View Full Version : CANADIAN MASTERS 2013, R3: Andy outhit by Ernie who wins 6'4, 6'3
Sallydaisy
07-08-2013, 18:12
The Wimbledon Champ is on his way in Montreal ...
In Andy's own words "it's very windy here, makes it a bit tricky, timing went off in the 2nd set, Granollers playing well and a very good doubles player so not an easy opponent" ... "Gulbis has given top players a lot of trouble so I know I'll need to up my game"
And he'll have his hands full in R3 that's for sure.
He's up against Ernests Gulbis who, after a time violation from Mo Layhani proceeded to serve underarm to Fognini and won the point. Fognini lost the 2nd set and was caught using some very naughty words on camera (and that earned him a warning from MoLay!!!).
Gulbis came through that match 6'3, 1'6, 6'1.
So, onto this Round 3 match which due to be played on Thursday sometime.
Andy leads their H2H (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858) 5-0 - which is a reassuring stat but it's been 3 years since they met.
Since their last encounter Andy's stock in the game has risen immeasurably whereas Ernie's star has waxed and waned like a yo-yo. No doubt Gulbis is a dangerous player in the early rounds but as can be seen from the stats below Andy has the measure of the Latvian and will hopefully come through.
We'll update with the match time when we know the OOP.
And we'll see whether Andy can demonstrate to Ernie that his tennis isn't boring!
:GBsmile:
Year
Tournament & City
Surface
Round
Winner & Score
2010
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Cincinnati.aspx)
OH, U.S.A.
Hard
R16
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
4-6, 6-3, 7-6(4) Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858#)
2009
US Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/US-Open.aspx)
NY, U.S.A.
Hard
R128
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
7-5, 6-3, 7-5 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858#)
2009
Wimbledon (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Wimbledon.aspx)
Great Britain
Grass
R64
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-2, 7-5, 6-3 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858#)
2008
St. Petersburg (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/St-Petersburg.aspx)
Russia
Hard
R16
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-4, 6-2 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858#)
2008
London / Queen's Club (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/London-Queens-Club.aspx)
Great Britain
Grass
R16
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
5-7, 6-1, 6-4 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=G858#)
david1610
08-08-2013, 00:10
BTW currently raining quite hard in Montreal. Andy did well to get off court reasonably early (twice) and thank goodness his first match was not scheduled late night!
I am sure Andy will be careful in case Gulbis the real tennis player turns up on court!
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 05:03
Andy is 2nd on Central around 19.00 UK time.
He's then 3rd on Court 9 in doubles with Colin!
That's good timing for me!:thumbup:
The Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:
Nice win yesterday, hopefully another win today and then definitely improve from the points gained last year! Good luck Andy! :thumbup:
supergran
08-08-2013, 10:44
Good win yesterday, here's hoping he will do the same today. Good luck Andy!!:thumbup::GBflag:
traveller7
08-08-2013, 10:55
Good luck Andy!
Best of luck Andy. Schedule is horrible though! Hope he is not regretting signing up for dubs......
Best of luck Andy. Schedule is horrible though! Hope he is not regretting signing up for dubs......
He needs matches on court after such a long time off it. All of them are playing Doubles except Nole I think. He needs to get the serves going again. Flembo will have to do 75% of the work.
GOOD LUCK ANDY :GBflag:
All the very best of luck, Andy:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::)
Up on LS now, but not on tv yet. Andy and grassroots tennis being discussed
Andy just came on court - not a very big crowd at the moment
traveller7
08-08-2013, 18:28
http://lsh.streamhunter.eu/static/popups/1631921005350360.html
Link im using which works
daveollie
08-08-2013, 18:29
Come on Andy, time to wipe the floor with 'Daddy's Boy' :-)
KnightOwl
08-08-2013, 18:32
Andy just came on court - not a very big crowd at the moment
No, there's hardly anyone there!
They'll soon be back. They are all doing what I just did - rushed out after the Rafa match to get a drink and something to eat and go to the loo. But I don't have any long queues in my house so I'm back and they're not.
traveller7
08-08-2013, 18:40
I feel like im watching yesterdays match Gublis and Granola look similar!
andy serving better today, no wind, to serve now at 1-2
I feel like im watching yesterdays match Gublis and Granola look similar!
