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The Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:
Oh boy , love Popsi , but go Andy !!!!!!
10 pm for me
company coming for dinner , then tennis later , a great Saturday night LOL
I am going to have to be very disciplined this week and watch the replay of Andy's (night) matches in the morning. I am going to Amsterdam (family treat) early on Thurs morn for the rest of the weekend :excited: and don't want to arrive there totally sleep deprived! Hope there is good wifi so I can keep in touch with the tennis! So I will be avoiding contact with the outside world until after I have caught up with any night matches I may have missed! All the very best Andy! :GBflag: I don't think this surface is as fast as Ottawa was (?) so perhaps won't suit Pospisil so well.
roytennisfan
11-03-2017, 20:52
I am not staying up since i'm on train then out tomorrow evening in London, so put in a good one Andy, no messing around, a solid win in straight sets please
themass15
11-03-2017, 20:53
I won't be able to watch a lot this week either as off to Lanzarote for 11 nights on Thursday. Have to get up 4 a.m. that day and only Sky Sports 1/2 where we stay, so only likely to watch final as will be out next Saturday.
Hope this will be available on tennistv when I get up tomorrow!
banskogirl
11-03-2017, 22:16
A quick Andy please!
Not that I'll get to see any of these matches, they're not on any of the channels we get. Still the quicker Andy wins the more energy he'll have for the rest.
Pospisil going for the hat trick of wins against GB's 1-2-3. ;) You'd think there couldn't be more of a contrast than the lightning fast ice of Ottawa and the mud of Indian Wells.
Sallydaisy
11-03-2017, 23:25
Can't stay up for this - Good Luck Muzzah!
All the very best of luck, Andy :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Josephine
12-03-2017, 00:41
Good luck Andy!
Qualifier Dusan Lajovic awaits the winner of this match. He beat Lopez 6-2 4-6 7-6(2).
Andy wearing burgundy again and don't know if he won the toss but he's serving first.
Andy wearing that lovely red shirt!!:thumbup:...Snap Bardot!......even better... trainers to match :thumbup:
themass15
12-03-2017, 03:12
Here we go. Pospi looks ready. Never seen Andy in red before.
Andy saves 3BPs & holds. 1-0
supergran
12-03-2017, 03:19
First game eventually. Come on Champ.
"King of the Lobs" ;). 30-0
I love watching these 2 play each other !!!
May the best man win ( GO Andy ) hehe
Holds to love although not serving at full tilt. 2-1
supergran
12-03-2017, 03:30
Break!!
Andy saves 1BP but not the second. 3-2
supergran
12-03-2017, 03:36
Oh sugar..Break back.
themass15
12-03-2017, 03:40
Remembered what I didn't like about Popsi from before; that shouting.
Pospisil misses on the 3rd BP. 4-2
Let's all break together. 4-3
david1610
12-03-2017, 03:45
Oops break back! Morning everybody! C'mon Andy!
Oh dear. Not good so far. Good morning folks.
Pospisil holds with an ace. 4-4
supergran
12-03-2017, 03:52
Come on ANDY!!!! Pospisil very determined.
Racking up the DFs and Andy is broken. 4-5
themass15
12-03-2017, 03:54
Why did I have the feeling this would happen tonight
On a scale of 0 to 1, how much does Andy hate Indian Wells? :rolleyes:
david1610
12-03-2017, 03:54
Pospisil playing like a man possessed.
Regroup. C'mon Andy!
Oh dear - just got up in time to see Andy get broken.
themass15
12-03-2017, 03:56
Just seen something saying Andy needs op on his wrist. Is this true?
themass15
12-03-2017, 03:57
Oh dear - just got up in time to see Andy get broken.
Unfortunately, he's been broken a few times.
Gulp and after all that "easy draw" talk. 4-6
Okay, that's only the first set - c'mon Andy!
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:03
Next two points please. C'mon Andy!
Pospisil is a man on a mission.
There has to be something wrong?
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:05
Not liking this at the moment but still sitting calmly. Come on Andy!
Oh dear common Andy. Pospisil just seems to be one step ahead at the moment. ...and another break! He seemed to be shaking his arm a lot in the doubles. Is there a problem or have I missed it earlier in this thread?
