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david1610
02-02-2013, 02:10
We tend to linger on a match result thread until the next match thread opens and then linger on that until the match starts....
Which is another way of asking the mods where this is the space to talk about Andy and his game, etc., until Indian Wells or would it make sense to chat about that in another thread e.g. Andy in the US February 2013?
Just so everybody knows where to go to share thoughts as we wait..... :)
Feel free to start a thread, we don't own the place!
david1610
03-02-2013, 02:55
Feel free to start a thread, we don't own the place!
I have done in the past, I just wondered what you thought about this. There seems to be more likelihood now of bigger gaps in Andy's schedule at certain times of the year, especially February and we may still want to talk about Andy's tennis, rather than anything else. Those comments tend to be appended to the last match and/or tournament until the next one arrives. Or we can put them in the Indian Wells thread but they are not really about Indian Wells.
I have no particularly strong feelings but wondered where everybody thought it was best to talk about Andy's tennis when there is a considerable break between tourneys.
I think it's a good idea to have a thread for 'Between-tournament musings on Andy's tennis'.
Madeline
03-02-2013, 08:41
So do I.
Yes - seems like a good idea. Go for it if you wish, David - you don't need permission.
david1610
03-02-2013, 13:18
I suggested on the 2013 Indian Wells tournament thread that it might be good to have a space where we could talk about Andy's tennis between tournaments rather than do this on the last match thread or the next tournament thread.
Linda provided the inspiration for the title. :)
I would be very curious to know what Andy and Ivan are working on now. The big changes at the AO this year seemed to be attitude and playing matches on Andy's own terms.
david1610
03-02-2013, 13:21
Done! Title (c) Linda :)
I didn't think up the title by myself - on VB there is a thread called Between tournament musings. When a tournie finishes the mods close the thread so that discussion then goes in the musings thread. I think it's very useful.
Sallydaisy
03-02-2013, 13:28
Personally I'd prefer we had a different thread name to that of another board.
Surely we can come up with something original rather than copy VB?
:whistle:
Also, the same thread title could apply to various points in the year so something that includes the relevant period might be more useful and easier to distinguish it later.
e.g. Andy in action (or not), February 2013. Training period between AO and IW.
I like the "musings on Andy's tennis" bit - personally I think it describes what's in the tin more so than "training period". It might be useful to add some sort of date/time period but beyond that, it really doesn't bother me to borrow the title from another forum. Rather than fill this thread with discussions about alternative thread titles I'd much rather get on with the musings.
So.....I'm hoping they're going to work on his volleying/shortening points and especially ghosting in to finish off well crafted rallies instead of allowing the oppo back in the point and then losing it (as was too often the case in the AO final IMHO).
I like the title but we could always swap the title round to make it a bit different. To make it even a bit more different, one could replace the word musings with something else.
"Musings on Andy's tennis between tournaments"
I doubt it is too much of a problem taking from VB as Linda suggested it and she is a member there.
Sallydaisy
03-02-2013, 14:00
I doubt it is too much of a problem taking from VB as Linda suggested it and she is a member there.
I didn't view it as a problem from the point of view that it came from VB; more a shame we can't come up with something more original or relevant.
Thread titles need to be searchable which is why all the tourney threads in Andy Rules begin with the city name or most common name used for a tourney e.g. US Open so they are easy to find.
Since Andy ISN'T playing this thread (and a few other strays) probably needs to be in Andy Off-Court.
Shall we move over posts that are on other threads into here?
Sorry but I have no imagination of my own :shamed:
I agree with Sally that it would help to show some indication of the next tournie. How about:
Prepare (Attack - Destroy) Indian Wells 2013, 7-17 March (Masters 1000)
This shows who we are talking about! :)
:confused: I think that title would be completely confusing! I wouldn't understand it myself at all. I like the present title (even if it is not original). If you want to discuss IW, there is a thread for that.
:confused: I think that title would be completely confusing! I wouldn't understand it myself at all. I like the present title (even if it is not original). If you want to discuss IW, there is a thread for that.
Sorry to have confused you! Maybe some on here will get it.