:shocked: I don't think that Ernests and Marcel look anything alike at all!
traveller7
08-08-2013, 18:46
2-2
daveollie
08-08-2013, 18:46
After Andy wins he should give the most boring 'on court' interview, just giving yes's and no's for answers out of irony to take the Michael out of Ernests
traveller7
08-08-2013, 18:47
:shocked: I don't think that Ernests and Marcel look anything alike at all!
Must be my ropey livestream the faces are kinda blurry!
After Andy wins he should give the most boring 'on court' interview, just giving yes's and no's for answers out of irony to take the Michael out of Ernests
Yes, that would be brilliant! He has a great sense of humour, so maybe he will!
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 18:51
Maybe Ernie wouldn't get the irony....
i prefer andy's white version of the adidas shirt, ernests and jerzy sporting the dark version.
andy should have broken in last game so now andy serving at 2-3
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 18:56
3-3 as Muzzah holds to 30.
should have broken there too
david1610
08-08-2013, 19:01
Working so cannot watch. How is it going, please?
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:01
Hmm not taking his bp chances
come on murray!
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 19:02
Working so cannot watch. How is it going, please?
Still on serve and Gulbis up 4-3,however Andy missed chances to break there.
Working so cannot watch. How is it going, please?Gulbis 4-3* Andy squandered a few break points.
daveollie
08-08-2013, 19:03
Working so cannot watch. How is it going, please?Murray looking the better player out there but so far no breaks yet
andy serving at 3-4, had ernests 0-40 but the lad came back with some better serves. andy trying to paint the lines, the blue stuff would suffic
nice hold. Now for a kitkat please Andy!
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:06
4-4 and a good hold for Andy - so why does he berate himself???
:confused:
crunch time, andy serving at 4-5
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:14
*0-30 ... where's the sofa???
Glad it's Petchey and Fleming on commie duty!
Aaaargh Ernests did a Jerzy :sofa:
oh dear this shouldn't be happening
:eek:Ouch - first set gone:eek:
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:16
Gulbis pounced and took his chances and he takes the first set 6'4.
:crying: :crying: :crying: :shocked: I find that hard to believe, I thought Andy was looking the better player :sad:
:crying: :crying: :crying: :shocked: I find that hard to believe, I thought Andy was looking the better player :sad:
he was but he was also careless
:sad: Ernie playing well
still time tho , Andy will come thru hopefully
hfwardhouse
08-08-2013, 19:18
Darnit. Come on Andy!
oops, andy dropped serve, so gulbis wins the first set, and will serve first in this set too. andy's anticipation of where to be to hit the return is terrific
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 19:18
Andy put himself under pressure there though great dropper from Gulbis to get the set points, let's hope Muzzah comes bouncing back!
Andy not showing much intensity...
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 19:26
Come on Andy!
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:31
I leave the room for 5minutes and he loses the set?!
Whats going on come on Andy!
So it's your fault, is it Angela? :lol:
andy having to work VERY hard here, and ernests putting in some great down the line winners
I leave the room for 5minutes and he loses the set?!
Whats going on come on Andy!
perhaps you'd better stay put!
So it's your fault, is it Angela? :lol:
Probably mine as I just got in at set point.
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:33
So it's your fault, is it Angela? :lol:
Yep seems so :sofa::oops::doh:
Commies talking about warnings. Apparently Bernades just had an informal word with Andy. Good for him, that is the way to do it. In the Rafa match, there were no warnings all match and then when Rafa was serving at match point he was given a warning! Terrible umpiring in my opinion.
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:35
0-40 come on andy what you doing?!
don't like this at all:grrr:
If I were not so biased, I would say that this is a very entertaining match.
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:37
Andy drops serve and Ernie is now 3-1 up in the 2nd set ... and with the first set in the bag.
Muzzah looks a tad sluggish out there today ... and Ernie, erm, doesn't.
KnightOwl
08-08-2013, 19:38
Not looking too good right now - c'mon Andy - sort it out!!