This is Pospisil's 5th match in Indian Wells he loves it here, just going for everything. 0-2
Andy certainly doesn't seem to be firing on all cylinders.
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:09
He has won the last six games. C'mon Andy!
................ and another double fault - c'mon.
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:11
I'm getting worried now.
Saves 2BPs, good hold. 1-2
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:14
Saves the double break. Now c'mon Andy!
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:14
thank goodness for a game!!
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:17
Keep seeing reports about Andy having a problem with his wrist. Does anyone know anything?
Good man, pressure pays. 2-2
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:19
2-2 Massive game now.
C'mon Andy!
There's the break back. Now c'mon, Andy - an easy hold pleeease.
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:20
phew - now hold Andy
Keep seeing reports about Andy having a problem with his wrist. Does anyone know anything?
The only thing I have heard is that he was shaking his wrist out a lot in the doubles.
Okay - I'm breathing again ......... just!
Hopefully a few more aces to come
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:24
Surely if he hs a wrist problem he wouldn't be exacerbating it by playing??
Good lad, says she who is hiding through the scores on here:-)
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:25
I'm very relaxed, sitting with my feet up. Keep the faith.
Surely if he hs a wrist problem he wouldn't be exacerbating it by playing??
That's what I would have thought. He knows how serious they can be.
"King of the Lobs". 15-30
Amazing reflex action from Popsi.
Big serving from Pospisil. 3-3
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:28
Surely if he hs a wrist problem he wouldn't be exacerbating it by playing??
That's what I thought but I read he is having op after this and will definitely miss French Open and possibly Wimbledon
That's what I thought but I read he is having op after this and will definitely miss French Open and possibly Wimbledon
Yikes! Where did you read that? I would have thought that would have been all over the news if it were true.
That's what I thought but I read he is having op after this and will definitely miss French Open and possibly Wimbledon
Where did you read that?
Yikes! Where did you read that? I would have thought that would have been all over the news if it were true.
Just what I was thinking.
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:31
Relaxing a bit after that game
Andy hasn't shaken his arm/elbow/wrist once tonight as far as I've seen so let's forget about it unless he loses. ;)
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:34
I sincerely hope you are right Bardot. I saw it on Facebook. Posts by two entirely different people.
Pospisil holds to love. 4-4
Love hold for Pospisil. His dad looks a bit like Jonas Bjorkman.
This is a must hold for Andy.
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:36
just googled am wrist op but nothing came up!!
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:36
Love hold for Pospisil. His dad looks a bit like Jonas Bjorkman.
Popsi's coach is Mark Woodforde.
Well held - now break, Andy!
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:38
just googled am wrist op but nothing came up!!
So did I. Zilch.
scrapaddict
12-03-2017, 04:39
Go get him now Andy
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:40
Break please. C'mon Andy!
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:40
just googled am wrist op but nothing came up!!
I tried that too
Beautifully placed serve.
Big serving from Pospisil to hold. 5-5
Not that time - just hold and break next time.
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:44
Oh well. Nice boring hold please. C'mon Andy!
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:47
Danger looms
Well held, Andy - now let's have the break.
A TB at almost 5am would be too much, please break here Andy.
Oh Andy - he let Popsi off the hook there.
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:54
Make or break
Rats!! Andy let that game get away from him. Tie break time, folks!
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:54
Tiebreak. Hold and get one of his points please. Await further instructions. C'mon Andy!
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:56
Oh well. Hold both of yours and get one of his. C'mon Andy! Please!
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:57
Omg
One of these, Andy - preferably both!
david1610
12-03-2017, 04:58
Oh well. Just win the TB please Mr Andrew Murray!
supergran
12-03-2017, 04:58
Now I'm not relaxed. Come on Andy!
Pospisil not missing a serve. 2-4
Pospisil dominating the net. 2-5
themass15
12-03-2017, 04:59
Not looking good. Getting ready to go back to bed but, hopefully not.
A horrible, horrible match:-(
I think that's it, Folks.
themass15
12-03-2017, 05:00
Andy will like this tournament even less now.
david1610
12-03-2017, 05:00
That was so off the radar is Andy alright?
Two back. Now please hold your two.
:crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:
Andy saves 3MPs but not the fourth. So disappointing, was such an opportunity.
Andy can burn that red shirt.
