View Full Version : DOHA 2017, FINAL: Andy v Nole - Saturday 3.00 pm
Sallydaisy
06-01-2017, 18:49
Here we go again folks!!!
:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
:clap:
Joshua Rocker @Joshua_Rocker
Murray has been in every final, apart from US Open, since May 2016. Going for sixth consecutive title tomorrow. Unstoppable right now!
you can bet its gonna cost the tournament directors a fortune in bonus cash for this final
RosieBear
06-01-2017, 19:02
Cannot wait! Andy v Nole final = perfect Saturday arvo entertainment. Andy unpicked Nole at the O2, was there and their different auras were so noticable - Andy calm, purposeful, an answer for everything, Nole lost for ideas when the winning formula was no longer winning. Expect same tomorrow. GO ANDY!!!!! :cheer::cheer::cheer:
you can bet its gonna cost the tournament directors a fortune in bonus cash for this final
what? how does that work?
what? how does that work?
who knows its all shrouded in mystery, but the common perception is appearance money isn't just about turning up and that there is bonus money tied into how far they progress in the tournament
and i read somewhere that andy has a payment for results deal with Under Armor
lovetennis
06-01-2017, 19:34
Looking forward to this one no end. Haven't seen any of Djok's matches this week but going on reports on here and elsewhere he is looking much as he did at the end of 2016.Saw a pic of him from today's match and he looks so drawn. Sir Andy on the other hand looks strong and fit as a fiddle. Thought he played very well against Berdy so I'm happily predicting an Andy win. Got a feeling that 24-11 h2h is going to be heading the right direction
The Very, Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:
DonaldGrump
07-01-2017, 00:38
Looking forward to this one no end. Haven't seen any of Djok's matches this week but going on reports on here and elsewhere he is looking much as he did at the end of 2016.Saw a pic of him from today's match and he looks so drawn. Sir Andy on the other hand looks strong and fit as a fiddle. Thought he played very well against Berdy so I'm happily predicting an Andy win. Got a feeling that 24-11 h2h is going to be heading the right direction
My brain scream agreement with this, and you are right Djoko looks way out of sorts compared to normal, he has had another easy route to a final and were it not for Verdasco having the contents of his bowels fall out Novak would be out.
Take a look at Andy and at Novak currently and everything points to Andy winning and without to much drama.....but this is Novak Djokovic and the ****** has played dead before as we know. I am quite intigued as to how this one turns out.
My brain scream agreement with this, and you are right Djoko looks way out of sorts compared to normal, he has had another easy route to a final and were it not for Verdasco having the contents of his bowels fall out Novak would be out.
Take a look at Andy and at Novak currently and everything points to Andy winning and without to much drama.....but this is Novak Djokovic and the ****** has played dead before as we know. I am quite intigued as to how this one turns out.
Andy all the way no bleeping fear of him loosing to Novak the bleeeeeep.
:whistle:
Golden Lady
07-01-2017, 07:58
Andy just needs to keep calm and play his tremendous game. I believe he will be too much for Novak to handle.
Andy looks the picture of health right now (everything crossed as I write that) and Novak looks a shadow of his former self, both physically and mentally. Worry about his weight loss. Should be an interesting match with the right result for us!
Thought Andy played much better tennis against Berdy. One thing Nole will know is that if he is to get the W he's going to have to BEAT Andy. There's no way Andy's "doing a Verdasco"!
GOOOO ANDEEEE!!!
mickeypops
07-01-2017, 10:14
What a dream final for the tournament organisers! It must be quite rare for an ATP250 event to have a final featuring the numbers 1 and 2 in the world.
Djokovic has the ability to raise his game for finals and especially matches against Andy, so I wouldn't be suprised if this was really close. It's certainly interesting to see them clash in a final this early in the year. Maybe a sign of things to come...
:knight: Play well and win Andy!! All the best :GBflag:
Very best of luck Andy. :yahoo: :yahoo:
From the snippet of his post match interview that they showed on the news this morning, it would seem that Andy is concentrating more on readying his game for the Oz Open than on winning the tournament. Of course, I may well have misinterpreted that - it was only a very small snippet from a much lengthier interview. I really hope he goes all out for the win today. Another win against Djoko at this stage would be so good for Andy's confidence, never mind what it might do to Djoko's mental state.
All the very best of luck Andy :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Josephine
07-01-2017, 13:07
From the snippet of his post match interview that they showed on the news this morning, it would seem that Andy is concentrating more on readying his game for the Oz Open than on winning the tournament. Of course, I may well have misinterpreted that - it was only a very small snippet from a much lengthier interview. I really hope he goes all out for the win today. Another win against Djoko at this stage would be so good for Andy's confidence, never mind what it might do to Djoko's mental state.
He always talks about preparing for Oz Open at this time. Depending where he is, saying it is the best prep! (i.e. when at Hopman Cup says it is good to get used to playing in hot conditions as opposed to, for example, playing in Doha where it is quite cold in the evening!)
Sure he wants to win Doha.
Yes I didn't think he was particularly emphasising the preparation. He was contrasting end of year state of mind.......get the win.....versus start of year state of mind........where is my game at going forward? I feel this match is HUGE for both of them. Maybe more so Andy. He really can't afford to lose from a mental point of view going into the Oz Open, especially having come off second best there in the final 5 times and, importantly, 4 of those times to Nole. I fear a loss today could be very damaging.
Yes I didn't think he was particularly emphasising the preparation. He was contrasting end of year state of mind.......get the win.....versus start of year state of mind........where is my game at going forward? I feel this match is HUGE for both of them. Maybe more so Andy. He really can't afford to lose from a mental point of view going into the Oz Open, especially having come off second best there in the final 5 times and, importantly, 4 of those times to Nole. I fear a loss today could be very damaging.
sorry cant disagree more, be nice to win to keep the streak going but part of me thinks longer that gos on the more pressure andy will put on himself to keep it up it might be for the best to go into aus with a clean slate and lowered expectations a win today and all the talk will be of andy being the favorite. either man can lose today and dont think it will impact the slightest thier respective chances come aus open
I remember a few years ago punters were saying that 'the big two' would end up being Andy and Nole. And so it has come to pass.........
