View Full Version : CINCINNATI MASTERS, R3: Chardy charges on; beats Andy 6'4, 6'4
Sallydaisy
15-08-2012, 20:01
A straight sets win for Andy over Sam Querrey sees him safely through to R3 in Cincy.
Next up is Jeremy Chardy against whom Andy has a 4-0 H2H (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=CA12)
:shades:
They have only ever met at Masters events, all on hard court, and Chardy has only ever taken 1 set off Muzzah - a tie-break 2 years ago at exactly the same stage here in Cincy. They are the same age but there the similarity ends. Andy has 2 titles this year compared the 0 for the Frenchman, currently ranked #38(CH#31 2009), and career-wise Andy has 23 titles to the Frenchmans 'un'.
They'll play their R3 encounter on Thursday - Court and time tbc.
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Year
Tournament & City
Surface
Round
Winner & Score
2011
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Paris.aspx)
France
Hard
R32
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-2, 6-4 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=CA12#)
2010
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Shanghai.aspx)
Shanghai, China
Hard
R16
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-3, 6-4 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=CA12#)
2010
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Cincinnati.aspx)
OH, U.S.A.
Hard
R32
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-3, 6-7(3), 6-2 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=CA12#)
2009
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Toronto.aspx)
MontrTal, Canada
Hard
R32
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-4, 6-2 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=CA12#)
Maza1987
15-08-2012, 20:12
comonn the muzz!
chardy caused and upset over gasquet? in rnd 1 though, so be wary
If Andy plays like he did today there's only one winner.
RoastLamb
15-08-2012, 20:16
comonn the muzz!
chardy caused and upset over gasquet? in rnd 1 though, so be wary
Milos beat Gasquet, Chardy beat Roddick.
Sallydaisy
15-08-2012, 20:17
chardy caused and upset over gasquet? in rnd 1 though, so be wary
:confused:
Chardy beat Roddick in R1 here ...
Gasquet, Finalist in Toronto on Sunday, lost to Raonic in R1 here on Tuesday.
DaveArneRiise
15-08-2012, 21:07
Chardy is probably one of the most inconsistent players ever. On his day he can ruffle a few feathers.
rainy days
15-08-2012, 21:09
Roddick was awful though. I don't expect Andy to play that badly tomorrow...
awful is putting it nicely rainy days :lol:
traveller7
15-08-2012, 21:12
Nice h2h to start with hope he can make it 5-0
JAMES4578
16-08-2012, 06:34
Andy is 2nd on Grandstand after Radwanska. Hopefully he can continue the good form, we can't totally discount Chardy but Andy should be a class above.
Will probably miss this if Sky goes to the red button as they did yesterday - can't record it :grrr:
Hope to be able to see this.
It was a real pleasure to see the way Andy played yesterday - hope he can bring the same form to today's match!
Best of luck today, Andy:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::)
Sky going all the way through - so set it to watch when I get home from golf :thumbup:
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 11:06
I will be able to see this one - shouldn't be too much of a problem with Chardy in the mood that Andy appears to be in.
Chardy is probably one of the most inconsistent players ever. On his day he can ruffle a few feathers.
Andy is going into matches nowadays full of confidence and focus. His interviews post matches came through well how he is ready to go. No fear, I'm confident and not even giving his opponent a second thought yet, may be in the 1/4 against Del P, I might . I believe and trust.
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 14:43
I agree. Delpo is dangerous. To be honest I think he could be the big obstacle between Andy and the US Open.
Just praying he is in the other half of the draw
david1610
16-08-2012, 14:58
Good luck Andy! More of the same except for an improvement in the first serve percentage please!
jeannie13
16-08-2012, 15:27
At the rate the women's match is going, Andy might be on even earlier. 4-0 last time I looked. 5-0 now!!!
Andy's head to head, shows he is leading Delpo.
Madeline
16-08-2012, 15:56
Aggie won the set 6-1, but is *1-4 down in the second now. So there may have to be a third set before Andy gets on.
course it will start early, gotta pick up the mrs :grrr:
send a taxi for her J :lol:
Or you could always suggest that she get some good use out of those expensive shoes... :sofa:
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 16:20
You've got about 40mins from now J, the ladies are into a 3rd set.
