View Full Version : US OPEN 2016, QF: Andy loses to Nishikori 1-6 6-4 4-6 6-1 7-5
Good lad now push push push
Cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
LC the fan
07-09-2016, 21:42
Just wish Andy could find some of his best serves
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:43
Andy has just run out of winners, now entirely relying on Kei missing
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 21:43
Ideally though Andy needs to break again now, let's do it!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 21:43
Just 2 more chances to break now. Come on Andy!!!
Please break Kei's serve and then hold, Andy.
themass15
07-09-2016, 21:44
Feel like I did when I was at Wimbledon watching Andy play JWT in the quarter finals. Only he never looked back in the 5th set.
david1610
07-09-2016, 21:45
Break hold break and shower and massage.
C'mon Andy!
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:47
Service returns way below normal now
themass15
07-09-2016, 21:48
Pretty please Andy!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 21:48
0-40 to Deuce, come on!!!!!!!!
Brilliant return! From 40-0. 4-4
Yesss!! Andy you can do this!!!!
He's done it - now hold, Andy, pleeeeease!
wow.
I'm not sure how much more of this I can take!
themass15
07-09-2016, 21:49
At last is there light at the end of the tunnel.
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 21:49
I cant believe it. This is going to finish me off!!
C'mon Muzz!
Yellowlivi
07-09-2016, 21:49
YES phew. I was starting to worry. come on Andy, keep it going you're so close now
emjay1970
07-09-2016, 21:49
NNNNNgggggggg!!!!!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 21:49
Come. ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, please no more mistakes on serve now Andy.
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:49
What was I saying suddenly some much better service returns
RosieBear
07-09-2016, 21:50
Master brinksman Andy. Put my house on him holding now.
DaveArneRiise
07-09-2016, 21:50
I don't know what's worse following it on here or watching it.
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 21:50
Andy steps up big time but not must keep it going, come on! I'm finding the site so slow right now!
Big serve please AndyCmon
Hold hold hold. My word I'm a bag of nerves and stress
This game is soooooooooooooo huge.
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:51
Cmon Andy get serves in and somehow hold
Andy steps up big time but not must keep it going, come on! I'm finding the site so slow right now!
You can tell it's a rollercoaster when it does that. ;) 40-15
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 21:51
Need some aces or something.
C'mon Muzz!
Andy steps up big time but not must keep it going, come on! I'm finding the site so slow right now!
I'm glad you are - I thought it was my machine.
First serve, Andy, first serve.
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 21:52
Andy goes up 5-4 and hopefully nearly there
Now break, break, break!!!!!!!!
Now Andy finish the job
Cmon
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 21:53
132mph, he wants it. Now go get him!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 21:53
Just one more break now Andy :)
RosieBear
07-09-2016, 21:54
What match player Andy is :clap:
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:54
Yes in front? Now stay in front break this timr
Yellowlivi
07-09-2016, 21:54
One more game, come on, just one more game
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 21:55
Points 4, all you need
C'mon Muzz!
Quick love hold from Kei, Andy will not be happy. 5-5
my stream's gone
phew it's back!
RosieBear
07-09-2016, 21:56
Cmon Andy, screamer of a return game - let's go!
david1610
07-09-2016, 21:56
5-5 Next two games please. Pretty please! C'mon Andy!
HOLD and give yourself one more chance to break him
Cmon
DaveArneRiise
07-09-2016, 21:56
Is it tie breaker format deciding set?
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 21:57
So is it a Tb in this or do we just carry on.....gulp!
C'mon Muzz!
Okay - you can do this - hold and break - simples!
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 21:57
Andy couldn't make impression there, still more work to hopefully secure semi!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 21:57
Nishikori breezes through that one. Maybe Andy can do it on tiebreak.
themass15
07-09-2016, 21:57
Cannot watch again. Kei made that last game look oh so easy
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 21:57
Not the returns we needed Cmon Andy
themass15
07-09-2016, 21:59
Guys I am relying on you for scores as I cannot watch
I switched my Livestream off to just listen R5 live. But couldn't bear the suspense, so Livestream back on!
Come on Andeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:00
I will be amazed if Andy gets out of this.
roytennisfan
07-09-2016, 22:00
Andy is trying but struggling now
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 22:00
Argh..... I'm sweating cobs
C'mon Muzz!
Now finish it big serves please
Cmon
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:01
Andy making it easy for Nishi again.
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 22:02
Wow. Oh no.
C'mon Muzz!
RosieBear
07-09-2016, 22:02
I will be amazed if Andy gets out of this.
Why? Haven't you seen him work out tough matches over the years? He's quite good at it, you know.
Let's go Andy!!
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:02
Can't see Nishi failing this time.
emjay1970
07-09-2016, 22:02
Oh my sweet Jesus
Making this hard on us andOne more push cmon
I don't think Andy had a first serve in that game.
Well it's do or die now Andy - you have to break!
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:03
Why? Haven't you seen him work out tough matches over the years? He's quite good at it, you know.
Let's go Andy!!
Yes I have RB time and time again, but he has not been himself this evening
DaveArneRiise
07-09-2016, 22:03
Even if he were to win this how much would he have left?
All fingers and toes crossed now.
emjay1970
07-09-2016, 22:03
Come on!!!!!
murrayfan89
07-09-2016, 22:03
Andy's serve not on at all today and now Nishikori would serve for it.
It has to be said that was an amazing volley from Nishikori to break.
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 22:04
oh no Andy couldn't quite do enough there,must break kei again for TB-come on!
Andy is best returner in tennis time to step up and show it
Cmon
He's tight but is he tight enough?
Yellowlivi
07-09-2016, 22:05
There have been so many breaks in this set, just one more please!
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 22:06
Squeaky bum time....
C'mon Muzz!
Oh dear Andy on a weak 2nd serve. 2MPs
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:07
Even if he were to win this how much would he have left?
I hope Delpo smashes Stan and Nishi on Friday!
Keep it in play please
Cmon
:crying::crying::crying::crying:
themass15
07-09-2016, 22:08
Come on Delpo that's all I can say now. Perhaps Leon Smith will be secretly relieved.
:crying:
My stream gave up again. Probably just as well.
Get some rest Andy. You'll be back to fight another day.
Props to Kei for some great play.
A real shame, but didn't somebody say earlier he hadn't been feeling well? He has played a heck of a lot of matches this year, far more than Djokovic. I would rather he lost to Nishikori, than Djokovic. Personally I would also rather he had Wimbledon and The Olympic Gold than this one, but that's just me. He can go home for a few days and focus on DC.
david1610
07-09-2016, 22:27
I am afraid Andy lost that more than Kei winning it. You cannot give a set away at this level. If the let call was wrong it is your reaction to it that counts, not the call itself.
