SHANGHAI MASTERS 2011, 9-16 October: Main Thread and Entry Lists

[Sallydaisy]

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SHANGHAI ROLEX MASTERS
Qizhong Tennis Center, No. 5500 Yan Jian Road, Minhang District, Shanghai 201111 PR ChinaWEB SITE: http://www.shanghairolexmasters.com (http://www.shanghairolexmasters.com/)

Dates: OCTOBER 9-16, 2011 (Sunday Start)
Prize Money: US $3,240,000)
SURFACE: Hard court
BALL: Head
56 MAIN DRAW/28 QUALIFYING DRAW
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Qualifying draw: Friday, October 7, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw: Saturday, October 8, 10:30 a.m.
Doubles draw: Saturday, October 8, 6:00 p.m.

ATP Ranking Points for reaching:-
W: 1000, F: 600, SF: 360, QF: 180, R16: 90, R32: 45 (Seeds 1-8: 10), R64: 10 (WC: 0).
Q: +25, Q14: 14, Q28: 0

SINGLES DRAW
Entry deadline and ranking on August 29, 2011
Seeding and ranking on October 3, 2011

Nadal [1] - BYE
Garcia-Lopez v Devvarman
Gulbis v Nalbandian
Fognini v F. Mayer [15]
Tipsarevic [9] v F. Lopez
Bogomolov v Granollers
Zhang v Stepanek
Berdych [6]- BYE

Ferrer [3] - BYE
Raonic v Llodra
Youzhny v Ferrero
Li v Verdasco [16]
Roddick [10] v Q Lu
Q Ihlan v Dimitrov
Q Bohli v Robredo
Almagro [7] - BYE

Fish [5] - BYE
Anderson v Tomic
Q Ramos v Cilic
Kubot v Dologopolov [12]
Melzer [14]v Ljubicic
Dodig v Giraldo
Haase v Nishikori
Tsonga [4] - BYE

Simon [8] - BYE
Kukushkin v Montanes
Andujar v Q Ebden
Q Harrison v Troicki [11]
Wawrinka [13] v Monaco
Gong v Q Young
Bellucci v Tursunov
Murray [2] - BYE

[Sallydaisy]

DOUBLES DRAW
Advance entry deadline: September 26, 2011
On-site entry deadline: October 8, 2011
Seeding: October 3, 2011

(1)Bryan/Bryan v Bye
Granollers/Troicki v Knowles/Lubot
Gong/Li v Robredo/Tursunov
Bye v (6)Fyrstenberg/Matkowski

(3)Llodra/Zimonjic v Bye
Bolelli/Fognini v Wu/Zhang
Butorac/Rojer v Berdych/Stepanek
Bye v (8)Lindstedt/Tecau

(5)Melzer/Petzschner v Bye
Bellucci/Dodig v Lopez/Verdasco
Kas/Peya v Lopez/Nadal
Bye v (4)Bhupathi/Paes

(7)Bopanna/Qureshi v Bye
Almagro/Soares v Anderson/Lipsky
Marach/Tipsarevic v Bogomolov Jr./Ram
Bye v (2)Mirnyi/Nestor

[Alis]

Is Novak still playing in Shanghai? I thought I had heard that he had withdrawn.

[Linda]

I had heard that both Fed and Nole had withdrawn.

[RoastLamb]

I had heard Fed had defo withdrawn but Djoko is still thinking about playing depending on his back therapy.

[Sallydaisy]

Monfils is out of Beijing and Shanghai with a right knee problem per this tweet.
Could mess up his chances of making it into the World Tour Finals.

Info L'Equipe : Gaël Monfils forfait pour Pékin et Shanghai (genou droit)

There's rather a lot of top players who are not going to be in Shanghai; doesn't bode well for the players meeting ref the schedule.

[Alis]

Monfils is out of Beijing and Shanghai with a right knee problem per this tweet.
Could mess up his chances of making it into the World Tour Finals.


There's rather a lot of top players who are not going to be in Shanghai; doesn't bode well for the players meeting ref the schedule.

mmmmmmmmm makes you wonder if it's a deliberate ploy with some - surely not!

[david1610]

There's rather a lot of top players who are not going to be in Shanghai; doesn't bode well for the players meeting ref the schedule.
Hope they realise that the strike is not already on! :)
Sally when you have a moment you might like to look at the doubles list and alternates 11 and 12

[Maza1987]

As expected, Djok withdraws.

[Alis]

Does anyone know when the draw is being made for Shanghai?

[Sallydaisy]

Does anyone know when the draw is being made for Shanghai?
Qualifying draw: Friday, October 7, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw: Saturday, October 8, 10:30 a.m. (3.30am UK)
Doubles draw: Saturday, October 8, 6:00 p.m.

[pabbers]

Qualifying draw: Friday, October 7, 9:00 p.m.
Main draw: Saturday, October 8, 10:30 a.m. (3.30am UK)
Doubles draw: Saturday, October 8, 6:00 p.m.

Ooooo so we'll wake up to the draw tomorrow then :thumbup:

[Hawkeye]

Draw (http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/5014/mds.pdf) is out!

[Sallydaisy]

Andy's 1/8th of the draw

Wawrinka v Monaco
Gong v Qualifier
Bellucci v Tursunov
Bye v Andy Murray (2)

link (http://i.imgur.com/pHs5x.jpg)to pretty piccy of drawsheet

Seeded for last 16 places in the bottom half are these 8
Fish (3) v Dolly, Tsonga v Melzer Simon v Troicki, Wawrinka v Murray (2)

[Alis]

Doesn't look like a bad draw for Andy.

[RoastLamb]

Just hope he gets some decent rest between tomorrow and his first match. Hope he's not playing dubs.

[JAMES4578]

Think it's a reasonable draw but of couse it'll depends on his energy after he's got deep 2 weeks in a row and played doubles in Tokyo too. Think he surey will concentrate on the singles here.

[LC the fan]

You're right - that doesn't look too bad at all., although I hate to tempt fate
He may come in to Shangai pretty tired or well fired up. He seems to be better after a stretch in the early rounds and Tursunov maybe just what he needs.