Aggie's match goes to a final set
You've got about 40mins from now J, the ladies are into a 3rd set.still going on ?
send a taxi for her J :lol::sofa:
OK, Radwanska's won, now on with the main event :)
traveller7
16-08-2012, 17:20
Ooh glad I didnt miss this match!
Still showing Delpo match - hope they go over to Andy soon.
arrrggg my stream isnt showing it yet
give ur stream please. I'm on sky go and no red button
http://www.hahasport.com/v-4/2/166/v-436600.html
finally ma streams showing Andy
never tire of hearing Olympic gold medalist
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:33
I'm watching on Bet365 and it's fine but the link ljs posted tells me it's not available 'cos of copyright.
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:33
never tire of hearing Olympic gold medalist
It's great isn't it ........
:)
doesnt it sound awesome when they introduce Andy as the Olympic GOLD medalist :big grin:
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:38
Game Andy Murray 1-0
Good to get that from *0-30 ...
sluggish start but gets the hold
cmonnnnnnnnn
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 17:38
I'm not using bet365 because the screen is so small. Has anyone else worked out how to make it bigger? :)
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:43
I'm not using bet365 because the screen is so small. Has anyone else worked out how to make it bigger? :)
Have you got it with the little 2" square screen at top right?
If so you can click on a little icon at top right of it which has 2 arrows on the diagonal pointing away from each other. That moves the picture to be almost centred and about 5" x 3" - not far off the size of the livestreams. Decent commie too but I don't know who.
great defence from Andy
but charge takes the point
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:49
How did he get that back into play!
david1610
16-08-2012, 17:49
Good serving .... now show your class and enjoy yourself. C'mon Andy!
that's alright
safe hold please
ckonnnnnnnnnnn
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 17:52
2-2 and a love hold from Andy.
simpllllessssss
now look for the opportunities
cmonnnnnnnnnnn
david1610
16-08-2012, 17:53
3-2 Imagine if he always served with such confidence!
Now let's get that kitkat. C'mon Andy!
traveller7
16-08-2012, 17:58
Any livestream I am using is freezing up my internet argh
unreal huddle
chance
bp
cmonnnnn
rainy days
16-08-2012, 17:59
C'mon Andy!
ok Andy keep it tight
cmonnnnnnnnnn
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:03
3-3
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:03
15-30 Just be careful Andy. You have been playing better but no breaks yet. Focus. Safe hold. C'mon Andy!
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 18:03
*15-40
:sofa:
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:04
goodness what happened there 3-4 andy!
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 18:04
:doh:
What was that about Andy?????
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:04
Mmm... wonder if Andy lost concentration there. Hope he can break back.
C'mon Andy!
wild
gotta break him straight back
cmonnnnnnn
Who was it who said they missed the murraycoasters?
rainy days
16-08-2012, 18:05
Oh no...
just finished eating. Andy's been broken? Come on Andy!
ooops! andy dropped serve, down 3-4. far too long, and impatient
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:09
3-5 not good
comeon andy this livestream is freezing my comp up make it worth the effort please!
ok Andy simple,must hold and force him to serve the set out
cmonnnnnn
Anybody can have an off day as long as he wins it in the end. Chardy is on fire
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:09
Mmm.... Chardy is stringing it together.... Andy was playing well but it is going to be hard to get a kitkat if Chardy plays his service games like that.
Oh well. Start with a hold, though Andy a bit wayward with some of the shots.
Focus! C'mon Andy!
part a complete now for the pressure
cmonnnnnnnnnnnnn
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:11
Time to focus and step up a gear, please.
C'mon Andy!
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 18:13
Chardy has not read the script for this match
It was meant to be a walk in the park for Andy
Let's hope he has that other gear ready to step into
shows how important it is to make the guy play one more ball!
Oh dear. I don't suppose any of us predicted that in FTM?
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:15
And he had no worries serving that out, Andy has some work to do with this so called 'lucky loser'!
no need to panic, stay patient & force him to play tennis
cmonnnnnnn
well this isnt going according to plan so far
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:16
Oh dear. Chardy certainly can be dangerous - but can he keep it up? (Hopefully not!)
lost first set 4-6. hopefully he'll come up with plan B, or just get a better length. return of serve not too clever either
I'm not quite believing what I'm seeing :sad:
Edit - commie said same thing right after I posted it!
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 18:21
Chardy breaks Andy's first service game in the 2nd set.
