View Full Version : ROLAND GARROS, QTR-FINAL: Andy falls to Ferrer who wins 6'4, 6'7, 6'3, 6'2
david1610
06-06-2012, 18:58
I have given Andy leeway in the "be more aggressive/play your game argument" but on clay against the best he has to go for winners on BPs as he is not going to get UEs very often out of the best.
He seemed to be trying to play through Daveed with his forehand. 50% of that and 50% backhand cross to mid court low slice would have made a big difference.
Actually it is not the end of the world to lose but... another SF would have sent a message to those just below him - it is not all about aiming higher. He also has to be reminding people of his class.
But at least clay is over for another year!!!
traveller7
06-06-2012, 19:00
I thought Andys mental attitude was pretty good actually for the main part, which i touched on earlier.
In set 1 he was losing 5-1 and so many times Ive seen him slump, shoulders down berating himself but he didnt and ok he lost the set but 6-4 not 6-1 which is an improvement surely?
I will leave the cyncisim and hate for the media, he still is no 1 in my book.
I hope as Madeleine says he is in a transition period.
Virginia Wade says he was looking at his team all the time - I thought he was very composed for the main - what do the rest of you think?on a side not llendl is a miserable looking git, seems all andys coaches share the same trait i the box :p
From Andy's press conference
"The 4 best clay courters in th world (in semis) & whoever plays the best in the matches will win. You'd prob favour Rafa slightly."
"I think it was a good tournament for me, coming in I wasn't feeling as good as I did last year."
"Like I say, I believe I lost to a better claycourt player than me tonight. I need to work on some things in my claycourt game."
"I'll need to put some work in before Wimbledon, getting out of breath after some of the longer rallies."
I have given Andy leeway in the "be more aggressive/play your game argument" but on clay against the best he has to go for winners on BPs as he is not going to get UEs very often out of the best.
He seemed to be trying to play through Daveed with his forehand. 50% of that and 50% backhand cross to mid court low slice would have made a big difference.
Actually it is not the end of the world to lose but... another SF would have sent a message to those just below him - it is not all about aiming higher. He also has to be reminding people of his class.
But at least clay is over for another year!!!first semi final missed in a slam in what the last 6? not a bad record
RoastLamb
06-06-2012, 19:01
I hated seeing Andy's former p/t coach, Alex Corretja, cheering on Ferru.
Golden Lady
06-06-2012, 19:01
i havnt been on twitter but i bet i could name the numpties
You certainly could Jay, no prizes for guessing. Makes me so :grrr:
Petchey was right, he definitely could have won today. It was a shame that he was battling his own game as much as Ferrer's. Too attack consistently, you need to be inside the court, not a meter back, which Andy kept slipping into. His serve continues to fail him and he struggled at times at the net. It's a real shame, but i'm not to disheartened. If he'd won, it would probably have been one of his top 5 wins for me, so when you look at it from that perspective, theres no point getting to worked up over it.
If he can learn to dictate on the baseline or even further up the court, his aggressive game will improve. But if he continues to gradually fall back into the court, (something which is probably just second nature to him rather than it being a conscious decision) then he'll struggle to win these matches. Ferrer played great though, just relentless. As frustrating as it was all those times Andy broke and then was broken back immediately, credit to his opponent for being THAT good.
I would have liked him to have played Nadal, it would have meant he'd defended his points, and he'd have had nothing to lose, and he'll have been able to try and not make the mistakes he made against him last time. But a few extra days to practice on the grass, and discuss what went wrong will be important for him. Had this been Wimbledon or elsewhere, I might have been more critical, but then, he wouldn't have lost to Ferrer on any other surface, would he?
P.S. I may have come across a little more critical than I thought there, but I do think Andy played well today, some wonderfully constructed points, and that forehand has more ability than it ever has had, it just needs consistency, because today It felt like he was going to miss 30-40% of them. Lendl is definitely improving things, Andy's attitude was spot on, his criticism was constructive and frankly correct every time. I just wish Ivan came a couple of years ago when he had that first nightmare after Australia, because Andy's battled so many demons since then. But progress is being made, and with it will come frustrations, I'm confident his best is ahead of him. Just look at two of the two semi finalists, both THIRTY!
wriggles
06-06-2012, 19:02
I hope as Madeleine says he is in a transition period.