Well played to Pospisil. What went wrong?
Ah well on the upside no more interrupted sleep
david1610
12-03-2017, 05:04
Well stay in the doubles and get some practice for Miami. Just hope those wrist comments have no basis in fact.
Well you have to say Pospisil deserved it. He played a great match and Andy just wasn't firing on all cylinders.
Andy saves 3MPs but not the fourth. So disappointing, was such an opportunity.
Andy can burn that red shirt.
I second that. He just could not find his A game
He was only defending 45 points here wasn't he?
themass15
12-03-2017, 05:05
I hope the stuff about his wrist is a load of baloney. Oh well I won't have any more sleepless nights and can go away without worrying I am missing something.
goldfish
12-03-2017, 05:05
Excruciating. Best of draws and blows it. So disappointing but hey, Miami - here we come.
That side of the draw is wide open with Tsonga out too.
I agree with the burning of the red shirt!
Jinxed Indian Wells.........Andy just not up to his usual self...not to be...:sad:....Hope Andy & Dan do well in the doubles...:thumbup: But you have got to give credit to young Pospisil. must admit I do like this young lad!!
Andy just hates the conditions and the balls. There were several shots he would have made normally but didn't have his usual control of the ball on his racquet.
We'll know if there are any arm/wrist issues if he withdraws from the doubles but it didn't seem to be a problem.
Excruciating. Best of draws and blows it.
To be fair, I think Pospisil had a bit to do with it too.
There has to be something in the wrist. Before the match people were saying there was a problem. It's going to be **** law if he gets kyboshed by injury, just as he was getting ahead. He hates this tournament doesn't he?
supergran
12-03-2017, 05:10
Oh well, can't win 'em all. Pospisil played a blinder.
Pospisil gets the hat-trick with wins over GB's 1, 2, & 3.
Next year Andy should play 2 500s in February and use his get out of jail free card to miss Indian Wells. This is the fourth time he's lost in the 2nd round here.
themass15
12-03-2017, 05:15
Defo not his tournament.
RoastLamb
12-03-2017, 05:18
Wow! That was unexpected. Vashy played really well. I think having a dubs genius as his coach has really helped his game. This should do a lot for his confidence which has been in the toilet the last year. I think Davis Cup really helped. Don't think Andy played terribly well altho' I loved his lobs! Sigh. So disappointing as he had such a good draw. :grrr:
It's depressing, but they all have tournaments they just can't deal with. Lendl no matter how hard he tried, never managed to win Wimbledon. Sorry for him, but he can't help it if the conditions just don't suit him.
Servebot can do one. He's just mad he doesn't have a match to withdraw from during a tournament. :p ;)
Milos Raonic @milosraonic
Congrats to @VasekPospisil on a fantastic win over the world No.1
Defo not his tournament.
Have you got the Facebook links about his wrist?
Servebot can do one. He's just mad he doesn't have a match to withdraw from during a tournament. :p ;)
That's nasty. Absolutely no need for that.
I just had a look at another fan site to see if anything was being said about Andy's wrist. Wow - it's definitely not the place to be when Andy loses!!
I just had a look at another fan site to see if anything was being said about Andy's wrist. Wow - it's definitely not the place to be when Andy loses!!
Yes I looked there for wrist info. I still can't get my head round how vitriolic they are. Pure poison. Never regretted leaving that site. Some of them live for his loses, so they can stick the knife in.
That's nasty. Absolutely no need for that.
As there is no need for repeatedly quoting isolated facebook comments regarding Andy requiring wrist surgery. :rolleyes:
Some quotes from Andy's press conference.
"I don't know exactly why it is because at practice here I play well...I really don't know what I haven't played my best here."
"Started ok, 1st set tough to lose, served badly, 2nd he was more aggressive, had decent looks" "Today it wasn't so much the serve-volley that was the problem, it was my own serve."
As there is no need for repeatedly quoting isolated facebook comments regarding Andy requiring wrist surgery. :rolleyes:
Not sure what you mean. I am not the source of the Facebook quotes. Just worried. Raonic could have congratulated Pospisil privately. Raonic's comment reads as a dig to me. Raonic hates the fact Murray has deprived him of some big wins. However you don't knock a man down. Murray doesn't he has too much class.