:confused: I think that title would be completely confusing! I wouldn't understand it myself at all. I like the present title (even if it is not original). If you want to discuss IW, there is a thread for that.
I agree and as I said above, like it or not, it gives a very good idea of what the thread's about, which is not the next tournament. Could we just use the Lendl coaching thread if this is going to prove too controversial?
I understand the need for us to be searchable but I think we need to take care not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
JAMES4578
03-02-2013, 17:00
Though I'm not too fussed about the title prefer yours Fina, has much more of a buzz to it! obviously Andy is preparing for Indian Wells and Miami.
But we could discuss that on the IW thread - I agree with David that we need a between-tournaments thread.
There is so much to discuss that is not apertenant to any particular tournament. Although I suppose a lot of it could go on the Lendl thread. After AO, what changes (if any) do we think Andy needs to make? What will he have learned that he can carry forward to future tournaments?
Sallydaisy
03-02-2013, 17:41
Does this work? It says what he's actually doing and when from.
Andy's Spring training in Florida; musings on his tennis post AO Final
We could then add another to complement it if we think they need separate threads.
Andy's clay season prospects
These need to go into Andy 'off-court' because they're non-tournament discussions.
If we only had one thread we could sticky it so we could always find it and not need to search.
Maye we could call this thread Musings about Andy's musings ;)
:getcoat:
Are you suggesting two threads? I think the one will do, and I think the current thread title covers it.
I don't really want to continue the debate on the thread title 'cos I think it's irrelevant, but I'm sure that we have thread titles just the same as ones on MW, MTF, etc. and it doesn't matter at all!
So let's continue to debate Andy's tennis and where it's going! :)
Sallydaisy
03-02-2013, 18:12
Are you suggesting two threads? I think the one will do, and I think the current thread title covers it.
I was just bandying ideas about for going forward as and when. I still think the current title is messy and confusing because it doesn't really say which period of time you're discussing i.e. it could be in between Canada and Cincinatti 2011.
Ah, sorry, it should be preceded by '2013' and each year's thread should be likewise identified.
Sallydaisy
03-02-2013, 18:54
Ah, sorry, it should be preceded by '2013' and each year's thread should be likewise identified.
Like this one? Which seems to be a 'catch-all' for 2013 discussions outwith tournaments.
http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?1590-Andy-s-tennis-in-2013
Well, having just logged in and seeing the title of this thread for the first time, straight away, I knew exactly what the thread would be about.....good idea David & Linda!!!!!:thumbup:
Yes, it's for all between-tournament discussions on Andy's tennis this year - so let's have some discussion! :)
Sorry to have confused you! Maybe some on here will get it.
Oh well, I guess my reference to Andy's 'prepare' slogan is too quirky, Andy-ish and obscure. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2266267/Andy-Murray-forced-play-Melbourne-heat-Australian-Open-chiefs-come-fire.html#axzz2JrirRtvT
Does this work? It says what he's actually doing and when from.
Andy's Spring training in Florida; musings on his tennis post AO Final
We could then add another to complement it if we think they need separate threads.
Andy's clay season prospects
These need to go into Andy 'off-court' because they're non-tournament discussions.
Think these fit the bill if we want to be clear about time periods, although IMHO the second one could do with "musings about" in front of it.
On the other hand David has been told he's free to start a thread, so perhaps it's a bit rude to criticise the title he's gone with.
Time to concentrate our minds on the musings?
Madeline
03-02-2013, 21:58
Do we really need different threads for different time periods anyway? If it's just about general non-tournament thoughts, surely just the year would be enough?
RoastLamb
03-02-2013, 22:00
I think the name of this thread is just fine.
Do we really need different threads for different time periods anyway? If it's just about general non-tournament thoughts, surely just the year would be enough?
The more I think about this, the more I prefer just one thread.
david1610
03-02-2013, 23:31
Busy day. Just saw all these posts. Personally I like the title but do not mind what it is called as long as it is clear that this is where we can go to chat about Andy's tennis - strokes, game plans, strategies - when he is not actually at a tournament.
I would much prefer it to be on in the Andy on court thread because it is about on court, not off court. Not matches but still playing...