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 19:39
Andy a bit sloppy and really needs to find form to turn this around, come on!
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:39
Maybe the doubles wore him out after all!
And yet I would say that Ernie doesn't look half as impressive as Janowicz.
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 19:39
Commies talking about warnings. Apparently Bernades just had an informal word with Andy. Good for him, that is the way to do it. In the Rafa match, there were no warnings all match and then when Rafa was serving at match point he was given a warning! Terrible umpiring in my opinion.
Maybe just a warning about losing to bottle kicker would do?
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline 5m
Neither Murray or Gulbis happy w/ how time violations are being handled in their match. "You need to be consistent," Murray tells Bernardes.
Murray expending more energy talking to umpire than in the rallies. Flat performance from him. Gulbis has been solid. Breaks to lead 3-1.
Ernie very aggressive showing the Champ how it's done...
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:41
great rally and passing shot to get the break back woop!
What a great point! :cheer:
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 19:41
Brilliant shot Andy!
KnightOwl
08-08-2013, 19:41
Much better :clap:
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:41
Extraordinary point ........ and Murray breaks back for 1-1.
Now Ernie had better look out ...
:dance:
daveollie
08-08-2013, 19:41
That's Andy all over, what a point son :-)
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 19:42
Andy digs in there and finds inspiration to break back,let's put Ernie back in the box!
wow, andy breaks back, to serve at 2-3. fantastic pass, refused to lose that point.
I can live without this "start playing once your back is against the wall" nonsense.
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 19:46
Yes!
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:46
3-3 all :phew:
Andy is inclined to hit long and Rafa was too. I think it's to do with these Penn balls, which apparently are only used at two tournaments all year so the players aren't used to them. I think it's difficult to get the spin on them.
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:51
Still on serve but Andy serving at 3-4 needs to hold and break otherwise I can see gubby breaking again :/
andy to serve now at 3-4, his return of serve has gone awol today
could certainly do with more first serves going in
Why is Andy looking for a new racquet in the middle of a game?
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 19:55
Why is Andy looking for a new racquet in the middle of a game?
Busted string.
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:55
Why is Andy looking for a new racquet in the middle of a game?
Broke a string
Come on Muzahhhhhhhhh!
traveller7
08-08-2013, 19:57
Oh dear oh dear Gublis serving for match :facepalm:
:crying: I just choked and spat red wine over a very nice outfit. I hope it comes out in the wash.
It's been poor today. Ernests is playing well but Andy's had no real answers.
so, andy dops serve, spasm in quad muscle too, gulbis serving for the match at 5-3
Must remember to only wear tatty old clothes when watching Andy in future :sad:
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 19:59
Andy faltered really and looks like Gulbis may take advantage, come on Muzzah!
:crying::crying::crying: What can I say?
:crying: :crying: :crying:
traveller7
08-08-2013, 20:00
Such a shame not the best match for Andy
Ah well onwards!
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 20:01
Oh dear, an Ace seals the win for Gulbis and that's Andy out of Montreal.
Ernie wins 6'4, 6'3 and played extremely well and focussed throughout the match but Andy didn't manage to move his game up a notch and find any answers.
:sad:
:oops:Where was the Champ today?
Can't believe it. :sad:
Can't stand Gulbis. Hope someone else demolishes him.
I guess SallyDaisy wins the Bubble Gap (when I saw your entry, I wondered if you knew something the rest of us didn't?)
and ernests serves it out, ending with an ace. on to the doubles, get rid of some frustration there andy
traveller7
08-08-2013, 20:02
Wasnt the Wimby champ out there today
Bad day at the office for Andy. I thought for the most part Gulbis played as though he wanted it more. At least Andy wasn't defending heaps of points.
glad i didnt decide to go to Montreal for the semis :)
We cant really be too disapponted can we ?? After everything Andy has given us to be soooooo happy about :)
Andy had no answers for Gulbis. I hope Del Potro gets to the Finals now.
hfwardhouse
08-08-2013, 20:02
Oh dear. It was a tricky draw and Andy wasn't at his best. Onwards to Cinci once the dubs is done.
Well, Andy's said he's targeting the slams, so I guess he's not too bothered about the Masters.