Very very sad.
Gutted for myself, but for Andy as much as it hurts right now, he's had a great season and a great few months. On the bright side he can head home rest and spend time with family before the DC next week. As for the remaining guys I'm crossing my fingers that it's delpo's title on Sunday
I see the forum crashed in sympathy. ;)
Andy sounding positive in his interview with Russell Fuller on 5Live and this is a great answer he gave in his press conference.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CryVTfFXgAAxZqi.jpg
Thanks Bardot, thought it was just me...was just going to post that!:thumbup:
tennis890
07-09-2016, 23:14
Such a shame, dipped in and out of the match to start with but watched the last 2 sets. Can safely say there were plenty of :sofa: moments!! Feel gutted for Andy, but as others have said at least he can now go rest up with the family before Davis Cup. Onwards and upwards eh? :thumbup:
Delpo for the win for me now!
JAMES4578
07-09-2016, 23:14
Forum seemed to go down for while, gutting when Andy was so close to pulling it out but just not enough consistency in the end and the serve was a bit problematic at times.Lack of focus in 4th obviously an issue but maybe Andy was a bit weary,credit to Nishikori for finding some inspired tennis! Still a great summer but disappointed Andy hasn't reached Us Open final since 2012 and also will need to wait for another crack at Djokovic in a slam, sure he can bounce back though and it has been busy summer.
I think Andy's just run out of emotional energy. We also have to give Kei his due - he kept his head and kept fighting. There were so many occasions when he could have gone to pieces but he kept it together, so hats off to him. Andy certainly helped Kei along the way, particularly in the fourth set, but Kei had to play incredibly well to win it. Personally, I'd rather neither Stan nor Delpo won the title - Stan because I just don't like him and Delpo because I don't want him to go into the Davis Cup on a high. I would really like either Kei or Gael to win it.
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 23:18
You can't win all of the matches all of the time, even if you are called Djokovic. Andy has had the best year in his career so far, is Double men's singles Olympic champion which none of the big 4 are going to be ever. I'm gutted, can't sleep but still he is my champion.
.. And 2016 isn't over yet.....
disappointed of course , I really thought this slam might be Andys
But thats how it goes sometimes
I see the forum crashed in sympathy. ;)
Andy sounding positive in his interview with Russell Fuller on 5Live and this is a great answer he gave in his press conference.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CryVTfFXgAAxZqi.jpg
Well said Andy! A hint there that there wasn't much in the tank tonight.
Such a shame, dipped in and out of the match to start with but watched the last 2 sets. Can safely say there were plenty of :sofa: moments!! Feel gutted for Andy, but as others have said at least he can now go rest up with the family before Davis Cup. Onwards and upwards eh? :thumbup:
Delpo for the win for me now!
Agreed. Go Delpo :)
Epic stress now totally wiped and I was only watching.
Gutted for Andy, he didn't look his best sadly, but I thought he played well. So close
Devastated. Have to say Kei played an amazing match and I thought his returning was outstanding. So disappointed for Andy, but like him, I will bounce back, and as always there is still so much yet to come. Refocus!
Mandiemoo
07-09-2016, 23:25
Whilst I will happily cheer Delpo on, I am reluctant to do so when he will be in DC action against Team GB & probably Andy in 10 days time. I hear by declare myself French & say 'Allez Monfils!'
The USTA felt it necessary to release a statement about the "noise" in the fourth set.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CryQquhWAAAlgIh.jpg
Apparently it happened twice during the women's match prior to Andy's and they played on.
I think if Delpo won the title (or even reach the final) he could well withdraw from the Davis Cup. He will have played a lot of tennis plus Tandil will be calling. ;)
Interesting that since winning in 2012, the US Open has become Andy's least successful slam not getting passed the QF in four attempts. A small point but it was extremely windy the weekend Andy won the SF & Final and that played to his strength and now there's a roof he no longer has that advantage even when it's open.
I'd like to see Gael or Kei win the title :popcorn: :unclesam:
LC the fan
07-09-2016, 23:46
Can't sleep thinking about all the narrowly missed chances. So so close, so nearly there (and without my friends on the forum) and Andy without his best serves
Interesting that Kei said the rain break helped him, they discussed and changed tactics...Andy doesn't like closed roofs in outdoor tournament.
HAving sId all that I do agree that two more hard matches and then DC was a horrendous prospect. AT least now he can go home and have four days total rest with his family and then Come up refreshed for DC ...he really needs and deserves some down time.
Although I desperately wanted Andy to win tonight, surprisingly I am not too disappointed. I'll take Wimbledon and Olympic Gold over any of the other slams any day and I'm sure they were Andy's main targets this year. I'll be rooting for Nishikori or Monfils as I'm not a fan of the other three. Andy's had an amazing year and should be so proud of what he has achieved and with Davis Cup still to play for it's not over yet.
Andy Roddick is currently "periscoping" Serena's match and somebody commented that (our) Andy was overrated. Roddick with a very robust defence said definitely not especially with the summer he's had and if anything he's been underrated. He said he's the hardest worker and the "greatest tactician in the game".
always knew I liked Roddick
The " talking Heads " are always for the winners , and to be honest most of them make my stomach turn , especially Cliff Drysdale , he is pathetic . They were all talking up Andy before today , saying how great he was , and how great he was playing , and then after todays loss , that all vanishes , and they are so negative about him .
Drysdale can barely get through any match without mentioning Federer , and hes always been so negative towards Andy , cant stand him
LC the fan
08-09-2016, 00:00
Must say have never seen Kei play so shrewdly or so well...once he got going.
Think the roof made a big difference to Andy...it takes away all the other elements that he judges so well.
But then, the serve percentage dropped and it all went tense and hard going.
However a nice break now while we watch Stan wear out Delpo. Must say if I get to choose the champ I would go for Gael (unlikely) Delpo (for sympathies sake) and then Kei rather than Stan pick up a third and Djoko crow again
Andy's press conference with video (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2016-09-07/andy_murray_interview_round_5.html?chip=0)
Mentions playing under the roof 3 times, hates it. ;) A bit of a touchy answer about the Davis Cup tie I thought.
DaveArneRiise
08-09-2016, 00:06
those rants and meltdowns about the roof and the noises didn't help his cause probably wasted a lot of energy and focus :(
Have to give credit to
kei though he was the worthy winner
LC the fan
08-09-2016, 00:14
Great interview though. Honest, but with head held high, and deservedly so ! Just love the guy
I know it's a great comeback story but I'm not sure why most people want Delpo to win. I'd far rather that it were Gael or Kei because it would be a first for either of them.
