View Full Version : SHANGHAI MASTERS 2012, FINAL: Nole Nobbles Andy for the title
When ever was an Andy win that simple??
;)
Good point, Sally.
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 11:07
Nole fighting back and Andy hasn't finished him off yet, 6 all-come on!
ok andy 2 from 2
cmonnnnnnnnnn
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:08
All about the next point. Focus Andy. Focus.
Get that first serve in. C'mon Andy!
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:09
7-7
Need an Ace Andy, keep those points shorter.
now next one two please
cmonnnnnnnn
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:09
All about the next..... OK.... but get that first serve in please.
C'mon Andy!
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:10
Andy 8-7 and another championship point.
Going to have to break Nole for it.
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:10
This time Mr. Murray. Just do it.
C'mon Andy!
50% andy 1 from 2 tho first would be great
championship poinr
cmonnnnnnnnn
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:11
8-8
this one
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david1610
14-10-2012, 11:11
Never mind. Just get the next point please. Did I say please?
C'mon ANdy!
2 from 2 andy
cmonnnnnnnnnnn
Reminds me of the first set tiebreak in USO final
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:12
Good first serve please!
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:12
9-9
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:13
Reminds me of the first set tiebreak in USO final
And we know who won that!
C'mon Andy. Next two points please! C'mon Andy!
championship point
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Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:15
10-10
Please get the MB next serve Andy.
aarg
get this one
give yourself to serve for it
cmonnnnnnnnn
2 from 2 andy
cmonnnnnnnnnn
This Murray-Djokovic rivalry is heating up (and it was hot in the first place!)
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:16
11-11
1 more on serve Andy, 1 more on Nole's serve .....
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:17
******
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:17
AaaaaaargggghhhHHH!!!!!
Forget. Compose. Respond.
C'mon Andy!
Can't remember who but someone said when this match was in its early stages that it could be within the best matches of the year, that was a very good shout!
oh well 3 sets it will have to be
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:18
2nd set Nole. Into a 3rd we go.
Andy 7'5, 6'7 and he needs to win the 3rd set to retain his title.
:sofa: Third set here we go
Aussie Andy
14-10-2012, 11:19
Tiebreaker.
1-0 ND
2-0 ND
2-1 AM
3-1 ND
3-2 AM
3-all AM
4-3 ND
4-all AM
5-4 AM
6-4 AM has TWO CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS!
Thought Andy had won, but Novak challenged. Point replayed.
6-5 ND This is so frustrating!
6-all ND
7-6 ND OW! Come on Andy!
7-all AM Whew! Come on, come on, Andy!
8-7 AM CHAMPIONSHIP POINT NO.4!
8-all
9-8 ND
9-all AM Come on Andy!
10-9 AM CHAMPIONSHIP POINT NO.5! Please, please, take this one.
10-10 ND Aaargh! Come on Andy!
11-10 ND Blast it! Oh, come on Andy!
11-all AM This is a nightmare. Where is the sofa?
12-11
Darn it! Novak wins the tiebreak! 1 set each! 7-5 to Andy, 7-6 to Novak!
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:19
Go to the toilet and look in the mirror and ..... remember the US Open please!
Mmm... Nole the big psychological winner there.
Andy has to recompose big time. Has to focus on next point and get rid of any frustration.
Even stevens. One set all.
All to play for in the third.
C'mon Andy!
i have 1 hour 10 minutes left
surley this match wont go into a fifth hour
Madeline
14-10-2012, 11:21
I too probably won't have time to see out the third set. I have to go and make lunch and then go out. Come on, Andy, FOCUS!
Aussie Andy
14-10-2012, 11:24
Andy opening the third set
15-0
30-0
30-15
40-15
40-30
Andy holds, leads 1-0.
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 11:24
Disappointing for Andy having all the mps but has to be said Nole was tough and Andy erred at the wrong time. Hopefully he can regroup and be strong in the decider, come on! Takes the first game on serve to 30. Don't know how anyone could possibly go out before the conclusion!
good hold in the circumstances
now lets look for the opportunities
cmonnnnnnnnnn
I'm a bag of nerves just watching, I wonder how Andy must be feeling on these match points. His legs must be jaded
little glimmer
cmonnnnnnnnn
Both stretching legs.........
Aussie Andy
14-10-2012, 11:27
Djokovic serving
0-15
15-15
15-30
30-30
40-30
Game Djokovic. 1-all.
sok andy
safe hold now please
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david1610
14-10-2012, 11:28
1-1 big game.