GOOD LUCK ANDY :flowers:

[Alis]

Does anyone know if it's being televised next week?

[Maza1987]

^^it should be on sky.

[pabbers]

Does anyone know if it's being televised next week?

According to my Radio Times it's deffo on Sky! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!:cheer::cheer::cheer:

[cazza99]

According to my Radio Times it's deffo on Sky! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!:cheer::cheer::cheer:


Coverage starts at 7.00 am and finishes around 3.00 pm. Its on SS1 Mon - Thursday and then SS2 on Friday.

[RoastLamb]

No more getting up in the middle of the night during this tourney coz my tv is actually showing it but during the day. So it'll be on tape delay but I'll take that over getting no sleep.

[Hawkeye]

All the Masters 1000 series are on Sky, and Betfair.

[Sallydaisy]

OOP SUNDAY, 9 OCTOBER, 2011

STADIUM start 2:00 pm
Qualifying - D Young (USA) vs M Zverev (GER)
Qualifying - Y Lu (TPE) vs S Bolelli (ITA)
Not Before 6:00 PM = 11am UK
F Fognini (ITA) vs [15] F Mayer (GER)
Not Before 8:00 PM
[13] S Wawrinka (SUI) vs J Monaco (ARG)

GRANDSTAND start 12:00 noon
Qualifying - F Cipolla (ITA) vs M Ilhan (TUR)
Qualifying - P Petzschner (GER) vs F Serra (FRA) or M Ebden (AUS)
Qualifying - P Capdeville (CHI) or S Galvani (ITA) vs S Bohli (SUI) or G Zemlja (SLO)

SHOW COURT start 12:00 noon
Qualifying - A Ramos (ESP) vs R De Voest (RSA)
Qualifying - R Harrison (USA) vs T Gabashvili (RUS)

[Linda]

Doubles draw is up http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2011/5014/mdd.pdf - do we have a separate thread for Shanghai doubles or not? The Murrays aren't playing.

[Sallydaisy]

If Jamie isn't playing we'd normally not have a separate thread for doubles; there's room on this general thread if we want to post here.

[Sallydaisy]

MONDAY, 10 OCTOBER, 2011
Shanghai is 7hrs ahead of BST.

STADIUM start 2:00 pm (7am UK)
[WC] D Nalbandian (ARG) DEF E Gulbis (LAT)
[10] A Roddick (USA) DEF [Q] Y Lu (TPE)
Not Before 6:00 PM
[16] F Verdasco (ESP) DEF [WC] Z Li (CHN)
Not Before 8:00 PM
J Ferrero (ESP) DEF M Youzhny (RUS)

GRANDSTAND start 2:00 pm (7am UK)
B Tomic (AUS) DEF K Anderson (RSA)
T Robredo (ESP) DEF [Q] S Bohli (SUI)
[Q] D Young (USA) DEF [WC] M Gong (CHN)
Not Before 6:00 PM
S Giraldo (COL) DEF I Dodig (CRO)

SHOW COURT start 1:00 pm (6am UK)
G Garcia-Lopez (ESP) DEF S Devvarman (IND)
G Dimitrov (BUL) DEF [Q] M Ilhan (TUR)
M Granollers (ESP) / V Troicki (SRB) DEF M Knowles (BAH) / L Kubot (POL)
S Bolelli (ITA) / F Fognini (ITA) vs [WC] D Wu (CHN) / Z Zhang (CHN)

COURT 4 start 1:00 pm (6am UK)
A Montanes (ESP) DEF M Kukushkin (KAZ)
[Q] M Ebden (AUS) DEF P Andujar (ESP)
O Marach (AUT) / J Tipsarevic (SRB) DEF A Bogomolov Jr. (USA) / R Ram (USA)

[Aussie Andy]

If you can spare any congratulations, Bernard Tomic and Matthew Ebden of Australia won their respective matches.

[JAMES4578]

Well done Tomic and Ebden!

[Sallydaisy]

Todays results so far (rubbish for my Bracket challenge!)

[WC] D Nalbandian (ARG) DEF E Gulbis (LAT)
B Tomic (AUS) DEF K Anderson (RSA)
G Garcia-Lopez (ESP) DEF S Devvarman (IND)
G Dimitrov (BUL) DEF [Q] M Ilhan (TUR)
A Montanes (ESP) DEF M Kukushkin (KAZ)
[Q] M Ebden (AUS) DEF P Andujar (ESP)

[10] A Roddick (USA) vs [Q] Y Lu (TPE) in progress - Roddick 6'2, 3'6

Roddick is struggling a bit against Lu who beat him in 2010 at Wimbledon.

[Madeline]

The Duck came through 6-2 in the third.

[Sallydaisy]

OOP FOR SHANGHAI - TUESDAY, 11 OCTOBER, 2011
Andy's not playing, they're completing the R1 matches and making a start on R2.

STADIUM start 2:00 pm
[9] J Tipsarevic (SRB) vs F Lopez (ESP)
[WC] D Nalbandian (ARG) vs [15] F Mayer (GER)
Not Before 6:00 PM
[10] A Roddick (USA) vs G Dimitrov (BUL)
Not Before 8:00 PM
[5] M Fish (USA) vs B Tomic (AUS)

GRANDSTAND start 2:00 pm
[14] J Melzer (AUT) vs I Ljubicic (CRO)
[Q] A Ramos (ESP) vs M Cilic (CRO)
M Raonic (CAN) vs M Llodra (FRA)
Not Before 6:00 PM
[8] G Simon (FRA) vs A Montanes (ESP)

SHOW COURT start 1:00 pm
C Kas (GER) / A Peya (AUT) vs M Lopez (ESP) / R Nadal (ESP)
[WC] Z Zhang (CHN) vs R Stepanek (CZE)
[Q] S Bohli (SUI) or T Robredo (ESP) vs [7] N Almagro (ESP)
[13] S Wawrinka (SUI) vs [WC] M Gong (CHN) or [Q] D Young (USA)
N Almagro (ESP) / B Soares (BRA) vs K Anderson (RSA) / S Lipsky (USA)