Thank goodness RollyG aren't planning a roof until 2019 at the earliest. Much to admire about French bureaucracy. :clap: ;)
A real shame, but didn't somebody say earlier he hadn't been feeling well? He has played a heck of a lot of matches this year, far more than Djokovic. I would rather he lost to Nishikori, than Djokovic. Personally I would also rather he had Wimbledon and The Olympic Gold than this one, but that's just me. He can go home for a few days and focus on DC. He just looked knackered to me. For whatever reason, be it the roof or tiredness he was missing shots he can usually make with his eyes closed.
I like Delpo, but don't want him to win. don't like Stan. Happy if Monfils wins.
Me too Jennan. As unlikely as it is, I'm hoping for a Monfils v Nishikori final with Monfils winning. I'm not as disappointed as I thought I would be for Andy. He seems quite philosophical about it and so am I. Having the Wimbledon and Olympic titles in his pocket is great compensation for this loss. He may not make number one this year but he is still playing the tennis of his life. If, as rumour has it, he really wasn't feeling great, then he did well to hang in as long as he did. He'll re-group and, hopefully, be rested enough to enjoy playing with the team in Glasgow.
WimbledonWestie
08-09-2016, 05:47
Disappointed cos we always want Andy to win and would've loved for him to reach all 4 slam finals but hey- he won Wimbledon and Olympics so well done Andy. Think he just ran out of steam a bit- LOts online about his arguing etc- think this is just a reaction to his frustration at not being able to play his best, I don't think it affected the outcome. Kei was inspired and Andy was a little off energy wise. We will cheer him up at DC.
RosieBear
08-09-2016, 05:48
A bit of a shame for Andy, but it was a trade off; Olympics v full energy for the USO. Andy priotised the Olympics, got the gold and made unique history. Absolutely the right call imo - there's 4 slams every year, and Andy will soon be picking up another. On the other hand, I wonder how many of their slam titles Nole and Fed would swop for just one gold medal..a good few, I would suggest.
I like all remaining players so will enjoy rest of the tournament as a neutral.
Don't understand why they didn't open the roof after it stopped raining. However clear that Andy is mvery tired and the break before the Davis Cup will be good. Just a pity there are no points this year for Davis Cup or olympics. A good run in Asia and at the tour championships will set up an interesting start for 2017. Hope Stan doesn't win from here but if number 1 is the goal the ideal is a Monfils / nishikori final.
themass15
08-09-2016, 05:55
Couldn't post after the match last night because my system froze which I assume was all the people posting after Andy lost. Still feel disappointed this morning but as RB said above Andy has had an amazing year and it had to end some time. This may alter his chances of winning SPOTY again but that is the least of his worries. This morning on BBC News they are making out that Andy lost because of all the things he got distracted by. I think the roof being closed caused most of the problems but it is history now. As far as the people left in the tournament are concerned, I would like to see Gael win and, if not Gael, Stan. I know that if Stan wins it will not sit well with people on the forum. However, if he does go on to win Andy has 2 Gold Medals and many more Masters wins so still is still way ahead of Stan, especially in the rankings!
Rosalind
08-09-2016, 06:08
I have a strong feeling that Djokovic will win again. Sorry everyone! If I had to pick who I wanted, then Kei or Monfils.
I really don't like to see Andy continue an argument on. He is not gong to win it and it must waste energy and hinder concentration. I feel the other players know that and up their game to profit at such times. That said, the noise blasting out at random is awful and probably contributed to him losing the match.
Andy will be back for DC - no question. And we will rally them to victory! :superman:
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
A real shame, but didn't somebody say earlier he hadn't been feeling well? He has played a heck of a lot of matches this year, far more than Djokovic. I would rather he lost to Nishikori, than Djokovic. Personally I would also rather he had Wimbledon and The Olympic Gold than this one, but that's just me. He can go home for a few days and focus on DC. He just looked knackered to me. For whatever reason, be it the roof or tiredness he was missing shots he can usually make with his eyes closed.
Yes I agree with all you've said, Teresa - though I didn't know Andy hadn't been feeling well. Clearly he's overplayed, but as he fairly pointed out, Kei has played a lot also, which is why I doubt he will win the whole thing.
I do wish Andy wouldn't go through these energy-sapping-grumpy-chuntering phases when things get to him. I wonder if Ivan had anything to say about that back in the locker room? I also wondered if Andy was already thinking about the DC - no reason why that occurred to me, but it did.
Personally, I would love to see the talented under-achiever, endearing Monfils win, but still think it's more likely to be Novak, despite shoulder/wrist or whatever ails him...
lovetennis
08-09-2016, 06:51
Disappointed that Andy lost but think he is ready for a battery recharge after his super summer. As RosieBear said Andy put everything into get the Rio gold and paid the price in NY. Kei played well after a poor start.
Onward for Andy, gained a few points on Djokovic, time enough for a few days at home with Kim & Sophia before going up to Glasgow where hopefully he will be refreshed.
sir coolerking
08-09-2016, 06:51
Kei was inspired and Andy was a little off energy wise. We will cheer him up at DC.
Was Kei inspired? His forehand was an issue most of the match, I don't think either player was at their best. But closing the roof clearly brought Kei back into it and the gong got him the fourth set courtesy of Andy losing it. But the biggest concern for me was Andy's first serve. His final service game summed it up, not a single first serve in, not a surprise he was broken then.
I'm not sure where this leaves his aims for the rest of the season. Number 1 is no longer an option really. I'd like to see him focus on trying to do well in London, but with a potential DC Final the week after he maybe distracted again, especially as it's going to be a big struggle to beat France.
lovetennis
08-09-2016, 06:58
Andy Roddick is currently "periscoping" Serena's match and somebody commented that (our) Andy was overrated. Roddick with a very robust defence said definitely not especially with the summer he's had and if anything he's been underrated. He said he's the hardest worker and the "greatest tactician in the game".
Roddick wasn't my cup of tea as a player, but as a commentator I find him very astute and sensible, unlike most of the other commies.
jackie55
08-09-2016, 07:04
Gutted, gutted for Andy, agree with him and everyone on forum that he had a brilliant summer, so he has given himself and us a lot to be proud of, hope that he makes use of his time off to spend with Kim and Sophia :hug: singing lots of songs maybe:big grin:. So proud to support him, just wondered how much more luck can Novak get :grrr:!!!!
I think the First Serve was the giveaway as to how tired he actually was. Things suddenly can catch up with you, as I think they did last night. I can only speak for myself, but when I am tired my normally dire coordination gets even more dire. As I have said elsewhere I also descend into fractious toddler mode, which was Murray last night.