Safe hold please Andy!
close it out
now
cmonnnnnnnn
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:31
Well held, Andy!
good lad
now look for more opportunities
cmonnnnnnnnnnnn
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 11:32
Went to Deuce but Andy holds for 2-1,Andy was a bit fortunate on the first 2 pts there! Come on, try and put some pressure on Nole now.
Aussie Andy
14-10-2012, 11:32
Andy serving
15-0
30-0
30-15
30-30
40-30
40-40
Adv Murray Take it, put us out of our misery.
Game Murray. Andy leads 2-1.
okies safe hold now please
cmonnnnnnnnnn
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:39
Andy should just not pause points to challenge. Period. He rarely gets them right unless they are way out!
Trouble 30-30. Try and find a big serve please! (Or two!)
C'mon Andy!
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:40
Andy should just not pause points to challenge. Period. He rarely gets them right unless they are way out!
erm, except he got that one right ...
;)
close it out
cmonnnnnnnnnn
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:42
Argh! Andy why couldn't you have won the 2nd set when you had all those chances?????
I've got to go out now and will be on the road for 2hrs so I'll miss the end.
:sad:
tuffed it out
good lad
cmonnnnnnnnnnnn
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:42
Well held. Is it just me or Andy is hitting the ball much harder, trying to finish off the points.
Break and hold would be wonderful. In fact the next three games would be even better!
C'mon Andy!
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:43
erm, except he got that one right ...
;)
Oops.... mixed that one up!
C'mon Andy - break him now.
This match take my 1 year life
Yes I feel the same - this would be a horrible one to lose...
No joy there for Andy - let's have an esay hold.
hold now please andy
cmonnnnnnnnnnn
Sallydaisy
14-10-2012, 11:47
I have to go - Come on Muzzah!!!!
Drifted long - c'mon andy!
david1610
14-10-2012, 11:49
Oh dear! In big trouble now.
He put it long again - 15-40. Oh dear - Andy lost that rather than Nole winning it.
ok and just gotta break him straight back
This is unbearable........he's shattered poor boy...
Andy is more tired and momentum with Nole now
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 11:52
Andy looking a little weary and could well be tough now at break down,still not counting him out yet. Come on Muzzah!
little glimmer
cmonnnnnnnnnn
C'mon Andy - you can do this!
glimmering again
cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
He can still pull this back - he has to believe!
now andy must hold to give yourself oe final chance to break him
cmonnnnnnnnnnn
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 11:57
Unfortunately Andy down 5-3,really must be strong to turn this around.
I think Andy has had it - he looks shattered.
Andy looks soooooooooo tired!!!
close it out now
cmonnnnnnnnnnnnn
Fantastic point to save it!
good lad keep fighting
2 more points
cmonnnnnnnnnnn
............... and another!
one more time
cmonnnnnnnnnn
:crying::crying::crying: - and I'm exhausted!!
....... and that's it folks. Fabulous tennis - at the end Andy ran out of steam!
oh well kudos to nole
toughed it out
I feel sorry and gutted really bad after the 5 CP's!
david1610
14-10-2012, 12:04
Well congratulations to Nole. He had more energy in him at the end.
Tempting to criticise Andy but more importantly, after looking rather average after the US Open, Andy has shown, with his matches with Fed and Nole today, that he can beat them (and be beaten by them) and it reinforces that he belongs in the GS club!
patmoren
14-10-2012, 12:04
Andy had his chances and a fistful of match points but couldn't produce the big serves when he needed them. Good gfight back by Nole and an enthralling match but not to be for Andy.
What a match...........shame,shame, shame!!!!!..........Andy must be gutted!!!!
I'm gutted but andy must be feeling worse, wasn't to be. Roll on Basel
Great tennis from both of them - could have gone either way. I had a feeling Nole would win if it went to a third - the bronchial infection took it's toll in the end.
Tie-break
14-10-2012, 12:07
The one that got away. Fantastic match and all credit to Nole for hanging tough when it mattered. Andy looked so tired physically in that last set - maybe the after effects of his virus earlier in the week? Still think the crowd played a big part - chanting for Nole at every hawk-eye moment. Not very sporting.
A fantastic battle, just the tweener between them ;)
I never did believe the myth about Chinese deference, they were an uneducated (in tennis) bunch.
