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Not sure if this is a good place for this vote I'm voting for Andy for the fans favourite. Don't forget to place your vote http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/atp-awards-2016-fans-favourite
It seems that I've just managed to record a second vote - albeit from a different device - does that mean we can vote as often as we want to?
themass15
30-09-2016, 16:26
I guess if you have different email addresses you can.
yeah! I voted last time with my family's addresses
Rosalind
30-09-2016, 17:17
have voted twice from same pc but used different emails. I guess you can use the email of everyone and anyone you know (especially if they are Fed fans :laugh: )
WimbledonWestie
30-09-2016, 19:07
Me too!
It brings me great joy that Mr M has two singles Gold Medals, and Federer and Djokovic don't, and are both unlikely to ever have them. Federer will be too old for the next Olympics, as probably will Murray and Djokovic. He has something of his very own.
What Andy doesn't share with Nadal, Djokovic and Federer, is losing in an Olympic bronze medal play-off match. My favourite Big 4 stat. :big grin:
It brings me great joy that Mr M has two singles Gold Medals, and Federer and Djokovic don't, and are both unlikely to ever have them. Federer will be too old for the next Olympics, as probably will Murray and Djokovic. He has something of his very own.
Sorry, but I really don't get this! It brings me great pleasure that Andy has won 2 olympic golds ..... but not that the others haven't :confused: :shocked: Why can't we just celebrate what Andy has achieved?? I'm pretty certain that's what he will be doing.
Sorry, but I really don't get this! It brings me great pleasure that Andy has won 2 olympic golds ..... but not that the others haven't :confused: :shocked: Why can't we just celebrate what Andy has achieved?? I'm pretty certain that's what he will be doing.
Because for so long he has always been deemed to be second rate somehow. A comment about this year's SPOTY in The Times, by a sports commentator said because he didn't beat Federer or Nadal to win Wimbledon this year, his achievement was of lesser value. When they are all long retired and Mr M will have far fewer Grandslams than Federer, Djokovic and Nadal, he will have achieved something they didn't, nor for that matter did Fred P. It's something where he stands alone. I think that's nice for him.
Sorry, but I really don't get this! It brings me great pleasure that Andy has won 2 olympic golds ..... but not that the others haven't :confused: :shocked: Why can't we just celebrate what Andy has achieved?? I'm pretty certain that's what he will be doing.
Why must we all be we, people support/follow sport in different ways I wouldn't dare sudgest anyone is wrong in how they choose to support Andy even when like you they get it so blatantly wrong ;)
RosieBear
02-12-2016, 00:25
Because for so long he has always been deemed to be second rate somehow. A comment about this year's SPOTY in The Times, by a sports commentator said because he didn't beat Federer or Nadal to win Wimbledon this year, his achievement was of lesser value. When they are all long retired and Mr M will have far fewer Grandslams than Federer, Djokovic and Nadal, he will have achieved something they didn't, nor for that matter did Fred P. It's something where he stands alone. I think that's nice for him.
Wow Teresa, this is the one time you and I agree (had to happen eventually :))... normally I can't stand the approach to supporting Andy that involves treating his opponents as enemies rather than rivals, generally slagging them off etc, but on this occasion I agree - the medals are not the same as slams, part of what makes Andy's golds sooo special is how coveted they are and how rare they are to possess. So agreed, it's Andy's got 2 and Fed & Nole have 0 na-na-ne-na-na :p
WimbledonWestie
02-12-2016, 07:43
Indeed- you get 4 chances every year to win a slam, 1 chance every 4 years for Olympic gold. To be able to grab that chance twice is truly special!
My dichotomy at the moment is that the London 2012 victory was always my favourite one ever, but I think it's being usurped by the WTF finals victory. The joy on his face as he crouched in front of those hulking great trophies gives me a warm glow.
I agree too Teresa and RB. Andy has spent so much time being unfavourably compared to the other 3 that it's wonderful for him to have something of his own and especially as he had to get through both Federer and Djokovic for that first (lovely word) gold medal.
I was out for a meal during the Djokovic semi. Right in the eyeline of the pub TV. I had to get us to move tables, otherwise my involvement in the meal would have been non existent. I still remember joy and relief when I got back to discover he was guaranteed at least a Silver Medal.
Then in the Gold Medal match - that final emphatic ace to claim the Gold, with Federer having to duck to avoid it. Wonderful stuff.
Andy back working with Dani in Miami. (https://twitter.com/FedericoPalerm2/status/809813052304588801) I wonder if Dani is thinking, why didn't I keep my mouth shut! :doh:
I thought Kyle was training in Miami with Mr M?
Andy back working with Dani in Miami. (https://twitter.com/FedericoPalerm2/status/809813052304588801) I wonder if Dani is thinking, why didn't I keep my mouth shut! :doh:
Really - that is a surprise. Do we know if Jamie D is there? I really hope so.
Really - that is a surprise. Do we know if Jamie D is there? I really hope so.
Andy's practising with Dimitrov who is now coached by Dani. There's a quick glimpse in the video of both Dani & Jamie D. on the opposite side of the net from Andy & Grigor.
I thought Kyle was training in Miami with Mr M?
He is, they've been training together for the last week.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQcrAoWQAAkNxC.jpg
I heard, last night, on radio five live about Andy pulling out of the US Open. They announced it just before the women's rugby final started. Russell Fuller said Andy had practised with Pouille before deciding to pull out. Russell Fuller believed Andy might need surgery, as he remembered Andy having the back problem for years before having the operation and hasn't had any problems since.