I also think the pressure he felt on himself having been the Olympic Flagbearer to bring home a Gold Medal was also immense, (It's great he got the gig, because he will remember it for the rest of his days), but psychologically it must also have had an effect.
I am not one whit worried by his first serve, when he is rested normal service will be resumed.
If somebody added up the number of matches he has played this year I bet he is in the lead. We have a human not a superhuman to my eternal gratitude. 5th Queen's, Wimbledon and Olympic Gold, plus a Masters 1000 on clay. I am quite happy with the season so far.
Was Kei inspired? His forehand was an issue most of the match, I don't think either player was at their best. But closing the roof clearly brought Kei back into it and the gong got him the fourth set courtesy of Andy losing it. But the biggest concern for me was Andy's first serve. His final service game summed it up, not a single first serve in, not a surprise he was broken then.This for me.
An exciting match, but a very disappointing ending. I believed Andy would have been the only one who would have given Djokovic a match in the final. I would like to see Monfils beat Novak, but I hate to think Monfils would suddenly become "injured" as well during the match. I know Timea Bacsinszky's win over Vitalia Diachenko is being investigated, maybe Novak's matches should be looked into as well if Monfils and then either Wawrinka or Nishikori suddenly become injured.
Odd this morning knowing Andy hasn't reached the semis. However.....everyone has said what I've been feeling. He's had a truly fantastic summer of excellence, is probably in need of rest and family time, and it was a shame he lost his cool during the match. But he does tend to wear his heart on his sleeve and it's what we love about him. Doesn't always lead to the win he deserves though. Onwards and upwards Andy.
My stream gave up last night, so I missed the end. And I guess we were overloading the forum as I couldn't get on here easily either.
Kei was brilliant at times. Andy didn't seem to have his first serve with him for the bits of the match that I saw.
Andy has had the most amazing few months. We've come to expect so much of him - as he expects much of himself - but he's human and needs a rest!
We are still proud of you, Andy.
Murray rocks
08-09-2016, 07:53
Just think a match too far. Proud of him for getting that far. Onwards to the Davis Cup. The guy is such a hero and he deserves a Heros welcome when he steps on that court which I'm sure we will all give him.
themass15
08-09-2016, 07:58
Cheer him on for me. He deserves every accolade he gets.
Andy's press conference with video (http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2016-09-07/andy_murray_interview_round_5.html?chip=0)
Mentions playing under the roof 3 times, hates it. ;) A bit of a touchy answer about the Davis Cup tie I thought.
I think his answer to the DC tie question was more a case of give me a break I've just lost a close match and I need to get my head round that first.
Looking forward to DC now. There are still 2 Masters and WTF to come where Andy should do better. Playing in NY is like a football match and especially if crowd is against you, we all know how sensitive is our Andy. Too many distractions for Andy to focus. He just gave up. That match point, how many times have we seen Andy going down the line but it went into the net. These conditions do not suit the likes of Fed, Rafa and Andy these days.Had this been the AO I'd be gutted.:thumbup: btw I am for Monfils.
If nothing else, Andy's performance last night may dispel the myth that Andy doesn't rant when Lendl's in his box. I wonder how long it will be before one of our esteemed pundits suggests that Lendl won't stay around if Andy continues to rant? I put my money on Cash - he seems to think he can read Lendl's mind.
Needed a bit of time to gather my thoughts!
FACT: Nothing will ever take away from the outstanding 2016 Andy has had thus far, and I believe there is more to come.
FACT: It's been pure joy to follow, support and cheer him on all the way throughout this success. He's given a lot to cheer for.
FACT: And we are still there for him through his losses (only been a few).
FACT: The argument about the roof open or closed rumbles on and will continue to do so. We've been round the block with the pros and cons of the roof and it is only my personal thought that the decision to keep the roof closed yesterday may have been a wrong one. But it is over and we move on.
FACT: This still sucks today! But on hearing Andy's presser, I am beginning to accept it. Time to move on.
Bottom line....I am now glad Andy has more time to rest, get his life back and enjoy his family before focussing on DC. (and perhaps help mum Judy celebrate her birthday today...happy birthday Judy!).
You are a great Champ Andy! Well done!!
patmoren
08-09-2016, 09:29
Poor Andy being lambasted from all sides on top of a fantastic year of achievement. Fortunately it doesn't seem to worry him and as he says "I have nothing to be sorry for". Good on you Andy have a rest and come back smiling.
The same people who are lambasting him this morning - after narrowly losing a very hard fought five set match - are the very ones who were praising him to the heights yesterday. He has achieved so much more than most of them could dream of. Why on earth would he take any notice of them?
Sallydaisy
08-09-2016, 10:13
Andrew Castle on twitter:
Andrew Castle @AndrewCastle63 (https://twitter.com/AndrewCastle63) 10h10 hours ago (https://twitter.com/AndrewCastle63/status/773670183428915201)
Murray 2016.
Aus Open Final
French Open Final
Wimbledon Champion
USOpen Q/F
Rio https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f3c5.png
Davis Cup S/F to come
Some of you think that's poor!?!
I think Andy made a good point in his presser - he talked about some of the matches he's played recently where he "should" have lost (eg vs Johnson in Rio), but came through and won. This was the other way round. It happens.
And, yes, well done Bouncy for pointing out all that Andy's achieved this year!
supergran
08-09-2016, 10:37
Proud of Andy. He said in his presser that he did his best and I don't think he gave up. He lost because of a few factors; allowing himself to be distracted by the noise and umpire's decision, keeping the roof closed. (Why, for goodness sake as it was a short shower) He was uncomfortable playing with it closed, errors in his bread and butter shots and obviously Kei's tactics coming to the net more, great drop shots etc. I also think his long, successful season and the matches to reach the semi played a part also. It's absolutely pointless to castigate him for getting frustrated and talking as that's what Andy does and he won't change. He may not do it when he's playing well, Lendl or no Lendl but has always done it when frustrated if making too many errors. The commentary team make me very angry as they go on and on as if they know exactly what he's thinking. Also some very inappropriate comments from McEnroe et al about Lendl and his demeanour. They make my blood boil. I prefer that he lost to an on form Kei rather than Wawrinka. I do think that he will bounce back for the rest of the season and am sure he'll perform well in the Davis Cup. He seemed very calm and philosophical in his interview which was very honest as usual.I'm sure he's disappointed but Wimbledon Champion and Gold Medal is such a massive achievement so as a fervent supporter I'll take that and wish him well for the rest of the season. Now supporting Monfils.Just to add....the finalists at the Olympics both went out in the quarters.