:hmm:
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:21
Oh dear oh dear.
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:21
And andys broken again seems to have left his second gear in the locker room
I dont feel good about this match :/
c'mon Andy gotta give him junk
cmonnnnn
and dropped serve, so chardy a break and a set up
That's more like it, Andy breaks back :)
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:25
ooh andy breaks back come onnnnnn
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:25
Thank goodness for that!
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:32
Oh dear! Is this the post-gold medal meander?
rainy days
16-08-2012, 18:32
What the hell? Clearly not his day. :sad:
well we know how to break him° just gotta do it again
cmonnnnnnn
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:33
Come on, Andy, you can't be beaten by a GEM LL!
And my tennistv livestream has died. . .
broke back, but couldn't hold serve, can't buy a first serve, lost on a df too. chardy now at 2-1
:confused:What on earth is going on??? Didn't expect this..........
and a df from chardy, so andy breaks back, 2-2
rainy days
16-08-2012, 18:39
Maybe they made a deal to just not win their own service games in this set...
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:40
Andy? It is like you are giving him smashing practice during the warm up!!
Focus. Quality serving please!
C'mon Andy!
Guess Im the only one here who isnt shocked by this performance , remember Andy has played an incredible amount of tennis this last month or so , and its not over yet anyway.
Can neither of them hold serve now?
of course everything goes quiet , just as they are announcing RF on the other court :lol:
Andys mad , throwing down his racket :sad:
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:44
This is like playing Russian roulette. Chardy will hold at some point.
Grind it out Andy. If there is no inspiration then do it through perspiration.
Break back and then hold and build from that.
C'mon Andy!
An exhausting Murray, he does not like he wants to be there. He is just throwing it away. Oh dear.
Sigh. Tried to distract myself by cooking "freezer pot luck" but now that has turned out to be spag bol, I have nothing more to distract me!!!
andy playing really badly, horrible tentative stuff, broken again, chardy at 3-2
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:46
He doesnt look overly comfortable out there maybe the knee is bugging him???
I hoped we wouldn't see this Andy again for a long time especially against the likes of Chardy...
Ross has gone :sad:
Meanwhile, the two biggest egos in men's tennis are now on Centre.
rainy days
16-08-2012, 18:47
I can't watch this anymore. That's just depressing.
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:47
Now that shot was more like it!
Come on andy wake up!
Where's Chardy finding this form all of a sudden?
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 18:49
Oh dear went for a walk thinking it was safe! Come on Andy :) you can turn this around ;)
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:49
Back to deuce come on take this opportunity of him serving back
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:50
Where's Chardy finding this form all of a sudden?
Lucky loser stepping in when Isner pulled out nothing to lose going for the shots!
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 18:50
Ok is this Chardy's double??
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:51
Mmm... Andy needs to....
Focus...safe hold. C'mon Andy!
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:51
Well, this is. . . odd.
traveller7
16-08-2012, 18:51
And now leading 4-2 andy has got to pull something out the bag here or he is gone :(
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:53
There is no consistent focus which would pull him out of this.
Unless..... we all say together "wake up Andy! :)
rainy days
16-08-2012, 18:54
He ain't winning this. IDK what he is doing.
This isn't going to do his confidence much good going into the USO.
Makes you wonder which Andy will turn up at the US Open, the golden boy or this one.
david1610
16-08-2012, 18:57
The frustrating thing is I think Chardy is at a tipping point and if Andy could get the break back and focus, he could still win this. Chardy has been hitting some wild UEs along with the forehand winners.
Come on Andy! Focus!
Andy may have played a lot of grass tennis recently but he needs some more hard court tournament play before going into the USO.
Today is still probably a come down from SW19 but he could easily turn this round if he just focuses!
Haven't been on a Murray-coaster for a while - feeling a bit sick
Madeline
16-08-2012, 18:57
Ok, Andy, now all you have to do is break - hold - and break again.
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 18:58
Can everyone hear this man constantly talking about balls???
andy finally holds serve, after umpteen deuces. chardy now at 4-3, still a break up
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 18:58
Come on Andy! :) we know you can do this!
Can everyone hear this man constantly talking about balls???
yes, plus stuff from the centre court :grrr:
There I was mistakenly thinking he was in a purple patch.
hfwardhouse
16-08-2012, 19:01
Just home - is Andy struggling badly or Chardy playing a blinder?