Go go go OUR MAN!
sorry cant disagree more, be nice to win to keep the streak going but part of me thinks longer that gos on the more pressure andy will put on himself to keep it up it might be for the best to go into aus with a clean slate and lowered expectations a win today and all the talk will be of andy being the favorite. either man can lose today and dont think it will impact the slightest thier respective chances come aus openCouldn't disagree more...
When you've got a man down, keep one foot on his throat and kick him with the other!
Couldn't disagree more...
When you've got a man down, keep one foot on his throat and kick him with the other!yup agree with that, but if he beets andy today dosnt mean the roles are suddenly reveresed
May have to wuss out of this one. Am recording it, and hope to watch it later.
yup agree with that, but if he beets andy today dosnt mean the roles are suddenly reveresed
No but it would be a very swift reversal of fortunes/positions. Easy for folk to say Nole is back and Andy was a 5 minute wonder. Think Andy needs to press the point for a while longer before showing anything that could be interpreted as weakness.
Rosalind
07-01-2017, 15:07
Here we go again. Hope it's a smooth ride a la O2
A great reception for Andy! :clap:
banskogirl
07-01-2017, 15:09
Only in the door! Missed the FTM not a good start! Really wanting Andy to win this.........Agree totally Hawkeye! :) even the throat bit :)
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 15:12
Muller him, Andy! :superman:
Also agree with every word of Hawky's post. Keep him down Andy, crush him! Andy's got a lot of pride and will do just that and show he is the man now :thumbup:
"So much of Andy Murray's career has been frustration..." The pillock Reed, Simon. :rolleyes:
Bit of an error strewn game to start. 0-1
Not a straightforward first game for Nole.
got distracted feeding chickens missed first game
Good hold given only 2 first serves one of which he lost. 1-1
little glimmer
cmonnnnnnn
Which I wasn't feeling so anxious so early on.
had nole on a string
deuce
cmonnnnnnn
banskogirl
07-01-2017, 15:38
what? seriously Nole?
20 minutes for 3 games. 1-2
HOLD AND KEEP PRESSURING HIS SERVE
cmonnnnnnn
A pity he couldn't convert that bp. Never mind - safe hold and try again.
david1610
07-01-2017, 15:39
Well, Andy more consistent perhaps but the first break is going to be so important. C'mon Andy!
scrapaddict
07-01-2017, 15:40
so he's got a slight finger problem???To be fair I don't suppose he would really have wanted to disrupt his own serve!
Novak saves a break point, 1 - 2.
banskogirl
07-01-2017, 15:43
I wonder if Nole takes his physio with him when he goes shopping? If not, how does he cope?
STRONG HOLD
2-2
cmonnnnnnn
Good game from Djoko. Why am I not surprised that he's playing better than he has done all week?
Andy looking the more rattled of the two at the moment.
banskogirl
07-01-2017, 15:50
Good game from Djoko. Why am I not surprised that he's playing better than he has done all week?
Needs must.........
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 15:51
Good game from Djoko. Why am I not surprised that he's playing better than he has done all week?
But that's what players are meant to do - i.e. peak at the right time. As Andy will too. Go Andy! :cheer:
But that's what players are meant to do - i.e. peak at the right time. As Andy will too. Go Andy! :cheer:
That's why I said I wasn't surprised. ;)
JAMES4578
07-01-2017, 15:53
Both players playing pretty well and Djokovic seems focused, Andy's just got to keep strong in the key moments and go for it when real opportunities arise.
Sallydaisy
07-01-2017, 15:55
What a dropper! ADV
Not very often we use that phrase in an Andy Murray match ...
;)
good hold in the end
cmonnnnnnn
dewster99
07-01-2017, 15:55
great hold! Awesome slice/drop as well
Well held our man. Djoko more focused than he's been for months I think. Just off to walk the dogs before the light goes.
supergran
07-01-2017, 15:57
Come on Andy!!!!!!
Djokovic serving at 80%. 3-4
Was that his box or Andy's box Djokovic aimed the ball at?
supergran
07-01-2017, 16:00
Would love Andy to get the break before Ieave for hospital which will be fairly soon. Come on Champ!!
lovetennis
07-01-2017, 16:00
This is going to be a battle. Go go Andy :knight::knight:
Josephine
07-01-2017, 16:01
Djokovic playing a LOT better than he did in London. Totally different attitude and play.
Come on Andy!!
Rosalind
07-01-2017, 16:01
Let's hope that paper cut on his thumb really starts to give some grief now!
Aargh that 1-2 at 30-0. 3-5
david1610
07-01-2017, 16:05
Different Nole now.
Pity. Because this could be one of those sets where one bad game loses it.
C'mon Andy!
scrapaddict
07-01-2017, 16:05
Focus Andy.......................
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:05
andy knew how big that miss was at 40-15 and so it proved
greatunclebulgaria
07-01-2017, 16:06
Where the heck did that come from
Oh dear, not a happy bunny....
Djokovic playing well. Three sets it is. 3-6
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:08
too good
gotta do it the hard way in three
cmonnnnnnn
JAMES4578
07-01-2017, 16:08
A few careless errors,though Djokovic certainly tougher opponent today and first set gone, come on Andy! Never mind about the history of this match up!
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 16:09
Argh - break from nowhere - one bad point. But more than anything it is mental fortitude that makes no 1s - Andy will give his all and fire back in this match!
Time to break that first set jinx.
First :nailbiter: in ages.
Novak wins the first set 6 - 3.
Now then. Start again. Set 2.
Time to break that first set jinx.