COURT 4 start 1:00 pm
R Haase (NED) vs K Nishikori (JPN)
L Kubot (POL) vs [12] A Dolgopolov (UKR)
[Q] R Harrison (USA) vs [11] V Troicki (SRB)
E Butorac (USA) / J Rojer (AHO) vs T Berdych (CZE) / R Stepanek (CZE)

COURT 5 start 1:00 pm
T Bellucci (BRA) vs D Tursunov (RUS) (winner plays Andy Murray in R2)
A Bogomolov Jr. (USA) vs M Granollers (ESP)
T Bellucci (BRA) / I Dodig (CRO) vs F Lopez (ESP) / F Verdasco (ESP) - After Suitable Rest
[WC] M Gong (CHN) / Z Li (CHN) vs T Robredo (ESP) / D Tursunov (RUS) - TBA

[supergran]

Restful morning...watching tennis in bed with toast and coffee!;)

[Mickey]

Looking forward to seeing Andy on Wednesday. I found it interesting to read that Rafa said that only Nole had played at the same level as Andy did on Sunday against him. Also Andy thanked Nole for setting the standard which had made him work and practise even harder to catch him up.

[Sallydaisy]

Results for Monday are marked in the OOP here (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?152-SHANGHAI-MASTERS-2011-9-16-October-Main-Thread-and-Entry-Lists&p=6951&viewfull=1#post6951)

[Guerkins2]

Looking forward to seeing Andy on Wednesday. I found it interesting to read that Rafa said that only Nole had played at the same level as Andy did on Sunday against him. Also Andy thanked Nole for setting the standard which had made him work and practise even harder to catch him up.

I have read quite a few match reports/heard interviews, but I've not seen this one, Mickey. Where did you read this one? I would be interested to see it.
Thanks

[Sallydaisy]

Seeing double (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?152-SHANGHAI-MASTERS-2011-9-16-October-Main-Thread-and-Entry-Lists&p=7285&viewfull=1#post7285) Hawkeye ........
:shades:

[patmoren]

Good that Andy has a couple of days off. Hope he is fully recovered for Wednesday. I would love to watch some more of the great play we had last week

[wriggles]

Why did we stop sky sports..why...WHY?!?! :'(...weve lasted 3 weeks without it..think im going to have to switch it back on for shanghai!

[mintsauce]

Instead of Sky you can normally rely on getting a livestream - I always go to www.livescorehunter.com to find one, it comes up with various links to streams - why not give it a go?

[Madeline]

Or pay for tennistv.com. They show lots of matches on livestream, all the Masters, and several 500s and a few 250s. The stream is good, better quality than many of the free ones. Cheaper than Sky too!

[Maza1987]

Shall be a cold day in he*l when I saddle up the cash for Sky Sports.:angry:

Even taking away my beloved F1 won't make me line their pockets.

:)

[AllyB]

One of the prices of staying in a lovely rural location like mine is that the hills deny us a good terrestrial signal (ie none) and our broadband is seldom fast enough for even a basic livestream. Sky is hardly a luxury living here. Admitedly the Sports and Movies packages are an indulgence.

[Aussie Andy]

Don't know where to put this, but Andy Murray can't play at the Hopman Cup 2012; the field is full now. Hopefully he'll turn up at the Brisbane International instead. At least he'll get ranking points.

Oh, and Thomaz Belluci has just won the first set against Dmitry Tursunov, 7-6.

Thomaz Belluci has a winning record against Murray, 1-0. He beat Andy 6-4, 6-2 in Madrid earlier this year. Opportunity for revenge?
Dmitry Tursunov has a losing record against Murray, 0-5. Andy last met him in Cincinnati in 2008, but I doubt Tursunov has improved enough to right that record, should he face Murray again.

[-J-]

turunov serving for it 6-5 up in 3rd

[Sallydaisy]

Tursunov wins 6'7, 6'4, 7'5 and will be Andy's R2 opponent in Shanghai.

[lynne]

Lopez beats Tipsy 7-6, 7-6 not a bad match to watch Lopez had to fight back in the second set!

[Alis]

Don't know where to put this, but Andy Murray can't play at the Hopman Cup 2012; the field is full now. Hopefully he'll turn up at the Brisbane International instead. At least he'll get ranking points.



That's interesting - he seemed to really enjoy playing Hopman Cup the last two years - perhaps Laura has other plans. On the other hand, as all tennis players seem to be very superstitious, maybe Andy thinks Hopman Cup = defeated finalist in the Aussie Open!!

[JAMES4578]

Certainly tough battle then with Tursunov coming through and should well used to the to the conditions after that match, however as long as he's not too jaded Andy should be a class above and has had plenty of match play of course. A bit surprised Andy and Laura won't be at The Hopman Cup but hopefully other plans will work out.

[lynne]

Roddick serving for the first set against Dimitrov...5-4...Dimitrov broke back & are now Roddick 4-3 in the TB, Roddick gets the set 7-6.
Very close second set 4-4, Trovy broke back 5-4,Rodders b/back 5-5, good fight back from Rodders 7-6!!

Have a nice day folks, must dash!:wave:

[david1610]

Don't know where to put this, but Andy Murray can't play at the Hopman Cup 2012; the field is full now. Hopefully he'll turn up at the Brisbane International instead. At least he'll get ranking points.
I am also very surprised at this. I am sure it was not a case of the places filling up without the organizers contacting Andy - nobody is going to ignore the chance to get a top four player to their tournament with a partner who has Australian connections. He must indeed be trying something new.
PS http://hopmancup.com/Teams-Schedule/Team-Lists lists the teams that ARE going.

[cazza99]

Don't know where to put this, but Andy Murray can't play at the Hopman Cup 2012; the field is full now. Hopefully he'll turn up at the Brisbane International instead. At least he'll get ranking points.


Thanks. I have started a thread for discussion of the Hopman Cup here -
http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?277-HOPMAN-CUP-31st-December-2011-7th-January-2012 (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=13)

[Maza1987]

I hope Tomic manages to pull it off against Fish today.

[Hawkeye]

He did!

[Sallydaisy]

:yikes:

Bet Tsonga is pleased ......