A little bit of both, but slightly more on the side of Andy playing badly, I would say.
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:03
You can see how well Chardy is playing :( and Andy not in the mood to fight it ............okay maybe he is :)
david1610
16-08-2012, 19:04
Why is Andy feeding Chardy's forehand? Can't he mix it up, give him chunk, etc.
C'mon Andy!
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:05
Come ON ANDY!!
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:06
I forgot what a murrycoaster felt like .......
I forgot what a murrycoaster felt like .......
Grim
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:07
:) still our Andy though ;)
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:08
Oh dear. It has been so long.
just held serve, so chardy to serve at 5-4. now or never
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:09
What is wrong with that man!!! gag him!!
david1610
16-08-2012, 19:09
C'mon Andy!
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:10
woohoo :)
I wish this commie didn't sound so gleeful about it.
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 19:10
Can everyone hear this man constantly talking about balls???
It's the umpire - I think it was when they did a ball change and they messed it up a bit.
traveller7
16-08-2012, 19:11
Whats the score now anyone please?
What is wrong with that man!!! gag him!!
the " did u tell the lady yet " guy :lol:
I'm so disappointed for Andy:crying::crying: but perhaps he could do with a few more days rest before the USO
hfwardhouse
16-08-2012, 19:13
No :crying:
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:13
Oh no! :( sorry about that Andy
:sad:
That's two Andys in a row that Chardy's beat :shocked:
It's the umpire - I think it was when they did a ball change and they messed it up a bit.I think somebody's in for a ball ocking after the match
david1610
16-08-2012, 19:13
Well I expected a distracted non-performance at some point after the Olympics. At least it was not at the USO.
Time to earn your pennies Ivan!
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:14
Oh well. I didn't see that coming.
Madeline
16-08-2012, 19:14
Well, I really didn't think Chardy would be able to keep that level up - but he did.
Andy, what on earth happened since yesterday?
traveller7
16-08-2012, 19:15
Oh no what a shame :( lets hope this walkabout is the one and only time in the next month!
So then there's that .... Agree with Petch - better screw up here than Flushing Toilets.
chardy held serve, wins 6-4, 6-4. chardy played well, andy didn't, careless, no plan B, no serve in second set
Credit to Chardy - he did play well, but Andy was disappointing today.
Let's not be too downhearted about the US Open - remember that Andy lost his first match at Queen's this year, but went on to have a good Wimbledon.
He played badly 2day , had to happen eventually , after the incredible run hes had .
Rest up , practise , and On to the USO
Maybe Andy wasn't feeling very well? He rushed off the court really quickly.
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 19:18
Well, perhaps that was the 'post-Olympic' dip or the 'still not sure about the knee' match.
If so, better it was here rather than at the US Open.
Great shame he didn't defend his 1000 points though .......
:sad:
Well played Chardy - confidence is high and he'd nothing to lose coming into the match today. Not sure he'll make it past DelPo though.
Onwards ..... and 10 days to sort everything out before the US Open!!!
Well I expected a distracted non-performance at some point after the Olympics. At least it was not at the USO.
Time to earn your pennies Ivan!
I actually didn't or if he did get one of those days, I felt he would still be able to turn it round. I kept on thinking that throughout the match.
Chardy caught him napping that's for sure.
Andy emulating Usain Bolt with his exit there. This is why grand slams are (and must stay) best of 5 sets.
More time for USO preparation.
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:20
Remember Queen's? That was awful as well and yet Andy still had a deep run at Wimbledon. Just not his day.
hfwardhouse
16-08-2012, 19:24
Apparently Andy's gone straight to the press room so he's obviously keen to get on a plane asap.
Andy was thinking of Rafa who's guaranteed to remain #3 after USO regardless.
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:26
That was very considerate of Andy.
hfwardhouse
16-08-2012, 19:27
According to presser he's not too worried - still getting used to hard courts and pointed out that he lost in R1 of Queens and still had a good run at Wimbledon ... as has already been said here!
Sallydaisy
16-08-2012, 19:27
I hope Andy's headed down to Florida for a couple of days r&r before cranking up for the US Open.
Can't wait to hear what he says in his presser .......
:shades:
So much for the "aura" they were all talking about. His halo has slipped.
Delpo struggled today but turned things round as I expected Andy to do. He had no "fight" today.