Virginia Wade says he was looking at his team all the time - I thought he was very composed for the main - what do the rest of you think?
Looked up occasionally but was aiming most of it at himself..no where near like the Maclagan days..think he held it together quite well to say he must have felt so frustrated! i would ignore all virginia wades comments about andy full stop!
You certainly could Jay, no prizes for guessing. Makes me so :grrr:they are not worth it,
I'm not so sure. I think Ferrer could give Nadal a good game on Friday. Possibly.
really ?? Im gonna say Rafa in straight sets , cannot see it any other way really
I wondered why the BBC "as it happened" page quotes all the tweets from Andy haters, it's not as if they're even constructive but then they do match the tone of the running blog. :rolleyes:
Golden Lady
06-06-2012, 19:15
They obviously don't follow tennis properly. Ferru is one of the top three claycourters in the world. Hello! "Pathetic" - NOT!
Pathetic is a word that I often see on twitter when Andy's losing. I'm getting days of annoyance off my chest here but today there were other expressions and people saying they were going to turn off their tv etc. I don't get how they can be so rude about Andy and so disrespectful to someone they claim to support!!
Pathetic is a word that I often see on twitter when Andy's losing. I'm getting days of annoyance off my chest here but today there were other expressions and people saying they were going to turn off their tv etc. I don't get how they can be so rude about Andy and so disrespectful to someone they claim to support!!simple glory hunters, fans take the rough with the smooth those lot are only in if for their own twisted self gratification (oh sorry i mean IMHO)
GL , they arent real fans and dont really support him , they r just waiting and hanging on hoping that he gets the slam , then they can tell the world how theyve always supported him , and knew he could do it , and blah blah blah , you get the picture.
Golden Lady
06-06-2012, 19:21
GL , they arent real fans and dont really support him , they r just waiting and hanging on hoping that he gets the slam , then they can tell the world how theyve always supported him , and knew he could do it , and blah blah blah , you get the picture.
Yes you are right ljs. Just a short time after the match and you see some classic back pedaling! Now that's pathetic.
gl , they arent real fans and dont really support him , they r just waiting and hanging on hoping that he gets the slam , then they can tell the world how theyve always supported him , and knew he could do it , and blah blah blah , you get the picture.hedging their bets
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 19:22
Seriously?
You don't think Andy did his best?!!!!
yes you are right ljs. Just a short time after the match and you see some classic back pedaling! Now that's pathetic.i find removing them from my followers list then blocking themworks, not the least bit interested in what they have to say
dont have twitter , and just deleted my facebook acount , so i dont have to worry about reading what these idiots say :)
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 19:24
Not with a bang, but with a whimper...
Whimper? Don't think so. Never seen Andy anywhere near a whimper. Ever.
Golden Lady
06-06-2012, 19:28
i find removing them from my followers list then blocking themworks, not the least bit interested in what they have to say
Yes, it's time I did the same, thanks.
You don't think Andy did his best?!!!!Plainly.
DaveArneRiise
06-06-2012, 19:44
Not with a bang, but with a whimper...
I'm surprised you've sunk this low Hawk. We don't know how lucky we are to have such a phenomenal athlete like Andy to support. A player which comes around once a lifetime.
He has produced a monumental effort to reach the QF's off the French after being minutes away from having to retire in the first round. As far as I'm concerned he has exceeded expectations in this tournament considering the circumstances he was dealt.
Proud of you Andy.
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 19:47
We don't know how lucky we are to have such a phenomenal athlete like Andy to support. A player which comes around once a lifetime.
He has produced a monumental effort to reach the QF's off the French after being minutes away from having to retire in the first round. As far as I'm concerned he has exceeded expectations in this tournament considering the circumstances he was dealt.
Proud of you Andy.
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 19:49
Plainly.
Well it wasn't actually but now it is. At what point in the match was Andy not trying? Be as plain as you like. The plainer the better.
Plainly.
He was trying his **** off!
His words not mine.
Well it wasn't actually but now it is. At what point in the match was Andy not trying? Be as plain as you like. The plainer the better.Ah, now that's not what I said. You said did his best, not tried his best. Feel free to twist my words some more.
david1610
06-06-2012, 19:57
The frustrating thing is that as some others have said, I think Ferrer was there for the taking today, even though he played well.