Disappointing but not disastrous nor entirely unexpected. Andy's still in the doubles so will still get some extra match practice.
Can't believe it. :sad:
Can't stand Gulbis. Hope someone else demolishes him.
They will I'm sure but it should have been Andy.
JAMES4578
08-08-2013, 20:04
Well credit to Gulbis as he closed it out strongly but a disappointing performance from Andy! Still whilst gutted at this point but of course shouldn't read too much into it,Murray has plenty time to find top form for the US Open.
supergran
08-08-2013, 20:05
Oh well, c'est la vie...as Boris B once said "I lost a match, nobody died". Can't stand Gulbis but he played very well and Andy didn't play as we know he can. Marcus and Barry C driving me mad now! Onwards to Cincy and good luck in the doubles Champ!!
The Rogers Cup and Canada hasn't been fruitful for Andy in recent years and so it continues. A lot of tennis coming up in the next few weeks so not a serious loss at this stage and he's still got the doubles. ;)
Andy did say he wasn't on top form.......well, nothing more to say really......look forward to his presser:sad:
RoastLamb
08-08-2013, 20:06
Boo! Boo! Boo!!!!!
All we need now to cap it all off is Barry Cowan....
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 20:07
Aw well it wasn't Andy's day :( hoping the muscle strain was just a one off, and wishing it hadn't been Gulbis he lost to!
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 20:08
Disappointing but not disastrous nor entirely unexpected. Andy's still in the doubles so will still get some extra match practice.
I hope he IS still in the doubles ... he pulled up short after a point towards the end of the match so I hope he's OK.
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 20:09
All we need now to cap it all off is Barry Cowan....
Yes where did they dig him up from....I haven't seen him since Andy's tweet! Maybe he didn't want to come out until Andy lost a match.
Disappointing. Andy looked far from his best. Not enough first serves and his timing of the ball looked off. Also not enough aggression but that may have been affected by the aforesaid timing. Nothing different from last year and look what happened then.......oops :cauldron: (a precaution). Wish he could up his consistency in the masters tournies though to chase those ranking points. I'm quite sure Andy's bothered about ALL the tournies he plays in, Linda, given the consummate professional and competitor we know him to be. This will have hurt. Let's hope it spurs him on for Cinci.
thats how I feel too banskogirl , not that disappointed that he lost , but that it was to Gulbis
I wish too it hadn't been Gulbis who Andy lost to. Disappointed for Andy but this is his first outing since Wimbledon.
Oh well onwards and upwards to Cincy and hope for better luck for Andy. :sad:
thats how I feel too banskogirl , not that disappointed that he lost , but that it was to Gulbis
I hate him losing to anyone but I know what you mean.....also I worry about the points he hasn't gained.
RoastLamb
08-08-2013, 20:13
But it's Djokvic's first outing since Wimbly also and he seems fine.
Bazza Cowan was employed by Wimbledon Radio and was up to his usual high standard. I noticed he's still not buying Andy's back injury and said before this match that "Andy chose to miss the French Open to be fully prepared for Wimbledon". :grrr:
It wasn't like it was a narrow loss, it was pretty much a thumping - yet he had many chances in that first set and didn't/couldn't take them for whatever reason.
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 20:18
Bazza Cowan was employed by Wimbledon Radio and was up to his usual high standard. I noticed he's still not buying Andy's back injury and said before this match that "Andy chose to miss the French Open to be fully prepared for Wimbledon". :grrr:
Seriously....? What is wrong with him? Eugh........l.
supergran
08-08-2013, 20:21
He is an idiot and jealous of Andy...always has been...and that's what he is.:lol:
banskogirl
08-08-2013, 20:25
I'm off to watch something with hubby :) will find a live score for the double, if Andy and Colin are still playing! Good night all.
But it's Djokvic's first outing since Wimbly also and he seems fine.
yes - I do sometimes think that it seems to take Andy longer than others to get going again.
Rather disappointed by today's performance.
TheHippyJesus
08-08-2013, 21:01
I think he lost because he wanted to go to Federers birthday party. That explains his loss on his birthday in Rome. Andy had his own birthday party planned and it was getting close to him being late so he retired. Andy is a party man.
