Eastbourne 2018 R2: Andy vs Kyle Edmund - Wednesday not before 4.00 pm

[cazza99]

Andy vs Kyle. Not before Wednesday.

[Stell]

I know radio five sports extra will be doing cricket, tomorrow, but I hope they'll also do this match. Carrying on, from yesterday, I don't understand why the BBC couldn't pay some money to whoever has the men's rights at Eastbourne. I know the BBC can't have the rights to every sporting tournament they show and must pay someone else to show it as well.

[Josephine]

sadly not that simple - it goes to highest bidder. And Amazon is making lots of money partly by exploiting people who work for them. BBC cannot compete.

[JAMES4578]

Depends on nature of deal,on occasions a few broadcasters have rights. However many deals are exclusive as is the case with Amazon's rights for several ATP events.

[lovetennis]

sadly not that simple - it goes to highest bidder. And Amazon is making lots of money partly by exploiting people who work for them. BBC cannot compete.
Very true that it is not that simple. The contract between Amazon and the tournament may have included an exclusivity clause. I know it's frustrating for people with so many platforms showing tennis but ultimately the rights are sold to the highest bidder - it's a business decision pure and simple. At least on this occasion the free 30 day Amazon trial is an option.

[Jane]

Andy and Kyle = "not before 4.00pm" tomorrow

[patlowe]

Brilliant! Suits me very well!!

[lovetennis]

Thank goodness for flexi-time. That's me leaving at 4pm again tomorrow. If the earlier matches would please oblige by going the full distance I'll be really grateful

[lynne]

The Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

[banskogirl]

Andy and Kyle = "not before 4.00pm" tomorrow


Thanks Jane, my livescore was showing 11 am for tomorrow! Really happy!

[HoopGirl]

The later the better for me! Closer to 6 would be great!

[Pam]

All the best Andy. Play well and enjoy yourself

Any link to watch this match would be gratefully received at match time. Thanks in advance,

[Caro]

The later the better for me! Closer to 6 would be great!

Me too HoopGirl ... I am meant to finish at 4 today but I swim after work and I can't not go as I'm at Wimby all next week getting no exercise and eating and drinking too much no doubt!

[Jane]

Best of luck today. Andy:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[JennieF]

Unable to watch :sad: so hope I don’t hear the result until I’m able to catch up on Prime. Come on Andy! Tough playing your friend though. And well done Cam, by the way :thumbup:

[Stell]

Andy time.

[Stell]

A big cheer as Kyle walks out and a bigger one for Andy.

[traveller7]

Lets go Andy lets go!

[JAMES4578]

Come on Andy, hopefully Kyle plays well too!

[Stell]

If anyone is still looking for a link, I've been given http://live.schwidget.com/freelivematch/5900771328437920.html

[Jan]

May the best man win :GBflag::GBflag:

[Stell]

Typical!! I clicked on it and they showed Kyle and Andy walking out, now they're showing a woman's match.

[mickeypops]

May the best man win :GBflag::GBflag:

May the best man be called Murray!

[Josephine]

May the best man win :GBflag::GBflag:

So come on Andy!!! ;)

[Hawkeye]

http://live.drakulawidget.com/streamvideo10/andy-murray-live-streaming-4678188.html working for me.

[mickeypops]

Mmm, Kyle plays well, a couple of loose ones from Andy and it's a break. 0-1 to Kyle.

[JAMES4578]

Not best start, but a few great shots from Kyle

[roytennisfan]

3bp gone

[karanga]

Come on Andy. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

[Pam]

If anyone is still looking for a link, I've been given http://live.schwidget.com/freelivematch/5900771328437920.html


Thanks for that Stell but I can't get it to work :sad:

[roytennisfan]

now 4 gone

[mickeypops]

Andy gets to 40-0 on Kyle's serve but K fights back to deuce with some great serves, eventually holds for 0-2.

[roytennisfan]

Kyle saves 2-0

[traveller7]

I cant get links to work either
COme on Andy

[JAMES4578]

Pity Andy didn't capitalise there but some good play from Kyle.

[mickeypops]

A regulation hold to 0 gets Andy on the scoreboard at 1-2. Nice play.

[Stell]

I've now been given, http://live.schwidget.com/freelivematch/5900771328437930.html and it works for me.

[ljs]

I cant get links to work either
COme on Andy


http://live.drakulawidget.com/streamvideo10/andy-murray-live-streaming-4678761.html
this ones working for me

[Linda]

http://live.drakulawidget.com/streamvideo10/andy-murray-live-streaming-4678188.html working for me.

Thank you! It's actually working on my Kindle - most live streams don't.

[mickeypops]

Kyle holds for 1-3

[Pam]

http://live.drakulawidget.com/streamvideo10/andy-murray-live-streaming-4678188.html working for me.

Thanks!! That's working fine for me.

[traveller7]

http://live.drakulawidget.com/streamvideo10/andy-murray-live-streaming-4678761.html
this ones working for me
Thanks so much

[mickeypops]

Nice from both players. Kyle gets it to deuce - nets one at BP. Andy serves his way out of trouble eventually....