I envied his consistent good first serves on key points and his consistency in general. But he was gettable at and Andy missed a chance today. That is trying to be objective.
The match was partially won by Ferrer but also partially lost by Andy
wriggles
06-06-2012, 19:58
im totally not down about this at all...i know it would have been nice to get the win but he would have been run ragged by rafa and that may have knocked him confidence wise....he knows he can play a lot better....he has another few gears to go up from here...daveed doesnt.
I cant wait for Queens!
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 20:03
Ah, now that's not what I said. You said did his best, not tried his best. Feel free to twist my words some more.
I have no need or desire to twist anyone's words. So. Back to the start. At what point in the match did Andy not do his best?
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 20:06
Ah, now that's not what I said. You said did his best, not tried his best. Feel free to twist my words some more.
Ah I see we are in a rather pedantic area. The verbs 'to try' and 'to do'. Maybe you could just explain your view on Andy's efforts. It would be a lot easier. Thank you.
david1610
06-06-2012, 20:08
I have no need or desire to twist anyone's words. So. Back to the start. At what point in the match did Andy not do his best?
In fairness to Hawkeye, what do you mean by "do his best"?
Madeline
06-06-2012, 20:11
How about just saying that he tried hard to play at his best but didn't succeed? We all know he can play better.
DaveArneRiise
06-06-2012, 20:13
At the end of the day Ferrer is a monstrous player on clay so it would have been difficult for Andy to come through even if he was fully fit let lone running on empty.
Jesus fancy Andy's opponent being too good :rolleyes:
Andy can't win with some people.
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 20:13
Ah I see we are in a rather pedantic area. The verbs 'to try' and 'to do'. Maybe you could just explain your view on Andy's efforts. It would be a lot easier. Thank you.
..or maybe I should say 'clarify your view'...Just making sure I use the right words.......
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 20:16
In fairness to Hawkeye, what do you mean by "do his best"?
I was asking about his response of 'seriously?' to someone ELSE saying Andy did his best. I have also added another post since then. I'm all for fairness.
jamie&andy's fan
06-06-2012, 20:19
SAD but we were lucky Andy got as far as he did in the FO .... I think he did well considering Ferrer is such a good clay player ! I love Andy win or lose and who knows what Andy will achieve ? This isn't the end ! xx
Kept hoping that he could just get himself off from on the back foot – but it wasn’t meant to be.
Oh well, can’t say I’m sorry to see the back of this clay season, with its bizarre media-driven negativity. But amongst everything though, Andy has played some brilliant tennis. He’s still progressing and here’s hoping that will continue on the grass.
At least now he will have a bit of time to rest and recharge at home. Andy :hug:
I know I had to go out only three games into the third set, so can't comment on the whole match - but from what I saw in the first two sets, Andy was standing toe to toe with one of the best clay courters in the world (and clay is Andy's worst surface, remember!) and even took a set off him. So very well done Andy! :clap: :clap: :clap:
I haven't been on Twitter today. I got too upset after the comments I saw there during/after his last match.
And of course Corretja was supporting Ferru - he's the Spanish Davis Cup captain! He can hardly cheer against his own team!
traveller7
06-06-2012, 20:26
I said did his best, didnt realise it would cause such a response!
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 20:29
I said did his best, didnt realise it would cause such a response!
Me neither mate! I thought I just made a polite inquiry!!!
wriggles
06-06-2012, 20:34
Me neither mate! I thought I just made a polite inquiry!!!
Its just post match 'tetchiness' it'll all blow over! :flowers:
scrapaddict
06-06-2012, 20:35
Well I thought Andy played some very good tennis today. He missed some shots which cost him the match but Ferrer is no slouch and to be honest I doubted Andy could win this one. Jim Courier's commentary n ITV was very good and very fair so I enjoyed the whole match experience
High time to get off the redstuff and on to grass.
I was at RG last week - in the sunshine and saw Heather Watson's win. French wouldn't let us in to Andy's match - even though there were empty seats but it was a great experience
gardengnomie
06-06-2012, 20:37
I'm just grateful Andy got as far as he did considering that he very nearly withdrew in the second round. I thought he played some lovely tennis today and showed some real improvement even though it didn't all come together at once. I'm also glad that he has a few extra days off now before the grass court season to get 100% fit and to have a well deserved break. I think this french open was pretty successful on the whole, but not as successful as we hope wimbledon will be!
gardengnomie
06-06-2012, 20:38
I thought Courier was a very good commentator- surprised me but he was very enlightening.