Andy should've finished Djokovic off in the second set. Shame.
scrapaddict
14-10-2012, 12:09
Tough match but never feel so bad when he loses to Nole who came back so well today. Andy seemed to be clutching his back a bit - hope he's fit for London! Well played Andy
And of course Nole wore red which then Chinese reckon a lucky colour!
hfwardhouse
14-10-2012, 12:12
So disappointing - got home in time to see the end of the tiebreak. Such a shame - I'm sure the virus had an effect at the end of that 3rd set - Andy looked exhausted and did seem to be struggling.
But a great week and Andy really did well to get to the final considering how poorly he was at the start of the week. Well done Andy - and good luck in Basel.
Finding this loss very upsetting as really felt with 5 MP's that that should have been Andy's match... :(
One consolation - I'd rather Novak completed a successful comeback against Andy HERE rather than at the Olympics or US Open! ;)
Take care... :)
Credit where credit's due......gutted also but I agree, I'm sure Andy was physically affected by the virus. One can't help thinking about all those CPs he couldn't take though and Andy is usually so reliable serving out matches. I was sure he'd got this one in the bag.
Ah well, can't win 'em all as they say....
Finding this loss very upsetting as really felt with 5 MP's that that should have been Andy's match... :(
One consolation - I'd rather Novak completed a successful comeback against Andy HERE rather than at the Olympics or US Open! ;)
Take care... :)much rarther see him lose a match where he had a bucket load of chances than lose meekly
JAMES4578
14-10-2012, 12:16
Gutted Andy didn't win after being so near, but still a great effort and credit to Nole for being so gutsy when it mattered. Just pity Andy seemed to be struggling physcially near the end. Think the virus was a factor. A hat trick in Shanghai would've been great but the consolation is that the Us Open is more important.
Well... some sublime tennis by both, a grindy match.
Hope that quad tweak was just cramp...
So disappointing - got home in time to see the end of the tiebreak. Such a shame - I'm sure the virus had an effect at the end of that 3rd set - Andy looked exhausted and did seem to be struggling.
But a great week and Andy really did well to get to the final considering how poorly he was at the start of the week. Well done Andy - and good luck in Basel.
Yeah that final game - there was no joy from him at points won... exhausting spin around Shanghai...
Europe beckons thankfully !
Questions will be asked, oh he's done that twice now in two tournaments, letting Match Points slip.
But here's how I see it, he shouldn't have lost that match to Raonic, but he had every right to lose that match today.
Novak does so well to hang in there, Andy might be the best defensive player currently, but when the worlds on top of you, I'd put my money on Novak to come up with the goods when it really matters.
Tie Breaks, in the loosest term, are a bit of a lottery. It was a real shame Andy couldn't have put that one to bed when he was on serve at 5-4.
I thought he did pretty well to hang in in the third set, but as soon as he was broke, you could see his body deflate, he didn't have anything left in him.
A real pity that he couldn't defend his title, but he was limited by his illness this time.
I'm hoping he doesn't bother with Basel now. Whats to gain from it really when Paris starts the day after? He can afford to take more time off now at home and then make the short flight to France. I'm still tipping him to win in London this time.
Sorry, but that's a choke for me in the second set followed by a shocking attitude in the 3rd..
I hope he doesn't play Basel too but, as he ducked out last year, he might feel he has to. As for your comment Hawkeye - it's not worth responding to.
Sorry, but that's a choke for me in the second set followed by a shocking attitude in the 3rd..
It's hard to say you've choked against Djokovic. It's a really merciless thing to say when you think about it.
rainy days
14-10-2012, 12:33
I'm really disappointed. Not in Andy, just that he lost. Having 5 MPs should have done the trick. Hopefully, he will be able to move forward as quickly as possible.
Bring on Basel then.
david1610
14-10-2012, 12:35
Forty eight hours ago I did not feel Andy had been playing very good tennis since the USO. In the mean time he has beaten the world number 1 without too much fuss, and lost in the longest ATP (three set) final of the year to the world number 2. Of all the players to lose to after holding MPs, Nole is the one it is least worst to do so.
Bit of perspective folks! I do not hold back with criticism of Andy if I think it is needed, but I feel a lot more confident about Andy's game than I did 48 hours ago.