Yes - there's a first time for everything.
lovetennis
07-01-2017, 16:10
Cimon Andy re-focus and get back onto him :knight::knight:
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:11
those stats are telling. 81% first serve and 100% 2nd serve points won for Nole
Josephine
07-01-2017, 16:11
Andy has spent so much of this week defending. So hard to attack now. Djoko playing much better than before. Being objective Djoko deserved that set.
COME ON ANDY!!
ACE & some good attack from Andy. 1-0
beginning of the recovery
cmonnnnnnn
Nice response and always feel better when Andy's serving first.
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 16:15
Andy has spent so much of this week defending. So hard to attack now.
It's Andy's first serve percentage that's making it hard to attack now. Not terrible, but not good enough at the minute to play front foot tennis. If he can raise that, shorten the points at net when he wants, he's in business :thumbup:
first point of nole serve for a while
cmonnnnnnn
Djokovic continues to serve well. 1-1
keeping it close for now will do
cmonnnnnnn
Andy looking a little sharper?
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 16:20
Simon Reed just gets more ridiculous. Of Djokovic 'he's so reliable overhead'. :facepalm:
Mon Andy :cheer:
Glad he's going into the net more :thumbup:
Anything you can do......
Nole supremely confident now.
Damn - that wasn't the score that I wanted to come back to.
That camera position really works. :rolleyes: 15-15
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 16:29
Sweeet net play from Andy! :clap:
Good hold. I hope UA do something about those pockets before AO. 3-2
david1610
07-01-2017, 16:31
Good time for a break methinks. C'mon Andy!
I wonder how many pages Andy's notes on Novak run to. ;)
strong hold
now if you could just make some in roads into noles serve
cmonnnnnnn
little glimmer
cmonnnnnnn
david1610
07-01-2017, 16:34
Agree with commie. Andy definitely trying to hit the ball harder. C'mon Andy!
ANOTHER GLIMMER
cmonnnnnnn
Here we go - Djoko doing his dying duck act.
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:39
got to make that return
BIT OF LUCK TO GLIMMER AGAIN
cmonnnnnnn
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:40
great defence nole, lucky andy
Djokovic painting the lines, small margins. 3-3
PUSHED HIM ALL THE WAY
HOLD AND GO AGAIN
cmonnnnnnn
Josephine
07-01-2017, 16:42
That's a game Andy should have taken.
Some of Nole's supporters obnoxious. Please shut them up Andy!!;)
RosieBear
07-01-2017, 16:43
Nothing beats watching these 2 guys. What a scrap! Unlike previous encounters Andy believes he can still win this despite first set loss. I believe too. C'mon - let's gooo Andy, you can do it! :superman:
Into the net goes Andy. On to the floor goes Nole.
JAMES4578
07-01-2017, 16:43
Another chance goes begging,though to be fair Djokovic hung tough for the most part whatever we may think of the antics -need to convert soon though-come on!
Some of Nole's supporters obnoxious. Please shut them up Andy!!;)
It sounds as though most of them are kids.
scrapaddict
07-01-2017, 16:43
up to is tricks again - not hurt at all!
Df - Andy can't afford to give him gifts.
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:45
This is looking like the old nole
It sounds as though most of them are kids.
don't come more obnoxious than entitled little rich kids ;)
It looks like Andy suffered the concussion. 3-4
Here we go :nailbiter: C'mon Andeeeeee!!!
gotta break him straight back
cmonnnnnnn
up to is tricks again - not hurt at all!
Andy always gets put off when Nole acts up. He knows that it happens and can't do anything about it.
2 dfs in one game - Oh Andy!:crying:
About Djokovic hitting a ball into the crowd in the first set.
@gasparlanca Gaspar Ribeiro Lança
TennisTV asked, lady said she was hit. According to the rules Djokovic should have been disqualified. Not the first time this happens.
JAMES4578
07-01-2017, 16:49
Fine margins but Andy not quite finding top form when it counts-frustrating to drop serve on a double and with it all to do!
dewster99
07-01-2017, 16:50
in fairness I've done that before on court. Carried on but took a few games to be able to move properly after. Didn't seem to hamper Nole
JAMES4578
07-01-2017, 16:55
Fine margins but Andy not quite finding top form when it counts-frustrating to drop serve on a double and with it all to do!
Miles maclaghan(spelling) said he should definitely have been and if it had been anyone else they would have been. This is the third time he has got away with throwing his racket dangerously. Rome, Roland Farris and now Doha. One day they will be brave enough to stick to the rule. Tim Henman was disqualified for the same offence. Tennis needs a shake up.
Great match where there was no more than a cigarette paper between themf (my OH's quote). In spite of Andy's loss the match wash great to watch with some of the highest quality tennis I have ever seen especially from Andy. Breathtakingly shots. Onwards and upwards
It seems we are back - but it says the last post on this thread was by rimarli at 06:58 this morning whereas the last one I can see is by James at 16:55 yesterday :confused:
And I can't see the post that I just made, either! Although I can see this one - how strange.
I had problems with the website as well, yesterday. During the latter stages of the match, I couldn't get back on it.
Since Andy won the World Tour Finals and Novak won yesterday, does this mean Andy will finally win the Aussie Open if they play each other in the final?
jackie55
08-01-2017, 08:15
It seems we are back - but it says the last post on this thread was by rimarli at 06:58 this morning whereas the last one I can see is by James at 16:55 yesterday :confused:
Not sure, what happened l couldn't get on the forum from about 4.30pm yesterday, just when l needed it most in the middle of Andy's match :crying::crying:
Looks like it was the same for everyone else:grrr:
It was doubly frustrating - Andy losing and not being able to get on here to share our frustrations! :grrr: It was a fantastic match though, wasn't it? The standard of tennis from both of them was absolutely amazing - they certainly are head and shoulders above everyone else when they are both playing well. It would have been great if Andy had saved the match points to come back and win but I don't think it will count for much in the long run. Perhaps J is right and Andy losing will take the pressure off him going into Oz. Knowing what we do about Andy, it may well make him even more determined. I agree with Miles though, Djoko should have been defaulted.:angry:
Fed up about it (more because of this stinking virus I have than the actual loss), but because he is back to his mind games, dodgy MTO's, and not receiving an instant disqualification for something any journeyman player would have been disqualified for. Feel like a toddler stamping their feet and screaming "it's not fair....!!!".