Sounds as if Andy is considering not playing Queens. In an interview with L'Equipe he says "I had a decent tournament and now we must think of Wimbledon. I do not know if I will play before or not, I must talk with my team. I will do what is best for me. And it would not be tragic not to play before Wimbledon like Novak Djokovic last year did noot play before and he still won."
DaveArneRiise
06-06-2012, 20:40
I thought Courier was a very good commentator- surprised me but he was very enlightening.
Agreed, thought he was outstanding.
traveller7
06-06-2012, 20:42
It would be a shame not to do Queens im sure the transition from clay to grass would be easier getting some matches under his belt but I guess he has to do whats right for his body.
Ah I see we are in a rather pedantic area. The verbs 'to try' and 'to do'. Maybe you could just explain your view on Andy's efforts. It would be a lot easier. Thank you.I did do. Look at the match stats and tell me that anyone could say they were doing his best. I also think you need to look up the definition of pedantry.
I thought Courier was a very good commentator- surprised me but he was very enlightening.
I agree. The most intelligent commentator I have heard. (Although he is still guilty of too much Fed-drooling, but what commentator isn't?)
RoastLamb
06-06-2012, 20:58
I agree. The most intelligent commentator I have heard. (Although he is still guilty of too much Fed-drooling, but what commentator isn't?)
Well, Johnny Mac for one isn't. He prefers Rafa. And he loves Andy. So does Brad.
I know why Alex was cheering for Ferru I just found it strange after seeing him in Andy's corner for so long. As I mentioned earlier today some people on here are being so picky at the mo. It's like walking on egg shells.
I thought that he did very well to get as far as he did, considering he had very little form/ momentum coming into this tournament - as well as his back problems.
As for today's match, he did well to push Ferru - who remember hadn't lost a set up until now - to 4 sets. Perhaps he could have pushed it to 5 sets - but against the top clay court players it is such a grind to win sets - nowhere near as many quick/ cheap points as on HC/ grass.
There might be folk wondering what might have been, but on clay, you can often have many opportunities and not take them, because if you have to hit 3, 4 or 5 winners against a very good defensive player to win a point, the odds then lengthen on winning that point. It happened to Tsonga yesterday, for example. The very good clay courters are so hard to put away.
Anyway, all the ifs, buts and maybes are really by the by. He did fine. Possibly the draw wasn't kind to him, and perhaps he would have had a better chance against DelPo, JWT or Almagro, who arguably aren't as good clay courters as Ferru - but that is simply the luck of the draw, of course..
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 21:01
I did do. Look at the match stats and tell me that anyone could say they were doing his best. I also think you need to look up the definition of pedantry.
I need to look up nothing. Pedantic is the perfect word. It is obvious I assumed you thought he was not doing his best in terms of effort. It appears this assumption was wrong. It seems you are referring to match stats not reflecting Andy's best tennis. Fair enough. That's all you had to say. Mine was a genuine question that was not intended to provoke. Are these words ok?
The honeymoon period for ITV ended on Monday and the reason.....Nick Mullins. He's just too much and sadly brings Jim Courier down by asking irrelevant questions. Why didn't Mark Petchey commentate on Andy's last 2 matches? Although I didn't realise Petch was such a Federer fanboy. I thought his commentary on Goffin's match was poor. You could hear the panic in his voice in the first 2 sets as Fed failed to take control despite Petch repeatedly predicting this was the turning point.
jamie&andy's fan
06-06-2012, 21:06
Oh something just occured to me ....If Andy Didn't ever win a grandslam would you not "love" him anymore ? See (Of course I hope he does!) but if not winning one makes you not love him then what kind of fan would you be ? Surely we love Andy because he's out there playing !Making us smile,cheer when he wins a point or match ;) and being disappontedand sheding tears for "our" boy..Isn't that the point? I mean Andy is still out there despite his lack of GS's ...Why ?Out of love (of course he does want GS's but if he never got one/them he would still be out there ! As I said this isn't the end.