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 19:27
I'd hoped for a Djokovic style run after the Olympics. Just didn't expect that today.
Would love to hear what Andy had to say = somehow nothing went right for him but even Petch believed that he could and would turn it around.
Ah well.... onwards to the US Open
somehow the only real winner today was Delpo who will, I think progress to the semi
I would like to know what was bothering him and he lays it on the line and not blame the heat, I want to know about his health if that's OK because there was something wrong, he looks like he did not want to there as we've seen it so many times and found out later there was health issues.
Andy was thinking of Rafa who's guaranteed to remain #3 after USO regardless.
Really? Is he that far ahead?
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 19:31
remember Andy loses 1000 points today.
Feeling really fed-up. Thought I was going to sit down and enjoy a comfortable win and found myself behind that sofa again.
Guarantee Chardy will lose to Delpo.
traveller7
16-08-2012, 19:32
I just found it all too depressing to carry on watching in the end
never mind onwards and upwards!
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:32
Really? Is he that far ahead?
No. If Andy were to win the USO, he would overtake Rafa in the rankings. But let's not get carried away...
patmoren
16-08-2012, 19:34
Poor Andy, Chardy was playing out of his skin and Andy couldn't find a way through. Very unusual for Andy but at least he has a bit longer to prepare for US Open
Really disappointing today.
From 7 possible masters tournaments this year Andy has only gained 1060 ranking points, an average of 151 points per tournament, which on average is worse than a quarter final appearance at each tournament, as that earns 180 points.
This period is a good opportunity to move in on the 3rd world ranking in Nadals absence, however if this form in the Masters continues, Andy will be looking over his shoulder at the chasing pack :facepalm:
Lets hope for a back to form Andy at the US Open.
Our man just wasn't there today - he just seemed flat from the beginning. Reaction, off-colour or maybe he just got out of the wrong side of the bed. I really don't think it will affect the US Open at all - perhaps he'll be glad of the rest.
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:37
He wasn't playing that well. His first serve percentage in the second set was awful. But Andy just kept making errors.
He doesn't lose 1000 points today, he loses 910. He would have to win USO to become #3.
remember Andy loses 1000 points today.
Feeling really fed-up. Thought I was going to sit down and enjoy a comfortable win and found myself behind that sofa again.
Surely he won't lose all 1000 points - how many does he get for a second round win?
LC the fan
16-08-2012, 19:39
Would like to think that a rest is what he needs but cant help feeling that a good run of wins would have been a better tonic
JAMES4578
16-08-2012, 19:42
A bit of a frustrating performance from Andy but sure he can find his form for the U.s. Open which after all is far more important. Chardy at times was really in the zone but of couse it would have been different with a top form Murray. Felt he could still come back in that 2nd set and a few great points in the last game but it was not to be. In PC Andy said he was a bit uncomfortable with the high bouncing balls and his serve let him down. Hopefully the knee not a cause for concern, though didn't think the movement was quite there at times.
rainy days
16-08-2012, 19:44
He doesn't lose 1000 points today, he loses 910. He would have to win USO to become #3.
Actually, he would only have to make the final to become #3. I just checked. Rafa will be at 7,515 after the USO and if Andy were to make the final he would have 7,740 points.
He gets 90 points for R3 today. Leaving him at 7,290.
So normal service has been resumed - back to the :sofa:. I really thought and hoped those days were over. That's the difference between Andy and the other top 3 - inconsistency. Why did he keep hitting everything to Chardy's forehand and why did he play so far behind the baseline that Chardy had time to run round his backhand?
I accept he had a bad Queens but still did ok at Wimbledon but hey I want him to win a slam and be #1 - that's just not going to happen if he continues like this. Or maybe he has priorities and wants a slam and then will worry about #1. Either way Mr Lendl still has his work cut out.
Ok dusting self off and ready to start again. CMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN ANDEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Im sure Andy would love to be #3 , but I really dont think thats where his focus is . He is after the one thing he lacks
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 19:59
Disappointed with that loss :( Andy didn't seem too bothered about a win. Maybe that's better than thinking he was playing his socks off and couldn't beat chardy though! Well time for a break before the Open :)
DaveArneRiise
16-08-2012, 20:11
Funny one that Chardy. Like I said one of the most inconsistent players EVER! When it clicks though which is a rarity these days he can trouble the best of players.