On the positives by reaching the final he has increased the gap between him and the charmless nerk.
RosieBear
08-01-2017, 08:51
A high quality match and enjoyable from that perspective but both players had their pride on the line and the loss is going to sting Andy.:sad: I'm slightly concerned that the two factors that gave Nole the edge in 2014-15, namely a slightly more consistent serve and crucially more ability/belief to take the big points, are still present, but think we will learn more if they play at Aus so will reserve judgement until then. Always look for positives and they are that Andy has got a lot of pride and will use the hurt from this loss to come back harder, and that Ivan will be in Aus and Andy draws a lot of belief from his presence. I still feel great for Andy's Aussie chances and that this is his year :thumbup:
The entertainment yesterday was incredible, favourite way to spend a weekend afternoon so thanks for the fun of another thriller final Andy :thanks:
Edit: and I hate to disappoint people but the loss doesn't alleviate any pressure for Aus, (if anything it adds more) - but nor should it - relentless pressure comes with the territory of being no 1. Andy's got to learn to eat it for breakfast as they say (as I am sure he will :thumbup:)
A magnificent match which reminded me of the 2012 Shanghai final. How fantastic was Andy from 3-5 down in the second set to win 4 straight games, save 3MPs and win the set. Andy could have lost the match 3-6 3-6 and that would have been concerning but he fought to the end and some of his retrieving was unbelievable. :worship: From his press conference.
“Obviously disappointed not to win tonight, but I played pretty good the last couple of the matches. I think physically it was a good test to start the year, and I did good there. My body feels all right just now, so that's positive. There are things I can do better. I wasn't that clinical on break points this week, which maybe that comes with playing a few more matches. That was the difference this evening, that's something I could definitely do a little bit better."
One highlight I liked was how 2 points after Djokovic had demanded crowd love, Andy mocked him by doing the same. :big grin:
I bet Nole was glad that match yesterday was not over 5 sets!! If it had I don't think he would have had a chance, so bring on AO! Really good match, very high level and worthy of the #'s 1 and 2. Whilst I hated for Andy not to win, not too despondent. Some very good positive signs....how Andy recovered to take set 2 and also I liked how they shared a joke at the net afterwards. If Andy can joke with Nole like that after a loss, perhaps Nole is not so bad after all!!:laugh: But :bravo: Andy! Great play.
Really missed all the chat, thoughts and opinions post match y'day! As I'm still away from home keeps me in touch!
RosieBear
08-01-2017, 09:23
A magnificent match which reminded me of the 2012 Shanghai final. How fantastic was Andy from 3-5 down in the second set to win 4 straight games, save 3MPs and win the set. Andy could have lost the match 3-6 3-6 and that would have been concerning but he fought to the end and some of his retrieving was unbelievable. :worship: From his press conference.
One highlight I liked was how 2 points after Djokovic had demanded crowd love, Andy mocked him by doing the same. :big grin:
Thanks for posting Andy's press conference, B - makes me feel better. As per my previous post, I agree with Andy's assessment that he wasn't clinical on the big points, but very good to read that he attributes it to a lack of matches rather than a lack of confidence/belief. Something that will be rectified by the Aus final, should they meet again :thumbup:
Not sure if Àndy was mocking Nole so much as pointing out he's not the only one who's loved.
I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed this match despite the outcome. The fact that it was nip and tuck and just a few points/bit of luck here and there that decided the winner has made me less anxious about the psychological impact on Andy. Had he lost in 2 sets I'd have been very concerned but they both put everything out there and it's clear that anything could happen in future encounters. This was no drubbing. I also think, for good or ill from our perspective, that this match may just have rekindled Nole's love of the game. Personal matters apart, it must be difficult, eventually, to get yourself up for matches when, for along period of time, you feel there's no real challenge.
Really great tennis yesterday but so frustrating not to be able to share the pressure moments. I've only just been able to log in. Being an insomniac, i even tried in the middle of the night, to no avail. Roll on the Aussie Open, great preparation.
Oh.....and I wouldn't have wanted Andy to win by Nole being defaulted even if that's what should've happened.
Oh.....and I wouldn't have wanted Andy to win by Nole being defaulted even if that's what should've happened.
Absolutely agree there. Nor would Andy have wanted to win by default either.
Nick Kyrgios's comment on Djokovic hitting a ball into the crowd. :big grin:
Nicholas Kyrgios @NickKyrgios
I would've been defaulted and suspended until 2025 :big grin:
He's not wrong. He's now receiving a tsunami of hate from Nolefam.
Josephine
08-01-2017, 09:52
So glad that Andy managed that magnificent fightback in 2nd set and wasn't defeated tamely. It was a close match but I did feel that was the first time Andy was consistently aggressive.
Seemed to spend most of the week watching Andy run along the baseline defending or throwing up lobs ;) but against Djoko serving like he was, that was just not quite good enough. I know Andy will improve a bit for Oz Open and have Ivan with him so hopefully will play better.
Not madly disappointed, but a bit. Djokovic is now saying he has got back his lost confidence and in a way that is all he was missing, so I think that is a bit concerning.
Fox Sports (http://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/novak-djokovic-apologises-for-hitting-a-spectator-with-a-ball-and-accepts-fine-after-qatar-final-victory/news-story/4091f7131ceef62aeee56443bf64103c) - Novak Djokovic apologises for hitting a spectator with a ball and accepts fine after Qatar final victory
“I definitely didn’t want to hit the ball at anybody. Just happened,” he said.