Sallydaisy
08-09-2016, 10:39
From Jamie Delgado on Twitter:
jamie delgado @DelgadoJamie (https://twitter.com/DelgadoJamie) 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/DelgadoJamie/status/773830624209674240)
Back in London...gutted last night in NYC but will come back stronger.. #usopen (https://twitter.com/hashtag/usopen?src=hash)https://abs.twimg.com/hashflags/2016_usopen_tennis_emoji_rev/2016_usopen_tennis_emoji_rev.png (https://twitter.com/hashtag/usopen?src=hash)
Good for Andrew Castle - he's changed his attitude towards Andy a lot since Andy came on tour. I was thinking too about all Andy has achieved so far this season and we can feel very proud of our boy. He's won the titles that really matter - Queens, Wimbledon and Gold in Rio.
He lost in a difficult five set match match to another player in the top 10 in what has become his least successful grand slam. He went down fighting.
I too would rather Andy lost to Nishikori, a hardworking player, than Wawrinka, Delpo or Djoko.
From Jamie Delgado on Twitter:
That was quick - I wonder if they used a private jet.
I have to say I'm not as disappointed as I thought I'd be. To be honest, I'm almost relieved Andy has gone out and I like Kei, so am happy for him to progress and I think he did play a fabulous match. The guys in Andy's half IMHO, apart from Delpo (who I'm guessing from SG's post above, has gone out to Stan?) don't stand a chance against Nole. They've all played full matches and after a 5 setter, Kei is not going to be as full of energy as he was after dismissing Karlovic in 3. So, for me I'd like to see Kei win it now but I don't hold out much hope.
Think Andy will put the #1 idea to bed for this year now, he needs to rest. I hope he'll come out refreshed in 2017 because he's played soooo much tennis compared to the likes of Nole this year, it's unbelievable and at the expense of his own ranking points. I do wonder if he'll play DC next year, I have a strong suspicion (perhaps a vague memory from Lendl's last stint as coach) that Lendl doesn't approve of Andy playing DC and he did mention giving up coaching Andy last time partly because Andy was no longer listening to him. I suspect he's bought into DC this year because that was already part of Andy's plan when he came back on board. At least next year there are no Olympics but personally I'd like to see Andy concentrate on #1. He'll be remembered more for that and slams than DC and winning DC once was a huge achievement which can't be taken away. So tick that one off and the 2 Olympics and move on to the last piece of the jigsaw.
banskogirl
08-09-2016, 11:21
A bit of a shame for Andy, but it was a trade off; Olympics v full energy for the USO. Andy priotised the Olympics, got the gold and made unique history. Absolutely the right call imo - there's 4 slams every year, and Andy will soon be picking up another. On the other hand, I wonder how many of their slam titles Nole and Fed would swop for just one gold medal..a good few, I would suggest.
I like all remaining players so will enjoy rest of the tournament as a neutral.
great post Rosie :) I agree with all except I am not neutral, I want Kei or Gael!
I have to say I'm not as disappointed as I thought I'd be. To be honest, I'm almost relieved Andy has gone out and I like Kei, so am happy for him to progress and I think he did play a fabulous match. The guys in Andy's half IMHO, apart from Delpo (who I'm guessing from SG's post above, has gone out to Stan?) don't stand a chance against Nole. They've all played full matches and after a 5 setter, Kei is not going to be as full of energy as he was after dismissing Karlovic in 3. So, for me I'd like to see Kei win it now but I don't hold out much hope.
Think Andy will put the #1 idea to bed for this year now, he needs to rest. I hope he'll come out refreshed in 2017 because he's played soooo much tennis compared to the likes of Nole this year, it's unbelievable and at the expense of his own ranking points. I do wonder if he'll play DC next year, I have a strong suspicion (perhaps a vague memory from Lendl's last stint as coach) that Lendl doesn't approve of Andy playing DC and he did mention giving up coaching Andy last time partly because Andy was no longer listening to him. I suspect he's bought into DC this year because that was already part of Andy's plan when he came back on board. At least next year there are no Olympics but personally I'd like to see Andy concentrate on #1. He'll be remembered more for that and slams than DC and winning DC once was a huge achievement which can't be taken away. So tick that one off and the 2 Olympics and move on to the last piece of the jigsaw.
I think that Andy will take a few days off - go to Glasgow on Monday, play the DC and then his exhibition. Then take a longer break and play his schedule - Beijing, Shanghai, Vienna and Paris and then the O2. Partly depends on Davis Cup. If GB in final against Croatia it will be a home tie and no change of surface. If France away, likely to be indoor clay and the doubles will be tough. Might be a blessing to lose DC semi-final but don't think that will happen. Might skip all tournaments in Australia and have training block after Christmas instead. Miami in 2017 is the best shot for #1 as many points to defend in the clay season and surely Andy will focus on that.
traveller7
08-09-2016, 11:40
I couldn't get on here after match kept crashing as with some others.
I am feeling ok about his loss and much to be proud of regarding his accomplishments this year. Double Wimbledon and Olympic champion amazing.
It was a hard fought 5 set match would have been harder to take if it was a 3 set roasting.
I don't mind who wins but think it will be Nole,
LC the fan
08-09-2016, 11:48
I'm just sick of the reports using words like 'crashes out' and 'dumped out of the tournament'
Did they watch the match I wonder ? Or do they just like outrageous headlines.
He neither crashed or was dumped. He took it to 5 sets and lost at the end because of a reflex volley from Kei that he could do nothing about. 5 long sets of some great competitive play. Rest up Andy 4 days of rest - and don't read the papers
Well done Bouncy! :clap:
Thank goodness for his sanity. My little Labrador commentator has come up trumps. A bit clumsy, but eternally loyal. Later I will present the latest in Teresa's spreadsheets. A cursory glance shows Mr M is way ahead in number of games played this year.
Really I am often distraught at his losses. I am just not today. If anything I am relieved. Losing to Djokovic again would have been bad - and I think that's what would have happened with Djokovic. He has got 3 Grand Slams (so far), 2 amazing Gold Medals. Got Masters 1000 titles on every surface, been in all the GS finals. If getting to No 1 means he has to kill himself, or cut his playing years. No 1 can stuff it.
I only got to the end of the 4th set last night - two sleep deprived nights in a row meant I just ran out of juice (Monday was tennis induced, but Tuesday was entirely my own fault). In the first set I thought it was all going to be over nice and quickly, he was playing great, hit some wonderful shots, Kei looked down and out. Even in the 3rd set, I still thought Andy had it. But I had a horrible feeling in the 4th that he just wasn't going to summon the win from anywhere. I was very disappointed this morning when I woke up to the news headlines of "Murray crashes out". Errr, no - he did not crash. And I'm disappointed because I really thought he had a great chance at winning USO this year.