You two seem to be at cross purposes - why not kiss and make up!
From those snippets from the press conference it doesn't sound as though Andy has any injury worries.
Sorry - the prospect of wrist injuries freaks me out. Look how they have destroyed Del Potro and Laura Robson's careers. It sounds like for whatever reason IW doesn't suit him or his game. I just hate the crucifixion he is going to get in the press now.
It will be a five minute wonder though - Andy has weathered worse before.
I have noticed when watching the recordings of Dubai he was shaking his arm and rubbing his wrist against his body in the last 2 matches. If he does have even a slight injury it would account for the bad serving. I was not holding my breath for this tournament. Andy, of course, would not use this injury as an excuse for losing. We usually hear from other sources what happened
Will be interesting to see if he plays the doubles.
Although others have difficult matches later this one was a difficult first match. Suits his opponent who has played four matches already. His serve seems troubling at times - think he was nervous as he knew what could happen.
Sad news to wake up to :crying: Also worrying if there is an injury. We have to put faith in his team that the right decisions / treatments will be made. Poor Andy - feel gutted for him. After his fabulous Dubai win things were looking so sunny.
When is his next doubles match?
jackie55
12-03-2017, 07:57
Gutted for Andy :crying::crying: was really hoping that this was going to be his year to win this tournament especially with his 'easy' draw
HoopGirl
12-03-2017, 08:00
Oh no - grim news!
hfwardhouse
12-03-2017, 08:37
Beware the easy draw!
There's no such thing as an easy draw. :sad:
lovetennis
12-03-2017, 08:49
Yikes just woke up to the news. I thought Pops could be dangerous but still thought Andy would come through. Ah well at least he wasn't defending a lot of points but know he will be annoyed to not garner more points in the race. If he plays the doubles I would say there is no injury so we'll see what happens there.
I also woke up and heard the news. I wasn't surprised, as Sir Andy usually doesn't do well in Indian Wells.
Have to confess I had a very bad feeling about this one, so although I was sad to see the result, I wasn't entirely surprised. Off to read the thread now.
All up to Kyle, Evo and Jo now!
RosieBear
12-03-2017, 09:16
Tennis is all about match-ups. Nicky K beat Fed, Rafa and Nole in his first matches against them; Andy has never struggled at all against nasty Nick. The most difficult match up for Andy is super aggressive serve and volleyers who take his time away - Fed, Steps, Kohli, Mischa Z, and now doubles specialist and volleyer extraordinaire Pops (to a certain extent Raonic, but although he has the s&v he doesn't have the athleticism of the other guys) these are the type of player that really make life difficult for Andy. They take opponents' time away, and apply constant pressure. Fed is the absolute master of this style and I make no secret of the fact I was worried when I thought Andy might have to face him in Aus (and Wimbledon again :sofa: but cross that bridge when we come to it).
Andy is vulnerable to players of this style and I don't know what the answer is (that's for Ivandy to work out) - just be grateful that there aren't too many of them on the tour.
So now, roll on Miami and as for for IW - chuck it in the **** it bucket and move on, as the saying goes. Was fake news anyway :big grin:
Eek I was worried when I read about wrist surgery - but hopefully that was fake news too.
The wrist op was reported in an article about Andy and Serena,who is talking about having wrist surgery
WimbledonWestie
12-03-2017, 09:26
Haven't seen anything anywhere bar here re injury so not going to stress over that. Haven't seen the match so can't comment other than Pospisil is much better than his ranking and had played matches already so was always likely to be a tricky opponent. Disappointing- yes, end of world- no. Let's take the positive that there will be opportunities at start of next year for Andy to gain points and also remember that after disappointment here and Miami last year Andy went on a fantastic run. Onwards and upwards.
lovetennis
12-03-2017, 09:35
I'm watching the replay at the moment. Having earlier read a few reports you'd think Andy barely got the ball over the net all through the match, but it's actually a really competitive match and fair play to Pops, he played well. Agree with RB's summary re: serve and volleyers - Pops was using all those doubles skills to great effect.
roytennisfan
12-03-2017, 09:36
Had expected Andy to win although we know he is not so keen on IW since in 9 sets previously, Andy had never lost one, including in IW two years ago!. I think if this had been a few months ago, Andy would have won for sure (he wasn't keen on the o2 but still won all 5 there), just hope he is feeling ok and that he doesn't have any injury, everyone can have a blip, so let's hope he can get over it quickly and record another win in Miami!
roytennisfan
12-03-2017, 09:42
I'm watching the replay at the moment. Having earlier read a few reports you'd think Andy barely got the ball over the net all through the match, but it's actually a really competitive match and fair play to Pops, he played well. Agree with RB's summary re: serve and volleyers - Pops was using all those doubles skills to great effect.