Sallydaisy
08-08-2013, 21:10
I think he lost because he wanted to go to Federers birthday party. That explains his loss on his birthday in Rome. Andy had his own birthday party planned and it was getting close to him being late so he retired. Andy is a party man.
:lol:
The notion of Andy being a party man would certainly counter Gulbis's comments about the top 4 giving 'boring' interviews ... and, erm, Federer is in Cincy so I hope he's laid on one of his fleet of private planes to jet Andy to the party.
;)
TheHippyJesus
08-08-2013, 21:13
:lol:
The notion of Andy being a party man would certainly counter Gulbis's comments about the top 4 giving 'boring' interviews ... and, erm, Federer is in Cincy so I hope he's laid on one of his fleet of private planes to jet Andy to the party.
;)
He didn't play Rolland Garros because he hurt his back dancing at his party.
HoopGirl
08-08-2013, 21:25
Well that was painful to watch.
Not surprising really given his previous form after a break but nevertheless disappointing.
It would be good to see Andy win these matches as this is where Novak and Nadal have the edge over him.
Gulbis is full of confidence for sure!
Well that was painful to watch.
Not surprising really given his previous form after a break but nevertheless disappointing.
It would be good to see Andy win these matches as this is where Novak and Nadal have the edge over him.
Gulbis is full of confidence for sure!
My thoughts exactly.
LC the fan
08-08-2013, 21:41
Must say I am a bit shell-shocked. Andy just didn't seem to have any answers. He did try to come into the net a bit more but those lobs of Ernie's left him standing.
To be fair Gulbis played very well at the same time that Andy was having a bad day at the office. Ah well - on to Cincy. Its not the end of the world but somehow we've all sort of got used to the winning streak.
I'm gutted - expect we all are :grrr:
What a birthday pres for Fed
Andy did say earlier this year that now he's got a slam (well 2 now) under his belt he was changing his focus from the slams to more consistency in the Masters - we've yet to see that but he has stated it to be his aim. Let's hope Cinci brings better form.
Andy did say earlier this year that now he's got a slam (well 2 now) under his belt he was changing his focus from the slams to more consistency in the Masters - we've yet to see that but he has stated it to be his aim. Let's hope Cinci brings better form.
I thought Andy said that his focus was on the Slams [whilst he was hoping to redress the fact that he'd not always given his full attention to the Masters in the run-up to them].
This article in The Independent makes the point: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/winning-grand-slams-more-important-to-andy-murray-than-becoming-world-no-1-8746984.html
I think playing doubles will be greatly beneficial in his preparation leading up to defending his US title. Hope Andy and Colin can keep the run going.
banskogirl
09-08-2013, 07:51
Yes and the further they go the harder the practise, we would think? Also it must be great from the point of view of a bit of craic with a good mate and keeping Colin's points up for Ross' return!
patmoren
09-08-2013, 08:04
It seemed to be one of those matches where Andy wasn't enjoying his tennis.
Well that was painful to watch.
Not surprising really given his previous form after a break but nevertheless disappointing.
It would be good to see Andy win these matches as this is where Novak and Nadal have the edge over him.
Gulbis is full of confidence for sure!
Gulbis is always full of confidence, if he can add consistency he will be very dangerous, and not just to a (only slightly) below par Andy.
I thought Andy said that his focus was on the Slams [whilst he was hoping to redress the fact that he'd not always given his full attention to the Masters in the run-up to them].
Yep - you're right - in the last few days he has said his focus is on the slams. I'm almost certain though that after the US Open he said in an interview that he wanted to achieve more all round consistency. Maybe his goals have been re-evaluated yet again since then.
well, this will pay me for my smugness hitherto, I really thought that andy would break back when gulbis served for the second set, but ernests didn't blink.
gulbis had andy's number last night, his serves tucked andy up so his return game was negated, and andy's serve was intermittent, several dfs and UEs again.
wish andy would be braver and choose to serve first when he wins the toss. last night just one duff shot lost him the first set with no chance to break back.
overall, gulbis was just smarter, faster, don't know if it was very hot weather in montreal? but andy did seem to be gasping for air - gulbis made him run and gulbis sent so many sharp shots back behind andy. andy didn't seem to get a read on gulbis' serves, nor did he have plan B.
andy has said he learns a lot from his defeats, will take him, and lendl, a time to pick the bones out of that mess.
scrapaddict
09-08-2013, 09:23
Andy will be annoyed with himself but what happened to his serve ?? He always seems to take time to get back after a break but last night was ugly though Gulbis did play well when he needed to.