I only saw half the last set, when he was obviously exhausted. Looking forward to watching the recording of the first two sets - I was snatching peeks at the scoreboard during the sermon!:shamed:
If it had to be Nole's turn, much better here than at the Olympics or US Open. Hopefully it will be Andy's turn again in London!
david1610
14-10-2012, 12:41
At least while the legendary Heather Watson is winning titles, Andy has the media pressure off him and can reach finals and gain more experience :)
It's hard to say you've choked against Djokovic. It's a really merciless thing to say when you think about it.thats why he is known as ming the merciless by his fellow Arabs
hfwardhouse
14-10-2012, 12:49
I only saw half the last set, when he was obviously exhausted. Looking forward to watching the recording of the first two sets - I was snatching peeks at the scoreboard during the sermon!:shamed:
If it had to be Nole's turn, much better here than at the Olympics or US Open. Hopefully it will be Andy's turn again in London!
:shocked: :rolling:
Erm ... I resisted during the sermon but did have a peek at the start of the children's address ;)
pippadaisy
14-10-2012, 13:18
Can't say I was disapointed with that game cause i wasn't
Disapointed for Andy yes disapointed in him never.
He looked exhausted in that 2nd set and Nole was brilliant saving these CP s
Andy also saved set points and CPs brilliantly
and if he was also not well , well even better
Get yourself fit Andy, miss Basel if you need to
Save yourself for London, remember Olympic champion and USO champion back to back
:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
It's a tough loss to take when Andy had so many championship points but at the same time credit has to go to Novak for playing those points so well. Perhaps on a couple of points Andy could have done things differently but on the whole Novak earnt them rather than Andy choking away a lead.
Overall though it was a very high quality final with Andy crushing the ball at times. He probably still needs a bit more practise at playing this way before it becomes second nature to him (he was making quite a few forehand errors today) but showed today just how effective it is, combined with the variety he can play with. In the third set he was visibly tired, no doubt because of the virus he's been suffering, but he's done so well to get as far as he has this week. It's going to be fascinating watching future matches between Novak and Andy - they really are such tight, tense affairs because of each player's incredible return game.
I was not disappointed in Andy's play - even though he did miss the CP opportunities. This was fantastic tennis - kudos to them both. Andy looked like he was running on empty by the end physically. What did disappoint me and I think it may have been to do with probably feeling below par and therefore also running on empty mentally, was the incessant chuntering to himself again. I feel if ever it showed what a negative effect this has on his game, it was today. He needed to save all his energy for the points rather than remonstrating with himself in between.
It's a pity he wasn't able to set down a marker to Nole ahead of London but I don't think Andy will be overly disappointed - he played his heart out and couldn't really have asked more of himself in the circs. Nole definitely had a nervy first set - so fears Andy IMHO. I don't think this one win will have massively changed that. He must know he got out of jail......just.
I just hope Andy now gives this virus time to pass through his system, or he's not going to be fit for Paris or the O2.
Despite the defeat, well done Andy (and Novak), it was a great match with wonderful shots ;) I hope Andy will win Paris and London (Am I greedy?^^)
Paris is the last Masters 1 000 of the year, not well scheduled in the season, as most top players are "exhausted" or "injuried", besides there is London just after, so most of the time, an outsider won, except in 2009 and last year ;)
Good luck for Basel =)
These two guys are easily the best in the world at the moment. Nole swatted Berdych in the semi and Andy swatted Fed and yet it was pistols at dawn between the two of them today. Andy is bound to be disappointed but I'm sure he will very quickly put the match into perspective.
I was not disappointed in Andy's play - even though he did miss the CP opportunities. This was fantastic tennis - kudos to them both. Andy looked like he was running on empty by the end physically. What did disappoint me and I think it may have been to do with probably feeling below par and therefore also running on empty mentally, was the incessant chuntering to himself again. I feel if ever it showed what a negative effect this has on his game, it was today. He needed to save all his energy for the points rather than remonstrating with himself in between.
It's a pity he wasn't able to set down a marker to Nole ahead of London but I don't think Andy will be overly disappointed - he played his heart out and couldn't really have asked more of himself in the circs. Nole definitely had a nervy first set - so fears Andy IMHO. I don't think this one win will have massively changed that. He must know he got out of jail......just.
I just hope Andy now gives this virus time to pass through his system, or he's not going to be fit for Paris or the O2.ironic that the chuntering about chuntering only turns up when andy lose a match, sadly i feel obliged to point out yet again that andy has chuntered his way to far more wins than loses
can i pose a question almost without exception andys grumbles are about a poor shot he feels he should have done much better at, which to me just illustrates what a perfectionist he is so the question is where do we think andy would be without this drive for perfection ( HINT: Britain's number 2(literally ;)) is ranked somewhere in the 200s)
Tie-break
14-10-2012, 13:53
Can't wait for the rematch (involving a healthier Andy). What about the final of the WTF??