Just hope part of Andy's demise today wasn't due to an injury? Or trouble with his knee?
hfwardhouse
16-08-2012, 20:13
Andy did say in his presser he's still getting used to the hard courts. Remember his normal preparation for this part of the season includes 3 weeks on hard courts in Miami before the Rogers Cup kicks off so he didn't get that this year ...
Strange thing was that Andy had several chances to break early in the first set but uncharacteristically he couldn't take them. I still can't make sense of it all - if it had been a high-profile opponent it would be easier to accept but then maybe he would have put in more of an effort.
If you were Andy would you have wanted to play Delpo, followed by Djoko, followed by Fed on three successive days in those conditions? Perhaps this was a strategic loss - that certainly would explain Andy's poor performance. Now he can head off down to New York and acclimatise to the conditions there. I think this loss is totally inconsequential and I'm sure Andy will see it that way.
I'm not too disappointed with this loss and I think it will in no way affect his confidence going into the US Open. I think I would've been really gutted had he lost to a top player in this tournament. I wonder if anyone feels the same....
One thing I learned from this match is that I believe in Andy more than ever. I felt he could still turn it around at match point. He didn't, but it feels nice to know he can.
Andy will be ready for the US Open. C'MON ANDY!
I totally agree, Aya. A loss to a high profile player would have been far more damaging and I also felt that Andy could have turned it around if he had really wanted to. The fact that he didn't is interesting and makes me wonder even more if the loss was strategic.
banskogirl
16-08-2012, 20:32
Just wish we knew when it is ;)
Our boy still is, and no doubt always will be, full of complexities. Nothing straightforward about Andy Murray.
If you were Andy would you have wanted to play Delpo, followed by Djoko, followed by Fed on three successive days in those conditions? Perhaps this was a strategic loss - that certainly would explain Andy's poor performance. Now he can head off down to New York and acclimatise to the conditions there. I think this loss is totally inconsequential and I'm sure Andy will see it that way.
The same thought crossed my mind but was not bold enough to say it.
The same thought crossed my mind but was not bold enough to say it.
I feel that the last two tournaments have been strategic, as has the entire Masters campaign this year. Andy's focus is clearly on the Slams. Lets hope he does not regret this come the end of the year and he has a decent US Open.
Wow, you lot are something else.
Nevermind his knee, Andys been dealing with pretty serious back problems all year too. The grass court season stretch was all the more remarkable for it that he was able to stay healthy throughout.
He clearly isn't there yet in terms of fitness, mentally, physically and the fact its a big change of surface, one he admittedly finds the toughest to adjust too.
But so what? We should all really have expected a come down after the two Wimbledons. It was an incredibly intense period of tennis, one of which we might never see again for Andy in terms of pressure. The chances of him 'doing a djoko' were realistically slim when you look at the time Djoko started his run (at the Davis Cup, season over, massive amount of time to recover and prepare for the next season, in tennis terms) to what Andy is currently dealing with.
If he's not bothered about it then so what, the US Open is what is important, and we can all agree on that.
His masters form has been disappointing this year, I think he'll do well to retain half those points found in Aisa too this year. But a good US and Tour Finals performance, and he'll still be in the mix. Next season, he'll have the chance to improve in all those masters too, they'll be there for the taking.
So don't panic, the Olympic Champions ok. ;)
Nevermind his knee, Andys been dealing with pretty serious back problems all year too. The grass court season stretch was all the more remarkable for it that he was able to stay healthy throughout.
Shame that Andy lost but totally agree Sam. Also, I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure there was a report earlier in the year saying that Andy was dealing with back problems and that he was getting injections that would last him until after the Olympics, at which point he'll see what to do next. I think there's a lot going on that we don't know about. Bit worried but I'm sure Andy and his team know what they're doing.
I'm not too worried about Andy, he did the same at Queens, and probably needs the physical and mental break. The extra practice on the hard courts is probably a good thing too as is getting with Ivan. Roll on the USO!
supergran
17-08-2012, 01:04
OK He lost a match. I'm looking on the bright side, He has a little more time to prepare for the US Open where he will do well.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Andy should have rested like all Olympians are instead of globe-trotting like a headless chicken, playing one game in Canada then retired and on to Cincy, only able to put on a good show in one match and looked dead beat in the second. Federer took a week off and look at him all fresh. Nothing wrong with his knee or back as has been suggested here. Pure exhaustion, he will be fine for the Open if he takes a break.