Josephine
27-08-2017, 10:44
No suggestion an operation will help him. If it is arthritis that won't be the simple answer.
JAMES4578
27-08-2017, 11:15
Andy indicated he wasn't sure if he'd require surgery and that he been given different opinions by hip specialists-see Newspaper thread for more info.
How much has Andy's necessary management of his bipartite patella (right leg) since very young attributed to this problem? Are we talking right hip? When you think of all he has achieved with such knee/hip problems, it makes his success all the more remarkable and I'm totally in awe of him. We all feel his anguish as surgery would effectively mean the end of his playing career. I always had hopes that his doubles partnership with Jamie would progress but perhaps even that is now in doubt.
Why would surgery mean the end of his career? I've got 2 new hips. Best thing ever. I was talking to Bouncy about it (sorry SG) at DC a while back and he said he'd had one done and was back playing Wimbledon after 3 months. Equivalent for me? Shopping till i dropped 3 weeks after the first op :lol:
themass15
29-08-2017, 06:29
That is positive Pat. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
Leon Smith and Russell Fuller were on radio five live, last night, talking about Andy's hip problem and the other injuries to everyone else. Leon Smith believed that players shouldn't have to wait until they're 30 years old before choosing what tournaments they play in without any compromises from the ATP.
Well said Leon. Players should be allowed more flexibility in the tournaments they play. The ATP really needs to urgently look at the question of the increased number of players having to withdraw from tournaments this year because of injury.
The rankings system should also be looked at. Golf world rankings are based on a player's performance record over a rolling period of two years. This is much fairer as it allows time for injured players time to recover without necessarily jeopardizing their world ranking. I hope I'm right in saying that golfers have flexibility in the tournaments they play in. I've noticed that Phil Mickelson for example does not play in every event on the golf calendar but is able to choose the events he plays in.
Very depressing discussion on 5LiveXtra between Simon Briggs & Russell Fuller about Andy. Fuller was wondering if they will get a medical update in the next few days. Briggs said "It's not sounding brilliant from the bits and pieces I'm picking up....He may go to surgery but even with that the prognosis is not good". He used Rusedski as an example who was told there was no guarantees with hip surgery and it might make it worse and within 6 months called it a day. Fuller suggested that maybe by taking a 4-5 month break Andy could manage to play close to his best for a couple of years and that would be the best case scenario. Briggs said "that would be a very good case scenario but I'm not very optimistic. Andy's talking to a lot of specialists but why's he talking to a lot of specialists? Because they're telling him what he doesn't want to hear".
lovetennis
30-08-2017, 21:19
Very depressing discussion on 5LiveXtra between Simon Briggs & Russell Fuller about Andy. Fuller was wondering if they will get a medical update in the next few days. Briggs said "It's not sounding brilliant from the bits and pieces I'm picking up....He may go to surgery but even with that the prognosis is not good". He used Rusedski as an example who was told there was no guarantees with hip surgery and it might make it worse and within 6 months called it a day. Fuller suggested that maybe by taking a 4-5 month break Andy could manage to play close to his best for a couple of years and that would be the best case scenario. Briggs said "that would be a very good case scenario but I'm not very optimistic. Andy's talking to a lot of specialists but why's he talking to a lot of specialists? Because they're telling him what he doesn't want to hear".
Yup, that is concerning. I do think Andy feared this injury was serious when he withdrew from USO. There was more to not being able to play the USO in his obvious upset in the presser.
I do feel there's an element of journalists wanting to preempt the story and Briggs does it more than most and they can do it because there's very little comeback when they are wrong. I think I'll go back and read Leon Smith's comments for reassurance. ;)
WimbledonWestie
30-08-2017, 21:36
Doom and gloom speculation by journalists sells more papers than 'he's fine and we'll see him soon'. Just hope they're wrong.
RosieBear
30-08-2017, 21:56
Doom and gloom speculation by journalists sells more papers than 'he's fine and we'll see him soon'. Just hope they're wrong.
Exactly, Westie - they're so predictable. Plus Leon actually knows exactly what is going on with Andy (unlike those sad hacks Briggs and Fuller) - Leon wouldn't set Andy up for a fall and wouldn't have made such positive comments unless they were grounded in reality.
Also, even though he wasn't successful, the fact that Andy even tried to rehab in time for the USO tells me plenty; Andy wouldn't have done this if his condition was as serious as Briggs and Fuller (and Dickson) are speculating, Andy's determined not reckless.
Josephine
30-08-2017, 22:07
Well I hope you are right Rosie but Leon was talking about Andy's play and not sure he had any major insight into state of his hip. I think this has to be a major concern, but desperately hoping he will back and able to play to a good ability.
RosieBear
30-08-2017, 22:21
In his presser Andy said he was pulling out because his "hip was too sore to win the tournament". Leon says "He may have been able to get through some rounds but his aspirations are bigger than that." Sounds consistent and positive to me. And I really do think Leon will have insight - he's a very close friend of the whole Murray family. Pulling out of any GS is a huge deal for any player, especially one capable of winning it if fit, and I think the emotion Andy displayed was proportionate with that, and not necc anything more sinister. Opting to miss the French in 2013 was completely different and since then which slam has he missed? None, not even Aus 2014 after surgery, so of course he's devastated about NY.