“Fortunate not to get a bigger fine.
“On the other hand, unfortunate to actually have that incident happen. I have to be more careful I guess in the future.”
Djokovic said he did not see the ball hit the spectator but would “pay my consequences for that.”
“I accept that I made a mistake,” he said.
“It was not intentional at all. Of course people get hit, especially in the first rows, from big serves and so forth.
“It happens. It’s not the first time. This is something that definitely cannot happen, I mean, from my side. I accept the consequence, absolutely.”
lovetennis
08-01-2017, 10:09
Back on the forum and feeling a bit deflated if I am honest. Won't repeat what others have already posted but really wanted Andy to stamp his authority on Djok.On the positive side I felt Andy's belief and confidence was a lot stronger against Djok than it used to be, his 2nd set comeback showed that. It really was a fabulous quality match and barely a hair's breadth between them.
Regarding Djok's behaviour, well yes he should have been defaulted. I thought the gamesmanship (with strategic MTOs and unspecified physical issues that quickly disappear) had lessened in the last couple of years but we saw some reappearance of those tactics yesterday. Did he really need to stop the game at 30-30 to have the thumb attended to? Other players would have waited until the changeover. The bumped head really did happen as the replay showed but think he made a meal of it and got the break. Same with the sore foot in the 3rd set. At least Andy didn't get riled with himself for falling for it, but a break in concentration had been achieved and Andy paid the price. I do think he's getting better at handling Djok's mind games, as his geeing up the crowd like Djok did showed. It just frustrates me that Djok does these things, plus the revolting boob thrust of course. No sign of the guru yesterday btw
Anyway onto the AO, as others have said a match over 5 sets will be very interesting. Still lots to be positive about for Andy. I wonder if Djok might struggle in the early rounds as he hadn't set the world on fire in Doha in the earlier rounds.
Nick Kyrgios's comment on Djokovic hitting a ball into the crowd. :big grin:
He's not wrong. He's now receiving a tsunami of hate from Nolefam.
Nick is absolutely right - in all probability he would have been disqualified. There seems to be one rule for some and another rule for others. I certainly wouldn't have been weeping if Djoko had been defaulted. His antics on the court - particularly against Andy - annoy me intensely.
WimbledonWestie
08-01-2017, 10:25
A very enjoyable tennis match, especially for neutrals. Disappointed Andy lostt but much as we would love it he won't win all his matches v Novak so maybe the wins are being saved for greater things! And I'm sure he will use the loss to work on improvements for Oz. I will be curious to see how Novak copes in the heat over 5 sets (unless he gets all the night matches)
JAMES4578
08-01-2017, 11:27
The forum certainly went down at an inopportune time,at end of 2nd and sure we would've had so much to say. It was an enjoyable match with so much quality tennis,even if the end result was disappointing. A tremendous fightback from Andy in saving the 3 match points and then seemingly having the momentum in the 3rd. However once he missed the bp was an uphill task,though half chances in the final game. Overall his conversion rate just wasn't quite good enough and some crucial errors at important times, also needed stronger serve on occasions. Must be said we seen some of the questionable antics from Nole again which can really rile,though Murray has to find a way to deal with it. However he still game mighty close in the end and the mental toughness displayed in extending the match certainly provides encouragement. Sure he can find another gear for Oz though Djokovic can also step up.
A high quality match and enjoyable from that perspective but both players had their pride on the line and the loss is going to sting Andy.:sad: I'm slightly concerned that the two factors that gave Nole the edge in 2014-15, namely a slightly more consistent serve and crucially more ability/belief to take the big points, are still present, but think we will learn more if they play at Aus so will reserve judgement until then. Always look for positives and they are that Andy has got a lot of pride and will use the hurt from this loss to come back harder, and that Ivan will be in Aus and Andy draws a lot of belief from his presence. I still feel great for Andy's Aussie chances and that this is his year :thumbup:
The entertainment yesterday was incredible, favourite way to spend a weekend afternoon so thanks for the fun of another thriller final Andy :thanks:
Edit: and I hate to disappoint people but the loss doesn't alleviate any pressure for Aus, (if anything it adds more) - but nor should it - relentless pressure comes with the territory of being no 1. Andy's got to learn to eat it for breakfast as they say (as I am sure he will :thumbup:)
I don't think J was talking about the pressure of being number one but rather about the pressure of keeping the winning streak going and being the hot favourite going into Oz. I don't think being number one makes very much difference to the pressure on Andy honestly - he has said several times that he doesn't find it any different to being number two.
Anyway onto the AO, as others have said a match over 5 sets will be very interesting. Still lots to be positive about for Andy. I wonder if Djok might struggle in the early rounds as he hadn't set the world on fire in Doha in the earlier rounds.
Or just give him 2 more sets to play his silly................
Josephine
08-01-2017, 13:16
Djoko can get back to No 1 if he wins in Oz and Andy goes out before semis, not impossible with Fed and Rafa lurking in the draw. That is much closer than I realised.
Know Djoko still has a lot of points to defend but he has won many tournies in a row before.
Such a shame Verdasco cracked up on all those match points as that would have meant a bigger points difference and Djoko's confidence still shaky instead of sky high again.
A very enjoyable tennis match, especially for neutrals. Disappointed Andy lostt but much as we would love it he won't win all his matches v Novak so maybe the wins are being saved for greater things! And I'm sure he will use the loss to work on improvements for Oz. I will be curious to see how Novak copes in the heat over 5 sets (unless he gets all the night matches)
Perhaps he'll pack all his heat up in his boob thrust's and throw/hit THAT at the spectators?
(Certainly cheaper for him than balls)
Or call for more mto's so he can have more time with the ice pack around his neck.
Josephine
08-01-2017, 13:31
Novak will be back using the Egg and will be more than fine with that dubious advantage.