[cazza99]

bgtennisnation Brad Gilbert

very impressive win for Weekend at Bernies vs Swordfish the 18 year old has such moxi and is so clever about the court, like watching him

stu_fraser Stuart Fraser

Big win for Bernard Tomic over Mardy Fish. Could open the door for Nicolas Almagro & Gilles Simon here in the race to London.

[Maza1987]

Tomic lost to Mardy recently and I had a feeling he would learn from it as he is not the ballbasher type, despite his height. He regularly plays all sorts of pace on his balls and often slices it. He's got a good tennis IQ, I believe.

[Sallydaisy]

WEDNESDAY, 12 OCTOBER, 2011

STADIUM start 2:00 pm (7am UK)
J Ferrero (ESP) vs [16] F Verdasco (ESP)
K Nishikori (JPN) vs [4] J Tsonga (FRA)
Not Before 6:00 PM (11am UK)
[1] R Nadal (ESP) vs G Garcia-Lopez (ESP)
Not Before 8:00 PM (1pm UK)
D Tursunov (RUS) vs [2] A Murray (GBR)

GRANDSTAND start 2:00 pm (7am UK)
[14] J Melzer (AUT) vs S Giraldo (COL)
Not Before 3:00 PM
[3] D Ferrer (ESP) vs M Raonic (CAN)
R Stepanek (CZE) vs [6] T Berdych (CZE)
F Lopez (ESP) vs A Bogomolov Jr. (USA)

SHOW COURT start 1:00 pm (6am UK)
[Q] A Ramos (ESP) vs [12] A Dolgopolov (UKR)
Not Before 2:00 PM
[Q] M Ebden (AUS) vs [Q] R Harrison (USA)
[1] B Bryan (USA) / M Bryan (USA) vs M Granollers (ESP) / V Troicki (SRB)
C Kas (GER) / A Peya (AUT) vs [4] M Bhupathi (IND) / L Paes (IND)
[3] M Llodra (FRA) / N Zimonjic (SRB) vs S Bolelli (ITA) / F Fognini (ITA)

COURT 4 start 4:00 pm (9am UK)
[7] R Bopanna (IND) / A Qureshi (PAK) vs N Almagro (ESP) / B Soares (BRA) or K Anderson (RSA) / S Lipsky (USA)
[5] J Melzer (AUT) / P Petzschner (GER) vs T Bellucci (BRA) / I Dodig (CRO)
E Butorac (USA) / J Rojer (AHO) or T Berdych (CZE) / R Stepanek (CZE) vs [8] R Lindstedt (SWE) / H Tecau (ROU)

[Maza1987]

Good timing for me.

[Linda]

Don't know where to put this, but Andy Murray can't play at the Hopman Cup 2012; the field is full now. Hopefully he'll turn up at the Brisbane International instead. At least he'll get ranking points.

You think Andy might play Brisbane? Maybe I should arrange to go stay with my brother :big grin:

[Aussie Andy]

You think Andy might play Brisbane? Maybe I should arrange to go stay with my brother :big grin:

Mmm, and my grandmother who lives over there did say I was welcome any time...

[RoastLamb]

Bit fed up I didn't get to see Milos' match. On tv they only the showed centre court matches during the day and then repeated them tonite. App. they livestreamed it live. Which is useless to me as that was 3 a.m. Why they couldn't televise it so I could tape it and watch it during the day escapes me.

Re: Andy in Australia. I really hope he doesn't play Doha coz the last two years he's been in Ozland to acclimatise and reached the finals both times

[Sallydaisy]

Ferrero def [16] Verdasco in 3 sets.
Tsonga took the first set 7'6 v Nishikori. Just about to start the 2nd set.

So, Rafa's match is unlikely to start on time at 11am, maybe 11.30 if JWT wraps it up in 2 sets.
Might push Andy's match a bit later although Rafa should take out GGL in 2.

Others:-
Dolgo d Ramos
Giraldo d Melzer [14]
Ebden d Harrison

[lynne]

Nishikori got the second set 6-4 & it's 3-3 in the third, now 5-4, and Nishikori gets it 6-7,6-4,6-4


Glad Ferrer won 7-5, 7-6 very close match though..........sorry Fiona!!!:flowers:

[-J-]

office bound today but can't find streams using webOS but least I should be able to keep up to date with ls

[lynne]

office bound today but can't find streams using webOS but least I should be able to keep up to date with ls


Sorry I can't help not very techy:shamed:

[Aussie Andy]

Re: Andy in Australia. I really hope he doesn't play Doha coz the last two years he's been in Ozland to acclimatise and reached the finals both times

If he wins the Aussie Open next year, will we call him the Wizard of Oz? :big grin:

Matthew Ebden of Australia is through to the third round after beating Ryan Harrison 6-4, 6-2.

Kei Nishikori has beaten Jo-Wilfried Tsonga! 6-7, 6-4, 6-4!

[-J-]

anyone know which sky channel the tennis on today ?

[Golden Lady]

anyone know which sky channel the tennis on today ?

Its listed on Sky Sports 1 until 3 pm

[-J-]

thank you :flowers:

[Pam]

Its listed on Sky Sports 1 until 3 pm

Well Andy won't be starting until 3pm at this rate!! Rafa's match (before Andy's on Stadium Court) has only just started.

[40-15]

Wow - Fish, Melzer and now Tsonga!! - now out from Andy's half of the draw

[lynne]

Berdych has finally woke up & took the first set 6-4

[JAMES4578]

Certainly very surprised by Tsonga's exit as I was with Fish yesterday, Kei must have been in form even if he was given some help. Not looking too far ahead for Andy yet, will need to watch his match later. Nadal a break up on Garcia Lopez at 4-1.

[Hawkeye]

That quarter is now completely dead on my Bracket! Good news for us all though!

[jaysee]

That quarter is now completely dead on my Bracket! Good news for us all though!
A dead quarter for me too - although I did have Tomic battering Fish:worship: before going out to Cilic.

[AllyB]

I still have Dolly to beat "Fish" before losing to "Tsonga". You know things are bad when you lose a semi-finalist but still climb slightly!