Briggs has been replaced in the commentary box by Bazza Flatman :ill: who I always felt resented Andy and indeed all the Murrays (he believes Judy is the worst kind of pushy parent). When asked how Andy's absence and the possibility of all Brits being out by the end of today affected his reporting, the pompous **** replied "Unlike other colleagues, my paper take the view we're covering a sport and not Andy Murray". :rolleyes:
Josephine
31-08-2017, 00:02
No way will the papers pay to send journalists to so many tournaments once Andy has gone unless another Brit makes it really big. And no way do these journalists wanting to be following the ladies tour (outside shared Masters and Slams) if Jo is the only one getting anywhere!
HoopGirl
31-08-2017, 07:40
It is all very concerning.
I do think that the journalists hype up stories because they can write and speculate more.
On the other hand they are the ones travelling with the players and they hear stories and issues way before it comes to our attention. And on many occasions they have been right. Whilst Leon may be close to Andy that doesn't mean they are talking currently about this, or that he's in the select group of confidantes that I suspect Andy has around him.
There are many different approaches and differences in diagnosis within the many different branches of medicine. A surgeon will often advocate surgery - that's what they know - that's what they do - a physio for example has a different philosophy for their work and tends to try other things. And so on. Andy knows that and the fact that he is being told different things would suggest there isn't a clear diagnosis or treatment plan.
Why shouldn't Andy consult as many as possible to make the decision he feels is best for him? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Andy hasn't been afraid to step outside the norm for decisions about managing his health - gyrotonics being one example!
Hopefully he can get someone who will be able to help him in a way that's acceptable to him and means he's back playing pain free again really soon.
RosieBear
31-08-2017, 10:02
It is all very concerning.
I do think that the journalists hype up stories because they can write and speculate more.
On the other hand they are the ones travelling with the players and they hear stories and issues way before it comes to our attention. And on many occasions they have been right. Whilst Leon may be close to Andy that doesn't mean they are talking currently about this, or that he's in the select group of confidantes that I suspect Andy has around him.
There are many different approaches and differences in diagnosis within the many different branches of medicine. A surgeon will often advocate surgery - that's what they know - that's what they do - a physio for example has a different philosophy for their work and tends to try other things. And so on. Andy knows that and the fact that he is being told different things would suggest there isn't a clear diagnosis or treatment plan.
Why shouldn't Andy consult as many as possible to make the decision he feels is best for him? Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Andy hasn't been afraid to step outside the norm for decisions about managing his health - gyrotonics being one example!
Hopefully he can get someone who will be able to help him in a way that's acceptable to him and means he's back playing pain free again really soon.
But the thing is HG, since Andy pulled out it's been pure 100% conjecture from the journalists. When you listen to/ read them, they don't even cite hearsay never mind anything concrete. They have nothing. As for Leon, he would have known that he would have been asked about the hip issue and I maintain that if he didn't know enough about what was going he would have responded differently and given more measured comments. I also feel that not only as a close friend, but as DC captain Leon would certainly know about Andy's prospects for next year (esp with Dan's absence).
supergran
31-08-2017, 10:35
A bit late to the discussion about Gold medals but I'm in the camp that is feeling happy, satisfied and thrilled that he has two and the others don't. Olympic medals are special and makes Andy even more special. I agree that to many he is regarded as inferior to Nadal, Djokovic and Federer so to win two Olympic Gold medals elevates him to a higher plain which makes me very happy.
I completely agree that the journos have nothing better to do than speculate on Andy's hip and they'll take every snippet they can get no matter how much truth is in it! I'm not really a speculator, I'd rather just wait and see but I don't think we have a jot of concrete evidence that things are as doom and gloom as some are saying.
themass15
31-08-2017, 11:59
It would be good to get some news from the horse's mouth now he is back in the UK>
angiebabez
31-08-2017, 12:45
It would be good to get some news from the horse's mouth now he is back in the UK>
Give him a chance lol. He only got back the other day, probs wants to see kim etc then arrange a meeting with his team.
RosieBear
31-08-2017, 13:32
Give him a chance lol. He only got back the other day, probs wants to see kim etc then arrange a meeting with his team.
Exactly, and tbh even when he does know what's what, why on earth would he tell the media and all his rivals what his situation is :confused: - all players rightly play their cards very close to their chests when it comes to injury. Definitely the right way to be, only downside is it leaves room for all the stupid media speculation, but c'est la vie.
No way will the papers pay to send journalists to so many tournaments once Andy has gone unless another Brit makes it really big. And no way do these journalists wanting to be following the ladies tour (outside shared Masters and Slams) if Jo is the only one getting anywhere!
Apparently there were 12 British journalists at Cameron Norrie's press conference after his first round victory. I'm sure 12 wouldn't have been there if Andy hadn't gone to New York? He left them high & almost dry.
I completely agree that the journos have nothing better to do than speculate on Andy's hip and they'll take every snippet they can get no matter how much truth is in it! I'm not really a speculator, I'd rather just wait and see but I don't think we have a jot of concrete evidence that things are as doom and gloom as some are saying.
Yes Caro...wait and see is all we can do. I resolutely refuse to take any heed of media reports because I detest speculation of this sort. I don't even read them or read anything into them. I will only sit up and take note when the info comes directly from Andy himself. And whatever that info is I will deal with it then, and only then. In the meantime, patience is required (hard I know!), and I wish Andy all the best in his rehab.
WimbledonWestie
31-08-2017, 21:17
The same doom and gloom know it all journalists were talking up Andys chances to win when the draw came out . They'll write the slant their editors ask for.
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exislander
06-09-2017, 10:06
Just announced he won't be back till 2018 - hope he will be fine then!
Just seen his instagram post - wise decision I think! Hope he has a full recovery.
roytennisfan
06-09-2017, 10:27
Must admit that I had been expecting this although the timing has come as a bit of a surprise. Hopefully Andy will be back fit in time for Melbourne but better for him to give that a miss if not fully recovered
themass15
06-09-2017, 10:42
Very sad for Andy and for all of us but I am sure it will be the best thing for his body. And he will get to be at home when his 2nd child is born.
Josephine
06-09-2017, 10:47
Sad news. Certainly hope Andy can return fitter in 2018. So miss watching Andy matches. After last year's feast, this year a famine.
I hope he can get back to his best, though I wonder if the struggle with his hip and all the new up and coming youngsters who will have gained a lot of confidence over recent months, will make it difficult to get back to the very top.
JAMES4578
06-09-2017, 11:19
of course sad we won't see Andy till next season but in a sense a bit relieved, wouldn't have been taken lightly and sure the best decision for Andy's long term future. Whilst no guarantee he'll get back to his very best if fitter Andy can certainly have more glory,though of course possibly more challengers.
Andy most likely out for the rest of the season
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/41171849) - Andy Murray: World number two 'most likely' to miss rest of season with hip injury
Andy Murray says he will "most likely" miss the rest of the season because of his ongoing hip injury.
The British world number two, 30, pulled out of the US Open two days before the tournament began and has not played since Wimbledon in July.
He has withdrawn from October's ATP Tour events in Beijing and Shanghai and will likely miss the events in Vienna and Paris later that month.
"This is the best decision for my long-term future," said the Scot.
In a statement posted on social media, Murray did not mention the ATP World Tour Finals which will be held in London in November.
He also said he will begin his 2018 season at the Brisbane International, starting on 1 January, in preparation for the Australian Open, which begins on 15 January, following a "frustrating year on court for many reasons".
"I'm confident after this extended period of rest and rehabilitation I will be able to reach my best level again and be competing for Grand Slam titles next season," he said.
"I have a fantastic team working alongside me to help me through this process and appreciate the support from them and all of my fans over this difficult period."
HoopGirl
06-09-2017, 11:59
I guess like the rest of you this is not such a big surprise to me yet I am sad.
Can't wait to see him back in action. Fully fit.
With that sort of a gap from playing what will happen to his ranking?
Andy's facebook statement.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJCG_oCXUAIoZ_Z.jpg
Should Andy not play again this year then an estimate of the missing 4's ranking at the beginning of 2018.
11. Wawrinka
13. Djokovic
19. Andy
23. Nishikori
A possible Andy v Djokovic R3 match in Australia!
The seedings and the draw for the Oz open 2018 will be very interesting. Should be some good matches in the earlier rounds.
lovetennis
06-09-2017, 12:30
Definitely the right decision for Andy. We're all missing him but understand this lay-off is for the best. I will be resorting to some classic recorded matches to get my Andy-fix while he rests up and can at least be at home for baby no.2 arriving
RosieBear
06-09-2017, 12:41
I find that a very uplifting statement from Andy. Yes, it's a shame to confirm our suspicions that he'll be out for the rest of the year, but faaar more important is his posivity and belief about his long term future. I knew Leon was talking sense when he said Andy would get back to his best, and Andy has reiterated that. After a long rest and lots of family time including with baby 2 Andy's going to inspired and raring to go in 2018 - he'll make mincemeat of the all! Can't wait! :thumbup:
angiebabez
06-09-2017, 13:10
I had mentally prepared myself for this & tbh i would have been really surprised if he had played again this year & also worried sick about him. Will miss him dreadfully tho & only consellation is will see him in glasgow. Will look forward to that immensly.
Surprised Andy didn't ask Simon Briggs to write the statement. :p Speaking of which, the timing of the statement was wicked so all the journos in New York would have been woken from their pits to write an article. :big grin:
:p Speaking of which, the timing of the statement was wicked so all the journos in New York would have been woken from their pits to write an article. :big grin:
:lol: I wonder if Andy had thought of that
Though it lessens the season for me, it was coming and he does need the rest. I'm sure he'll be back on top form next year and all the better for the rest :)
Josephine
06-09-2017, 14:32
I find that a very uplifting statement from Andy. Yes, it's a shame to confirm our suspicions that he'll be out for the rest of the year, but faaar more important is his posivity and belief about his long term future. I knew Leon was talking sense when he said Andy would get back to his best, and Andy has reiterated that. After a long rest and lots of family time including with baby 2 Andy's going to inspired and raring to go in 2018 - he'll make mincemeat of the all! Can't wait! :thumbup:
Thank you optimist! :big grin:
You see I think of Andy saying he had always had an odd walk when people were saying he was limping while walking at Wimbledon.
So that was either self-deception or a smoke-screen for journalists /opponents. So what is really happening or will happen we don't know.
Very fed up though not surprised we won't see him play again this year and hope the hip will recover enough for 2018 to be a successful year.
It sounds as though he is not considering surgery in the near future, so that's good news at least.
themass15
06-09-2017, 16:08
That's what I thought. If he has surgery now he could be out for several months.
When the news flashed up on my phone, although I'm missing him loads, I was not surprised, in actual fact I was almost relieved. Now that we know directly from him exactly what the situation is I am hopeful it will stop the speculation and we can be more relaxed knowing that what he is doing is definitely for the best in the long run. So I will bide my time whilst I await his return and enjoy what tennis is on offer in the meantime. But won't it be so good to have him back! 2018 not as far away as it seems! Until then Andy.....
themass15
06-09-2017, 19:27
Tennis just isn't the same without Andy
Simon Briggs in a Telegraph podcast (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/5x5-bulletin-wednesday-6-september-listen-todays-essential-news/) "Possiblity of surgery seems to be ruled out at the moment". He sounds disappointed. :p
HoopGirl
06-09-2017, 19:45
Simon Briggs in a Telegraph podcast (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/5x5-bulletin-wednesday-6-september-listen-todays-essential-news/) "Possiblity of surgery seems to be ruled out at the moment". He sounds disappointed. :p
Less for him to write about! That's why he's disappointed.
RosieBear
06-09-2017, 23:09
Simon Briggs in a Telegraph podcast (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/06/5x5-bulletin-wednesday-6-september-listen-todays-essential-news/) "Possiblity of surgery seems to be ruled out at the moment". He sounds disappointed. :p
Less for him to write about! That's why he's disappointed.
Not so, HG; Briggs never lets a small matter like *facts* stop him churning out the garbage.:rolleyes:
RosieBear
07-09-2017, 12:42
Someone pass Simon Briggs a bucket; the good news re Andy's return keeps on coming. From The Times today:
'Optimism about Murray’s long-term future could also be gleaned from the deal that he has signed with Tennis Australia to start his next three seasons down under.'
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andy-murray-most-likely-to-miss-rest-of-season-fr5wmbw83.
themass15
07-09-2017, 13:12
Good news indeed.
Not surprising Andy didn't mention WTF as he's unlikely to qualify!
Still hope that if he does need an op he doesn't put it off like his back. He's a healthy athlete and would doubtless be fit for next season if done now. But of course only he can decide.
Move over Briggs as Mike "Dicko" Dickson assumes the position of grim reaper with an article in the Daily Fail entitled With Andy Murray out of tennis until 2018 and battling a problematic hip injury, is this the beginning of the end for the former world No 1? :rolleyes: Full of the same tired speculation and contradiction. :sleepy: Not worthy of a link.
angiebabez
07-09-2017, 16:14
Move over Briggs as Mike "Dicko" Dickson assumes the position of grim reaper with an article in the Daily Fail entitled With Andy Murray out of tennis until 2018 and battling a problematic hip injury, is this the beginning of the end for the former world No 1? :rolleyes: Full of the same tired speculation and contradiction. :sleepy: Not worthy of a link.
Hes a pain in the rear end that one!!! Ive tweeted him exactly what i think of his ****** article
The top 25 most successful players at Hawkeye challenges. Andy doesn't make the list. :clap: :shades: :big grin:
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I'm really surprised that Fed has made 622 Hawkeye challenges - more than anyone else - as he's always said he doesn't like Hawkeye!
RosieBear
08-09-2017, 17:05
The old boy's been on tour about 20 years longer than some. I'm just suprised Dr Ivo isn't on the list.
lovetennis
08-09-2017, 18:14
Move over Briggs as Mike "Dicko" Dickson assumes the position of grim reaper with an article in the Daily Fail entitled With Andy Murray out of tennis until 2018 and battling a problematic hip injury, is this the beginning of the end for the former world No 1? :rolleyes: Full of the same tired speculation and contradiction. :sleepy: Not worthy of a link.
I used to think some of his tennis writing was ok - at least a better level than the general level of the paper he writes for, but no longer. It's all just clickbait on the DM website now
Not bad for a one-legged shingle ridden tennis elbow sufferer. ;)
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Kevin Anderson's story is worth thinking about ... Struggling with a hip injury last year, he thought about surgery but in the end stuck with physio rehab and has just posted his best ever showing at a GS. So if he can do it, Andy can too!
Rosalind
13-09-2017, 06:09
Kevin Anderson's story is worth thinking about ... Struggling with a hip injury last year, he thought about surgery but in the end stuck with physio rehab and has just posted his best ever showing at a GS. So if he can do it, Andy can too!
This has cheered me up. I have been thinking that this is the warm up to show us what life will be life when Andy retires
And I've been feeling sad. :(
themass15
14-09-2017, 12:45
Not sure if this is the right place to post but this is on the BBC website today
Judy Murray says there is no timetable for son Andy's return to competitive action following his hip injury.
But she says he will definitely be fit enough for his exhibition match against Roger Federer in Glasgow in November.
"He's going to be fine by then," she told BBC Scotland.
"He hasn't put a timescale on it and I think that's the sensible thing to do because you never know how your body is going to respond, so it's always safer not to put a timescale on it."
Murray, who has not played since Wimbledon, pulled out of the US Open two days before the August tournament.
Following his inaction, the 30-year-old has dropped to number three in the world behind new number one Rafael Nadal and number two Federer.
"He's carrying on his rehabilitation at the moment doing everything he can to get back into shape," added his mother.
While Murray is likely to play Federer in Glasgow, Judy hinted that being competitive in the Australian Open at the start of next year will be a big ask.
"It's quite a different thing playing exhibition matches to playing on the tour where you have to win five matches to win a tournament," she added.
Rosalind
14-09-2017, 15:26
that's really useful. thanks themass15. I've been holding off booking my flights. :thumbup:
Andy just needs to get up in the morning to be assured of being on a Scottish Sportsman of the Year shortlist, Jamie on the other hand.....:shrug:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJr-e6RX0AAV3Gz.jpg
That's just daft - why on earth isn't Jamie there? If Jamie was there I'd vote for him but, as he isn't, I'm voting for Duncan Scott.
Yes why isn't Jamie there. He's achieved far more than Andy this year. :shocked:
Andy didn't win! :shocked: ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKReb0WX0AMOHmy.jpg
Good for Duncan - well deserved!
themass15
08-10-2017, 15:49
Not sure where to post this but just seen on Facebook by someone who lives close to Andy that he has been spotted practising. Does this mean he is planning to play in Vienna or Paris I wonder.
Probably just a bit of light practice so he doesn't get completely out of form. Will need to do a bit before the exho anyway.
lovetennis
18-10-2017, 17:39
Missing watching Andy so much I re-watched The Man Behind the Racquet documentary last night. What a lovely man he is,so down to earth and honest. Love him to bits and hope he is feeling well on the road to recovery
Yes, me too. I feel so restless and fidgety and just marking time till Andy comes back. Plus side is I have caught up with loads of jobs which were neglected when Andy was playing so much!
Sallydaisy
18-10-2017, 19:48
Interesting snippet at the end of the piece on Raonic:
Raonic will use the offseason to recover and will return to action in Brisbane, once again. Defending champion Grigor Dimitrov, Rafa Nadal and Andy Murray will also be among the players in the Sunshine State. Action from the Queensland Tennis Centre begins December 31, 2017.
goldfish
02-01-2018, 07:40
No - Andy's pulled out!
Guerkins2
02-01-2018, 07:40
BBC breakfast has just said Andy has pulled out ��
themass15
02-01-2018, 07:42
I just saw Mike Dickson has tweeted that
Just after I woke up, I heard the sports presenter on radio five live say Andy had pulled out but Kyle had won. I think Andy really should something about his hip problem.
Silverdee
02-01-2018, 08:23
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-5227853/Andy-Murray-pulls-Brisbane-International.html
Finding some positives in this article.
Rosalind
02-01-2018, 08:30
Just saw it on Sky. Quote 'he will stay in Brisbane for extra treatment ' :( :( :(
Just after I woke up, I heard the sports presenter on radio five live say Andy had pulled out but Kyle had won. I think Andy really should something about his hip problem.
What do you suggest? I think he is doing all he can. If he has surgery he will be out for another year or so, if he doesn’t have surgery, it’s very much is in the lap of the gods.
It was a miracle he came back after the back surgery, however the problems with his back undoubtedly put extra stress on his hips, as his bipartite patella has done throughout his playing career. Having had hip problems since I arrived in this world, I can see that surgery might enable him to run, jump, walk his dogs, and and muck around with his kids. I just don’t think it will enable him to play sport at the highest level again. I will be delighted to be proven wrong, but I don’t think I am going to be.
It’s desperately sad. However let’s remember his comments after the U.S? Open in 2012, when he said that if he had been struck down by injury or illness the day after he had wrestled that trophy from Djokovic, and never been able to play again, he would have gone into retirement happy and fulfilled.
Stell has lots of visions, mine is seeing AM in the players box of Jay Clarke, or other up and coming Brits, guiding them to the top of the sport.
That will do me, (plus lots of exhibition matches.....!!!!)
jackie55
02-01-2018, 08:54
Oh no, poor Andy,:crying::crying: he just wants to play tennis
It's really disappointing for us but so much more disappointing for Andy and it must surely put his participation in the Oz Open in doubt. I'm sure we all just want the best for him and that must surely be a pain free existence whether or not it involves him playing singles at the top level again.
HoopGirl
02-01-2018, 09:12
Really worrying news.
His start to the Aus Open must be in doubt.
I wonder what treatment he's having.
Very sad, but I guess not a complete surprise :sad:
dewster99
02-01-2018, 10:03
Someone at tennis told me before Christmas that experts reckoned this would be his last season. May be that is accurate
Rosalind
05-07-2018, 09:16
Builder yesterday at my house sees one of my selfies enlarged and on living room wall and says "my mate's missus has got a selfie with Andy Murray. Saw him coming out of a lift in Spain". Made me smile - Poor Andy - can't even get in or out of a lift without hassle! :knight:
RosieBear
29-09-2018, 17:01
All players pick up niggles, regardless of other injury issues. I'm not worried for Andy. Kevin Anderson has played the tennis of his life after a season out due to the same hip injury as Andy - he didn't even have successful surgery, he re-habbed it. It just takes time. I'm looking forward to a well rested Andy returning in Jan, his sights firmly set on that elusive Oz trophy :thumbup:
angiebabez
29-09-2018, 20:23
I have to say I'm getting more & more worried about where this is all heading to. Andy could still have played a few more tournies and still had 2 months for training and rehab. So now after 4 months out and zero match practice except most probably a few matches in Brisbane he will head straight into a slam. Sorry but AO win 2019 looks nigh on impossible. :(
angiebabez
29-09-2018, 20:26
All players pick up niggles, regardless of other injury issues. I'm not worried for Andy. Kevin Anderson has played the tennis of his life after a season out due to the same hip injury as Andy - he didn't even have successful surgery, he re-habbed it. It just takes time. I'm looking forward to a well rested Andy returning in Jan, his sights firmly set on that elusive Oz trophy :thumbup:
Was it the same hip injury? Didn't realise the nature of both had been made public.
RosieBear
29-09-2018, 21:34
During an interview at uso last year Anderson spoke openly about his own labral tear and offered help/advice to Andy because he faced same rehab/surgery decision. He said with hindsight he wished he'd gone for surgery rather than the re-hab route.
WimbledonWestie
29-09-2018, 23:29
I have to say I'm getting more & more worried about where this is all heading to. Andy could still have played a few more tournies and still had 2 months for training and rehab. So now after 4 months out and zero match practice except most probably a few matches in Brisbane he will head straight into a slam. Sorry but AO win 2019 looks nigh on impossible. :(
Think this might always have been somewhat in the pipeline-play some events thru 2018 to keep his hand in and see where he was at/what needed working on,with 2019 being the bigger picture. His pre season has always been pretty full on, this way he can be more balanced to ensure he is ready and fresh for next year. I'm gong to hope for the best and trust Andy knows what's best, Life is stressy enough, so won't stress over Andy unless he gives me cause to- looking forward to the Australian summer and on into 2019 with everything crossed. Onwards and upwards.
I veer from being optimistic which is my default setting to worrying and wondering why he wouldn't want to get more match practice this year ... :confused::confused:
I veer from being optimistic which is my default setting to worrying ... :confused::confused:
I bet that's just how it is for Andy. Up and down with a lot of unknowns.
One thing we don't have to worry about is knowing he will give it his best, Whatever.
I sang this to my two youngest grandsons the other day,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIv7NAfgQs4
I kinda get the feeling Andy's Parents did something very similar!
Just give it your best Andy, we're right behind you as usual.
WimbledonWestie
01-10-2018, 20:29
I veer from being optimistic which is my default setting to worrying and wondering why he wouldn't want to get more match practice this year ... :confused::confused:
I channel my inner optimistic with a vice like grip- because the alternative doesnt bear contemplating ( and my poor pupils might bear the brunt of that contemplation )
RosieBear
01-10-2018, 20:46
Before competing in Shenzhen, Andy said: ‘We are going to focus on some intense reconditioning [and] training blocks in the next couple of months with a view to being in the best possible shape for Australia in January. The last few months have been positive and, with the extra work over the coming months, I’ll be closer to playing at my highest level again.’
Doesn't sound too worrying to me, quite the opposite. He was always planning very intense recon and training this autumn - maybe he just decided he wants to prioritise/extend that over getting through a few rounds of another tournament. Obviously all of us are just guessing, but personally don't fill in the blanks with worrisome speculation.
And as an aside, I was chatting with a hip surgeon friend after Andy left the uso - his view is that he'll only start getting concerned if Andy hasn't gone deeper in slams again by the same time next year. Of course he doesn't have inside info or a crystal ball, but he knows more about the issues than most, def more than me, so I'm quite happy to defer panic until uso 2019 :thumbup:
Edit - For Andy quote: https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/29/where-next-for-andy-murray-after-calling-time-on-a-tough-2018-7989449/?ito=cbshare
HoopGirl
01-10-2018, 20:52
During an interview at uso last year Anderson spoke openly about his own labral tear and offered help/advice to Andy because he faced same rehab/surgery decision. He said with hindsight he wished he'd gone for surgery rather than the re-hab route.
Easy to say with hindsight - who wants surgery if it can be avoided!
RosieBear
01-10-2018, 21:06
Easy to say with hindsight - who wants surgery if it can be avoided!
Yep, good to avoid surgery on the one hand but he said the rehab was hellish - far harder and longer than he imagined. Thought it was nice of him to reach out to Andy :thumbup:
And also I think it is still Andy's aim to be able to continue playing until Sophia can understand what her dad does and, we all hope, see him win another slam. Also if there is an ankle niggle, why risk aggravating it at this stage. He has always said he is going to listen to his body and take good care not to overdo it or take unnecessary risks. I'm glad to see he is sticking to that.
And January not as far away as it sounds! (Scary!)
david1610
05-01-2019, 00:27
Probably time to bump this up then! ;)
Andy will play a practice match against Novak tomorrow as part of his preparations for the Australian Open. Australian Open organisers said the match on the Margaret Court Arena show court would be open to the public.
Wish we could see it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/46809771
Cant help but think the end is near , hope Im wrong tho !
Cant help but think the end is near , hope Im wrong tho !
I think you are right. I also think he is going to pull out of the AO.
He has just lost to Djokovic 6:1, 4:1 (Murray retired), so sad. I wish he would just stop. :-(
Guerkins2
10-01-2019, 07:41
I think you are right. I also think he is going to pull out of the AO.
He has just lost to Djokovic 6:1, 4:1 (Murray retired), so sad. I wish he would just stop. :-(
BBC have just said he didn’t retire, they stopped because the court was needed.