He did that against Dan in Ottawa, but I felt Dan came so close, obviously Pospisil can be dangerous when at his best and as well as his serve/volleys, some of his returns can be very tricky
tennis890
12-03-2017, 10:10
Just seen the result, thought Andy would have pushed through but it wasn't to be. Sounds like Pospisil played a good match. Onwards and upwards to Miami.
sir coolerking
12-03-2017, 10:14
I'm starting to wonder if Andy will bother going to IW again, doesn't seem worth it really.
lovetennis
12-03-2017, 10:16
I'm starting to wonder if Andy will bother going to IW again, doesn't seem worth it really.
Ah but we know how stubborn and determined he is don't we. No way will he walk away from it
JAMES4578
12-03-2017, 10:56
Even though Andy doesn't have great record at IW hoped for more this year and disappointed, wasn't expecting an early exit again anyway. However the tournament is not to his liking and Pospisil played very well, can bounce back and have a good run in Miami.
Clearly some peeps actually had eyes on the match from the comments about the red t-shirt. But wrist injury??? The saying can't tell your **** from your elbow comes to mind...........did nobody else notice Andy had his right elbow taped up with flesh coloured tape? Or have I missed something elsewhere? That would tie in with comments about him shaking his arm in the doubles match and it would presumably also impact his serve. So I think we can put the wrist injury to bed.
Not sure what you mean. I am not the source of the Facebook quotes. Just worried. Raonic could have congratulated Pospisil privately. Raonic's comment reads as a dig to me. Raonic hates the fact Murray has deprived him of some big wins. However you don't knock a man down. Murray doesn't he has too much class.
I don't think he meant it like that, I've seen many of his interviews and he admires Andy. He was happy for his countryman and congratulated him publically like he always does. Nothing suspicious about it. It's what you'd expect.
This match was not Andy at his best but sometimes it goes that way. Poppy put in a good one and Andy didn't quite have it on the day. Now he can get to Miami and have a few days with the family before getting used to the conditions there. He has such a lead he doesn't need to worry about the no. 1. He'll take the title in Miami and be less tired for the DC
He was shaking his arm in Dubai in the last two matches and only at start. Andy would not use it as an excuse so as to not take anything from his opponent. Unlike some!!
Clearly some peeps actually had eyes on the match from the comments about the red t-shirt. But wrist injury??? The saying can't tell your **** from your elbow comes to mind...........did nobody else notice Andy had his right elbow taped up with flesh coloured tape? Or have I missed something elsewhere? That would tie in with comments about him shaking his arm in the doubles match and it would presumably also impact his serve. So I think we can put the wrist injury to bed.
I didn't notice the tape on the elbow - may be he has a touch of 'tennis elbow' then! Hopefully, it's something they can sort out fairly quickly.
http://tennismash.com/2017/03/12/pospisil-stuns-murray-desert-boilover/ Good interview with poppy on the match
:crying::crying::crying: Just watched the replay! Another IW gone by for Andy. However, credit to Pospisil for hanging in there. He played a good match. I really thought Andy would have won this however. Now Andy, go for the doubles! You and Evo can do it!!
thought Vasek played great , really showed his doubles net skills
Andy looked kinda tired at times to me , not surprising
The trouble is we don't know. It could be the after effect of the shingles, it could be there is some form of injury, he could be struggling to re focus after his stint at the end of last year. Equally it could be that he has a bit of a mental block about IW.
We all worry about him, but it is who he is. He is never going to be a robot Djokovic clone - thankfully. Disappointing, but good for our sleep patterns. Whatever he does this year it's going to be a let down after 2016. Hard for all of us, including him. However making a pigs ear of IW is normal for AM.