Shame that Andy lost but totally agree Sam. Also, I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure there was a report earlier in the year saying that Andy was dealing with back problems and that he was getting injections that would last him until after the Olympics, at which point he'll see what to do next. I think there's a lot going on that we don't know about. Bit worried but I'm sure Andy and his team know what they're doing.
Makes sense - he flexed his back a few times during the match, not unusual for Andy I know, but something he did not do during the Olympics. No, on reflection he simply wasn't himself physically and therefore mentally. He gets has a distinctive "palour" when he's below par that only us die-hard fans would recognise.
RoastLamb
17-08-2012, 14:07
Andy should have rested like all Olympians are instead of globe-trotting like a headless chicken, playing one game in Canada then retired and on to Cincy, only able to put on a good show in one match and looked dead beat in the second. Federer took a week off and look at him all fresh. Nothing wrong with his knee or back as has been suggested here. Pure exhaustion, he will be fine for the Open if he takes a break.
Djokovic played just as many matches as Andy and he went on to win the very next tournament. And he looks fine in Cincy too. He didn't have the press to do like Andy did nor the whole hoopla but he's played just as much tennis.
Djokovic played just as many matches as Andy and he went on to win the very next tournament. And he looks fine in Cincy too. He didn't have the press to do like Andy did nor the whole hoopla but he's played just as much tennis.
But Djokovic wouldn't have had the adrenaline high that can only come with winning a medal. For Andy especially, it must have meant so much - it felt like a real step forward towards winning a slam. I think that's one of the things that he's had to adjust to - the inevitable come down after all the excitement of the Olympics. Plus overall Djokovic is a more consistent player outside the slams anyway, rarely losing before the QF/SF stage whereas Andy is liable to early round exits.
Andy definitely looks tired so a few days extra rest before starting practise for the USO will be a good thing.
LC the fan
17-08-2012, 16:03
Let's hope the few extra days work the magic ! Can't believe that this time yesterday I sat down to watch Andy give Chardy a tennis lesson and was shell-shocked 90 minutes later.
Andy is reported to be as fit as all the others and yet both Fed and Djoko had a long run in Montreal and yet still come up with the tennis to win matches. Just hope there is not something major that will have a long term effect either with his back or his knee
Let's hope Andy is fit - he didn't seem to be reaching comfortably for his serves yesterday. As someone has said the back treatment was meant to get him through Wimbly and the Olympics and that time has now passed.
I will always support him but I do so with a dash of realism and try to avoid idealism. The other top 3 don't tend to have these dips. IMHO it's not a good message to the field ahead of the USO that someone like Chardy can more or less brush Andy aside. Bad day at the office........ok........but he needs to limit these now or the kudos he's gained from the Wimbly final and the Olympics and thus the "presence" on the other side of the net when players face him will fast be diminished.
So please please Andy, show 'em at the USO and prove that you just wanted time to prepare.
Let's hope the few extra days work the magic ! Can't believe that this time yesterday I sat down to watch Andy give Chardy a tennis lesson and was shell-shocked 90 minutes later.
Andy is reported to be as fit as all the others and yet both Fed and Djoko had a long run in Montreal and yet still come up with the tennis to win matches. Just hope there is not something major that will have a long term effect either with his back or his knee
I guess you mean Toronto LC. Fed didn't play last week - the number of Masters tournaments he has played in the past means he can be a little more choosy about his schedule, unlike Andy.
I have a feeling that perhaps Andy will always have more ups and downs than the other top players and that we may have to accept that's just the way he is. Perhaps it reflects his personality, I don't know - but I suspect there will always be Murraycoasters and behind-the-sofa matches/moments that we as fans have become accustomed to.
Many pundits have said he has more natural talent than the others and perhaps thereby lies the problem....he will never possess that machine-like predictability that we might wish him to have. So be it, I'm prepared to be on the edge of my seat for as long as he's Andy Murray the tennis player.