BBC have just said he didn’t retire, they stopped because the court was needed.
Sorry, you are right, but this is the key bit:-
“Britain's Andy Murray won just two games in a practice match against world number one Novak Djokovic as part of his Australian Open preparations.
The Scot, whose movement was laboured, held serve only once and was trailing 6-1 4-1 when they called it a day.”
Guerkins2
10-01-2019, 07:52
Sorry, you are right, but this is the key bit:-
“Britain's Andy Murray won just two games in a practice match against world number one Novak Djokovic as part of his Australian Open preparations.
The Scot, whose movement was laboured, held serve only once and was trailing 6-1 4-1 when they called it a day.”
I agree the views expressed are not very positive.......very sad and disappointing
I agree the views expressed are not very positive.......very sad and disappointing
I know I seem very negative, but I hate to see him struggling like this. With the back he struggled in his first few matches, but the improvement was only going one way. With his hip he doesn’t seem to be making any real progress. It’s been 18 months now.
I just think those hips have got an awful lot of life still to lead. I would rather he could chase after his kids and dogs, than destroy them even further trying to continue to play. :-(
HoopGirl
10-01-2019, 08:19
Yes this latest news is very worrying and does feel ominous. Not helped by a really tough first match - which he wouldnt have liked even at his best!
RosieBear
10-01-2019, 09:42
So in his first week back after the best part of 18 months away, Andy isn't ready to compete with the likes of world no 1, Novak. Well, I'm shocked! :rolling:
lovetennis
10-01-2019, 20:38
So in his first week back after the best part of 18 months away, Andy isn't ready to compete with the likes of world no 1, Novak. Well, I'm shocked! :rolling:
Absolutely. Who knows what's going to happen? Probably not even Andy, but if he is going to be able to continue, it's going to take time. Shame he drew RBA in the 1st round, the draw could certainly have been kinder but it's a first step for him so I've no expectations. Just hope he can start to feel physically more comfortable and start to build some match practice.
jackie55
12-01-2019, 18:51
I have been trying to find dvd of Andy's Olympic finals both London 2012 and Rio 2016, does anyone know where l can find them? Having no luck with Amazon or eBay. The only ones l can find are just highlights of all different events including some of Andy's matches
I have been trying to find dvd of Andy's Olympic finals both London 2012 and Rio 2016, does anyone know where l can find them? Having no luck with Amazon or eBay. The only ones l can find are just highlights of all different events including some of Andy's matches
I have bought matches from Tennis DVD, but the site seems to have been closed down.
Both matches are on You Tube in full. I have both these matches on DVD, but only roughish home copies. I no longer have a DVD copier. I will try, (with the emphasis on try) to see if I can copy them on to DVD via my laptop if you want.
JAMES4578
12-01-2019, 20:19
The excel list from a member on Men's Tennis Forums has the Olympic matches, can email requests (post was updated recently there so would seem to be still providing the service) https://www.tennisforum.com/12-general-messages/1293704-tennis-matches-dvd-blu-ray-download-mp4.html
jackie55
12-01-2019, 22:07
Both matches are on You Tube in full. I have both these matches on DVD, but only roughish home copies. I no longer have a DVD copier. I will try, (with the emphasis on try) to see if I can copy them on to DVD via my laptop if you want.
Thanks for your kind offer, but l have just emailed the person James mentioned and hopefully he can help, if no luck, may l take you up on you offer, l hope that is ok
jackie55
12-01-2019, 22:08
The excel list from a member on Men's Tennis Forums has the Olympic matches, can email requests (post was updated recently there so would seem to be still providing the service) https://www.tennisforum.com/12-general-messages/1293704-tennis-matches-dvd-blu-ray-download-mp4.html
Thanks James have emailed them, fingers crossed they can help
jackie55
12-01-2019, 23:12
Thanks again James, l have placed an order for both dvd's, the person has been very helpful
JAMES4578
12-01-2019, 23:27
Thanks again James, l have placed an order for both dvd's, the person has been very helpful
Good to hear Jackie :)
Guerkins2
13-01-2019, 00:44
Thanks James have emailed them, fingers crossed they can help
This is great James, thank you. I was just about to look for the details of an American company, I used a few months ago to buy the 2016 Olympic final, to send to Jackie, but these are much cheaper. I’d really like some of the Davis cup matches I don’t have.
When did he get his teeth done? They are talking about it in Murraynators.
themass15
10-04-2019, 15:10
I have seen lots of posts about that Linda. Someone said it was a few months ago. I imagine sometime between his op at the end of January and now.
Elizabeth
10-04-2019, 18:41
I think his "new" teeth look very nice.
Thanks again James, l have placed an order for both dvd's, the person has been very helpful
I would also like to get both Olympic finals. What is the quality like Jackie? And how much are they? (if you don't mind me asking)
jackie55
12-04-2019, 08:23
Caro, of course, l don't mind you asking, the quality is good for both dvd's, the only thing is that on the 2012 final you have to use 2 discs and the 2016 you have 3 discs. The cost l thought was reasonable £6 for 2012, £7 for 2016 plus P&P £1.40 total cost of £14.40. When l was emailing Sam with questions, l had very quick replies. Hope that is helpful to you:thumbup:
piscesperson
12-04-2019, 22:55
I noticed he had had his teeth done when he was woken up by Michael McIntyre for Sport Relief.
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