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2017-01-07/24994.php
mickeypops
08-01-2017, 13:40
Great match, shame about the result. I heard one of the comms state that this was Andy's 112th consecutive match where he has broken serve at least once. Now that is truly awesome!
david1610
08-01-2017, 13:58
Mmm... agree with many comments though here are some more!
1. Blood is blood is blood in sport. Match stops until it is dealt with. Umpire was very quick to tell Andy it was bleeding.
2. That will do a lot for Nole's confidence.
3. So pleased Andy broke - what did the commies say, 112th match in a row he has broken his opponent's serve? Would not have been good for the confidence if Nole had broken that run.
4. In the second half of the second set Andy was aggressive in an awesome manner. It was not that he hit every ball as a winner, but he hit every ball for a few games wanting to be in charge of the point. That was some of the best controlled aggression I have ever seen Andy play and that was his best period of the match.
5. As soon as that disappeared and Nole cut down his UEs, they were matched but Andy struggled to put away chances.
6. Andy still has a couple of steps to take to be sure of at least winning half of their encounters IMHO.
7. Point 6 is far more important in terms of winning grand slams this year than Nole's antics. They are a useful cathartic distraction between tournaments but it is those key steps which hopefully he and Jamie and Ivan can find :)
So good to be back on here - really missed sharing the end of that match.
It was gripping stuff. Very little to choose between them other than what others have already said.
I was so pleased to see the nice exchange and smiles between them at the net.
Nole can have that one; the AO is Andy's!!
Mmm... agree with many comments though here are some more!
1. Blood is blood is blood in sport. Match stops until it is dealt with. Umpire was very quick to tell Andy it was bleeding.
2. That will do a lot for Nole's confidence.
3. So pleased Andy broke - what did the commies say, 112th match in a row he has broken his opponent's serve? Would not have been good for the confidence if Nole had broken that run.
4. In the second half of the second set Andy was aggressive in an awesome manner. It was not that he hit every ball as a winner, but he hit every ball for a few games wanting to be in charge of the point. That was some of the best controlled aggression I have ever seen Andy play and that was his best period of the match.
5. As soon as that disappeared and Nole cut down his UEs, they were matched but Andy struggled to put away chances.
6. Andy still has a couple of steps to take to be sure of at least winning half of their encounters IMHO.
7. Point 6 is far more important in terms of winning grand slams this year than Nole's antics. They are a useful cathartic distraction between tournaments but it is those key steps which hopefully he and Jamie and Ivan can find :)
Take everything on board and agree with all except 1
Yes rules are rules but the bleeding started early in the 1st set had to be attended to on more
than one occasion, would it have been the same at 40-15 not 30 all? Hmmmmm
What ever they did on court to sort it should have been done before the start.
I don't believe this is what caused the loss, Andy needs to play it his absolute best to beat Nole at his.
But if Joker wants the love of all? Which it seems that's the case then he could learn a thing or two
from Andy. As despite a lot of earlier hatred from even closer to home GB. (Mostly down to
the gutter press trying to sell papers knowing full well they misreped the actual words in the interview.)
Through genuine hard work and grim determination (no game playing) he has won a lot of those earlier haters hearts.
Remember this and the ripping of the glove that robbed our Henry of a world heavy weight title?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frn3rTj5DOY
It's just the same in my eye's. I detest it and it shouldn't happen.
But if he can live with it?
Sweet dreams Joker.
Apparently the exchange at the net at the end of the match was along the lines of:
Andy: "How crazy was that? Huh!"
A giggly Novak: "I know, I know..."
Interesting but not significant is that whilst Andy has just arrived in Melbourne (from Jamie Delgado's twitter), Djokovic has returned home to Monte Carlo.
roytennisfan
08-01-2017, 20:29
Really had hoped after the second set, that Andy was going to defeat that elephant of never having won after losing the opening set
lovetennis
08-01-2017, 20:54
Take everything on board and agree with all except 1
Yes rules are rules but the bleeding started early in the 1st set had to be attended to on more
than one occasion, would it have been the same at 40-15 not 30 all? Hmmmmm
What ever they did on court to sort it should have been done before the start.
I don't believe this is what caused the loss, Andy needs to play it his absolute best to beat Nole at his.
But if Joker wants the love of all? Which it seems that's the case then he could learn a thing or two
from Andy. As despite a lot of earlier hatred from even closer to home GB. (Mostly down to
the gutter press trying to sell papers knowing full well they misreped the actual words in the interview.)
Through genuine hard work and grim determination (no game playing) he has won a lot of those earlier haters hearts.
Remember this and the ripping of the glove that robbed our Henry of a world heavy weight title?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frn3rTj5DOY
It's just the same in my eye's. I detest it and it shouldn't happen.
But if he can live with it?
Sweet dreams Joker.
I always love your posts Jagmad. This is very much my take on Djok too. I keep trying to like him more because he is undisputably one of the greats but then he does something to annoy me. As you say it just shouldn't happen
Really had hoped after the second set, that Andy was going to defeat that elephant of never having won after losing the opening set
Now the 1st set mto,s make more sense.:thanks::flowers:
:thumbup:
banskogirl
08-01-2017, 22:10
Oh.....and I wouldn't have wanted Andy to win by Nole being defaulted even if that's what should've happened.
Absolutely agree there. Nor would Andy have wanted to win by default either.
Do we really think Andy would mind winning legally and Nole , for once, getting what he deserved? Andy is always quite open when an issue is black and white, like Nick was, and in this case I think it should've happened.
It does seem a little odd to be halfway to oz and then return to Europe with the tournament only one week away. Perhaps Djokovic does not suffer from jetlag!!
Well played Andy! Onwards!! :knight:
You'll get him next time! :boogie: :boogie:
Absolutely brilliant match to watch! Disappointed of course but as others have said it was no mauling and I'd rather Andy lost this match than their next meeting if the seeding play out.