I wasn't totally surprised by this but I did think he would want to get more match practice on hard courts. I wish he had stayed around in London longer now and enjoyed his medal. I understood him leaving immediately as he needed to get used to the hard courts but now he has had these problems feel that it wouldn't have hurt him to stay & enjoy the week and closing ceremony. Although the closing ceremony probably would have been tiring in itself. So, I feel sure he knows what he is doing and I expect him to go far at the US Open as long as he is healthy. :trophy: I agree that I think we will always have murraycoasters :coaster:but that is partly why I love Andy. His game is such that it isn't boring, you learn to expect the unexpected. :sofa: How boring would it be to win every match in two sets or 3 in a slam. After a while I'm sure we would get tired of it!!! Love you Andy. :big grin::swingin:
Djokovic played just as many matches as Andy and he went on to win the very next tournament. And he looks fine in Cincy too. He didn't have the press to do like Andy did nor the whole hoopla but he's played just as much tennis.
May be this is what winning a Gold Medal does to you because Serena Williams was a shadow of herself this week and lost in the 1/4F. double faulted loads, uncharacteristic of her. bet you she wins US Open. go Andy go.
jeannie13
18-08-2012, 16:28
I think Andy is probably doing the right thing. This will give him enough rest & time to adapt to the hard courts. I am expecting good results in the US Open. He'll be able to get plenty of practice sets in. His games never bore me like Nole's. Who wants an automaton!!!:tennis:
RoastLamb
18-08-2012, 16:38
May be this is what winning a Gold Medal does to you because Serena Williams was a shadow of herself this week and lost in the 1/4F. double faulted loads, uncharacteristic of her. bet you she wins US Open. go Andy go.
Doesn't explain the Bryans though. They won Rogers Cup last week and look like they're going to win Cincy too. ;)
I wasn't totally surprised by this but I did think he would want to get more match practice on hard courts. I wish he had stayed around in London longer now and enjoyed his medal. I understood him leaving immediately as he needed to get used to the hard courts but now he has had these problems feel that it wouldn't have hurt him to stay & enjoy the week and closing ceremony. Although the closing ceremony probably would have been tiring in itself. So, I feel sure he knows what he is doing and I expect him to go far at the US Open as long as he is healthy. :trophy: I agree that I think we will always have murraycoasters :coaster:but that is partly why I love Andy. His game is such that it isn't boring, you learn to expect the unexpected. :sofa: How boring would it be to win every match in two sets or 3 in a slam. After a while I'm sure we would get tired of it!!! Love you Andy. :big grin::swingin:
I am sure Andy would have loved to have stayed around in London to celebrate his gold medal with the rest of Team GB but, unfortunately, he didn't have that luxury. Unless you are Federer - who has certain exemptions because of the number of tournaments he has played - Toronto and Cincinnati are mandatory tournaments,. Without a valid excuse, Andy would have incurred penalties if he hadn't put in an appearance. Not only would he have been fined but he would have had to carry zero points for those tournaments throughout the year. He really didn't have any choice but to turn up and at least play the first round.
jeannie13
18-08-2012, 17:12
Doesn't explain the Bryans though. They won Rogers Cup last week and look like they're going to win Cincy too. ;)
You can hardly compare the Bryans to Andy.:shrug: Andy's had huge pressure on him over the last few weeks. Doubles is much easier than singles- there is 2 of them to share the burden.:rolleyes:
A little less criticism would not come amiss. Frankly I could not care less what the Bryans do or don't do!!!
My opinion.
RoastLamb
19-08-2012, 01:17
You can hardly compare the Bryans to Andy.:shrug: Andy's had huge pressure on him over the last few weeks. Doubles is much easier than singles- there is 2 of them to share the burden.:rolleyes:
A little less criticism would not come amiss. Frankly I could not care less what the Bryans do or don't do!!!
My opinion.
I was winking! i.e. being tongue in cheek ;) Hello! Of course you can't compare doubles to singles.
I was winking! i.e. being tongue in cheek ;) Hello! Of course you can't compare doubles to singles.course you can't one is played by real tennis players the other by those those not good enough to play singles
RoastLamb
19-08-2012, 18:42
course you can't one is played by real tennis players the other by those those not good enough to play singles
Not strictly true because in the "olden" days you had the likes of McEnroe and Navratilova playing both and winning both. Singles players tend to avoid doubles coz it might hinder their singles play now. Shame really. Of course they play Davis Cup and Olympics which is interesting coz Gasquet and Tsonga both won medals in doubles this year yet both were partnered with people who play singles but enjoy more success in doubles. One wonders if the two of them had played together if they'd have been successful.
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