The French Open is always the easiest slam defeat to take, especially when Andy exits against such a quality claycourt player as Ferrer. Andy definitely had his chances, and a bit like last year's FO semi against Rafa, he wasn't able to convert many of the opportunities he had. The serve again let him down - he always seems to serve badly on clay so hopefully that will improve in the grass season. Ferrer played really well and deserves his place in the semifinal.
But overall it's been a good tournament for Andy - he's beaten everyone he should be beating and played well overall.
I need to look up nothing. Pedantic is the perfect word. It is obvious I assumed you thought he was not doing his best in terms of effort. It appears this assumption was wrong. It seems you are referring to match stats not reflecting Andy's best tennis. Fair enough. That's all you had to say. Mine was a genuine question that was not intended to provoke. Are these words ok?Yes thanks, although I did have my Yoda quote ready!
Apologies if I have offended anyone.
MurrayAOne
06-06-2012, 21:34
Yes thanks, although I did have my Yoda quote ready!
Apologies if I have offended anyone.
No worries -no offence taken here! Don't have a Yoda reference though I'm afraid!
I am disappointed but only because I was actually surprised by the way Andy was trying to play ... if it had worked better I think he could have beaten Ferrer. I wasn't really expecting to be saying that, I was just hoping before the match.
I agree with others that Ferrer is a phenomenal clay court player who has been at the top of his game. No shame for Andy in this loss. Bring on the grass!
Yes thanks, although I did have my Yoda quote ready!
Apologies if I have offended anyone.Thanks ;)
traveller7
06-06-2012, 21:46
no offence here all opinions welcome here right?!
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Andy is over-criticised and under-valued!
Thanks ;)Except you obviously.
Except you obviously.i will of course assume you are apologetic for that one to
Well I'm disappointed but not surprised, Andy could have won but I felt he was trying too hard and too many u/errors and again his serves deserted him big time. I'm happy he got to the 1/4, he could have gone out in the second round, see how many points he manage to salvage. good on you Andy. good rest and thank God for the grass season where will be seeded #1. He was not meant to win today, it's fate. Well all you out there dear fans stop beating yourself and stop reading all those tweets, I never do so I don't get worked up. Looking forward to Monday for Queens.
:sad:
Sallydaisy
06-06-2012, 22:22
I've said it before and I'll say it again - Andy is over-criticised and under-valued!
Isn't he just .....
Welcome to the forum Clancy!
:welcome:
Definitely still a work in progress. Andy knew tonight that he couldn't beat Ferrer on clay with his usual game so he came out all guns blazing. Some shots were brilliant, too many missed the mark but the positive is that he continued to play aggressively. He was out of his comfort zone but he kept trying - and all this with a dodgy back - yet people still berate him. I'm sure Lendl will be pleased that he stuck at it. A pity that he didn't win that last service game and make Ferrer serve it out but maybe a fifth set wouldn't have been the right thing for his body anyway - he was obviously beginning to feel the strain. I'm just glad to have had the pleasure of watching his third and fourth round matches - he could so easily have gone out in the second. Am I disappointed that he didn't make the semis - perhaps. Am I disappointed that he doesn't have to face Rafa on Friday - absolutely not. Personally, I'd far rather he came home, re-grouped and got ready for Wimbledon. I'm still convinced that one of these days it will all click into place and then there will be no stopping our boy!
supergran
06-06-2012, 22:50
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd say how proud I am of Andy throughout this tournament. He was going for his shots today wasn't he? Sad that he didn't win but it was so exciting to watch and Ferrer was pretty good today. When you think back to last week Andy has done remarkably well. Just hope he is fit and healthy for the grass season. Touching on comments regarding negativity I have seen it on twitter and it is like you say....looking for glory. If you are a supporter you support through good and bad times which I will always do.
KnightOwl
06-06-2012, 22:56
Absolutely - given the problems he had against Niemenen, it's incredible he got as far as he did, and Ferrer is always a force to be reckoned with on clay - I have to say I didn't expect him to win - hoped, but didn't expect.