[AllyB]

anyone know which sky channel the tennis on today ?

Yes, i know. Do i get flowers too?

[40-15]

have to agree James - and not to look too far ahead for Andy -
assuming Andy wins this afternoon!! - he has Wawrinka next + Simon still lurking in Andy's quarter of the draw

[traveller7]

nadal has won first set 6-3

[Maza1987]

hurry up, rafa.

[40-15]

Rafa now 2-1 up in the 2nd set and serving!!

[40-15]

well that last post was the kiss of death!! - Garcia-Lopez breaks back - now 2-2

[AllyB]

Sky just announced Tursunov has withdrawn

[ljs]

arrgg , no Andy today :sad: oh well prob a good thing , more rest time for him

[Pam]

Rafa has won in straight sets. Andy has to win tomorrow or he will have no points from this tournament now that Tursunov has withdrawn and he had a bye in the first round.

[supergran]

No points for our Andy. Hope he wins tomorrow against Stan.

[Jan]

does Andy not get the points for the walkover??? I never knew that.

[-J-]

course he dose,it counts as a win

[Pam]

course he dose,it counts as a win

No he doesnt!

If Tursunov had walked on court and played one game and withdrawn Andy would have got the points but he withdrew before the match so as no games played no points are awarded. Also No points for a bye in the first round.

[david1610]

does Andy not get the points for the walkover??? I never knew that.
Now that seems unfair. Until what round? Imagine that the last match of the year, the WTF final, the no. 2 was playing the no. 1 and if he won would finish the year no. 1. What would happen if the no. 1 pulled out to protect the no. 1 ranking. Surely the tournament and points would be awarded to the no. 2?
Or put another way, imagine all of Andy's opponents withdrew this week. What would happen?

[lynne]

On the ATP site they are saying Andy not before 3.30pm. so is that 6.30am UK:confused:

[traveller7]

I rushed through my household chores for nothing! Damn ah well more rest for Andy more practice aswell Im guessing to get used to courts.

[traveller7]

On the ATP site they are saying Andy not before 3.30pm. so is that 6.30am UK:confused:

Andy not on at all im afraid opponent withdrew.

[Hawkeye]

She means tomorrow!

OOP. (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/Schedule.aspx)

[Jan]

Seems very odd that Andy wouldn't get the points. Had a quick look to see if I could find the rule anywhere, but no luck.

[Jan]

On the ATP site they are saying Andy not before 3.30pm. so is that 6.30am UK:confused:
I think the time difference is 7 hours, so I make that 8.30am

[-J-]

course he gets the points,if he loses tomorrow he will have lost in the third round and will get points for that,points are based on when you go our till the final

[lynne]

Seems very odd that Andy wouldn't get the points. Had a quick look to see if I could find the rule anywhere, but no luck.

Yes so did I, but nothing!!

[Katie]

No he doesnt!

If Tursunov had walked on court and played one game and withdrawn Andy would have got the points but he withdrew before the match so as no games played no points are awarded. Also No points for a bye in the first round.

I thought players got 10 points for a bye. I think points are given for walkovers too - although these matches aren't counted in the win/loss record.

[Alis]

course he gets the points,if he loses tomorrow he will have lost in the third round and will get points for that,points are based on when you go our till the final

Peter Fleming was saying on Sky that Andy has to win tomorrow to get any points at all - which they felt might put extra pressure on him. No points are awarded for a bye or a walk-over and if Andy loses tomorrow he will lose all 1000 points that he earned from this tournament last year. It would really put back his hopes of passing Fed before the end of the year.

They also mentioned that the match wasn't sceduled to begin before 8.30 a.m.

[JAMES4578]

Maybe they said that but I think they're wrong, hopefully Andy goes to the quarters anyway! Though in he one sense he might benefit from another's day's rest of course but Stan is tough for his first match, he'll want to be in form! However, I'm sure Andy is keen to put the record straight.

[supergran]

I heard Peter Fleming say that as they discussed whether it was fair. Doesn't seem fair to me but that's obviously how the points are worked out. It would be ghastly if Andy lost but I don't think he will.

[Jan]

I agree it doesn't seem fair - it's not Andy's fault that Tursanov pulled out.

[Sallydaisy]

I would hate to contradict Peter Fleming who is not only very knowledgable but a very sane commentator but the points on offer at this tournament are set out on the Drawsheet and per below:-

ATP Ranking Points
W: 1000
F: 600
SF: 360
QF: 180
R3- R16: 90
R2 - R32: 45 (Seeds 1-8: 10)
R1 -R64: 10 (WC: 0)
Q: +25
Q14: 14
Q28: 0

There isn't a 0 listed anywhere for a Bye but those that benefit from it i.e. seeds 1-8 only get R64 points if they lose in R2 (R32) i.e. 10.

Andy skipped R1 with a Bye and by reaching R2 he got 10 points.
Had he lost today in R2 that's all he'd have come away with.
He's now reached R3 and if he loses he'll pick up another 80 to make his total 90 for going out in R3.
If he reaches the QF he'll get another 90, if he reaches the SF he gets another 270.

Tursunov reached R2 - he'll get 45 points from this event as he did it by winning R1 rather than receiving a Bye.

I hope I'm right .......
:sofa:

[Jan]

Thanks Sally - that would have been my take on it if you'd asked me without reading all the posts.

[supergran]

Thanks Sally...relieved to read that. Did think it didn't sound right but Peter was so positive.

[Sallydaisy]

I've not read the entire ATP rulebook - but I think the seeds are penalised for their Bye by only getting 10pts (instead of 45) if they go out in R2).

Fleming is widely respected - hope someone sorts it out so he can retract if he's wrong.