As for Novak's "antics" .... I am no Djokovic fan, let's make that clear but really, the obsession with his gamesmanship smacks of being a sore loser to me if I'm honest. I'm not denying his antics, far from it, but given how well they know each other, I don't think there was any impact on the outcome of the match. In the past, maybe, but he doesn't break any rules and it's up to his opponents to ignore it ... easier said than done admittedly but it's all part of sport. It's annoying yes, and there have been times when it's made me really cross ("netgate" for example which was poor sportsmanship rather than gamesmanship) but I've given up letting it rattle me.
I do agree that the ball hitting someone in the crowd would warrant a default but it may be that the umpire didn't see that at the time. I certainly didn't. However, I also agree with Nick that it does depend who you are. Having said that, would any of the top 4 have got the DQ? Doubtful.
Josephine
09-01-2017, 14:25
Quite. I think Djoko's fall did upset Andy's concentration as he then lost serve but he still won that set. And to be fair Djoko did bang his head on the ground.
Andy lost because Djokovic consistently played more aggresively and so was just stronger at the crunch point.
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
Novak Djokovic fined $2,500 for unsportsmanlike conduct after hitting a ball into the crowd during Saturday's final in Doha.
A Nolefam suggested Stu was being "calculated" for not saying the fine was also for the racquet abuse. :big grin: As if that was better. :facepalm: His response.
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
Djokovic did not receive a fine for the racket abuse.
Who had the Verdi Voodoo doll? :p
Apia Intl Sydney @SydneyTennis
Fernando Verdasco has withdrawn from singles due to fatigue. He is replaced in the draw by LL Santiago Giraldo #SydneyTennis
Suffering from brain freeze more like. ;) Poor lamb.
RosieBear
09-01-2017, 16:01
Absolutely brilliant match to watch! Disappointed of course but as others have said it was no mauling and I'd rather Andy lost this match than their next meeting if the seeding play out.
As for Novak's "antics" .... I am no Djokovic fan, let's make that clear but really, the obsession with his gamesmanship smacks of being a sore loser to me if I'm honest. I'm not denying his antics, far from it, but given how well they know each other, I don't think there was any impact on the outcome of the match. In the past, maybe, but he doesn't break any rules and it's up to his opponents to ignore it ... easier said than done admittedly but it's all part of sport. It's annoying yes, and there have been times when it's made me really cross ("netgate" for example which was poor sportsmanship rather than gamesmanship) but I've given up letting it rattle me.
I do agree that the ball hitting someone in the crowd would warrant a default but it may be that the umpire didn't see that at the time. I certainly didn't. However, I also agree with Nick that it does depend who you are. Having said that, would any of the top 4 have got the DQ? Doubtful.
Totally agree, Caro. Djoko's antics are bit irritating for sure, but nothing more than that. I'm sure Andy is not so thin-skinned that it gets to him in any meaningful way. Also, Novak behaves the same in all his encounters with Andy (remember mto before Andy served out uso 2012?) but the 'antics' only become a big deal when Andy loses.;)
Sorry to disagree but I think Djoko's antics are totally unforgivable for a player in his position. He wants to be loved and likes to be regarded as an ambassador for his sport and a role model for younger players. Huh! What message does his gamesmanship - because that's certainly what it is - give to younger players? Whether his antics are against the rules or not is neither here nor there - they are most definitely not in the spirit of the sport. They demean him and they demean the sport in my opinion. I agree that Andy should be used to it and just has to deal with it but the point is that he shouldn't have to. As for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd and getting away with a paltry fine - words fail me! :grrr: Rant over!
It does seem a little odd to be halfway to oz and then return to Europe with the tournament only one week away. Perhaps Djokovic does not suffer from jetlag!!
Well seemingly it WAS Christmas for Nole on finals day so maybe he's gone home to spend a little seasonal time with his young son. He has implied he's revising his priorities.
angiebabez
09-01-2017, 17:40
Methinks djoko is sly,sleekit, smug, smarmy. Bounces the ball for far too long & a big bit of an actor.
The idea of another year of Djokovic's antics are actually making me feel like cutting my loses. As Alis said above he might not be breaking any actual rules, but his behaviour can hardly be called sportsmanlike, and this is after all meant to be sport. I am fed up to the hind teeth of it.
I know exactly how you feel, Teresa, but don't let Djoko drive you away. We need you on here and Andy needs your support!
lovetennis
09-01-2017, 19:02
I am one of those bugged by Djokovic's antics though I have tried to not let it bother me, and in the past I think Andy was affected by it. What pleased me about this match was that Andy didn't get annoyed with himself about how to deal with it, but it is just the case that Djok is looking to break Andy's concentration or rhythm and it still did, though only very briefly. I think Andy is well on the way to dealing with it because he knows that it is what Djok does and of course there is no rule to prevent it so Andy is smart enough to know he has to find a way to deal with it. My main frustration with Djok is that it is bad sportsmanship and a player of his superb quality should have the class to be above such tactics.
Despite the gripes I do love their rivalry and no-one can deny the Doha final was a joy in terms of sheer top quality tennis. These two are now in a different league to anybody else and I include Fed and Nadal in that, as while I accept they will have matches where they play great tennis, I don't believe they can now maintain the level like Andy and Djok can. Roll on the nexr Andy-Djok final, Andy will be relishing the chance to get his revenge and so will I
RosieBear
09-01-2017, 19:10
Personally I like to see Djoko's ball bouncing - what a tell - he may as well paint "I am tight and nervous" on his own forehead.
Personally I like to see Djoko's ball bouncing - what a tell - he may as well paint "I am tight and nervous" on his own forehead.
Yes he's definitely regressed on the ball bouncing front since his drop in form. As you say RB he might as well have "tense" tattooed on his forehead.