Now he needs a bit of rest and treatment, and hopefully he can do himself justice at Queens, Wimbledon then roll on the Olymics!
jeannie13
06-06-2012, 23:11
:swingin:
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd say how proud I am of Andy throughout this tournament. He was going for his shots today wasn't he? Sad that he didn't win but it was so exciting to watch and Ferrer was pretty good today. When you think back to last week Andy has done remarkably well. Just hope he is fit and healthy for the grass season. Touching on comments regarding negativity I have seen it on twitter and it is like you say....looking for glory. If you are a supporter you support through good and bad times which I will always do.
great to see you back--I've really missed you. I agree with what you say. Also alis & many other true supporters.:swingin:
supergran
06-06-2012, 23:14
Hi Jeannie...hope you are well. Lovely to hear from you. This might save us money on phone calls!;)
KnightOwl
06-06-2012, 23:20
Nice to see you back with us SG :big grin:
supergran
06-06-2012, 23:27
Thank you so much. It is nice to be back!:thanks::clap:
DaveArneRiise
06-06-2012, 23:33
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd say how proud I am of Andy throughout this tournament. He was going for his shots today wasn't he? Sad that he didn't win but it was so exciting to watch and Ferrer was pretty good today. When you think back to last week Andy has done remarkably well. Just hope he is fit and healthy for the grass season. Touching on comments regarding negativity I have seen it on twitter and it is like you say....looking for glory. If you are a supporter you support through good and bad times which I will always do.
The voice of reason :clap: Great to see you SG hope you are well ;)
Good to see you back supergran. Hope all's well with you. :swingin:
DaveArneRiise
06-06-2012, 23:55
Nice tweet from Boris!
Boris Becker @Becker_Boris
Absolutly no shame for Murray to go out against Ferrer in Paris!
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd say how proud I am of Andy throughout this tournament. He was going for his shots today wasn't he? Sad that he didn't win but it was so exciting to watch and Ferrer was pretty good today. When you think back to last week Andy has done remarkably well. Just hope he is fit and healthy for the grass season. Touching on comments regarding negativity I have seen it on twitter and it is like you say....looking for glory. If you are a supporter you support through good and bad times which I will always do.
So glad to see you back Supergran - we've missed your words of wisdom!
You see supergran, I told you people were missing you!!! I am soooo glad you are back!
At least there is less Andy bashing here than on twitter
Thought Andy will come out of this happy and once that his forehand is is consistent and it is is firmly in his arsenal then he will have all the shots to bag his 1st GS. Glad he doesn't have to face Nadal who will win this, much prefer that Andy can go home and be ready for Queens and Wimbledon which he has a better chance of winning.
I tend to agree Mickey .... although I have a feeling he may pull out of Queens, he has hinted at it
Welcome back SG!
Must admit to being disappointed with the result. I said beforehand that I'd be unphased if he lost but I found myself shouting at him out of frustration. It was such a shame. I feel his back is definitely still hampering him - the damp conditions won't have helped. At times he had that look of trying to hit a lump of lead rather than a ball, which I've seen before, and the ball would then land in the net. I think his back just wasn't allowing him to get behind some of his shots to best effect. I think that had he been 100% he would have trounced Ferrer and that's not to take anything away from Ferrer but Andy broke him umpteen times and set up some great opportunities that he would normally have taken but just didn't seem able to execute yesterday. I feel, as someone else said, that it was part Ferrer winning and part Andy losing. If his back is not right he really needs to rest - so not playing Queens may be wise if that's what he and his team decide. Constantly playing at below par is not going to help his health, his future, his rankings or his chances of winning anything, let alone a slam. With time not so much on his side now, he needs to make some very well weighed up decisions IMHO.
Still very proud of him - he's been battling pain and that's never easy but he's a real trooper.
Golden Lady
07-06-2012, 09:07
Hello everyone. Just thought I'd say how proud I am of Andy throughout this tournament. He was going for his shots today wasn't he? Sad that he didn't win but it was so exciting to watch and Ferrer was pretty good today. When you think back to last week Andy has done remarkably well. Just hope he is fit and healthy for the grass season. Touching on comments regarding negativity I have seen it on twitter and it is like you say....looking for glory. If you are a supporter you support through good and bad times which I will always do.
Hello supergran, welcome back!! It's lovely to have you back as you have been missed :flowers:.
I feel exactly the same as you, I will support Andy no matter what and take the bad as well as the good.
LC the fan
07-06-2012, 09:24
I must admit that, when he levelled at a set all, I felt he had Ferrer on the back foot a bit and thought he would perhaps go on and win. The break didnt do him any favours as he had the ascendancy before they went off, and the damp heavy conditions certainly didn't help.