Glad they won the doubles and hope that form continues.
Looks like a Rafa/Nole final now and I am sad that Andy now seems to be concentrating on the slams because we want to see him playing more consistently on the other tournies otherwise world number 1 is a no no
I went into a post office locally yesterday to buy THE stamps and as I was doing so, had a sudden feeling that Andy would lose this match although I soon talked myself out of it and as he had played reasonably well in the first set, was sure he'd come back in set 2. Disappointing that he didn't show his usual fighting spirit. Anyone know what he said in the presser afterwards? If he had some sort of injury problem, he & Colin wouldn't have done so well in the doubles. He seemed to be lacking in confidence yesterday which is when he tends to revert to default defensive play and loses his aggression.
I suppose these losses are more significant now he is Wimbledon Champ - we naturally expect more and assume he will follow suit. It looks as though Novak struggled a bit in his match but managed to turn it round.
I didn't see the match as I was out last night, but really disappointed with this loss.
I know Andy would rather gather some more GS titles than necessarily get to No.1 - maybe he sees success in the Slams as what people are really remembered for, and getting to No.1 is a by product of getting a couple of slams titles each year. But I did think just in terms of consistency that he was going to try a bit harder with these Masters tournies, sometimes it seems like he isn't really bothered about them, but a title is a title and once he's retired what will go down on the record is X number of Slams, and X number of tour titles, plus X weeks at No.1 (we hope!).
Ah well, at least he got the dubs win with Colin. Let's hope Cinci next week is a bit better - or will we all be back to the sofa and the nail biting in NY???
I was disappointed Andy lost, of course I was, but he can't win every match he plays! Which would we prefer, a 2nd round loss in Montreal or a 2nd round loss at Wimbledon like Fed?? No need to answer that is there?!
Yes, it wasn't the best of days but let's not get down or criticise too much eh? He can't play like the Wimbledon champ every time he steps out on court!
I wish Andy hadn't lost to Gulbis because he sure is full of himself and I don't like him .... but you have to admit he can be amusing at times and I find myself intrigued by what he might do or say next!
I was disappointed Andy lost, of course I was, but he can't win every match he plays! Which would we prefer, a 2nd round loss in Montreal or a 2nd round loss at Wimbledon like Fed?? No need to answer that is there?!
Yes, it wasn't the best of days but let's not get down or criticise too much eh? He can't play like the Wimbledon champ every time he steps out on court!
I wish Andy hadn't lost to Gulbis because he sure is full of himself and I don't like him .... but you have to admit he can be amusing at times and I find myself intrigued by what he might do or say next!
Or a straight sets first round loss at Wimbledon to a 29yr old Belgian ranked 135 who had only won 1 match previously there and this after you had won the French Open. :rolleyes:
You don't see this sort of thing happening to the world number one though, which is another of Andy's stated aims.
RoastLamb
09-08-2013, 13:08
It's still disappointing to see him play lousy in Canada for the third year in a row when he used to perform so well here regularly getting to the semis and winning twice. OK, he has a valid excuse for last year but still. However, onwards and upwards.
You don't see this sort of thing happening to the world number one though, which is another of Andy's stated aims.
And you don't see Andy donning an afro wig and dancing like a loon, they're individuals who react differently to situations and maybe Andy is finding it difficult to regain focus after the intense pressure of Wimbledon. As for being number one it seems Andy's aims have changed given what he said in an interview before Montreal and now his focus is on grand slams. Maybe he's accepting that with his ongoing back problem, doing well on clay is going to be difficult and that is necessary to become number 1.
And you don't see Andy donning an afro wig and dancing like a loonI fail to see what that's got to do with anything. I'm talking about tennis rankings, but feel free to use conjecture about personalities if it makes you feel better about Andy's losses.
LC the fan
09-08-2013, 16:12
Andy will be annoyed with himself but what happened to his serve ?? He always seems to take time to get back after a break but last night was ugly though Gulbis did play well when he needed to.
Glad they won the doubles and hope that form continues.
Looks like a Rafa/Nole final now and I am sad that Andy now seems to be concentrating on the slams because we want to see him playing more consistently on the other tournies otherwise world number 1 is a no no
Cant be a Rafa/Nole final - they're in the same half of the draw. Could be the semi-final - the bottom half of the draw is wide open for one of the outsiders to gain some points
I fail to see what that's got to do with anything. I'm talking about tennis rankings, but feel free to use conjecture about personalities if it makes you feel better about Andy's losses.
Conjecture and reasoning is better than the disparaging "you don't see this sort of thing happening to the world number one".
It's not disparaging, it's factual. Sorry to disappoint.
It's not disparaging, it's factual. Sorry to disappoint.
It is disparaging and irrelevant. Andy deserves more respect but if it makes you happy then carry on.
Looks like a Rafa/Nole final now and I am sad that Andy now seems to be concentrating on the slams because we want to see him playing more consistently on the other tournies otherwise world number 1 is a no no
It can't be a Rafa/Nole final as they are in the same half.
Andy said a while ago - I think it was in the early part of this year - that he'd been making a mistake in concentrating so much on the slams, and intended to improve his results in the masters. Which of course what he'd need to do if he wants to reach no.1. But in his pre-tournament interview he said that he was concentrating on winning more slams and doesn't mind if he never gets to no.1. Perhaps the problem is that he doesn't know what he wants?
MurrayAOne
09-08-2013, 17:37
He's too clued up for that. Questions get flung at him all the time. Do your best in all matches and try for the win. Good plan.
traveller7
09-08-2013, 17:44
As long as he is healthy and happy and trying his best I don't take any notice of the papers 'quotes'
Yes, You're right, health and happiness are the most important things!
It is disparaging and irrelevant. Andy deserves more respect but if it makes you happy then carry on.My opinion is disparaging, irrelevant and disrespectful? Care to explain? There don't always need to be reasons for a defeat, but for some reason people always seem to feel the need to look for one.
I'd have to add that not only do you not see this happening to the world #1 but nor does it happen to Rafa either not even after a not inconsiderable time away from the game. However, everyone is different. Andy has long been this way and has got to #2 despite it. OK he may never get to #1 but if deep down he does want to get there, then I'm sure he's working on it.
traveller7
09-08-2013, 21:26
Rafa and Roger both got knocked out of Wimbledon in the first few rounds against nobodies lest we forget?!
david1610
11-08-2013, 11:05
And you don't see Andy donning an afro wig and dancing like a loon, they're individuals who react differently to situations and maybe Andy is finding it difficult to regain focus after the intense pressure of Wimbledon. As for being number one it seems Andy's aims have changed given what he said in an interview before Montreal and now his focus is on grand slams. Maybe he's accepting that with his ongoing back problem, doing well on clay is going to be difficult and that is necessary to become number 1.
From what I have gathered, Andy's back problem may well mean that his presence and points earned during the clay part of the season is extremely unlikely to improve. Not because of his tennis ability, his attitude, but his... back. He will have to manage his seasons and his back for the rest of his career.
Given that and the points available during the clay season, and the fact that Nole does not hot have such a problem and takes what Rafa leaves on clay, that gives Andy a handicap when it comes to getting to number 1.
There is a saying here in Portugal (unless I just heard it here for the first time and it is in fact universal) which is "the excellent is the enemy of the good". You try to be excellent but you cannot always be, so you end up getting disheartened and end up being satisfactory and not even good. Andy knows the level of tennis and concentration, of excellence it takes to win a GS and perhaps he has not yet learnt to be good during Masters tournaments (and excellent where needed in the semis or finals). Just a thought!
But if his approach means more chance of slams, I would rather that than a spell at number 1. The only frustration is we do not get to see him play as much as we sometimes would like!
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