Sorry to disagree but I think Djoko's antics are totally unforgivable for a player in his position. He wants to be loved and likes to be regarded as an ambassador for his sport and a role model for younger players. Huh! What message does his gamesmanship - because that's certainly what it is - give to younger players? Whether his antics are against the rules or not is neither here nor there - they are most definitely not in the spirit of the sport. They demean him and they demean the sport in my opinion. I agree that Andy should be used to it and just has to deal with it but the point is that he shouldn't have to. As for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd and getting away with a paltry fine - words fail me! :grrr: Rant over!
Well yes, it's not the best example to younger players but he's not the first and he won't be the last. Boris was a master at it and yet was loved by the public (I never liked him either). Personally I just don't like the fact it gets blamed for Andy losing ... I just don't believe that is the case.
You can't say Novak deliberately hit the ball into the crowd. He deliberately hit the ball in frustration but I'm sure he didn't mean to hit anyone. No excuse mind you.
Anyway, brilliant match and here's to many more in this rivalry. Those who call their matches boring (apparently some followers of the tennis podcast) need their heads examining! Here's to Andy turning the H2H on its head this year.
Josephine
11-01-2017, 17:23
I think I just need to work on my offensive game,' Murray said to The Times. 'Against Novak (in Qatar) I was actually pretty good when I started moving forward, dictated quite a few points, but not as much as I would have liked.
'I was maybe a little bit too far behind the baseline at times.'
Glad Andy agrees with my assessment! ;):thumbup:;)
RosieBear
11-01-2017, 18:45
I think I just need to work on my offensive game,' Murray said to The Times. 'Against Novak (in Qatar) I was actually pretty good when I started moving forward, dictated quite a few points, but not as much as I would have liked.
'I was maybe a little bit too far behind the baseline at times.'
Glad Andy agrees with my assessment! ;):thumbup:;)
Fabulous to read, thanks Josephine :thanks: Absolutely agree with this too - was imploring Andy to cut short the rallies and claim the net. When he upped his first serve percentage and came forward more in the 2nd set he was 12/12 net points won. Fantastic - what a difference. Andy's got the most amazing hands - why leave that kind of gold in the mine, young Andy???
banskogirl
11-01-2017, 18:52
Fabulous to read, thanks Josephine :thanks: Absolutely agree with this too - was imploring Andy to cut short the rallies and claim the net. When he upped his first serve percentage and came forward more in the 2nd set he was 12/12 net points won. Fantastic - what a difference. Andy's got the most amazing hands - why leave that kind of gold in the mine, young Andy???
Yes thanks Josephine :) my only words to hubby when Andy lost were that he needed to come in more.
Guerkins2
11-01-2017, 22:51
I think I just need to work on my offensive game,' Murray said to The Times. 'Against Novak (in Qatar) I was actually pretty good when I started moving forward, dictated quite a few points, but not as much as I would have liked.
'I was maybe a little bit too far behind the baseline at times.'
Glad Andy agrees with my assessment! ;):thumbup:;)
And mine! I kept shouting at the TV.........you're too far behind the baseline ;)
Yup I spend a lot of time and voice shouting at him to get to the net. He HAS got great hands but IMHO his weakness lies in his choice of when/when not to come in and THAT is because he doesn't do it often enough for it to become second nature and feel truly comfortable.
And mine! I kept shouting at the TV.........you're too far behind the baseline ;)
So did I! Kept shouting “Into the net Andy, into the net!” over and over again!
Methinks djoko is sly,sleekit, smug, smarmy. Bounces the ball for far too long & a big bit of an actor.
Don't forget needy, childish, chancer and not to be trusted.;)
I feel sorry for his wife.:whistle:
Sorry to disagree but I think Djoko's antics are totally unforgivable for a player in his position. He wants to be loved and likes to be regarded as an ambassador for his sport and a role model for younger players. Huh! What message does his gamesmanship - because that's certainly what it is - give to younger players? Whether his antics are against the rules or not is neither here nor there - they are most definitely not in the spirit of the sport. They demean him and they demean the sport in my opinion. I agree that Andy should be used to it and just has to deal with it but the point is that he shouldn't have to. As for deliberately hitting the ball into the crowd and getting away with a paltry fine - words fail me! :grrr: Rant over!
+1
I go from P****d off, through to laughing at him in no more than 1 minute.
The words Child - Playground come to mind.
Although I think as the wonderful RB, said...
"I'm sure Andy is not so thin-skinned that it gets to him in any meaningful way."
It's mind over matter really, if Andy don't mind then it won't matter.
£1 to a pinch of salt Ivan et all have already broached the subject.
So Andy will probably just laugh at him next time. Well I hope he does anyway.;)
As for the broader side if it:
I believe anyone who feels strongly about our beautiful sport should feel something close to how Teresa does saying...
"The idea of another year of Djokovic's antics are actually making me feel like cutting my loses. As Alis said above he might not be breaking any actual rules, but his behaviour can hardly be called sportsmanlike, and this is after all meant to be sport. I am fed up to the hind teeth of it."
As my mum used to say: (God rest her soul) Sorry that hurt but I had to discipline you, not that what you did was really bad but it's a slippery slope.
"An avalanche can start from the smallest snow ball" So lets sort out the snow ball cos no one's gonna fancy tackling the avalanche.
A pet shop boys track comes to mind actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H08XR7HClh8
So maybe we should all just laugh at him eh Teresa?
If any of you are running out of insults for him, you could try this . . . http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html :rolling:
If any of you are running out of insults for him, you could try this . . . http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Funny-pages/shakespeare-insult-kit.html :rolling:
Well I've read the lot and:
Don't see Bad mannered, Narcissistic, friend of an Adulterer, any where.
There a few there that fit the bill though. 'Thou mewling, milk-livered, minnow' isn't bad!;) Might be fun to see who can come up with this best three from the list!
goatish
flap-mouthed
hugger-mugger
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