OK there were flashes but Andy wasn't at his best, certainly his forehand and serve were well under par.
I think we'll soon know if there's a physical problem. He wont pull out of Queens without a pretty good reason. I was surprised, though, to hear him say his fitness routine has to be stepped up - although, of course, if his back has been bad he wont have been training too hard..
Welcome home Andy ! Let the other three fight themselves into the ground - get yourself ready and well for Wimby and the Olympics
Hi all
I've been away for a few days, so no access to the forum. Managed to see Andy's match against Richard Gasquet, and saw the first part of the QF yesterday, up to the rain break. I feel very out of touch!
I think, given the state of Andy's back before/during the tournament and given the draw, I am pleasantly surprised that Andy got as far as he did. Yes, it would have been great for him to beat Ferru, but it could have been a whole lot worse.
Hope Andy makes the right decision about Queens - would love to see him play, but it's more important to be ready for SW19!
Madeline
07-06-2012, 11:28
Yes, I will be very disappointed if I can't watch him play at Queens, but it is far more important that he gets his back right for Wimbledon. Yes, Queens seems very important for us Brits, but it is only a 250 - the lowest level tournament after all - maybe he should "do a Rafa" and play a few rounds for grass match practice, if his back is good enough, and then pull out.
If the draw had been different and Ferrer had been drawn against Novak or Fed in the quarters, I wonder if they would have fared any better than Andy. Given that they have both been taken to 4 or 5 sets in several matches, I am inclined to believe that both of them would have struggled against Daveed yesterday. I also agree with Pabbers that Andy's back was hampering his serve and possibly his forehand too - particularly in the fourth set.
Murray's_Backhand
07-06-2012, 13:56
Hi everyone,
Its been a long time since i posted on here. I need to get back into it! Thought i would throw in my "two cents" about the whole tournament as a whole.
Firstly we have to start with the Ferrer loss. A lot of people expected Andy to lose (and so he did) but i honestly thought he would win, regardless of Ferrer's ability on clay. It was a tough match to watch because of how Andy played the match. At some times he looked a class above Ferrer, he really did, but then at other times he looked out of idea's and essentially just hoping. Then we come to the forehand, something we are told Andy and Ivan have been working on A LOT, well to be honest that shot was the major downfall. Every time he hit a forehand there was a sense of inevitability, a sense that the point was over ...and he had lost it. Why did this shot fail him so often when it was something they had worked on vigorously? The answer i hope is simple "It's one of those days". Andy fought well but in the end didn't have enough, fair play to the Spaniard.
As for the tourny as a whole, it was very up and down. Starting with the Ito match (I was in the crowd on Lenglen for that one!!! :) ) all things looked well. Then the obvious back injury that forced him so close to retirement before coming up with some special tennis. 3rd round was standard for Andy, followed by another up and down one against Reeeeshhhhharrrd. With the situation being how it was a QF was not bad at all, we can be happy and say he fought his way to the last 8, injury n' all.
I think we definitely saw the hint of things to come as regards the forehand in the Gasquet match. I just felt yesterday that his fitness meant he couldn't get his back and weight behind the ball enough to lift it over the net on the big forehands. Hopefully a full physical recovery will follow soon and we'll see more of the stuff he produced against Reeeshar.
I just felt yesterday that his fitness meant he couldn't get his back and weight behind the ball enough to lift it over the net on the big forehands.
...nor consistently on his serve. And also factor in the rainy, damp conditions which led Andy to compare the ball with a 'brick'...
supergran
07-06-2012, 15:27
You see supergran, I told you people were missing you!!! I am soooo glad you are back!