Golden Lady
14-10-2012, 13:57
I watched the match and it was incredible tennis a times, truly breathtaking. Sad for Andy that he didn't win but you have to hand it to Nole for hanging in there and playing the big points so well. For me the match just proves that we have so much to look forward to in the coming months. Very very proud of Andy.
supergran
14-10-2012, 14:18
Very proud of Andy and sad for him that he didn't get the hat-trick. But he had a good tournament, beating Fed and not being put off, and playing so well. Nole was outstanding when the match points were against him. It was an exciting match with some brilliant tennis from both and if this is what we have to look forward to then bring it on. When you consider that Andy was suffering from a viral infection he did exceptionally well and all I can say is.... onwards and upwards Andy....will always support you!:clap::clap:
supergran
14-10-2012, 14:24
Forgot to say this. Anyone got a link to Presentation/speeches/presser? Sky went straight to rugby after match.
LC the fan
14-10-2012, 14:26
Very disappointed for Andy but so proud of the way he played in the first 2 sets. He obviously had Novak worried and it took the champion that Novak is to hold him off the match points.
Chuntering ??? Didn't think there was so very much and Novak was doing a fair bit himself.
To be honest its a long time since I've seen Andy look so exhausted - I think the emotion of playing Fed, the after effects of a cold and the mammoth effort of the match just left him totally drained.
Get yourself rested and restored Andy - if I'd had to choose between a third Shanghai title and the O2 title it would have been the second without doubt. Rest, restore and Focus - lets see you champ at the O2
david1610
14-10-2012, 14:33
ironic that the chuntering about chuntering only turns up when andy lose a match, sadly i feel obliged to point out yet again that andy has chuntered his way to far more wins than loses )
FWIW I am one of the biggest complainers about chuntering and I do not think it had anything to do with the loss today. I do not like it when it clearly effects him in points which come AFTER the chuntering. I do not really think that was the case today. They were after certain points, about certain points, and were gone after the following point. The dangerous chuntering is when it sets his mood for a much longer period of time.
I also do not feel too sad about the defeat today. I would have been extremely sad if Andy had lost to somebody like Stephanek.
Something positive happened in the last 48 hours. Although he did not beat Nole today, I think the last 48 hours showed that Andy can certainly beat the world's no. 1 and no. 2 in successive matches, and that is the next step towards multiple GSs. I agree with a previous comment that Andy needs a couple more matches like this to make this style of play his more automatically, feel he can tweak this or that,etc, etc.
Bottom line: the real comfort from the loss today is what the last 48 hours has shown for future GSs.
I'm still really gutted, but only because of the five cp's that went begging. Knowing Andy was physically below par (a bronchial infection surely = bronchitis) I didn't expect him to beat Fed but when he did, I thought he might, just might get through Nole too - but really it was a big ask.
I was too nervous to watch the match live (though I recorded it - I often do this then watch afterwards when he's won). However I will watch it back when I'm calmer! Every time I saw he had a champs point I thought, okay he will do it, so it's hard to believe he didn't. I do hope he gets things ito perspective and doesn't allow his confidence to be dented.
Next year will be very interesting - It looks like the main rivalry will be between these two with Fed gradually in decline (IMHO). It will take Rafa a while to get back to his best and although there are youngsters like Raonic and Nishikori coming up fast - I don't think they will have the consistency for a while to challenge these two on a permanent basis. At 25 Andy and Nole are at their peak and still getting better, Andy knows he can improve even more and will need to in order to achieve the next goal of being world number one. Let Nole have it for a bit, then.....how sweet it will be when his turn comes.
Would it have made a difference if Lendl had been there today? We'll never know.
RoastLamb
14-10-2012, 15:18
Sucks!!! :crying:
And as for that crowd! :furious:
LC the fan
14-10-2012, 15:27
I wondered if Lendl's presence would have made a difference too, Reef. I think Andy is so much improved in both his tennis and his belief but that confidence can still be dented.
I hope that Ivan will have recorded the match - sure that he has - and can discuss it with Andy. Not that I think he did much wrong but that presence in the box can be worth key points. I just hope he's there at the O2
Been out all day, so just found out the result.
What a shame - looks as though it was close.
Off to read all about it.