[Sallydaisy]

THURSDAY, 13 OCTOBER, 2011

STADIUM start 12:30 pm
[10] A Roddick (USA) vs [7] N Almagro (ESP)
[3] D Ferrer (ESP) vs J Ferrero (ESP)
Not Before 3:30 PM (8.30am UK)
[13] S Wawrinka (SUI) vs D Tursunov (RUS) or [2] A Murray (GBR)
Not Before 6:00 PM
[1] R Nadal (ESP) or G Garcia-Lopez (ESP) vs [15] F Mayer (GER)
Not Before 8:00 PM
F Lopez (ESP) or A Bogomolov Jr. (USA) vs R Stepanek (CZE) or [6] T Berdych (CZE)

GRANDSTAND start 12:30 pm
B Tomic (AUS) vs [12] A Dolgopolov (UKR)
S Giraldo (COL) vs K Nishikori (JPN)
[8] G Simon (FRA) vs [Q] M Ebden (AUS)
T Bellucci (BRA) / I Dodig (CRO) vs [4] M Bhupathi (IND) / L Paes (IND)
[3] M Llodra (FRA) / N Zimonjic (SRB) or S Bolelli (ITA) / F Fognini (ITA) vs E Butorac (USA) / J Rojer (AHO) or [8] R Lindstedt (SWE) / H Tecau (ROU)

SHOW COURT start 2:00 pm
O Marach (AUT) / J Tipsarevic (SRB) vs [2] M Mirnyi (BLR) / D Nestor (CAN)
T Robredo (ESP) / D Tursunov (RUS) vs [6] M Fyrstenberg (POL) / M Matkowski (POL) - TBA

[Alis]

I would hate to contradict Peter Fleming who is not only very knowledgable but a very sane commentator but the points on offer at this tournament are set out on the Drawsheet and per below:-

ATP Ranking Points
W: 1000
F: 600
SF: 360
QF: 180
R3- R16: 90
R2 - R32: 45 (Seeds 1-8: 10)
R1 -R64: 10 (WC: 0)
Q: +25
Q14: 14
Q28: 0

There isn't a 0 listed anywhere for a Bye but those that benefit from it i.e. seeds 1-8 only get R64 points if they lose in R2 (R32) i.e. 10.

Andy skipped R1 with a Bye and by reaching R2 he got 10 points.
Had he lost today in R2 that's all he'd have come away with.
He's now reached R3 and if he loses he'll pick up another 80 to make his total 90 for going out in R3.
If he reaches the QF he'll get another 90, if he reaches the SF he gets another 270.

Tursunov reached R2 - he'll get 45 points from this event as he did it by winning R1 rather than receiving a Bye.

I hope I'm right .......
:sofa:

It does appear to be very ambiguous. I've just been looking at Andy's points breakdown on the ATP site and it would appear that if he loses to Stan tomorrow he would pick up the round 3 points i.e. 80. I can only assume that perhaps Fleming meant that he wouldn't get the 10 points for round 2 so would go home with 80 instead of 90 - quite honestly I don't think 10 points here or there will make much difference.

What we need is Andy to win tomorrow and go deep into this tournament - not just for the points but for his confidence and his fans' blood pressure!!!!!

[Maza1987]

I'm not a tennis stat junkie, but even I know players always receive full ranking points even if a player hands them a walkover.

[harriet]

tursunov must have cried off at the last minute, did he hurt his wrist in practice i wonder?
sky showed andy in the stadium watching rafa play, andy wearing his game kit

[-J-]

:grrr:we aught to know better than to listen to stupid commies by now

[ultros8]

(Long-time reader of posts here, just trying to stand up for the much-maligned commentators... :) )

I think to an extent everyone is actually correct about the ranking points. As I understand it, Peter Fleming is right to say Andy would receive no points (well, 10 rather than 0, but either way the minimum amount) if he lost to Wawrinka in the next round - winning a match by walkover DOES give you points, BUT in any tournament you play, you can't receive more than the minimum number of points (in this case, 10) unless you actually win a match that takes to the court. If this was the Final and both players had already won 4/5 matches to get there, the winner would still get their 1000 points if the loser withdrew. But because in this situation one of the players hasn't won a match yet, he could still get just 10 points.

(This is the same reason why seeded players with a bye only get the minimum points if they lose their first match, but then the points become the same as usual for the rest of the tournament.)

I'm sure this will now be shown to be wrong, but that's what I believe to be the case...

[Jan]

well let's hope that it's all academic anyway and Andy gets his points for beating Stan!:)
(Would still like to know categorically what the rule is...)

[rouges]

I rushed home to see Andy only to find out Tursunov had withdrawn, what a disappointment. After reading about the points, I'm not concerned about Andy not getting any points as I'm confident he will win. he's had 3 days rest and with his recent form, he won't have just gone lame. BE POSITIVE, I hate all the negative vibes from the forum. sometimes some people are way ahead of themseves. :grrr::grrr::grrr:

[Pam]

:grrr:we aught to know better than to listen to stupid commies by now

Peter Flemming is not a stupid commie!! He is a very knowledgable and down to earth guys and doesn't get things wrong!!!

[AllyB]

Would it be harsh to say that Andy doesn't deserve any points if he can't beat Stan?

[-J-]

Peter Flemming is not a stupid commie!! He is a very knowledgable and down to earth guys and doesn't get things wrong!!!you left out the up till now part :grrr:

[Maza1987]

I've just asked on bt.com and the posters there—usually extremely knowledgeable on the ranking system—are in agreement with my initial thoughts that even if Andy were to lose, he would still pick up 90 points.

[-J-]

I've just asked on bt.com and the posters there—usually extremely knowledgeable on the ranking system—are in agreement with my initial thoughts that even if Andy were to lose, he would still pick up 90 points.this has come up before which is why im so sure as long as andy plays tomorrow he gets the points for third round (at the very least)

[Alis]

Probably 80 then rather than 90- but what's 10 points between friends??!!!

[Aussie Andy]

Dolgopolov beat Tomic. 5-7, 6-1, 6-0.
Roddick beat Almagro 6-3, 6-4.
Ferrero is currently up a set against Ferrer, taking the first set 6-1.

[Aussie Andy]

The Ferrer/Ferrero match has gone to a third set, with Ferrer taking the second 7-5. Bother! We'll be waiting longer for Andy's match.

[Aussie Andy]

Ferrer wins, 1-6, 7-5, 6-2

[VamosVixs]

Rafa is in a battle with Mayer. He has saved a couple of set points and is now serving to take it to a tiebreak.