However, I do think it all just suddenly caught up on him. The frustrations were possibly longer lasting because he's tired, so he might have stopped muttering and moaning at the umpire a little bit sooner if he was fresh. Don't know about anyone else but if I'm shattered then the least little thing will annoy the heck out of me!!
It could be a blessing in disguise. He gets a few days rest now at home before DC next week. We know he loves being with Leon and the GB team so hopefully that will pick him up, plus the love he'll get from all the fans in Glasgow.
If you'd said to us on Jan 1st 2016 that Andy would get to 3 Slam finals, win Wimbledon and Olympic gold then I'm fairly sure we'd have said "thanks very much, that'll do nicely". There's still a lot of points up for grabs between now and the end of the season, and we should all take heart from the absolute stormer of a year he has had. I just pray that 2017 is the year he FINALLY wins the Aussie Open, surely no one deserves it more after all the finals he's been in.
gardengnomie
08-09-2016, 13:43
To be honest, when Andy won the London Olympics, I was very very happy.
When he won the US Open, and was the first Brit to win a slam for donkeys years, I was ecstatic.
When he then won Wimbledon, I thought, I can now die happy - anything else is a bonus.
To win a second Wimbledon, a second Olympics and to get to two other slam finals this year is quite some bonus!
With the US Open that Dan and Kyle had, and the summer in general that Andy has had, I think the GB team must feel pretty upbeat, and we know how much he loves playing Davis Cup. I think when he said he wasn't too disappointed in the defeat, he really meant it. Having the Davis Cup at home just round the corner is just what he needs. Four extra days of rest with the family is an unexpected bonus.
It wasn't a tame defeat, he fought to the end, and it could have gone either way, so not a tame defeat to be ashamed of.
Andy has wriggled out of tonnes of situations this year, this time he couldn't quite do it, but Kei played well (and possibly had the luck this time).
Would rather he lost heroically to Kei than dismally to Novak.
Proud of Andy. He said in his presser that he did his best and I don't think he gave up. He lost because of a few factors; allowing himself to be distracted by the noise and umpire's decision, keeping the roof closed. (Why, for goodness sake as it was a short shower) He was uncomfortable playing with it closed, errors in his bread and butter shots and obviously Kei's tactics coming to the net more, great drop shots etc. I also think his long, successful season and the matches to reach the semi played a part also. It's absolutely pointless to castigate him for getting frustrated and talking as that's what Andy does and he won't change. He may not do it when he's playing well, Lendl or no Lendl but has always done it when frustrated if making too many errors. The commentary team make me very angry as they go on and on as if they know exactly what he's thinking. Also some very inappropriate comments from McEnroe et al about Lendl and his demeanour. They make my blood boil. I prefer that he lost to an on form Kei rather than Wawrinka. I do think that he will bounce back for the rest of the season and am sure he'll perform well in the Davis Cup. He seemed very calm and philosophical in his interview which was very honest as usual.I'm sure he's disappointed but Wimbledon Champion and Gold Medal is such a massive achievement so as a fervent supporter I'll take that and wish him well for the rest of the season. Now supporting Monfils.Just to add....the finalists at the Olympics both went out in the quarters.
Well said Maureen. I also think it's worth noting when he said in his presser that he tried his best, he also followed that up with..."I fought as hard as I could with what I had today..." I think the "with what I had" is significant. Suggesting the tank wasn't full perhaps?
I was unhappy with the closed roof too.
It really irks me also when commies comment on camera shots of Lendl watching Andy...it's as if they are making fun of Lendl, that he's some sort of joke. How wrong they are.
Andy has really done us proud this season, hasn't he? We get so used to him winning we do have to occasionally remind ourselves, using Andy's words from his presser, "...you can't win every match...". So I'll go with that!
The commentary team make me very angry as they go on and on as if they know exactly what he's thinking. Also some very inappropriate comments from McEnroe et al about Lendl and his demeanour. They make my blood boil.
They make my blood boil too, SG. McEnroe and Wilander are the worst, with Cash not far behind. They seem to think that because they have been there and done it, they know exactly what Andy and Lendl are thinking. Such arrogance and the lesser pundits - such as Bradman - bow to their superior judgement. Thank goodness for Bouncy - he's just gone up several notches in my estimation. Thankfully, I am sure, neither Andy nor Lendl give a toss about what they think or say!
I also think it's worth noting when he said in his presser that he tried his best, he also followed that up with..."I fought as hard as I could with what I had today..." I think the "with what I had" is significant. Suggesting the tank wasn't full perhaps?
I picked up on that too, Teresa, and thought it was significant. I think Andy is running on fumes at the moment and a rest is well overdue. I am sure Andy doesn't read posts on this forum any more but I do hope that he realises just how much we appreciate his efforts and how much joy he gives us.
Lendl "some sort of joke" ?? No no no!!! Pure envy and jealousy come to mind.:shrug::shrug::rolleyes:
HoopGirl
08-09-2016, 16:08
I agree with much of what I have read on here - Andy let his focus slip last night - I suspect that this was as a result of his amazing run and pure emotional if not physical exhaustion.
I always want Andy to win regardless however on this occasion although sad - because it would have been great to have made the record books - it still has been great to win not just another grand slam but Wimbledon - and not just another Olympic medal ( if there can be such a thing) but another Gold. Plus the Davis cup!
So a bit of rest and relaxation, then some play for his country and hopefully he will be raring to go and ready to beat Novak in the finals of tournaments again in anticipation of wining the AO in January!
Andy began his presser with "I have not let anyone down" and that is so right, showing once again how he shoulders the weight of all our expectations as well as his own high standards. As has already been said, he was running on fumes by last night but still gave his all so I'm somewhat relieved that he isn't having to drag himself back out on Friday to face Stan. I hope that the few extra days rest will restore some of his energy but I would be happier if he didn't feel the need to play doubles next Saturday.
Actually, the more time I have to reflect on last night's result, the more relieved I feel. As others have said, I would far rather Andy lost to Kei than to Stan or Djoko - which, given his physical state at the moment, would probably have happened. I am still convinced that a fully fit and rested Andy would have beaten Djokovic had they had a similar route to the final.
I couldn't post during the match as on hols so watching on Sky go on iPad (a couple of points behind TV). I must admit I never, ever believed Andy was going to lose that match, so it came as quite a shock. Of course I was sad but as others have said, he has had a great year. Happy to read many forummers giving some credit to Kei. I could reel off plenty of other players' fans that wouldn't do that!