I have not watched the match yet and only usually watch replays when he wins but just recently I have been able to watch ones he loses as well because it is always such a joy to see those incredible shots. I am so looking forward to this rivalry, which has always been there but not so obvious. I feel that now Andy will not be affected by these sort of losses and that he will be able to take on Rafa more often. It fascinates me how Andy uses his brain on court to counteract incoming shots.
I hope that if he is still unwell he will take a rest and not do Basel. If he is okay he only needs to make the final to make up most of his lost points. I take my hat off to him for playing so well most of us would probably not get out of bed if we had a virus. He does not need to do Basel as he has played his quota of 500's already. He probably will have to play Paris as it is a mandatory Masters. Just hope his is okay this year for WTF.
Havent seen any of this either , have to watch a replay . Too bad , but not devestating.
Was the crowd pro Djoko
FWIW I am one of the biggest complainers about chuntering and I do not think it had anything to do with the loss today. I do not like it when it clearly effects him in points which come AFTER the chuntering. I do not really think that was the case today. They were after certain points, about certain points, and were gone after the following point. The dangerous chuntering is when it sets his mood for a much longer period of time.
I also do not feel too sad about the defeat today. I would have been extremely sad if Andy had lost to somebody like Stephanek.
Something positive happened in the last 48 hours. Although he did not beat Nole today, I think the last 48 hours showed that Andy can certainly beat the world's no. 1 and no. 2 in successive matches, and that is the next step towards multiple GSs. I agree with a previous comment that Andy needs a couple more matches like this to make this style of play his more automatically, feel he can tweak this or that,etc, etc.
Bottom line: the real comfort from the loss today is what the last 48 hours has shown for future GSs.they are the only two matches i have seen this week and have been impressed with this andy, losing a tight match against nole is far more rewarding that first round(2nd actually) to bogomolov, young or mahut
Well that sounds quite a match! All those mp's too - soooo close. Only the odd point here and there to separate these two it seems.
(While we're upset at Novak saving all those mp's, earlier on today we were so pleased that Heather managed to do the same!)
RoastLamb
14-10-2012, 17:18
Was the crowd pro Djoko
98% Unbelievable. I guess they were still ticked that he took out dear Mr Fed.
ironic that the chuntering about chuntering only turns up when andy lose a match, sadly i feel obliged to point out yet again that andy has chuntered his way to far more wins than loses
can i pose a question almost without exception andys grumbles are about a poor shot he feels he should have done much better at, which to me just illustrates what a perfectionist he is so the question is where do we think andy would be without this drive for perfection ( HINT: Britain's number 2(literally ;)) is ranked somewhere in the 200s)
OK, to clarify.....I rewatched his match yesterday with Mr P and having ff'd through most service preps, end changes, adverts etc the first time, it was only watching it again that I realised how much Andy had talked to himself - but it was not negative. Today I felt he had the old aura about him - to be fair, probably not feeling 100% didn't help, so it's not so much a criticism as an observation - he slumped his shoulders at times, made negative gestures and chuntered much more than yesterday. Upshot? Well either the chuntering had a negative effect over all, or, it was simply a manifestation of the way he was feeling already. But I definitely didn't think he looked as positive for as much of the time as he has recently. Just saying........
In fact it's good because it means the very very best Andy didn't turn up, so bring on the next match against Nole.
Guerkins2
14-10-2012, 18:19
Very proud of Andy and sad for him that he didn't get the hat-trick. But he had a good tournament, beating Fed and not being put off, and playing so well. Nole was outstanding when the match points were against him. It was an exciting match with some brilliant tennis from both and if this is what we have to look forward to then bring it on. When you consider that Andy was suffering from a viral infection he did exceptionally well and all I can say is.... onwards and upwards Andy....will always support you!:clap::clap:
Totally agree. It was a brilliant match, both guys deserve huge congratulations for providing such wonderful entertainment. It was a great display of talent and athleticsm.
Does anyone know what's up next for Andy? I know he's due to play Basel but, I'm hoping he pulls out and rests well for Paris or at the very least heads home before travelling to Basel rather going there direct from Shanghai. A couple of days at home will do him the world of good in terms of regrouping.