[Golden Lady]

Ooh, Ebden with the MB in the deciding set tiebreaker re Simon.

[JAMES4578]

Ebden could be on the verge of an upset as up 5-2 in the breaker, but not over yet!

[Golden Lady]

Gilles fights back to level at 6-6 in the final breaker

[VamosVixs]

Rafa is still in a battle in the tiebreak 5-5.

[Golden Lady]

Ebden finally wins and will face our Andy tomorrow!

[VamosVixs]

Mayer wins the 1st set on a tiebreak.

[JAMES4578]

yes, thought he might have missed the boat but came through 10-8! Rafa's lost the 1st to Mayer on the breaker 7-5 despite being up 4-2 at one point.

[Sallydaisy]

Looks as though Andy's not the only one with a stuttery start in Shanghai; Rafa lost the first set to Florian Mayer 6'7!
:shocked:

[Golden Lady]

Crikey, rafa's gone down a break in the second set!

[VamosVixs]

Rafa in big trouble - down a set and a break!!

[Aussie Andy]

Gracious, Mayer is up 5-3 in the second set against Nadal!!!

Methinks Andy has a very real chance of defending his title!

[Aussie Andy]

Mayer has match point on Nadal's serve!

[Sallydaisy]

Ebden has match point against Rafa's serve ....... AND WINS!!!

OMG - what happened to Rafa???
:shocked:

[Aussie Andy]

Florian Mayer breaks Rafael Nadal and wins the match, 7-6, 6-3!!!

[VamosVixs]

Gutted for Rafa!! :sad:



But this could be good for Andy. ;)

[cazza99]

Nooooooooooooooooo Rafa is out.

Apparently he does not like the balls as it makes it too fast.

[lynne]

EEEK!!!.......RAFA!!!!!:shocked:


Well Done to Mayer...but I feel quite sad for Rafa!!!

[Minnie98]

Can't believe Rafa's out :sad: at least Andy won! :cheer:

[Aussie Andy]

Can't believe Rafa's out :( at least Andy won! :cheer:

Always a silver lining.

[cazza99]

Gutted for Rafa!! :sad:



But this could be good for Andy. ;)

Not good for my bracket - I meant to put Andy and had Rafa there by mistake :crying:

[-J-]

Ebden has match point against Rafa's serve ....... AND WINS!!!

OMG - what happened to Rafa???
:shocked:Ebden had a cracking day even winning a match he wasn't playing:thumbup:

[lynne]

Ebden had a cracking day even winning a match he wasn't playing:thumbup:


:rolling::rolling::rolling:

[VamosVixs]

Ebden had a cracking day even winning a match he wasn't playing:thumbup:

:rolling::rolling::rolling:

[Pam]

Well done Mayer - great win for him!

[VamosVixs]

Mayer played great today! :clap:

[Sallydaisy]

Ebden has match point against Rafa's serve ....... AND WINS!!!

Ebden had a cracking day even winning a match he wasn't playinghttp://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/images/smileys/thumbup.gif

:surrender:

[JAMES4578]

Shocked that Rafa went out in straight sets but well done Mayer, looks like he was in form! Andy now the heavy favourite, just hope hope he doesn't feel under too much pressure and looks at the draw opening up on all fronys positively, though of course sure he would love to have played Nadal again all being well.

[VamosVixs]

Deliciano up a set and a break against Berdych!

[Katie]

I really loved how Mayer played today - he definitely deserved to win, great variety :cheer:

[JAMES4578]

A tournament of upsets, though as long as Andy avoids the pitfalls I'll be happy! Berdy with some work to do if he's to get back at Floppy,

[VamosVixs]

Feli wins!! :thumbup:

[Sallydaisy]

Perhaps not the Quarter-Final match ups that were expected ......

OOP FRIDAY, 14 OCTOBER, 2011

STADIUM start 2:00 pm
[3] D Ferrer (ESP) vs [10] A Roddick (USA)
[12] A Dolgopolov (UKR) vs K Nishikori (JPN)

Not Before 6:00 PM
[15] F Mayer (GER) vs F Lopez (ESP)

Not Before 8:00 PM (1pm UK time)
[Q] M Ebden (AUS) vs [2] A Murray (GBR)

GRANDSTAND start 1:00 pm
[1] B Bryan (USA) / M Bryan (USA) vs [6] M Fyrstenberg (POL) / M Matkowski (POL)
[3] M Llodra (FRA) / N Zimonjic (SRB) vs [8] R Lindstedt (SWE) / H Tecau (ROU)
T Bellucci (BRA) / I Dodig (CRO) vs [4] M Bhupathi (IND) / L Paes (IND)
N Almagro (ESP) / B Soares (BRA) vs [2] M Mirnyi (BLR) / D Nestor (CAN)

[lynne]

NeilHarmanTimes Neil Harman

Tune in to BBC 5Live tonight at 7.30 to hear @5livetennis and I debating tennis politics with @andy_murray @andyroddick and @RafaelNadal



Put this here Sally as I thought it the best place so everyone can see it, if you wish to move it please do so!:thumbup:

[Aya]

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but judging from his voice, Andy has a cold or something... he was also sniffingin his interview http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/2011/10/Shanghai-2011-Thursday-Interview-Murray.aspx

[Alis]

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed this, but judging from his voice, Andy has a cold or something... he was also sniffingin his interview http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/2011/10/Shanghai-2011-Thursday-Interview-Murray.aspx

Anyone else finding it difficult to access the ATP site today?

[Madeline]

Anyone else finding it difficult to access the ATP site today?

No, it's fine for me.

[Jan]

Anyone else finding it difficult to access the ATP site today?
no I've not had any trouble with it

[pabbers]

Ebden had a cracking day even winning a match he wasn't playing:thumbup:

Well even the commies get things wrong - one referred to Alexandr Dolgopolov Junior - think he was mixing him up with Alexander Bogomolov Junior!

[Linda]

But he is Alexandr Dolgopolov Junior - his father was Olexandr Dolopolov Senior - and they both had the same first name until about a year ago when Dolly decided to start his name with an 'A' instead of an 'O'.