I have regrouped now and looking forward to cheering on our champ at DC with all of the friends on here who I have met because of him. Andy, we love you.
Guerkins2
08-09-2016, 18:00
I'm just sick of the reports using words like 'crashes out' and 'dumped out of the tournament'
Did they watch the match I wonder ? Or do they just like outrageous headlines.
He neither crashed or was dumped. He took it to 5 sets and lost at the end because of a reflex volley from Kei that he could do nothing about. 5 long sets of some great competitive play. Rest up Andy 4 days of rest - and don't read the papers
Annabel Croft was saying it was a huge upset.... I believe her words were..... You would think he had
been knocked out by somone ranked 200!
Annabel Croft was saying it was a huge upset.... I believe her words were..... You would think he had
been knocked out by somone ranked 200!
Typical Croft! To be knocked out after a gruelling five setter - that could have gone either way - by another top ten player is hardly a huge upset. Surprising maybe but a huge upset - definitely not!
WimbledonWestie
08-09-2016, 19:21
On a trip with my class today. Sitting at lunch one of the boys turned to me with a sympathetic face and said 'so miss, you'll be disappointed Andy Murray lost '. They know me well! They then started talking about how well he'd done at Wimbledon and Olympics. They have been warned to expect me to be a little excitable over next week or so.
I'm guessing that you teach an older primary class, Westie. That's pretty perceptive given that you've only had them for a few weeks.
themass15
08-09-2016, 20:27
Proud of Andy. He said in his presser that he did his best and I don't think he gave up. He lost because of a few factors; allowing himself to be distracted by the noise and umpire's decision, keeping the roof closed. (Why, for goodness sake as it was a short shower) He was uncomfortable playing with it closed, errors in his bread and butter shots and obviously Kei's tactics coming to the net more, great drop shots etc. I also think his long, successful season and the matches to reach the semi played a part also. It's absolutely pointless to castigate him for getting frustrated and talking as that's what Andy does and he won't change. He may not do it when he's playing well, Lendl or no Lendl but has always done it when frustrated if making too many errors. The commentary team make me very angry as they go on and on as if they know exactly what he's thinking. Also some very inappropriate comments from McEnroe et al about Lendl and his demeanour. They make my blood boil. I prefer that he lost to an on form Kei rather than Wawrinka. I do think that he will bounce back for the rest of the season and am sure he'll perform well in the Davis Cup. He seemed very calm and philosophical in his interview which was very honest as usual.I'm sure he's disappointed but Wimbledon Champion and Gold Medal is such a massive achievement so as a fervent supporter I'll take that and wish him well for the rest of the season. Now supporting Monfils.Just to add....the finalists at the Olympics both went out in the quarters.
I put the sound on mute in the last set because the commentators were driving me mad, although I was so stressed I saw very little of it.
WimbledonWestie
08-09-2016, 20:40
I'm guessing that you teach an older primary class, Westie. That's pretty perceptive given that you've only had them for a few weeks.
They are p7- I had a lot of them in p5 so they already know me- and the rest of the staff are never short on finding opportunities to comment on my tennis love so they are used to all the references. But in the footie mad west of Scotland I was quite chuffed that they noticed and wanted to comment on it with me.
I'm glad to hear that you're educating them so well, Westie. P7 is a great age to teach.
The commentators on Jamie's doubles match making the point that Jamie is not letting distractions and complaints to the umpire affect his game - unlike his younger brother last night!:grrr: Ironically, I think it's the same umpire who was umpiring Andy's match last night.
Rosalind
08-09-2016, 21:54
yes it's the same umpire.
WimbledonWestie
08-09-2016, 22:10
I'm glad to hear that you're educating them so well, Westie. P7 is a great age to teach.
Thanks! They also knew we had won DC and that it was Belgium we beat in final. I have clearly been called to spread the tennis word!
Andy will certainly have been feeling the effects of a tough schedule although he said it had no impact on the result (not one to make excuses) but as he pointed out in his press conference, Kei has also played a lot of tennis. Indeed unlike Andy, he played Toronto (reaching the final) and played as many matches as Andy (although not a best of 5 sets) at the Olympics. His bonus might have been losing to Tomic in the third round in Cincinnati where had he won, he would have played Andy in the QF.
In his press conference, Kei said beating Andy was revenge for losing in the Davis Cup and he also thinks the umpire was correct in stopping play due to the noise as it did upset his concentration.
The commentators on Jamie's doubles match making the point that Jamie is not letting distractions and complaints to the umpire affect his game - unlike his younger brother last night!:grrr: Ironically, I think it's the same umpire who was umpiring Andy's match last night.
I picked up on that too. Commies just couldn't let it go, could they!
It seems to me the whole scheduling thing is an issue - over recent times Andy has consistently prioritised the DC, having previously been attacked for NOT playing. In a year where there's been a defence of both the DC and Olympic title, also winning Wimbledon for the 2nd time, it's not surprising something has to give. It's so frustrating when the media starts having a go because Andy's body (and mind) begins reflecting the strain. He's only human for goodness sake.
We've been describing Novak as "a robot" for sometime now, but even he is proving to be vulnerable. I think if Andy wants to achieve No 1 ranking, he has to step back from DC - a tough ask. We know he didn't play the Serbian tie, but just by being there, I'm sure he used up quite a bit of emotional energy. Such a tough schedule for the top players.
Well, I didn't really see any of this match. I was so sick that I laid in bed, turned the TV on, sound off as I couldn't bear the noise and fell asleep. Woke up near end of first set and thought, he's running away with this, dozed back off. Saw Nishikori had leveled at 1 set all and then slept through the rest of the match. Bear in mind this was daytime here. Don't remember ever feeling so ill that I couldn't watch an Andy match and whats more I didn't care. Maybe I was saved from the ups and downs, I don't know.
Having read through here, I am kind of relieved he lost. He can rest a little before Davis Cup. I also think he wants the number 1 and I agree that he should bow out of Davis Cup next year so he can focus on that.
Hope you're feeling better, Genbrit.
Sorry you have been so poorly Genbrit. Hope you're feeling better now.
I don't have any strong feeling about whether Andy should pull out if DC next year. It's about what's important to him. I am a massive DC fan so personally I think all the top players should play all of the time if they're fit ... but that isn't happening any time soon so your call Andy.
It seems to me the whole scheduling thing is an issue - over recent times Andy has consistently prioritised the DC, having previously been attacked for NOT playing. In a year where there's been a defence of both the DC and Olympic title, also winning Wimbledon for the 2nd time, it's not surprising something has to give. It's so frustrating when the media starts having a go because Andy's body (and mind) begins reflecting the strain. He's only human for goodness sake.