When I log on I go there first to see what people are posting about Andy and his tennis. Then I have a look at the news forum to see if there is any.... news about Andy. I have a look then at Tour Tennis (increasingly to check how Laura and Heather are doing).
But as long as we have somewhere to post I suppose.
I also think that if this is a sticky thread we will just use it when the next between tournament period occurs and it will just become an ongoing thread. The point is to establish somewhere that becomes - well, what the title says!
Yes Pabbers, Andy shortening the points is an interesting discussion. I think he was doing it well in the early rounds but as we all know with Andy and Nole (and Rafa for that matter) you sometimes have to win the point three or four times.
What has always puzzled me is Andy has such great hands and volleying is why he does not ghost more into the net, to use your phrase!
Hi david1610 and pabbers and linda, good points re shortening the point and ghosting. my bugbear is second serve - it's still a liability. i'd like to see andy risk dfs but put in a BIG second serve rather than those feeble efforts he sometimes shoves in
Hi david1610 and pabbers and linda, good points re shortening the point and ghosting. my bugbear is second serve - it's still a liability. i'd like to see andy risk dfs but put in a BIG second serve rather than those feeble efforts he sometimes shoves in
Yes I think it's still a work in progress but it's definitely improved. What it lacks in maybe power, it has gained in placement IMHO - lots of high kicking and/or body serves so that the returner can't just smack it back. It doesn't always come off of course but it seems to be more consistently successful than it was. Not sure I want to see him risking dfs because he's such a good rallyer that he doesn't need to fear baseline contests. I'd rather see him get his serve into play and then have a chance to win the point.
david1610
04-02-2013, 18:16
Yes I think it's still a work in progress but it's definitely improved. What it lacks in maybe power, it has gained in placement IMHO - lots of high kicking and/or body serves so that the returner can't just smack it back. It doesn't always come off of course but it seems to be more consistently successful than it was. Not sure I want to see him risking dfs because he's such a good rallyer that he doesn't need to fear baseline contests. I'd rather see him get his serve into play and then have a chance to win the point.
Yes one commie at least during the AO pointed out that Andy was very good at protecting his second serve a lot of the time.
But going back to the ghosting in, I definitely think Andy coming in more often would work with a finish-the-point-early-mentality
LC the fan
05-02-2013, 16:33
I agree. I cant see Andy ever belonging to the Serve and Volley set, but often I see him drive the opponent out of position in the court and I yell 'move in NOW' at the screen but rarely does he do that.. yet ! It is unlikely to happen in the Claycourt season but I do feel we will see it by the end of this year
Sallydaisy
05-02-2013, 16:51
Cazza will undoubtedly update the news thread but this might be of interest tonight.
Jonathan Overend @5livetennis (https://twitter.com/5livetennis) Andy Murray interview on 5 Live after 7pm Tuesday evening.
Bits will appear from Breakfast time I would think.
david1610
05-02-2013, 22:02
I agree. I cant see Andy ever belonging to the Serve and Volley set, but often I see him drive the opponent out of position in the court and I yell 'move in NOW' at the screen but rarely does he do that.. yet ! It is unlikely to happen in the Claycourt season but I do feel we will see it by the end of this year
Completely agree. I suspect the reason he does not is that he probably has had enough confidence in his rallying to feel he will win the point that way but that is not in keeping with the new mentality. And as you say we are not talking about coming to the net just for the sake of it, but when the person is so out of position that nine times out of ten with the top guys (and ninety nine out of a hundred for the others :) ) it would take something extraordinary for Andy not to be able to put away the point with a good enough volley.
Sallydaisy
24-02-2013, 16:29
Just missing Muzzah playing ...
:sad:
Just missing Muzzah playing ...
:sad:
Me too, but next time he is playing he is in the same time-zone as me!!!! Yay!!!
Just missing Muzzah playing ...
:sad: Thought it was just me suffering from Andy withdrawal symptoms! Cannot wait till he is back playing, it seems like its been a LONG month since the Aussie Open.
time was, when this was an official forum, rob would keep us up to date with andy's training or his visits to other sports etc. andy's site has some info but tends only to be updated sporadically, and it's very 'public', not like getting the inside story. ah well
still, well done david setting this thread up, tho we're having a job keeping it going. guess mr lendl won't feel threatened by our coaching!
david1610
25-02-2013, 13:46
time was, when this was an official forum, rob would keep us up to date with andy's training or his visits to other sports etc. andy's site has some info but tends only to be updated sporadically, and it's very 'public', not like getting the inside story. ah well
still, well done david setting this thread up, tho we're having a job keeping it going. guess mr lendl won't feel threatened by our coaching!
In some ways it is not a bad thing we do not have much to say - January flashed by pretty quickly and I don't know about you but I am very curious to see what Andy and Ivan might have produced together in terms of game style and any other tweaks. I also wonder if there will be any surprises on clay this time round.
patmoren
25-02-2013, 14:23
Andy is certainly spending a lot of time concentrating on it. Hope it brings good results.
Yes the void seems bottomless. Let's hope Ivan and Andy have really made the most of this hiatus. No more post Oz dips!
Sallydaisy
25-02-2013, 16:46
Yes the void seems bottomless. Let's hope Ivan and Andy have really made the most of this hiatus. No more post Oz dips!
Last I heard they were off watching an ice hockey match.
;)
Last I heard they were off watching an ice hockey match.
;)
That should help.........:rolleyes:
Madeline
25-02-2013, 19:20
It might help with the "Ruthless mentality", if it is anything like the ice hockey matches I have seen!
Watching Dubai on Sky I'm wondering why Andy is not getting any tournaments in before IW? I'm sure he and Ivan have their reasons and are doing a lot of hard work off-court but no match experience.
Golden Lady
27-02-2013, 09:10
I agree with what a lot of you have said about Andy and Ivan knowing what they're doing. I have a feeling that Andy is going to do very well over the next few months. I'm not half missing him though, his tennis brings me so much pleasure like no one else's ever has and I've been a tennis fan for 30 years. Only a week to go though! :yahoo:
david1610
27-02-2013, 22:40
I think they may well be putting together the master plan to beat Nole consistently and regularly.
The more I think about it, the more Andy's win against Roger at the AO was a career turning point for both of them - in different directions. Roger could still beat Andy but only if the real Andy does not turn up. In a year's time we might be wondering if Roger can even get a set off Andy.
The jury is still out on Rafa. Will any of the lower ranked come through?
All in all, Nole (plus Rafa possibly) is the big threat to Andy and I am just wondering if they are working and working on ruthlessness in many senses of the term!
We will have to be patient early in the tournament but looking forward very much to March!
well, to stir the pot, games with rafa and nole are pretty boring, just keep playing the ball back and it's simply last man standing territory.
fedX, and it pains me to say this, is the class act. today, in dubai, he says, re his latest 6-3,6-4 win " "It's something I have been trying my whole life, to be more aggressive," said Federer, who had to come from a set down to beat wildcard Malek Jaziri in the previous round. "I would like to serve-volley more, but I'm winning so it's OK. I was sharper. I had a more clear plan. I knew what I could and couldn't do."
fedX continues to refine and reinvent his game, cunning old fox.
i think that unless andy can reinvent himself, then merely running faster and further will not be good enough.
david1610
28-02-2013, 18:37
I think Andy and Roger are both looking to shorten points, but for very different reasons. Roger because of his age and Andy because of his increasing self-confidence in his attacking game.
With respect, Andy has been reinventing himself - given his attachment to defensive play earlier in his career, I do not think reinventing is too strong a word in fact!
MurrayAOne
28-02-2013, 19:47
i think that unless andy can reinvent himself, then merely running faster and further will not be good enough.
I don't understand this last bit. For me he doesn't need to reinvent himself. He's always improving and will continue to do so but is good enough to beat them all now anyway.
supergran
01-03-2013, 01:03
We are Andy's fans. Nay we are devoted supporters so what can we say regarding his non-playing/training time. I do think it very presumptuous of us to start criticising him and Lendl. Whatever they are doing they are doing for Andy. So let us wait and see what happens. Forgive me, but you are not world beating tennis champions so please, please give our boy a chance. He must have a plan. He and Ivan must have a plan. Can we please just wait and see what happens. For me, whatever happens I know that Andy is trying his best and if we support him we will always cheer him on. We are supporters, not tennis experts, otherwise we would be supporting some of you.
jeannie13
01-03-2013, 10:11
We are Andy's fans. Nay we are devoted supporters so what can we say regarding his non-playing/training time. I do think it very presumptuous of us to start criticising him and Lendl. Whatever they are doing they are doing for Andy. So let us wait and see what happens. Forgive me, but you are not world beating tennis champions so please, please give our boy a chance. He must have a plan. He and Ivan must have a plan. Can we please just wait and see what happens. For me, whatever happens I know that Andy is trying his best and if we support him we will always cheer him on. We are supporters, not tennis experts, otherwise we would be supporting some of you.
Well said Maureen!! I realise that people on the forum are missing seeing Andy play, but Andy & Ivan know what they are doing. I am reminded of what Ivan said several months ago that Andy is
only at 20% of what he can achieve, I'm looking forward to seeing this percentage climbing!!:highfive:
In Ivan we trust!!! The work they are doing now will, I am sure, start to bear fruit. There could be exciting times to come.:trophy:
Agree with Supergran and Jeannie13. Its frustrating not to get any news of how Andy's training has been going this month with Ivan, but we just have to trust them to get it right. Look at the difference Ivan made last year and they really didn't have that much time together in good solid blocks. I think the December 2012 training and this month's block will really pay dividends. Andy's already said that this year he wants to improve his clay court game and do better in the Masters tournies. We just have a few more days to wait patiently before we see our boy in action again, I can't wait and I just know Andy is going to do fabulous things this year :) The Aussie Open last month was just the starter for 10.
david1610
01-03-2013, 15:00
I actually think the silence shows the seriousness (and resulting importance) of the work being done!
I think Andy and Roger are both looking to shorten points, but for very different reasons. Roger because of his age and Andy because of his increasing self-confidence in his attacking game.
With respect, Andy has been reinventing himself - given his attachment to defensive play earlier in his career, I do not think reinventing is too strong a word in fact!
Couldn't agree more and with other comments above! Something had to change from the last few post Oz Opens so for me this augurs well.
MurrayAOne
01-03-2013, 22:10
I do think re-inventing is too strong a word. It suggests wiping the slate clean and starting again. I think Andy's slate was always pretty good. Just needed honing and molding into the requirements of a Grand Slam winner. Duly achieved. He always had it in him; as he has it in him to win more. Still - what's in a word? Whatever it is - keep it coming. Exciting times ahead. We have a champion in every sense of that word.
david1610
01-03-2013, 22:37
I do think re-inventing is too strong a word. It suggests wiping the slate clean and starting again. I think Andy's slate was always pretty good. Just needed honing and molding into the requirements of a Grand Slam winner. Duly achieved. He always had it in him; as he has it in him to win more. Still - what's in a word? Whatever it is - keep it coming. Exciting times ahead. We have a champion in every sense of that word.
Yes, what's in a word.....
I think we are seeing a player whose default was defence and being reactive becoming a player whose default will be attack and being proactive. It is certainly a big change whatever it is called!
MurrayAOne
01-03-2013, 23:11
Yes, what's in a word.....
I think we are seeing a player whose default was defence and being reactive becoming a player whose default will be attack and being proactive. It is certainly a big chance whatever is is called!
...good choice of words...!
david1610
02-03-2013, 10:47
...good choice of words...!
Yes.... wonder if I can blame the keyboard? :)
david1610 posts that we will soon be seeing "a player whose default was defence and being reactive becoming a player whose default will be attack and being proactive. It is certainly a big change whatever it is called! "
brave words, and mr lendl may well be aiming for that, but how soon can andy fulfil?
watched fedX yesterday, in his attempts to serve/volley against berdych, not very successfully and not very often. berdych won too. if fedX is having a job changing what was already an aggressive play into something more fearsome, i think andy may well struggle to commit to it.
Really! I think you are very far from the truth re Andy, but we will all have to wait and see. However I believe that Andy and Lendl will prove all the doubters wrong.
david1610
02-03-2013, 17:38
david1610 posts that we will soon be seeing "a player whose default was defence and being reactive becoming a player whose default will be attack and being proactive. It is certainly a big change whatever it is called! "
brave words, and mr lendl may well be aiming for that, but how soon can andy fulfil?
watched fedX yesterday, in his attempts to serve/volley against berdych, not very successfully and not very often. berdych won too. if fedX is having a job changing what was already an aggressive play into something more fearsome, i think andy may well struggle to commit to it.
There is a big difference between adopting serve/volley and what we may well see with Andy. I agreed with my commies yesterday that Roger likes to try and stay on top of Birdy and not let him get into rallies and get that forehand booming away. Unfortunately for Roger, he is finding it increasingly difficult to maintain a certain level of play over a set never mind a match.
I am not talking about serve and volleying though we have spoken about Andy gliding in to the net more often to put away points but that is not the same thing.
It is about shot selection and trying to dictate points. Ivan I am sure would like Andy to conserve his energy, certainly throughout a GS and win with the minimum expenditure of energy. That applies to matches, sets, games and, ultimately, points. If you are more proactive, it is harder for your opponent to get on top of you.
Look at Andy's serving (convinced he is taking something off the first serve in the first point to get it in btw) and the increased danger of the forehand. Making his serve much more harder to break. Andy's stats when he was coming up and even when he was in the top four tended to be winning sets not by breaking once, but by having to break service twice as his OWN service tended to be broken once. Now if he can keep his serving at the level it was a lot of the time of the AO matches he can win a lot of sets by breaking once and not being broken at all.
Andy's stats over the years have emphasised the strength of his returning. Roger in his prime did it on the accuracy and placing of his serves - you knew that if he broke you could just about kiss the set goodbye. Much as I love Andy's style of tennis, if he got a break early on in a set I never assumed he would serve the set out automatically but expected more fun and games throughout the set and actually have always hoped the break would come towards the end of a set.
And getting matches over more quickly against the lower ranked, by being more proactive, will only be to the good. If everything hopefully goes well in the early rounds of Masters and GSs this year, I am also looking forward to seeing how Andy plays matches against those ranked around 11-20 - again, coming up, his stats were better against 1-10 than 11-20. Wouldn't it be nice to just about banish the murray coasters, certainly before he meets the very top players!
Terrible withdrawal symptoms. Have looked through my 52 DVDs and am now watching Andy's match against Cilic at the
Australian Open 2010. Thank goodness there is only a week to go until we can watch his unique style of tennis.
RoastLamb
02-03-2013, 21:20
52 DVDs. :shocked: I'm OK with Andy not playing coz I've had three weeks of Rafa and a couple of Milos. My fave part of the tennis year is always April-July.
LC the fan
03-03-2013, 12:55
Sat watching the US open final last night - I'll never get tired of that one but I didn't record the final of the Olympics. Does anyone know if it is available anywhere ?? I would love to see it again
Sat watching the US open final last night - I'll never get tired of that one but I didn't record the final of the Olympics. Does anyone know if it is available anywhere ?? I would love to see it again
The entire match is on the Olympic youtube channel so it's not the BBC commentary but that's not a problem as the sound is so out of sync with the pictures that it's almost unwatchable unless it's on mute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPUhGNmW4Pc
supergran
03-03-2013, 16:59
I'm not sure if the Olympic Final is available on DVD now. I tried to find one recently but had no luck So I would be grateful for any info.
A good site for Andy DVD's is TennisDVDWorld.net. I have had lots from them and they are good quality and quickly delivered. They are £9-00 each now but they have all Andy's Olympic matches and the US Open final.
A good site for Andy DVD's is TennisDVDWorld.net. I have had lots from them and they are good quality and quickly delivered. They are £9-00 each now but they have all Andy's Olympic matches and the US Open final.
Wow I didn't know of this site's existance!
I have the Olympic final as I recorded it, and was given the dvd of the US Open final for Christmas - but this is definitely worth knowing about! Thanks!
I never get tired of watching that Olympic final !!!!!
RoastLamb
03-03-2013, 19:42
Me neither. I treasure it!!!