[Sallydaisy]

Well even the commies get things wrong - one referred to Alexandr Dolgopolov Junior - think he was mixing him up with Alexander Bogomolov Junior!
It wasn't the commies .......
-J- was taking the mickey out of me for typing Ebden instead of Mayer who had beaten Rafa ......
:grrr:

[RoastLamb]

So glad Dolly won coz I haven't seen any of his matches. Sad for Rafa but Mayer played so well. And glad Floppy took out Berdbrain.

Looking forward to seeing this Ebden dude. Just hope Andy has more game than him.

[Aussie Andy]

This is a crazy Shanghai Masters, puts me in mind of this year's Montreal Masters. Thank goodness it's Andy who's last Top 4 standing instead of Nole.

As for Matthew Ebden, his efforts have largely gone unnoticed, thanks to Bernard Tomic. Ebden is the Aussie No.2, being higher than Lleyton Hewitt in the rankings.

[pabbers]

It wasn't the commies .......
-J- was taking the mickey out of me for typing Ebden instead of Mayer who had beaten Rafa ......
:grrr:

Yes I know..........I was sticking up for you and saying that even the commies get things wrong...........never mind Sallydaisy (last bit understood rather than spelled out). *Sigh* - I'm losing my touch :wino:

[JAMES4578]

Wasn't able to watch much of it but see that Ferrer came through a tight battle with Roddick winning 6-7, 6-2, 7-6 and thus gaining revenge for the defeat at Flushing Meadows. He's gad a few tussles must be favourite to reach the final from the top half.

[MurrayAOne]

Good luck today Andy! You can do it mate. Positive all the way!!!

[VamosVixs]

What a great week for Nishikori!!!

[Sallydaisy]

Congrats to Nishikori - a 6'4, 6'3 win over Dolgopolov!!!

[Aussie Andy]

Well, Nishy awaits the winner of the Andy Murray/Matthew Ebden match.

[ljs]

Lopez / Mayer might take a while

on second thought maybe not , Mayer beginning to make UE's
5 - 2 Lopez

[Aussie Andy]

Lopez is up 5-2 in the first set.

[Aussie Andy]

Lopez has taken the first set 6-2.

[VamosVixs]

Feli takes the 1st set 6-2!! :cheer:

[Sallydaisy]

Feli takes the 1st set 6-2!! :cheer:

And in just 33mins so if he can repeat that Andy's match might start roughly on time!!!

Anti-jinx ... but of course Murray's Law will probably kick in and we can expect a fightback from Florian that'll have us waiting impatiently for another 2hrs!!!
;)

[david1610]

Feli takes the 1st set 6-2!! :cheer:
Yes and the way he is playing Andy's match could be on schedule i.e. 8 p.m. their time.
Having said that probably cursed it... Lopez DF first point of the second set.
Must admit, apart from the dangerous Ferrer, line up for rest of tourney looking good for Andy match-ups, though one match at a time.....

[Aussie Andy]

Feliciano Lopez beats Florian Mayer, 6-2, 6-4!

[VamosVixs]

Feli into the semis!! :cheer:

[Aussie Andy]

Lopez to meet Ferrer in the semifinals.

[Linda]

Just caught the end of Feli's match, he was playing amazingly well, considering he was playing quite poorly when I also caught the end of his match against Bogomolov. He must have played well yesterday, too, to beat Berdy!

[JAMES4578]

Certainly a few surprising semi finalists, quite glad though that Lopez and Nisikori have come through!

[RoastLamb]

I think Floppy is playing very well. I very much prefer his playing style to Ferru's.

[VamosVixs]

Tough one to call tomorrow, like both of them but I think I would prefer Feli to win.

[RoastLamb]

Ferru is sich a grinder, whereas Floppy has more flair. He likes to come to the net and do all sorts of funky things.

Sad that Dolly fell to Kei. Disappointing result.

Happy that Danny and Maz are in the dubs semis.

[Hawkeye]

Ferrer and Lopez into a first set tiebreak.

[Linda]

At the start of the set it looked like Lopez was playing better but Ferrer now leads in the tb. Really enjoyable match but unfortunately I have to go out now to a church meeting. :sad:

[Hawkeye]

Lopez takes it 7-5.

edit...

Ferrer about to win the second set.

[VamosVixs]

Looking like Ferrer has the edge at the moment.

[VamosVixs]

Terrible service game from Feli, Ferrer now serves for the match.

[JAMES4578]

Ferrer definitely in control now as he serves for the mactch at 5-3. Three Doubles from Floppy in that game, fatal! Some exciting tennis though.

[VamosVixs]

And Ferrer takes it 6-7, 6-3, 6-3.

Shame for Feli as he gifted David that match in the end with that last service game from him.

[Hawkeye]

And it's done.

Andy bang on 1 then.

[JAMES4578]

And Ferrer takes it 6-7, 6-3, 6-3.

Shame for Feli as he gifted David that match in the end with that last service game from him.

Yes it was a pity but he obviously felt the pressure. Though we might have got another breaker!

[Juicy]

Go andyyyyyy!!!!!!!

[david1610]

Happy that it took energy out of Ferrer...... c'mon Andy!

[Sallydaisy]

SUNDAY, 16 OCTOBER, 2011

STADIUM start 2:00 pm
[3] M Llodra (FRA) / N Zimonjic (SRB) vs [2] M Mirnyi (BLR) / D Nestor (CAN)

Not Before 4:30 PM (9.30am UK time)
[3] D Ferrer (ESP) vs K Nishikori (JPN) or [2] A Murray (GBR)

[RoastLamb]

Good luck to Danny and Max altho' have a feeling they will lose.

Shame Floppy lost. Was really hoping it'd be him vs Andy in the final. For Judy's sake, of course.

[Hawkeye]

RL will be pleased to find out that she was wrong and that Max Mirnyi and Daniel Nestor won the doubles title 3-6 6-1 12-10.

[RoastLamb]

RL will be pleased to find out that she was wrong and that Max Mirnyi and Daniel Nestor won the doubles title 3-6 6-1 12-10.

:thanks: for letting me know. I hadn't checked. So happy for them! :jitterbug::excited::tennis: