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Rome Masters, Round 2, Andy Murray vs Marcel Granollers.
Head to heads - Andy is up 2-0. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G710
it's a long time since they met, but their figures point to only one winner - odd if they pointed to more than one!
DaveArneRiise
13-05-2013, 18:32
Granollers is a solid player on clay, very consistent gets a lot of balls back in play. In a way a good matchup for Andy but could also be a nightmare as he is going to have to come out of comfort zone a bit and be a bit more aggressive as Granollers won't give him much pace.
JAMES4578
13-05-2013, 19:49
Feel Andy should certainly continue the winning record but he could well be tested and can't take anything for granted,hopefully he starts off the tournament in good form!
banskogirl
13-05-2013, 20:02
So finger nails at the ready?!
Hopefully not as scary a murraycoaster but a good test
Am booking my place behind the :sofa:
Come on Andy!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
I too am booking my place behind the :sofa:
Hope the :sofa: is big enough for all of us!
Hope the :sofa: is big enough for all of us!
Well I've been on a diet but in this awful weather, a Welsh cake and hot chocolate found their way through my defences........:sad:
Well I've been on a diet but in this awful weather, a Welsh cake and hot chocolate found their way through my defences........:sad:
What a good idea Pam! When does the match get going? Have I time to rustle up some scones?
supergran
14-05-2013, 12:47
Well I've been on a diet but in this awful weather, a Welsh cake and hot chocolate found their way through my defences........:sad:Found myself failing also so probably will need another sofa!:sofa::sofa:
david1610
14-05-2013, 14:26
As always, it all depends on which Andy takes to the court!
What a good idea Pam! When does the match get going? Have I time to rustle up some scones?
Definitely! Cheese and sweet for me please - one of each!
Andy on second, after Tsonga v Janowicz which starts at 12.00 (11.00 in UK).
Schedule (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/schedule.aspx?EventId=416)
Andy second up on centre. Rats.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/schedule.aspx?EventId=416
hfwardhouse
14-05-2013, 18:26
Andy second up on centre. Rats.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/schedule.aspx?EventId=416
Indeed :grrr:
Will have to record :grrr:
The Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:
Good luck Andy!!!!! Hope he wins on his birthday!
Sallydaisy
14-05-2013, 23:48
Andy second up on centre. Rats.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Scores/schedule.aspx?EventId=416
Humph!!!
Deffo going to miss this one ...
... going off this working full-time lark, not conducive to watching tennis!!!
:p
Am on a course today so won't be able to watch. :sad: Unless they don't mind if I have my laptop running in the background! :laugh: Good luck Andy!!
patmoren
15-05-2013, 08:09
Another afternoon match which will clash with school pickup and football practice, unless Andy can get it finished by 3pm!!!
patmoren
15-05-2013, 08:10
Humph!!!
Deffo going to miss this one ...
... going off this working full-time lark, not conducive to watching tennis!!!
:p
Commiserations Sally, keep working hard!
Best of luck on court,:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: and Happy Birthday:party:
This should be fairly straightforward (*antijinx*) - Granollers likes to play hard-hitting baseline rallies and Andy will confound him by changing the pace to draw errors.
Anyway, good luck Andy and happy birthday! :thumbup:
Janowicz has taken the first set off Tsonga in only 37 minutes. Andy could be on earlier than we thought - I'd better get my lunch now!
LC the fan
15-05-2013, 11:15
Can't watch this one, I m afraid. Catch you tomorrow Andy.......JUST MAKE SURE YOU RE THERE TOO
Oh. And happy birthday..have a good one
Jerzy wins, Andy on soon.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 11:45
Lets go Andy lets go, make this a fab week!
supergran
15-05-2013, 11:59
Let's go Andy, let's go!!!!
just home in the nick of time!
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:08
1-1 so far so good
Barry Flatman @Barry_FlatmanST 1m
Andy Murray holding his back and grimacing in Rome. It's a seasonal thing but please Virginia Wade, don't call him a drama queen again
david1610
15-05-2013, 12:21
Sigh.... never easy watching a first match is it?
Try and break back. C'mon Andy!
Andy is playing Granollers game instead of mixing things up. Come on Andy!
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:28
Um 2-5 how did that happen?! Stopped watching for a minute!
Granollers playing very aggressively today.
Brad Gilbert @bgtennisnation 1m
I did not see this coming from Granola bars who came into this match with a 7-11 record this year, he is playing attacking and inspired ATM
david1610
15-05-2013, 12:30
Um 2-5 how did that happen?! Stopped watching for a minute!
An excellent tennis player is playing a very good clay courter.... on clay!
This is like an advanced class in playing on clay for Andy but unfortunately to the coach's advantage!
oh boy :sad:
better 2nd set hopefully
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:33
ouch first set gone - 2 to go!
Anyone ftm this?
Granollers played really well - love the way he comes to the net.
Come on Andy!
No, I thought Marcel would be a bit tricky in the first set but predicted Andy would take the first set on a tb.
I wish Andy would end the tradition of winning the toss then choosing to receive, it just adds unnecessary pressure.
Win in 3 it is then.
what passive stuff from andy, doesn't he want to win today?
I wish Andy would end the tradition of winning the toss then choosing to receive, it just adds unnecessary pressure.
Win in 3 it is then.
Agreed. He looks to me like he wants to forget the whole claycourt season!
Apparently it is spitting with rain in Rome at the moment.
I wonder if a rain delay if it gets worse would be good for Andy.
I actualy thought Andy wouldn't have too many problems today - how wrong was I? I think he's a bit worried about his back....
It's cold and damp in Rome today so that does tend to exacerbate aches & pains - although of course it's the same for both players.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:40
Def something up with him
david1610
15-05-2013, 12:41
Finally some aggression... great point by Andy. C'mon. Use it!
Should be seeing that a bit more pop on the shots makes a difference...
That was a very entertaining point, there have been several of those.
I know Andy does "go to the back" when things are not going too well but this does look more serious than usual.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:47
Oh dear oh dear broken again
david1610
15-05-2013, 12:47
If Andy loses serve, I do not see him breaking Granollers unless he has an off game.
Andy normally does not hit the ball at maximum hardness unless he is playing so well he "cannot miss" but today I think that is the only solution even if he has to take a few misses..
And he does lose serve. Credit to Granollers though. Great play.
And Andy has to go for his shots.
Granollers is playing patterns that are completely automatic to him on clay. Andy is still searching for a game plan. If it has to be power, so be it. Better than just passive because this will be over soon otherwise.
C'mon Andy!
Oh dear after all that I really hoped he'd get that game :sad:
The longer a game goes the more Andy may find his footing.
Mike Dickson Mike Dickson @Mike_Dickson_DM 1m
Never easy to assess with Murray but I'd say his back is bothering him. Something is. Peculiar game sees him broken again for 36 01.
Barry Flatman @Barry_FlatmanST 9m
Precipitation increasing in rainy Roma. Break in proceedings would benefit Murray right now but no Lendl to voice a few locker room pointers
Andy breaks back! :cheer:
Def something up with him
Nothing wrong with him, he is always like that on clay, like a lampost with a racket. Just have to face it and wait for grass an hard court.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 12:59
Andy getting physio
Trainer on, doing stretches for back/hip.
Andy is having a time out with the trainer. The trainer is working on left hip for some of the time.
The stretches & massage that the trainer did were exactly the same as my physio did on me for sore sacroileac joint.
Mike Dickson @Mike_Dickson_DM 4m
Trainer on for Murray, he's lying down on the clay being treated. Some in the crowd booing but AM v rarely calls for physio in matches.
I wish he would just stop and not do any more damage
andy is just playing to lose quickly and get off court
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:07
Worried now that he may exacerbate the problem. Poor Andy!
david1610
15-05-2013, 13:07
Even if there is a physiological problem, the bigger problem is knowing how to play on clay.
Over five sets at RG he stands more of a chance, but what I have seen so far on clay this year, unfortunately it is one more year without the clay connundrum being solved.
But at least he is not retiring and - although the crowd have not realised it - showing his professionalism to allow them a full match and Granollers a victory. Well done for that.
But go even more back to basics on clay. It is not a question of putting cream on top of the cake. The cake itself needs rebaking.
Oh well...
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:14
I dont think this match is over yet murray better service game now
Come on Andy :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:19
The sun is out and Andy is back...hopefully. Go Andy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Dickson @Mike_Dickson_DM 7m
Murray has now won the last 2 games and got one of the breaks back for 3-4 in 2nd. Granollers looks confused. He's not the only one.
david1610
15-05-2013, 13:23
Good fight back. This is the key game perhaps.
C'mon Andy!
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:23
Great shot!!
david1610
15-05-2013, 13:27
Stay positive Andy. He will be nervous serving it out. Controlled aggression.
C'mon Andy!
another chance to break back?
Oh heck .... late lunch break at work - COME ON ANDY!!!!!
EDIT: score please anyone??
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:31
5-5 andy just broke back whilst granola was serving for the match!
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:32
:dance::dance:Come on Andy!!
Phew! Got livescore up on my phone now, come on Andy, you can still do this!!
loves these chances to break back
wow , just got back to the computer , thought this was over ... silly me
Mike Dickson @Mike_Dickson_DM 3m
Granollers just served for the match at 5-4 into the wind and was broken. One of the stranger sets to witness this year.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:40
tiebreak booooooooooooo
david1610
15-05-2013, 13:40
Stay aggressive! C'mon Andy! TB.
Well I'm not sure how he's managed it, but from looking down and out Andy has managed to get to a tie break. C'mon Muzz.....
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:44
KEEP GOING ANDY!! You can do this!!
Andy wins the second set 7-6 - what a great recovery!!:yahoo::yahoo:
well I'm not sure I quite believe that!
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:47
:yahoo::yahoo::cheer::cheer:
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:47
Argh my stream froze missed it!
what a comeback from birthday boy!
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:48
What a shock!! Andy retires!
won the tiebreak, somehow, won the set, and withdraws fro the match
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:49
What a shame he has retired after all that!
Awwww poor Andy, he must be in pain :crying:
Wow! Much respect to Andy not retiring in the second set but this injury is now a major concern.
kenny009uk
15-05-2013, 13:50
Correct move tbh. Very sensible
more serious than we thought obviously :(
Whaaatt? Wins the tie break and retires? Very confused now.
david1610
15-05-2013, 13:51
In years to come, if we ever play Andy trivial pursuit, this is one match to remember.
Hope that is a precautionary pre-grand slam retirement and nothing serious.
Weather,courts and draw and recuperation critical for Andy. Sometimes RG plays like a surface friendlier to hard court and grass players than other days/courts/weather patterns
I wonder if that was Andy's answers to the booing when he was 1-4 down..
traveller7
15-05-2013, 13:54
Hopefully its precautionary for future tournaments rather than a serious injury
Will someone please shut up Barry Cowan - nothing Andy does is every right for him.
Difficult to see it as precautionary as then he should have retired after the MTO. It's whether this is an injury as a result of the clay or the ongoing "chronic" back problem. It's now clear however why he doesn't play any other clay court tournaments as the toll is too great. He looked very upset after, worrying.
supergran
15-05-2013, 13:59
Barry Cowan is setting my teeth on edge. Being horrible about Andy in the studio!!:red devil::furious::furious::furious:
Will be very interesting to hear what Andy has to say in his presser. Really hope the back problem isn't too serious - but 11 days till RG so hopefully time to get it sorted.
HoopGirl
15-05-2013, 14:07
Poor Andy - he never retires - he must be very worried about this.
And its his birthday too!
I remember him losing on his birthday on a previous year.
i hope this doesnt bode badly for Wimbledon!
As this is only Andy's second retirement ever from a match, I would think it's more than just precautionary. If the injury is indeed caused by the adjustment to clay, maybe he should in future avoid playing on clay at all :sad:
Somebody tell Bazza Cowan that Granollers didn't win the second set with his "much respect" and "the correct man went through".:grrr:
Jonathan Overend @5livetennis 5m
Amazing that Murray's only previous retirement was also on his birthday - 2007 in Hamburg - when his wrist went.
Interesting mind-set, - to level the match at a set-all & then stop. There's an opinion that follows him saying he hates to lose, more than he loves to win, this action could be seen as backing that up.
He let Granollers know (& the rest of the tennis world?) he wasn't beaten.
I do not think this will affect him that much, I believe his hip is bothering him but with dreadful condition and lumps of clay under your feet why give it your all, especially with such a long season still ahead. With a loss of only 80 points and already seeded @ #2 for RG good decision to retire unbeaten. I wish Barry Cowan would shut the **** up, he is such an AH, I feel like putting a foot in his fat gob. Excuse me if I offend anyone here but really the way he laid into Andy angered me.
traveller7
15-05-2013, 14:23
Many other players would of had trainers out for ages on end and then retired before andy did so well done to andy for being a sportsman and not a wimp!
supergran
15-05-2013, 14:23
Somebody tell Bazza Cowan that Granollers didn't win the second set with his "much respect" and "the correct man went through".:grrr:Barry Cowan is an odious prat. I have sent tweet to @skysportstennis saying that he was out of order. Disgraceful and he pretends to be so sincere.
Barry Cowan is setting my teeth on edge. Being horrible about Andy in the studio!!:red devil::furious::furious::furious:
Who is he and what is his fame in tennis as I do not know him ?
jeannie13
15-05-2013, 14:31
I do not think this will affect him that much, I believe his hip is bothering him but with dreadful condition and lumps of clay under your feet why give it your all, especially with such a long season still ahead. With a loss of only 80 points and already seeded @ #2 for RG good decision to retire unbeaten. I wish Barry Cowan would shut the **** up, he is such an AH, I feel like putting a foot in his fat gob. Excuse me if I offend anyone here but really the way he laid into Andy angered me.
I agree with every word you said ,Rouges. Barry Cowan is an abomnible man,who talks balderdash!!
I remember that Andy once said that Bc knew as much about tennis as a sparrow how true!!:barmy::furious:
Andy once tweeted "Barry Cowan is a tool" :rolling:
He deleted the tweet later, probably at the behest of his PR people.
Barry Cowan is an odious prat. I have sent tweet to @skysportstennis saying that he was out of order. Disgraceful and he pretends to be so sincere.
Of course aided and abetted by Annabel Croft whose 2 eldest children (both over 18) have tweeted in the past they "hate Andy Murray". One can only imagine what she really says about Andy.
supergran
15-05-2013, 14:38
Of course aided and abetted by Annabel Croft whose 2 eldest children (both over 18) have tweeted in the past they "hate Andy Murray". One can only imagine what she really says about Andy.She also seems to revel in Andy's losses and she is a creep as well. The pair of them make me so angry I could spit! Didn't know that about her offspring. What are their names...would like to read their tweets.
Shame Andy had to retire, but he knows what is best for him, hoping it is only precautionary.....enjoy the rest of your Birthday Andy!!!!:thumbup:
What are their names...would like to read their tweets.
Really? I wouldn't.
She also seems to revel in Andy's losses and she is a creep as well. The pair of them make me so angry I could spit! Didn't know that about her offspring. What are their names...would like to read their tweets.
Found her son's tweet during the Olympics.
https://twitter.com/Charlie_C1/status/221927249581051904
Who is he and what is his fame in tennis as I do not know him ?
He relied on wild cards to get him into Wimbledon and never got beyond the first round. He took Pete Sampras to 5 sets in I think 2001 [it was one of Pete's last Wimbledons], and, of course, flunked the fifth. :rolling:
Annabel and him have no right to be so critical of Andy's retiral - Andy felt he couldn't play a third set so retired. End of story - we don't know what pain Andy was in. Haven't other players retired in the middle of matches?
Hope Andy will be OK for the French Open as well as Queens and Wimbledon.
I really feel good now knowing that I'm not the only one who thought they were way out of order.
kenny009uk
15-05-2013, 15:36
I really feel good now knowing that I'm not the only one who thought they were way out of order.
Oh dear
Mike dickson just tweeted -
@Mike_Dickson_DM: Andy Murray says its 'unlikely' he will play french open due to lower back problems.
I was thinking that myself - better to miss the French and concentrate on being really fit for Queen's and Wimbledon
The events of today are very worrying - whenever Andy plays on his birthday it seems like it's a bit of a curse, from memory he's only won one match (?) that's been played on his birthday. He looked very tearful walking off court, I pray that it's simply an injury that will take time to heal up rather than something career-threatening. :(
I also have the controversial view that if Andy's in any doubt, he should miss the French Open - yes it's a Slam, but realistically he's unlikely to win it based both on form and clay court expertise, and I think he would be better to concentrate on being fully fit for the grass courts (where's been twice a Queen's champion, a Wimbledon finalist and an Olympic gold medalist) and the hard courts (where he's been US Open champion), rather than playing at 60% - 80% for a tournament that he'd be unlikely to win at 100%.
As to Barry Cowan - yes, I agree, he's not in a position to criticise Andy. Unfortunately, his counter-argument would be that, as a sports commentator, that's his job and what he's being paid to do. The fault in my mind lies with Sky Sports for hiring him in the first place. I think some of what causes frustration from both us fans and Andy himself is that Cowan never actually played at Andy's level, or at least only on very rare occasions - the physical, mental and emotional demands placed upon Andy on a day-to-day basis are a world away from the level where Cowan plied his trade...
Even though I don't agree with a lot of what Greg Rusedski says, I find it easier to take from him because he was close to the top of his field, having spent a long time in the world's top 20, a career-high ranking of world no.4, and a Grand Slam final. But yeah, I wasn't impressed with the Sky commentators in the studio today either! ;)
Just to add, today's events and why Andy retired when he did remind me a lot of this moment from Jimmy Connors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An72DZvTBmA
Take care... :)
Madeline
15-05-2013, 15:44
I missed all this.
I said all clay season he didn't look himself. As somebody who has had back problems for over 30 years, I feel for him. In my experience the problem doesn't go away, though sometimes the problem is not too bad. But then I'm not trying to play professional tennis! It seemed to start last year in the clay season, who can forget the back spasms in the match with Nieminen, and the fact he was having to have pain-killing injections.
I hope it is something that can be sorted and if he has to have a break from tennis for a while, so be it. His long-term health is the most important thing.
Sky just showed a snippet of an interview with Andy. Andy looked very down. Andy says they will be making a plan for the next 4 days or so and then maybe make a decision on the French in 5 days or so. He also admitted it was the same problem as last year.
I hope he has another steriod injection like he did last year.
Barry Flatman @Barry_FlatmanST 4m
Certainly seems Murray's lower back is going to be a problem throughout his career. Almost squirmed when asked if surgery was a potential
Sky Sports Tennis @SkySportsTennis 1m
Andy Murray may pull out of the French Open due to a lower back injury: "I would be very surprised if I was playing in Paris," he said.
DaveArneRiise
15-05-2013, 16:02
Back problems are a nightmare. At 18 I developed severe stiffness in my legs, and haven't been able to play sport since. That's nearly 5 years. Furthermore recently discovered the issue lies in the spine, and the stiffness in the legs is a result contradictions within my spine. Another scan next week will reveal the true extent and I hope I can play sport again. But 5 years of not being to do play sport you have to treat it, doesn't just magically go away. So ultimately the back is not something you can just turn a blind eye too. I'm sure Andy's isn't as serious but he should be rigoursly tested.
Very true. Sorry yours is so bad, Dave.
Andy's back may have been playing up even before the clay season - did I mention in my MC blog that I was worried about his back during his first match?
Greg Sharko @SharkoTennis 3m
@andy_murray retired for only 2nd time in 529 singles matches @ATPWorldTour. Only player in Top 10 w/fewer RET, #RogerFederer (0).
Sky just showed a snippet of an interview with Andy. Andy looked very down. Andy says they will be making a plan for the next 4 days or so and then maybe make a decision on the French in 5 days or so. He also admitted it was the same problem as last year.
I hope he has another steriod injection like he did last year.
I don't think Andy has ever looked as down as he did in that interview. The only other time he retired from a match - also on his birthday - he missed Wimbledon. I really hope that isn't the case this time round.
Well done Supergran! I'm just about to e-mail Sky about the odious Barry Cowan and the almost as odious Ms Croft. Perhaps we should all do the same.
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline 12m
Most alarming thing about Murray news isn't that he might skip RG. It's that he's been struggling with this back issue since 2011. #atp
I don't think Andy has ever looked as down as he did in that interview. The only other time he retired from a match - also on his birthday - he missed Wimbledon. I really hope that isn't the case this time round.
Well done Supergran! I'm just about to e-mail Sky about the odious Barry Cowan and the almost as odious Ms Croft. Perhaps we should all do the same.
You could also put a bit about Castle maybe ;)
banskogirl
15-05-2013, 17:35
Just to add, today's events and why Andy retired when he did remind me a lot of this moment from Jimmy Connors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An72DZvTBmA
Take care... :)
Yes feel really sorry for Andy today, can see the pain on Jimmy's face and if Andy was feeling half that I'm amazed he finished the set. I suppose in a way it proved he didn't need to keep on. He can win a set on clay so why push an injury any further.
As for BC he is a disgrace! I actually thought Croft was trying to take Andy's part but didn't have the backbone to answer BC back. He talks the biggest load of rubbish, how are you supposed to know how you will feel until you begin play, and then do you keep going until you are carried off on a stretcher?! Sooooo mad at him today!
Anyway lets hope Andy enjoys the rest of his birthday, he has known this for longer than we have and has probably been dreading pulling out. Now he can relax and heal! :grouphug:
banskogirl
15-05-2013, 17:40
Andy once tweeted "Barry Cowan is a tool" :rolling:
He deleted the tweet later, probably at the behest of his PR people.
I remember this! It came into my phone before Andy deleted it! :bravo:
Yes feel really sorry for Andy today, can see the pain on Jimmy's face and if Andy was feeling half that I'm amazed he finished the set. I suppose in a way it proved he didn't need to keep on. He can win a set on clay so why push an injury any further.
As for BC he is a disgrace! I actually thought Croft was trying to take Andy's part but didn't have the backbone to answer BC back. He talks the biggest load of rubbish, how are you supposed to know how you will feel until you begin play, and then do you keep going until you are carried off on a stretcher?! Sooooo mad at him today!
Anyway lets hope Andy enjoys the rest of his birthday, he has known this for longer than we have and has probably been dreading pulling out. Now he can relax and heal! :grouphug:
I have no time for Ms Croft but I do agree with you on this occasion banksogirl - Cowan was so out of order that even Croft was embarrassed.
As this is only Andy's second retirement ever from a match, I would think it's more than just precautionary. If the injury is indeed caused by the adjustment to clay, maybe he should in future avoid playing on clay at all :sad:
My thoughts precisely as I was watching, Linda. I was thinking Rafa has avoided some of the hard court stretch this year, maybe Andy needs to do the same with clay.
Watched the "match" on record and I was horrified by the first set - Andy was clearly in serious physical trouble. I think he probably wanted to finish and indeed win the second set to satisfy himself and observers that he could "do better" even in pain.
I really hope this isn't too serious and that another injection may do the trick. Really don't think he should play RG.
what a bummer eh guys :crying:
Poor Andy
anyone care to fill me in on what the idiotic Cowan said ?? Sounds like it was pretty bad.
david1610
15-05-2013, 18:07
Just read posts on here so I am still not completely sure as to what extent playing on clay causes a, or worsens an existing, back problem.
If the latter, then Rafa and Andy can "job share" a role with one on and one off during the clay season, and the other in the latter part of the year's hard court season.
I would be very surprised if Andy played in pain in that purple patch between Wimbledon and the US Open (and a bit beyond) last year.
I hope the back problem is manageable. And FWIW Grand Slams, and if necessary only 3 each year, are the important part of Andy's career.
All the best Andy!
:sad: Not the news I wanted to hear as I returned home and open up the laptop...
Really hope this injury is not serious, we're getting very close towards the awesome summer and grass court part of the season, and more importantly two slams!
Corr, just watched his interview, a bit sharp at the beginning wasn't he? Poor guy, but he must have known this was a real probability for quite some time.
Its been pretty obvious from the start of the clay court season, or even the last couple of months that he hasn't served right; and on clay, moved right. Its been mentioned how poor and passive his clay game has looked, and that just doesn't add up considering the way he's been playing the last year or so. He has the game now to play well on clay!
From the interview I suppose we're to assume its the same injury that made him pull out at the O2 in 2011? I'd be interested to know if the left side is also the leg where his knee cap is in two parts. I've torn my cruciate in my right knee, and i've struggled to get back to full fitness without lots of little niggles all over my right side, including my hip on my right side, particularly when playing tennis.
The thought of surgery is a bit of a nightmare, but it might well be the case for him somewhere down the line. I'm still not sure how he made it through the grass season the last two years, after the ankle in 2011, and the back in 2012. Clay just seems to batter him, you can add his wrist and his elbow to that list.
Lets just hope he pulls out of the french purely on a precautionary level, but I fear given Andy's strong desire to compete, the pulling out of the french would signal a far greater injury problem.
Still early days, but this does feel like his biggest injury problem to date since his wrist.
JAMES4578
15-05-2013, 18:39
So gutting the ways today's match unfolded and on Andy's birthday of all days! Really feel for him and just hope the back issue won't be too problematic. However, it was obviously a major concern today and retiring was the only course of action. We know Andy is no quitter and his dedication is 2nd to none and was outraged when I heard the reports of Cowan's comments and of course others will jump on the bandwaggon! Obviously Andy needs to look after himself and will hopefully be in better physical condition soon. Think it would probably be wise to skip the French this year.
Just read posts on here so I am still not completely sure as to what extent playing on clay causes a, or worsens an existing, back problem.
If the latter, then Rafa and Andy can "job share" a role with one on and one off during the clay season, and the other in the latter part of the year's hard court season.
I would be very surprised if Andy played in pain in that purple patch between Wimbledon and the US Open (and a bit beyond) last year.
I hope the back problem is manageable. And FWIW Grand Slams, and if necessary only 3 each year, are the important part of Andy's career.
All the best Andy!
Well the sliding probably doesn't help.
As for the purple patch - that was following a steroid injection and having had one of those myself for my hip, I can say it has revolutionised my life!
No contrition from Bazza, they just played Andy's press conference but clearly he wasn't listening and said he was actually reassured by what Andy said. Bazza says it's the same muscle spasms in his back he had during last years French Open and that hopefully after a few days rest he'll be fit for this year. :shocked: Bazza's not buying it. Imbecile.
horrible thought, ross hutchins played in pain for a long time
Sallydaisy
15-05-2013, 19:34
Poor Andy!!!
He must have been gutted to have to retire; it's something he so rarely does and it's been twice on his birthday!!! 2007 after that awful wrist injury and now after clearly suffering from this back problem far more than most people had allowed. He hates to lose so that probably explains gritting out the 2nd set tie-break to send out a message that he didn't retire 'just' because he was losing the match.
He has a fantastic team around him and access (and the money to pay) to the best medics in the world so I hope they can really get to the bottom of this problem with a proper diagnosis which will enable Andy and Team Murray to work out what to do for the best in the long term ... He is only 26 (!!!) and players can keep their careers going for a long time in tennis these days (e.g. Tommy Haas who has made it back into the top 20 after a year or so out with injury and surgery) so better to get this sorted NOW and not risk further problems down the line.
Rafa took time out and has come back strong - Andy could do the same but perhaps the way HE plays is less likely to be problematic if he stays off clay. Time will tell.
Meanwhile, I hope he's recovered his emotions and can go and enjoy this evening!
pippadaisy
15-05-2013, 19:36
I havent seen any of this match ,only what was shown on BBc reporting Scotland
so i dont know what the commies said , but having heard them in the past i can imagine
What on earth has Andy done to deserve some of their comments
He is an extremely hard working British tennis player who gives his all for
every match and carries on through pain so as not to dissapoint the audience,
he has won many tournaments, USO AND the olympic gold not to mention a silver in doubles
as well as being a numerous grand slam runner up, quarter finalist ect
They should be PROUD of Andy and his achievements,
What exactly is it these people want from him for goodness sake
Its about time they had commies who are supportive and love to make positive remarks
(i'll do it if there stuck) but i,m sure there are plenty of candidates who would love their jobs
( jealous gits) :grrr::grrr: :furious:
ok rant over :shamed:
So Get well soon Andy take it easy , have some me time with Kim and the doggies
:flowers::grouphug:
and as a footnote not fussed about RG although i'm sure Andy is but the devil dirt doesnt do it for me thats Rafas bag i think
rather Andy took it easy than came back too quick
If Andy had to miss one of the slams, then RG is the best one to miss. Do hope he gets the best advice and treatment. How completely bizarre that the retirement happened on his birthday again, like the wrist injury.
We wish you well, Andy :grouphug:
jeannie13
15-05-2013, 19:59
I've just e=mailed sky sports to complain about cowan. I said I was shocked at his remarks& asked for an apology from him. I said that bc obviously disliked Andy & that it was plain for everyone to see.
banskogirl
15-05-2013, 21:04
I havent seen any of this match ,only what was shown on BBc reporting Scotland
so i dont know what the commies said , but having heard them in the past i can imagine
What on earth has Andy done to deserve some of their comments
He is an extremely hard working British tennis player who gives his all for
every match and carries on through pain so as not to dissapoint the audience,
he has won many tournaments, USO AND the olympic gold not to mention a silver in doubles
as well as being a numerous grand slam runner up, quarter finalist ect
They should be PROUD of Andy and his achievements,
What exactly is it these people want from him for goodness sake
Its about time they had commies who are supportive and love to make positive remarks
(i'll do it if there stuck) but i,m sure there are plenty of candidates who would love their jobs
( jealous gits) :grrr::grrr: :furious:
ok rant over :shamed:
So Get well soon Andy take it easy , have some me time with Kim and the doggies
:flowers::grouphug:
and as a footnote not fussed about RG although i'm sure Andy is but the devil dirt doesnt do it for me thats Rafas bag i think
rather Andy took it easy than came back too quick
Oh Pippadaisy! You made me laugh.....I had to take a big breath after reading your rant, it made me so mad all over again!:bravo:
I love watching play on clay but if Andy needs to leave it out so be it. There are plenty of other trophies :)
Posted on the newspaper thread but belongs here too
ATP youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sUZfFwb73A) - Andy's post Granollers match presser
supergran
15-05-2013, 21:56
I reckon Sky Sports received a lot of tweets (mine included) re Cowan's remarks and Croft's mealy-mouthed platitudes. It was totally out of order and it is beyond me why they can't be as proud of him as his loyal supporters are. Annabel seems to thrive on negativity where Andy is concerned and Barry Cowan's pseudo sympathy fails to hide a dislike of him. If I were prone to violence I'd punch him in the jaw and slap her hard. But as a peace-loving old lady I'll just use the written word. Mind you I did send her a tweet telling her what I thought. First time I've ever done that. I also suggested to Sky Sports that they get rid of them....can't see that happening but the more people complain they should take notice.
banskogirl
15-05-2013, 22:12
:shocked:Oh dear, he actually says its discs! I hadn't heard this part earlier
Poor Andy!
Sallydaisy
15-05-2013, 22:14
It was totally out of order and it is beyond me why they can't be as proud of him as his loyal supporters are.
JEALOUSY.
Their own careers were less than stellar and it's all too easy to use the 'tennis commentator' hat to hide behind whilst sniping at others way more successful than they ever were or could be. As a result they stand for all that is negative about British tennis - and the pity is that so many people take what they say as true.
It's a British malaise that we don't applaud success but seek to find a way to make it less so - the Olympics were a welcome change but the positive effect of that has definitely gone.
:sad:
:shocked:Oh dear, he actually says its discs! I hadn't heard this part earlier
Poor Andy!
Discs is not good :( I hope it's not too serious! If similar to last year Andy needs to rest it!
I really hope Andy skips French Open. Even at the best of time is hard to win French Open. Not properly fit, it's impossible and may cause more harm and possibly risk Wimbledon where if he is fit in my eyes he has a great chance of winning. He has a great team around him and hopefully they will ere on the side of caution
On another note, please can the ATP or the tournaments NEVER allow Andy to play on his birthday? Both of his only retirements came on his birthday. Or he loses or he just wins like last year argh! Poor guy has no luck! He needs to be out celebrating instead :p
:sad: Poor Andy..... It is such shame that his birthday matches seem to be doomed. Really feel for him. Glad I don't have to listen to the British commies don't think my blood pressure could stand it. I'm proud of him, that he determined he needed to retire. That couldn't have been easy for him but looks like he is recognizing that this won't go away and he needs to do something about it. We will just have to wait and see but will support him whatever happens.
I watched the end of the match when I got home yesterday. During the TB, when Andy won points, he didn't look happy. It was almost as though he wanted Granollers to win it but would never "give" it to him. Andy is too much of a professional for that. In hind sight I think he finished that set purely because it could have been the end of the match and then he wouldn't have had to retire and Granollers could have taken more credit.
I too was horrified by BC's comments - who the heck does he think he is??!! Now we know it is the same back problem as previously, we know Andy must have been playing with it niggling for a while so he probably started that match thinking it would be the same as other times he has played through it.
The fact that Andy retired says to me that it is much more serious and I feel very worried for Andy this morning. At first I thought "Oh no, I hope he doesn't miss the French". Now I am thinking "I just hope he is fit for Wimby" :crying::crying:
Judy Murray on BBC Breakfast this morning said that Andy will be having an X-ray today and then decide what to do (although the sport section on R4 said he won't play the French Open). She said his wanting to be good for Wimbledon is a priority and mentioned how strenuous (and damaging) it is on the body playing on clay.
Get better soon Andy!
Judy Murray on BBC Breakfast this morning said that Andy will be having an X-ray today and then decide what to do (although the sport section on R4 said he won't play the French Open). She said his wanting to be good for Wimbledon is a priority and mentioned how strenuous (and damaging) it is on the body playing on clay.
Get better soon Andy!
Yes I saw the interview too - apparently his back has been niggling for "days" I think Judy said though obviously it's been longer than that. Noticeable as soon as he stepped on clay.
Everything crossed for the scan results. Weird, I was just thinking the other day that Andy has managed to stay injury-free for a while. Note to self: must stop thinking Andy-thoughts...
I share everyone's feelings re BC & AC btw - appalling. I put the sound on mute when Barry in mid-rant. He's getting far too big for his boots....as for AC, somehow I never warmed to her.
Anyway here's hoping this won't be a long-term injury - just when he's back at world number 2. At least Judy didn't appear too concerned but she wasn't really there to discuss his problem...
wriggles
16-05-2013, 09:29
Just watched match and bc comments. I would love to see him try and play even on the vets tour with a bad back and not give anything away about an injury. I thought actually annabel was Ok in that iinterview giving Andy credit for getting through 2nd set and she didn't seem to agree with what bazza was saying. Have no respect for his opinion at all. Where's petchy when you need him
...as for AC, somehow I never warmed to her.
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At least you made me laugh amid this bad news.......my immediate reaction was...........when did I miss Andrew Castle's sex change?:lol:
I think Sally's hit the nail on the head - Andy finished and won that set so people couldn't say he pulled out because he was losing - that makes perfect sense.
On the bright side at least things have changed a lot in the last few years - IIRC, people were writing Roger off as "past it" at 26 but now careers are getting longer and longer. So Andy needs to get this sorted (an op might be a difficult decision if that's what's needed) and come back all guns blazing. Selfishly hoping he'll be at the Boodles.
:crying: Oh that presser nearly made me cry. Poor Andy looked so miserable - no one should feel like that on their birthday especially! Hope Team Murray can fix him in time for Wimby. I was looking forward to RG but lets just sacrifice that this year in favour of getting Andy hopefully fit enough to have a good effort in SW19. But what a disaster if he ends up having to miss Wimby as well! Meantime, big hugfor Andy - and for us, with yet more weeks without him :hug:
At least you made me laugh amid this bad news.......my immediate reaction was...........when did I miss Andrew Castle's sex change?:lol:
I think Sally's hit the nail on the head - Andy finished and won that set so people couldn't say he pulled out because he was losing - that makes perfect sense.
On the bright side at least things have changed a lot in the last few years - IIRC, people were writing Roger off as "past it" at 26 but now careers are getting longer and longer. So Andy needs to get this sorted (an op might be a difficult decision if that's what's needed) and come back all guns blazing. Selfishly hoping he'll be at the Boodles.
Glad my post raised a laugh........I was typing in a hurry and didn't realise!! Strangely enough however the other (male version) of AC popped into my mind at the time and I was thinking that although he still gets on my nerves he HAS been a lot kinder about our boy lately.
Editing to add that hopefully the experts will patch him up so he can resume playing fairly soon - I'm sure many players carry some sort of back problem throughout their careers. We all know Fed does and Tim Henman did too, that being the reason he finally retired so hopefully Andy has a few years left yet.
Yes and Agassi had a really shocking back problem - can't imagine how he played through it all those years.
I've just been reading a blog from someone who is volunteering at Rome and she said that when she arrived for work yesterday, she saw that Andy's birthday cake had been left in the fridge and it made her feel sad :sad:
supergran
17-05-2013, 13:59
I've just been reading a blog from someone who is volunteering at Rome and she said that when she arrived for work yesterday, she saw that Andy's birthday cake had been left in the fridge and it made her feel sad :sad:That's made me feel sad. Poor Andy.:sad:
That's made me feel sad. Poor Andy.:sad:
And me :sad: What are we all like?!
Really do hope Andy gets well soon, tennis is never the same without the Big Four :( Vamos Andy!
banskogirl
17-05-2013, 19:15
I've just been reading a blog from someone who is volunteering at Rome and she said that when she arrived for work yesterday, she saw that Andy's birthday cake had been left in the fridge and it made her feel sad :sad:
Aw that is awful! :grouphug: poor Andy :(
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