At least there is less Andy bashing here than on twitter Thanks Caro..will be lovely chatting to you on here. xx
supergran
07-06-2012, 15:41
Thanks everybody for your lovely welcome and kind words. Have thanked KnightOwl, Sally, Jeannie and Caro so would now like to extend my gratitude to SaveArneRiise, Karanga, Alis, Golden Lady and last but not least pabbers. I've missed the forum more than you know and I'm glad to be back amongst lovely Andy fans whom I regard as my friends. Here's to an exciting summer of tennis!:thanks::wave:
MurrayAOne
07-06-2012, 16:56
Thanks everybody for your lovely welcome and kind words. Have thanked KnightOwl, Sally, Jeannie and Caro so would now like to extend my gratitude to SaveArneRiise, Karanga, Alis, Golden Lady and last but not least pabbers. I've missed the forum more than you know and I'm glad to be back amongst lovely Andy fans whom I regard as my friends. Here's to an exciting summer of tennis!:thanks::wave:
Seems like you've never been away...if you catch my drift...! :)
JAMES4578
07-06-2012, 18:12
Good you're back here Supergran!
Welcome Back Supergran !!
Elizabeth
07-06-2012, 19:57
Welcome back Supergran, have missed you.
Tie-break
07-06-2012, 20:40
Great to 'hear' you again, Supergran!
SG - lovely to see you back on the forum :cheer: - I have sent you a PM
traveller7
07-06-2012, 21:55
Welcome back SG! xx
supergran
07-06-2012, 22:04
Don't mean to hog this thread so posting thanks on Hello and Goodbye thread. Do not want to be accused of going off topic so soon.:shamed::rolling:
LindyDRed
07-06-2012, 23:20
Pathetic is a word that I often see on twitter when Andy's losing. I'm getting days of annoyance off my chest here but today there were other expressions and people saying they were going to turn off their tv etc. I don't get how they can be so rude about Andy and so disrespectful to someone they claim to support!!
If I'm nervous or just frustrated with him then I will turn off the TV and just follow his match on twitter. His performance against Gasquet was amazing and so yes, I was expecting him to beat Ferrer. Andy was annoyed with himself because he missed chance after chance to win. How many times did he break only to get broken right back? I think I stopped counting at 5. If Andy gets frustrated with himself then I see no reason why I shouldn't get frustrated with him. It doesn't make me any less of a fan. I always wish him luck for his matches. I always congratulate him when he wins. I always let him know that I support him - win or lose. If his back wasn't a factor in that match then I'm ever more worried about how he'll do the rest of the year.
A fan is allowed to be critical. I get annoyed when he starts shouting at himself because I don't think it helps him.
There is no other player that I would cry over. No other player I would sacrifice sleep for - AO always kills me. No other player I want more for. Only Andy Murray.
Golden Lady
08-06-2012, 10:17
If I'm nervous or just frustrated with him then I will turn off the TV and just follow his match on twitter. His performance against Gasquet was amazing and so yes, I was expecting him to beat Ferrer. Andy was annoyed with himself because he missed chance after chance to win. How many times did he break only to get broken right back? I think I stopped counting at 5. If Andy gets frustrated with himself then I see no reason why I shouldn't get frustrated with him. It doesn't make me any less of a fan. I always wish him luck for his matches. I always congratulate him when he wins. I always let him know that I support him - win or lose. If his back wasn't a factor in that match then I'm ever more worried about how he'll do the rest of the year.
A fan is allowed to be critical. I get annoyed when he starts shouting at himself because I don't think it helps him.
There is no other player that I would cry over. No other player I would sacrifice sleep for - AO always kills me. No other player I want more for. Only Andy Murray.
I don't disagree with anything that you say here Lindy. What upsets me sometimes is the manner in which people vent theirfrustrations and the words they use.
JAMES4578
08-06-2012, 12:18
We all express ourselves in different ways and it's understandable that people are a bit frustrated at times if we think Andy didn't do himself justice. I don't see much merit in blind loyalty and constructive criiticism is always welcome. Nonetheless it is annoying if some folk are too negative,though things can be said in the heat of the moment. Personally though even if I'm disapointed with his performance I would never turn the TV off as always want to see him play regardless.
Maza1987
11-06-2012, 14:12
I'm sorry I don't remember who made the facetious remark about Andy being one of the few players who doesn't rush to put on an oversized watch after matches--but it seems those days could be over if this article is anything to go by.
Britain’s Andy Murray is expected to sign up to a watch company this week
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2157358/French-Open-2012-Maria-Sharapova-times-right.html#ixzz1xUgdYfhy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150869890791966&set=a.231935561965.134843.16814976965&type=1
supergran
11-06-2012, 18:20
Photo on facebook!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150869890791966&set=a.231935561965.134843.16814976965&type=1
Photo on facebook!indeed...
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