We've been describing Novak as "a robot" for sometime now, but even he is proving to be vulnerable. I think if Andy wants to achieve No 1 ranking, he has to step back from DC - a tough ask. We know he didn't play the Serbian tie, but just by being there, I'm sure he used up quite a bit of emotional energy. Such a tough schedule for the top players.
next year's calendar has DC first round straight after Australian Open, second round after Miami, third round as now.
Depending on the draw this might be easier for Andy than 2016 as the crucial post Wimbledon period is clear and there is a reasonable gap after the first round before a 500 and then Indian Wells still leaving time for a coaching block and some rest.
I have done a quick check and discovered that Andy has played way and above the number of matches than the others have. As much as 4 Times in case of Djokovic. Kei has only played half as many since RG
themass15
09-09-2016, 14:29
According to some press Lendl was less than impressed with Andy's performance and walked out.
According to some press Lendl was less than impressed with Andy's performance and walked out.
Doesn't Lendl always walk out? If Lendl doesn't understand and accept Murray's peculiar psyche by now he shouldn't have got back with him. Murray was exhausted and frustrated - it showed.
According to some press Lendl was less than impressed with Andy's performance and walked out.
You mean those members of the press who love to dish the dirt on Andy whenever they gat the chance!:grrr: I said it wouldn't be long before some pundit suggested that Lendl wouldn't put up with Andy's antics and would walk. Ivan probably needed the loo!
Actually I have been quite impressed with the reporting on this. There are always the journalists and commentators that like to make digs. Whatever he does he can't win, but generally they seem to appreciate that the poor clump of Earth was simply knackered.
themass15
09-09-2016, 15:04
Indeed and why would he not be with all the tennis played since May!
Jeff Tarango (I know but 5Live keep employing him) throughout the match repeatedly referred to Andy's dialogue with his box saying he was surprised Lendl put up with it and suggested he should stand up and give it back or leave. This is his conversation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04757wz) after the match where he labours the point about Lendl's quick exit at the end. Russell Fuller soon shuts him down saying Andy and Lendl will move on quickly.
5Live trying to make something of it by creating a graphic complete with grammatical error. ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr0GzBCXYAAaFxs.jpg
I wonder when the next time Andy & Lendl will be together as I can't see Lendl making the Asian trip. It could well be pre-season training wherever that will be.
"Say's" Tarango, who was a very unpopular player in his time, caused trouble for Henman, Agassi & others and was banned from Wimbledon for his attitude........and as for Tennis World....heck!...BOOOOO!!!.....a link for Mr.tarango..........https://www.beamly.com/tv-film/20-years-since-jeff-tarangos-infamous-wimbledon-walkout-slap/
Rosalind
09-09-2016, 16:16
I think Lendl needs the loo and needs to make quick exits. I think it's his age. What do these silly little reporters know! What annoys me is that the general public, who don't need any encouragement, then distort things even more to make a crass statement like Andy lost because of a moth or whatever.
I wonder if they're saying something similar about Serena! :grrr:
:lol: I can sympathize with Lendl if thats the reason
Serena was injured of course :p
:lol: I can sympathize with Lendl if thats the reason
Serena was injured of course :p
Ah, so that's why she had her arms bandaged...
Ah, so that's why she had her arms bandaged...
:laugh:
I think Lendl needs the loo and needs to make quick exits. I think it's his age. What do these silly little reporters know! What annoys me is that the general public, who don't need any encouragement, then distort things even more to make a crass statement like Andy lost because of a moth or whatever.
I wonder if they're saying something similar about Serena! :grrr:
They were actually talking about the amount of comfort breaks lendel needs, the other day. People seemed perfectly happy at the time that it was just that. Only since Andy lost did the press think any more of it.
:lol: I can sympathize with Lendl if thats the reason
Serena was injured of course :p
Of course ...................;)
themass15
09-09-2016, 17:54
The press will always make mountains out of molehills
The press will always make mountains out of molehills
Especially when it's Andy their focus is on!
WimbledonWestie
09-09-2016, 18:32
Given that Lendl tends to exit as soon as a match ends- win or lose (remember Queens final lol) this is a non story Bing stirred by folk stuck for dirt to stir.
I wasn't sure whether I wanted to hear Tarango's conversation or not, so after hovering the mouse indecisively over the link for a few moments, curiosity got the better of me! I must say Tarango's one to be talking about keeping stuff 'bottled up'! I'm just glad I didn't have to listen to that and was able to watch Andy's match on the 'no-commentary' stream giving me the benefit of every sound minus the constant chatter and prattle.
Ah, so that's why she had her arms bandaged...
Well that is better than Bouncy who said she was wearing arm stockings!
themass15
09-09-2016, 21:59
I thought it was a new fashion
I guess I'll be one of the last ones to post about this match! Has been a busy time of late - but did manage to watch this contest.
I think many folk have pinpointed pretty well the main reasons why Andy lost this match. The closure of the roof was undoubtedly a factor. It not only allowed Kei to regroup and rework his tactics - but also I think an indoor court suits Kei more than Andy - he struggled to beat Kei at Davis Cup earlier this year - and also I think lost to Kei at World Tour Finals, maybe in 2014? So, yes, roof definitely a key aspect of this. Andy usually beats Kei outdoors (which would be most of the time).
Whilst Andy played a fabulous first set - and first part of second set - when most folk I'm sure thought he'd coast to victory - he really wasn't at his best for the rest of the match. I thought he hit more wild forehands in the match than I'd seen him hit all season. Concentration was definitely a factor - and perhaps he was due a big match at some point where he would not be at his best - happens to the best of them.
It is worth mentioning that no ATP player has ever won Wimbledon, an Olympic gold and the US Open in the same season. I don't think there has even been anyone winning Olympic gold and US Open, let alone the 3! Also, no ATP player has ever reached the finals of all the slams, plus won singles gold medal at Olympics. It shows just how hard it is to do. I genuinely thought Andy would do it though - but he had a tough draw to achieve that. Give him Novak's draw and perhaps things might have been different - ifs buts and maybes.
Having said all that, if Andy had been offered 2 of the following 3 titles: Wimbledon, Olympics and US Open - I wouldn't be surprised if he would pick Wimbledon and the Olympics. Amazing achievement. There will be several more US Opens for him to win, other chances to be world number 1 too.
themass15
11-09-2016, 20:46
Andy has had an amazing Summer; it just wasn't to be a the US Open.
Have just watched the dimi match again and he looked really weary when being interviewed. He has played so many more matches than the othes
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