Had to leave the match after Nole got the 2nd set so was so sad that Andy didn't win the third. No discredit to him I'm sure, but gutted he couldn't convert one of the MP's he had in the second. It's wonderful watching the high quality, entertaining tennis that Andy and Novak give us - real battles, and, what seems to be, great respect ( and off court friendship?) between the two players. Did Andy run out of energy in the last set, especially as he hasn't been too well all week? He looked rather drawn. Congrats to Novak for the win. He's a nice guy. Hope Andy recovers quickly and doesn't overdo it before the O2. Now I need a glass of wine! :wino:
hfwardhouse
14-10-2012, 19:16
On reflection, I think Andy's late match against Fed also counted against him - I'm sure Nole put his extra rest time to good use - combine that with the virus and the length of this match - I think Andy did brilliantly to cope. I am so excited about this rivalry - the end of the season and the 2013 season are going to be such a lot of fun - loads of rematches, and I'm sure they'll swing one way then the other - they are very closely matched these two - they know each other so well, they know each other's game so well, they'll have lots more ding dong matches like this one was. Nole upped his level when he needed to and Andy does that too when he can. Today, he just didn't manage it but there's such a lot to look forward to!
On reflection, I think Andy's late match against Fed also counted against him - I'm sure Nole put his extra rest time to good use - combine that with the virus and the length of this match - I think Andy did brilliantly to cope. I am so excited about this rivalry - the end of the season and the 2013 season are going to be such a lot of fun - loads of rematches, and I'm sure they'll swing one way then the other - they are very closely matched these two - they know each other so well, they know each other's game so well, they'll have lots more ding dong matches like this one was. Nole upped his level when he needed to and Andy does that too when he can. Today, he just didn't manage it but there's such a lot to look forward to!
I agree, really looking forward to the future. I was not expecting Andy to beat Fed due to the virus and was so happy that he managed to win but I still felt if the final went to three sets Nole would win purely because of the virus. I feel that if it had not been because of that he would have won today. He was soooo close. So proud of him and I don't think the chuntering hurt him today, the after effects of the virus did. He may be a little disappointed but i think he will know he was not 100% and move on.
Shame that Andy lost but sounded like a great (and long!) match. Onwards and upwards and hopefully he'll recover from his virus and do fantastic at Paris and O2.
He really should withdraw from Basel though, he needs to rest. Puzzled as to why he's entered Basel though, he's made his quota of 4 500 events and doesn't need to play more - Paris and the O2 are more important.
Hoping for the same, withdrawal from Basel is better in the long run. Five tournaments in around six weeks is a huge ask (and an unnecessary one at that too). Fortunately, he himself has said Paris and London are his main focus so there's a chance he'll drop Basel.
I think he probably only entered Basel because he had promised he would when he had to duck out with injury last year. From what I can remember Fed was particularly scathing about Andy's late withdrawal. My guess is andy will feel duty bound to put in an appearance.
Aussie Andy
14-10-2012, 21:50
My computer went down at the beginning of the third set, and I couldn't get it to work properly until after the match. Deeply disappointed, as Andy had 5 Championship points, but he played well. Congratulations to Novak, not easy to eke out a match like that and turn it around.
I think he probably only entered Basel because he had promised he would when he had to duck out with injury last year. From what I can remember Fed was particularly scathing about Andy's late withdrawal. My guess is andy will feel duty bound to put in an appearance.
Surely his team will get him to see the benefits of not playing v Fed's snark comments??(especially given that Andy only recently whooped him in Asia. Fed should be grateful if Andy withdraws IMO) at the very least, I hope he takes two-three days at home before flying out there...better than nothing.
Hard luck Andy! So so close! I guess I would have been more upset if the USO and Olympic victories were still not so fresh in my mind
I foresee many Novandy finals in the future and really depending on the circumstances could go either way!
Tbh after the tough week Andy has had with illness which could have affected him as well in 3rd set, reaching the final is my too shabby at all :)
Sallydaisy
15-10-2012, 10:41
Had to leave the match after Nole got the 2nd set so was so sad that Andy didn't win the third. No discredit to him I'm sure, but gutted he couldn't convert one of the MP's he had in the second.
I was in the same boat as you Jennie and had to leave when they were still 2-2 in the 3rd set.
Andy had so many chances to take the match in the 2nd set so to my mind he 'lost' this one. Perhaps the effects of the virus were still with him but at the end of the day he had 5 Championship points and didn't take them mainly because he couldn't find that little bit needed to get past a resurgent opponent who wasn't giving up!
Nole played well at times but not consistently and IMO Andy should have nobbled Nole when he had all those opportunities rather than it end up the other way around. There's no doubt that these 2 know how to defend when seemingly down and out and on this occasion it was the Serb player who held his nerve and toughed it out to take the 2nd set. I think after that Andy's 'under the weatherness' really kicked in and, from the posts on here, he had little left by way of resistance against his opponent who had gained confidence after levelling the match at 1 set all.