What I wanted this year was him to beat Becker for number of weeks at No 1. He has done that, and picked up a title en route. I often reflect Berdych and Tsonga would kill for even half of what he has achieved. Hoping for a good run in The Doubles - more for Dan's sake than anything. Onwards we go.
This time last none of us would have even imagined that Andy would be where he is today
Guerkins2
12-03-2017, 16:46
Clearly some peeps actually had eyes on the match from the comments about the red t-shirt. But wrist injury??? The saying can't tell your **** from your elbow comes to mind...........did nobody else notice Andy had his right elbow taped up with flesh coloured tape? Or have I missed something elsewhere? That would tie in with comments about him shaking his arm in the doubles match and it would presumably also impact his serve. So I think we can put the wrist injury to bed.
I noticed it.... very subtle, obviously trying not to draw attention to it
Josephine
12-03-2017, 17:47
Read the result this morning as with friends all day. Bit depressing. Had a sinking feeling after the so-called easy draw, to then find Pospisil was the qualifier. Not the level of player one might expect. Don't think I can bear to watch my recording. Andy does need to gain some points to get to a decent position in the race. It all counts.
I don't think last year will ever be topped - but that is me in pessimistic mode - so I hope I am wrong!!
banskogirl
12-03-2017, 18:06
We all worry about him, but it is who he is. He is never going to be a robot Djokovic clone - thankfully. Disappointing, but good for our sleep patterns. Whatever he does this year it's going to be a let down after 2016. Hard for all of us, including him. However making a pigs ear of IW is normal for AM.
What I wanted this year was him to beat Becker for number of weeks at No 1. He has done that, and picked up a title en route. I often reflect Berdych and Tsonga would kill for even half of what he has achieved. Hoping for a good run in The Doubles - more for Dan's sake than anything. Onwards we go.
Thanks for this :) was really gutted when I woke to the news but really, it's IW!
I also want Andy to go far in the doubles, for Dan's sake and for more practise at the net, which I'm beginning to think Andy is really going to need more of in the future. The more these young guys see the likes of Pop winning this way the more they're bound to try it!
Now for a good rest and a big family hug for Andy and :grouphug: for us all! We don't follow a robot!
There are things he did last year that I doubt he will do again. Things came together for him. When he was runner up in the FO, with that great gulf between him and Djokovic, if you had suggested he would be No 1 by the end of the year, people would have laughed in your face, or referred you for help with your delusional ideas.
It doesn't matter if he doesn't do it again. The important thing is he has done it. When the current players are old men, and they are being interviewed Sir Andy Murray will be introduced as the former World No 1.
When he is an old man, Henry Caplin will be interviewed about the day he gave the last British male winner of Wimbledon (hopefully not), a hug.
Murray has his legacy. The rollercoaster is not over yet. He lost in a tournament he has invariably played like excrement in, to a player who the conditions suited. We move on.
I am tired and disappointed, and I always get a bit maudlin when I am tired, so sorry. Yes it's a pain, but it's part of the deal. Painful as it is to quote Becker "It's only a tennis match - nobody died", or as a commentator in The Guardian put it "Sometimes you lose".
Elizabeth
12-03-2017, 18:44
I watched the match again and stopped it when Andy had his back to the camera and I could see the flesh coloured tape all round his elbow.
That's telling because, unlike others. Andy rarely is taped.
A pic of Andy showing the taping!!...(Very good eyesight by the way pabbers!!:thumbup:)....sorry if it's large, the only one I could find...:facepalm:
http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/~/media/indian-wells/images/2017-photo-gallery/2017-03-11-best-of-gallery/iw-sat1-murray2.ashx?w=1200
Personally I would prefer to wait & see if Andy or any of his camp say anything, Andy knows what he is doing, until then I am not going to worry:)
Rosalind
12-03-2017, 22:36
had friends staying so had to watch on catchup through-out the day. How weird :( Andy either winning or out early just now. Disappointing for us all of course - not to mention all the work that the team put in to no avail. It's how it goes it seems for us but this time last year we were in a similar situation and look what happened. I can't add anything to what others have posted. Life, and the tennis tour, go on.
RosieBear
13-03-2017, 07:53
No mention of any injury from Andy, but this in The Times:
'Two of his most disappointing defeats this year have come against players who like to serve and volley. He was outwitted by the attacking net play of Mischa Zverev, of Germany, in the fourth round at the Australian Open and again struggled to find the target in his passing shots against Pospisil on Saturday. In the past, match-ups such as this have been bread and butter for Murray.