MurrayAOne
03-03-2013, 20:05
david1610 posts that we will soon be seeing "a player whose default was defence and being reactive becoming a player whose default will be attack and being proactive. It is certainly a big change whatever it is called! "
brave words, and mr lendl may well be aiming for that, but how soon can andy fulfil?
watched fedX yesterday, in his attempts to serve/volley against berdych, not very successfully and not very often. berdych won too. if fedX is having a job changing what was already an aggressive play into something more fearsome, i think andy may well struggle to commit to it.
I don't understand the last comment here either. Whatever problems Federer has in changing have no bearing on Andy - who needs no yardstick to be measured by. Also who is this Andy who struggles to commit anyway? Not the one I watch. The 'defence - reactive' and 'attack - proactive' comment is spot on for me. More power to his proactive elbow.
MurrayAOne
03-03-2013, 20:09
I never get tired of watching that Olympic final !!!!!
Me neither. It's an absolute joy and I can never wait to get to the end! :)
jeannie13
03-03-2013, 22:06
A good site for Andy DVD's is TennisDVDWorld.net. I have had lots from them and they are good quality and quickly delivered. They are £9-00 each now but they have all Andy's Olympic matches and the US Open final.
I got a dvd of Andy's US Open win from them. It was the Sky version & very good. They have a lot of matches going back several years--it's worth a look.
hi, thanks for the steer to the DVD site. and now for more musings. murrayAOne writes "Whatever problems Federer has in changing have no bearing on Andy - who needs no yardstick to be measured by. Also who is this Andy who struggles to commit anyway?" well, lendl certainly has a yardstick, and i'm sure andy has too. why train if you think you're perfect, why spend money on a coach if you're already top notch? but fedX, the GOAT, who is naturally offensive, in his style of tennis, still thinks he (fedX) needs to improve. i think that is admirable, and a good example for andy. and you know lots of andy's fans have been saying for at least three years that he needs to be more aggressive. isn't that why he brought lendl on board? when i say andy "struggles to commit" i mean andy is now more receptive to the idea of aggressiveness, but it's not natural to him, in his hands, his body, his play on court all alone in a tight game.
MurrayAOne
04-03-2013, 19:11
More musings! My comment about the yardstick was in reply to the suggestion that because Federer apparently has a problem changing that Andy will struggle too. Doesn't follow at all for me. I also never suggested Andy was perfect. He has always strived to improve and will continue to do so. If you're looking for examples for others check out Andy's commitment and integrity. He has bucket loads of both. A fine example for others - acronyms included! :)
david1610
01-04-2013, 11:47
Just to reactivate this, I am pretty hopeless when it comes to the clay season.
What changes do you think Andy will be trying to implement this year on clay?
Or is it "more of the same! (changes)?
Just to reactivate this, I am pretty hopeless when it comes to the clay season.
What changes do you think Andy will be trying to implement this year on clay?
Or is it "more of the same! (changes)?
If I were Lendl, I'd be trying to make Andy more comfortable on the clay movement-wise - getting him to try to forget about the surface and accept it as natural. Not to fear or fight the sliding. A difficult ask but I think that's one of the main ways, if not the only one, in which Andy needs to improve. Strategy and racket skills he already has in spades.
RoastLamb
01-04-2013, 13:36
Lendl was so good on clay so he must be able to impart his wisdom to Andy.
If Andy can indeed improve his clay court game, he could make up a huge amount of points - he is only defending 720 from last year's clay season against Nole's 2,580 (Fed 2,080, Ferru 1,560, Rafa 4,590).
Doesn't look like Ferru is defending too many too - I bet you he get more ranking points too.
Got to improve that second serve, it'll get eaten alive on clay as it stands.
Got to improve that second serve, it'll get eaten alive on clay as it stands.
I think you could say that as a general rule of thumb but it doesn't seem to have served (no pun intended) him so badly in the clay court season recently. For someone for whom it's really not his best surface, he's done pretty well, second serve or no second serve. Maybe he just needs to slow down and place his first serve more - aces are much harder to come by on clay anyway. Or maybe that's what he's done in the past (can't remember) and that's why he's done not too badly.
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