercise , stretching , meds etc.
Im sure Andys team know exactly what to do for him ,
My osteopath told me that if you have a neck or back problem, it can lead to problems elsewhere. I once had a neck problem and started getting lower back problems as a result.
Maza1987
31-05-2012, 17:34
I'm just hoping Andy can make progress.
If he can go deep without further hurting himself he can go along way to defend his ranking points.
david1610
31-05-2012, 18:21
As a general comment, a cynical colleague once defended his lack of sporting activity by saying doing sport was very unhealthy. Of course you can argue that, but it has to be said that playing a sport professionally certainly seems to mean pushing your body to a point where it is very easy to pick up injuries through practising that sport. It is a bit ironic.
I just hope this is not a tip of an iceberg, that Andy has a small, manageable problem.
Reading through the reports and this thread I'm partially glad I didn't watch the match as I would be a bundle of nerves! Good that Andy had the willpower to make it through but really hoping he'll be ok for the rest of the tournament and the near future.
Me too David!! There are though (at least) a couple of different issues going on here. The way he deals with injury (pain meds, rehab and corrective exercises) and the way he prevents it constantly getting aggravated (correct training). If he does any kind of rotational training without pelvic stability ie: on one leg or in lunge position etc. then unfortunately it's not going to get better fast. There are some really, really good experts out there so let's hope he knows one or two?
I have expressed my fears previously about the WHOLE management of Andy's body and still pray (every night!!!!) that his guys will get it as good as they can in the fastest possible time. Like all on here I want our boy to be the healthiest, happiest and best player that he can be and if that doesn't happen then I will be as dissapointed as everyone else. GET IT RIGHT TEAM!!!!!
As a general comment, a cynical colleague once defended his lack of sporting activity by saying doing sport was very unhealthy. Of course you can argue that, but it has to be said that playing a sport professionally certainly seems to mean pushing your body to a point where it is very easy to pick up injuries through practising that sport. It is a bit ironic.
I just hope this is not a tip of an iceberg, that Andy has a small, manageable problem.
I couldn't watch the match as I was at work - I was just taking the occasional look at livescores. First time I looked, he was a break down. OK, no need to worry, it's only one break. Second time I looked he'd lost the first set 1-6 and was a break down in the second. I then realised that he must be injured and expected him to lose or retire. I was amazed next time I looked to see that he had levelled the match. Very well done to Andy for winning after that disastrous start. Maybe his painkilling injection hadn't yet taken effect when he started playing? Anyway, I guess as long as he's been advised that he's not doing any damage, he'll keep going to get as far as he can, so as to lose as few ranking points as possible.
This is what Ljubicic said in a quote from Overend's blog - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2012/05/murray_brilliant_lucky_and_sti.html
And as Ivan Ljubicic, the recently retired world number three, told me later in the day, chances were that it was only going to improve as the match went on. The decision to play and the decision to keep playing, Ljubicic thinks, was absolutely correct.
"Back spasm is something that hurts, something that prevents you from giving your best, but it's also the kind of injury that only gets better," he said. "I'm sure in the next round he's going to feel a lot better, so the big scare was today."
Ljubicic's words make me feel a bit more optimistic. I just hope it does get better quickly and he's fine for the grass court season
On the other hand, Andy showed immense guts and determination! So proud of him. Inspirational!
MurrayAOne
31-05-2012, 21:48
Good old Ljubicic!!! Great to read that!
I'm frankly amazed if Llubicic has said that. He's said some very nasty things about other players, accusing them of pretending injuries, and provoking some equally damning responses from those accused.
Was very relieved to read in Andy's post match presser that this problem was entirely separate from his back problem and was, he thought, due to having slept in an awkward position. If that's the case he did the right thing to carry on and hopefully that's that, onwards and somewherewards!
david1610
31-05-2012, 23:57
I'm frankly amazed if Llubicic has said that. He's said some very nasty things about other players, accusing them of pretending injuries, and provoking some equally damning responses from those accused.
What goes around comes around....
I have memories of Llubicic stating that he was a bit surprised when Andy first played him and that Andy at the end thanked him for the match and was courteous and respectful. At first he thought it might be some kind of wind-up, then he realised Andy was an extremely courteous and respectful upcoming tennis player.
Sometimes our peers are the ones who judge us most fairly as of course they empathise better than anyone.
I didn't see the match as I was working but I was on here at the beginning and assumed he would pull out so I was totally amazed to learn that he had won!
What an absolute gutsy performance from our boy .... so proud to be an Andy fan. Whatever we think about whether or not he should have continued, what he did was truly amazing!!
I hope Ljubicic is right and that it will improve quickly and what Andy says is right that it is not connected to the back injury he was still battling in Rome.
I do kind of agree that if he is doing no further damage, he should continue, this is a GS after all and he has semi points to defend as others have said. I think he should pull out of Queens if he needs to (sorry to those going!). He has always said he finds the change from clay to grass easy so that shouldn't be too much of a problem for him as long as he is able to prectice on grass before Wimby.
DaveArneRiise
01-06-2012, 11:30
Croft is an idiot - it's obvious that she has never suffered severe back pain or she wouldn't have made such ludicrous comments. It rates up there with Wade's suggestion last year that Andy's ankle injury was pyshcosomatic. Thank heavens for the ITV coverage! As far as Niemenen is concerned, he is a professional tennis player for goodness sake - he should have finished Andy off when he had the chance - it's ridiculous to say that Andy 'suckered' him into losing. He was presented with a gift wrapped chance to beat a top four player and he blew it - no sympathy from me! Well fought Andy and good luck whether or not you choose to continue.
You're right, but let's not pretend that gamesmanship doesn't go on in the game today. As it does, but that's part and parcel of the game of tennis. I'd like to see more of it if I'm being honest.
traveller7
01-06-2012, 11:37
I see some of the papers today havent been quite as kind
Sallydaisy
01-06-2012, 11:42
Some snippets from Mark Petchey on twitter (to forum member Xenon21).
I've edited slightly to break up the tweets into sentences proper.
Mark Petchey @markpetchey (https://twitter.com/#!/markpetchey) @xenon21 (https://twitter.com/#!/xenon21)
Andy will never win.
A sport blessed with some of the greatest players of all time but perhaps slightly devoid of a lot of true Characters like we have had previously.
Andy is both yet the scrutiny he suffers is unjust in my eyes.
No ones perfect and I would rather He were as he was than what potentially the future holds for British tennis.
We will be looking in the rear view mirror asking ourselves did We really appreciate his time entertaining us or did we spend too much time looking for the flaws that each of us have in our personalities But are not held under the constant glare of the microscope.
We can all be better and would do well to remember that.
Zainab Walji @xenon21 (https://twitter.com/#!/xenon21)
@markpetchey (https://twitter.com/#!/markpetchey) thank god for you and Jim, the voices of reason yesterday to keep us sane! Any idea how Andy's back is today? Hope he's better
Mark Petchey @markpetchey (https://twitter.com/#!/markpetchey)
@xenon21 (https://twitter.com/#!/xenon21) I know how it was last night but not today yet but I will be honest even if I do know I won't be posting it on here #privacy (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23privacy)
DaveArneRiise
01-06-2012, 11:43
I see some of the papers today havent been quite as kind
Papers being controversial in order to try and sell stories shocker :rolleyes:
Annabel Croft is just an absolute pain. Can't stand her and her hero worship of Federer is absolutely sickening.
Could not have put it better myself. I wish her tongue would go into spasm, that would shut her up.
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