“My results in my career have been fantastic against serve-and-volley players, so maybe it’s something I need to practise a little bit more,” Murray admitted.
Might not be a bad idea, Andy ;) It's entirely understandable if Andy became a little complacent about his ability against s&vers, and looked to develop other areas of his game, but for me it's plain to see that it's this type of player who has been causing him the most bother the last 18 months or so.
This is the complete answer Andy gave in his press conference regarding facing serve & volley players.
Q. Looking at what happened here and Australia, you lost to two players who play serve-and-volley pretty much every point. Do you think it's a coincidence or maybe a pattern there?
ANDY MURRAY: Well, my results in my career have been fantastic against serve-and-volley players, so, you know, maybe it's something I need to practice a little bit more.
But, you know, I have never really practiced playing against serve-and-volleyers in my career. But when I have come up against them, it's normally been a game style I have enjoyed playing against.
You know, today it wasn't so much the serve/volley that was the problem. It was my own serve, you know, rather than not sort of getting enough opportunities when he was serving. So I think that was more the problem tonight.
After all he did break Pospisil's serve 3 times but was broken himself 4 times and having saved 3MPs (2 on Pospisil's serve) he was one big serve from levelling the TB. Practice your serve Andy. ;)
RosieBear
13-03-2017, 12:50
Andy also struggled to hold/consolidate against Mischa Z. I think part of the problem is that serve volleyers (esp Fed) whizz through their service games so quickly, and this results in constant pressure on Andy's serve. And (like many others) Andy's fsp drops off under pressure. He's phenomenal at finding big serves on important points, but in matches when under the cosh in *every* game, Andy's serve can go walkies. It's strange because the same issues could arise when facing the big servers such as Isner and co, but it appears to be the athletic serve volleyers who have (recently) caused him more problems than the servebots (I suppose the servebots don't usually have much of a returning game).:shrug:
Watched the match on catch up yesterday morning. Have to say I was thinking the same as you RB re: Andy v serve volleyers lately but then I was remembering how he used to love to counter that style. He has probably got it spot on in that he needs to prectice against them more. I guess he felt so comfortable against that style in the past - all those junior years practicing against Jamie.
And just on another note, I do wish that people would quit the scare mongering. Stuff posted on FB or Twitter is quite often fake news. "Chinese whispers" winds everyone up into a frenzy with no grounds. Born out by the fact that it was actually Serena talking about wrist surgery, not Andy
themass15
13-03-2017, 13:27
Sorry Caro but when I saw it at 3 a.m. on Sunday I panicked and wanted to know if anyone on here had heard the same thing.
david1610
13-03-2017, 15:55
Winning six games in a row against Andy is quite some feat even if he is not serving as well as he could. His second serve seemed very vulnerable. Who else outside the top four or days when Andy for whatever reason has not "been there" have been able to take several games in a row off Andy?
Sorry Caro but when I saw it at 3 a.m. on Sunday I panicked and wanted to know if anyone on here had heard the same thing. I know I understand people worry but if it's not from an official source you can be fairly confident it's not correct.
This is how to handle serve & volleyers. :shades: Andy hit more brilliant lobs in this match than he has the rest of the year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlH0-CoX_2Q
I still fondly remember a match against Llodra at the Oz Open. It was one of the most entertaining matches I have ever witnessed, Llodra was in full serve volley mode - Andy was in full Andy Murray mode and it was an electric contest. No doubt about the winner, of course, Even Llodra confessed that it was one of his best ever matches even though he lost! Andy does know how to play serve volleyers - for whatever reason he just didn't on this occasion. Onwards and upwards!
I still fondly remember a match against Llodra at the Oz Open. It was one of the most entertaining matches I have ever witnessed, Llodra was in full serve volley mode - Andy was in full Andy Murray mode and it was an electric contest. No doubt about the winner, of course, Even Llodra confessed that it was one of his best ever matches even though he lost! Andy does know how to play serve volleyers - for whatever reason he just didn't on this occasion. Onwards and upwards!
You mean on these two occasions?
Okay - these two occasions!
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