It's wonderful watching the high quality, entertaining tennis that Andy and Novak give us - real battles, and, what seems to be, great respect ( and off court friendship?) between the two players. Did Andy run out of energy in the last set, especially as he hasn't been too well all week? He looked rather drawn. Congrats to Novak for the win. He's a nice guy.
They do don't they??? And in spades.
I thought Andy played very well in the first set and had Djokovic on the run and he kept it going in the 2nd set but Novak had picked up his own game. The pair produce some incredible tennis and I wasn't surprised the match took so long (as did their previous meeting at the USO).
I think both were determined to try and win for their own reasons:-
- Nole to regain the #1 ranking and probably because he wasn't best pleased that Andy had beaten him so soundly in the Olympics Semi and then again beating him to the US Open title.
- Andy wanted to retain his Shanghai crown and cement his place as someone that the other players HAD to beat and to build on the confidence he must feel since winning his maiden Grand Slam.
I believe we're in for a few more years of these 2 at the top and facing each other in Finals.
On this occasion I think fought back from a 1 set deficit to win and he deserved it.
Better luck next time Muzzah....
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I didn't get to see the match live and I forgot to set the sky+ (remembered half way through the match!) but I watched the highlights later in the day. And what highlights!! I absolutely LOVE watching these 2 play each other. The new Fed / Rafa rivalry for sure but more brutal!
I am always sad when Andy loses but this was sooo close and Andy is not losing lamely. The last few matches between them have gone to the wire and I cannot wait to see what happens next year!! Andy really is playing awesome tennis now, which win or lose is sooo exciting to watch.
Proud to be a Murray fan right now but always have and always will be.
dewster99
15-10-2012, 12:19
not certain but is this the first time ever that andy has lost a match having had MPs?
traveller7
15-10-2012, 12:38
Although disappointing losing and not defending his title judging by comments it was a very close match (I had to follow on twitter) and his attitude to losing is very positive too. Onwards and upwards.
RoastLamb
15-10-2012, 12:54
Really got irritated by Djokovic's tweets yesterday congratulating himself. ARGH!
not certain but is this the first time ever that andy has lost a match having had MPs?
Certainly not 5 - but I guess it's all experience for Andy and another for the archives as I'm sure he won't let that happen again. Although I've recorded the match, I still can't bear to watch it yet. However, against any other player, I'm sure Andy would have converted, however physically depleted he was, but Nole had played the whole tournament exceptionally well. He deserves to be No 1 but Andy is, and will continue to be, hot on his tail and next year - well, you never know.
With hindsight, it's not surprising he is low on energy and prone to catching bugs after his massive achievements this Summer. Nole never experienced the hard slog to get his first GS like Andy has, so today I think I have things more in perspective after yesterday's disappointment. How could he not be mentally and physically tired?
Really got irritated by Djokovic's tweets yesterday congratulating himself. ARGH!
Why - what did he say?
not certain but is this the first time ever that andy has lost a match having had MPs?
I think it's actually his second defeat in a row where he's had match points. He had match points against Raonic in Osaka just a couple of weeks ago.
I wouldn't read anything into that though. It's just sometimes how the cards fall. And Djokovic seems very good at playing match points that he faces, to put it mildly. I wouldn't be surprised if some stat on that front puts him way ahead the rest of the players - at a rough guess maybe he's won 8-9 out of the 20 or so match points that he has faced this season (that is categorically a guess though!)
banskogirl
15-10-2012, 18:52
I got to see the first set and almost all of the 2nd but then I left for church. I was about 90% sure Andy would win and was disappointed to hear he had been so close. Since then I have watched a few clips of what I missed and it looked like they continued to play amazing tennis. Someone has to win and some someone has to lose, I am just glad Andy is playing so well and winning so much that this is not the horrible loss it could have been. I know which trophy I would rather Andy had in his house! :)
just a thought but andy will learn more from that defeat than from wrapping up a third shanghai title. if he'd won it wd just be a nice straight sets defeat of nole, very satisfying, but to lose to nole, staring matchpoints down,is a proper facer - like the man says, it's winning the last point that counts.
just a thought but andy will learn more from that defeat than from wrapping up a third shanghai title. if he'd won it wd just be a nice straight sets defeat of nole, very satisfying, but to lose to nole, staring matchpoints down,is a proper facer - like the man says, it's winning the last point that counts.erm :confused: 42!
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