2-3

[traveller7]

So thats what it feels like to be lobbed?!

[mickeypops]

He's a great server isn't he? Kyle that is. Doesn't give Andy much of a sniff there. 2-4.

[Teresa]

Just come back from the park. Still early days.

[mickeypops]

So thats what it feels like to be lobbed?!

Amazon comm said it was a mishit!

[mickeypops]

Andy still hanging in there. Holds to 0 for 3-4.

[Pam]

Held to love! Better 3-4

[Linda]

Now a large ad has appeared, covering most of the screen, and I can't get rid of it :(

[mickeypops]

Kyle holds to 30. 3-5.

[mickeypops]

Now a large ad has appeared, covering most of the screen, and I can't get rid of it :(

Probably need an ad-blocker on your browser.

[JAMES4578]

Andy able to make more inroads there but a few errors and Kyle closer to the set.

[Stell]

I've got the link working on the laptop and Russell Fuller talking drivel on radio five sports extra on the TV. Russell Fuller's already talked about the weather, seedings and the seagulls.

[mickeypops]

Andy holds to 15, makes Kyle try to serve the set out. 4-5.

[traveller7]

Its like watching andy play a young andy lol

[mickeypops]

Kyle's serve is a formidable weapon, he holds to 15 and takes the set 4-6.

[Teresa]

:-)

I support Kyle except when he is playing Andy.

[traveller7]

Andy has to do it the hard way then

[JAMES4578]

Strong serving from Kyle as he takes first 6-4, hopefully Andy makes stronger start to 2nd and makes a few more returns.

[ljs]

Kyle is so good isnt he !!!
Future star maybe !

[pabbers]

Kyle is dominant at the moment. Not sure what Andy can do other than hang onto his own serve in the second set and hope for a dip from Kyle.

[Stell]

I've always believed that Kyle is good, but Andy is always much better. I hope Andy can win the second set.

[mickeypops]

A better start to the second. Andy holds to 0. 1-0

[mickeypops]

Comfortable hold by Kyle. 1-1.

[traveller7]

Andy not getting a sniff at kyles service game at the moment

[roytennisfan]

Andy saves 2bp from 15-40 and good hold 2-1

[mickeypops]

Andy fights back from 15-40 to get to deuce, and holds for 2-1.

[ljs]

so good to see Andy with the huge desire to win !!

[JAMES4578]

Looks like crucial hold there, come on Andy!

[traveller7]

great hold and loving andys response
kyles forehand is really something isnt it?!

[Stell]

Good to see Andy shout "come on" at himself. Though he probably won't announce whether or not he will play Wimbledon until tomorrow, I think we already know the answer.

[mickeypops]

Kyle holds to 30, more excellent serving when in a spot of bother. 2-2.

[Caro]

Home before end of 1st set. Come on Andy!l

[roytennisfan]

Cmon Andy hold! more BPs saved

[mickeypops]

Kyle fights to get to deuce on Andy's serve. Andy wins a rally to get the adv and shouts "Mon!" at himself. Kyle gets an adv of his own, Andy saves the BP. Kyle is allowed a late challenge and gets us back to deuce. It's a (tennis) dogfight out there!

Deuce again...

[mickeypops]

... a loose DF from Andy sets up another BP which he saves. Another BP, and Andy DFs again to hand the break. 2-3

That could be crucial....

[Teresa]

I am not enjoying this match...........

[ljs]

aww DF , shame

[pabbers]

If only Kyle would keep this up in later stages of tournaments. I still can't get behind him.

[traveller7]

Andy needs to break back immediately which is going to be difficult he hasnt had any BP yet so far has he?

[JAMES4578]

Such a competitive and lengthy game , however unfortunately pressure told with that double-Andy really needs to find something special to fightback here.

[mickeypops]

Kyle serves out his game to love. 2-4. Ominous.....

[mickeypops]

Andy needs to break back immediately which is going to be difficult he hasnt had any BP yet so far has he?

Yes, he's had four, all saved by Kyle.

[Teresa]

If only Kyle would keep this up in later stages of tournaments. I still can't get behind him.

I am finding it hard, because he has overtaken AM as British No 1. He is also 24 soon, and has yet to win an ATP singles title.

I also don’t like the fact he has become a non resident for tax purposes.

[mickeypops]

I am finding it hard, because he has overtaken AM as British No 1. He is also 24 soon, and has yet to win an ATP singles title.

Yes, he's a great player, but he's no Murray.... There again, how could there ever be another?

[Mandiemoo]

Am watching but not commenting as my stream is a bit behind. The serve is the problem today I feel.

Cmon Muzz!

[mickeypops]

Kyle plays a FH down the line - 15-40, and he breaks again, 2-5 and serving for the match.

[Teresa]

The double break:-(

I think Kyle is more a Henman or a Berdych.

[Alis]

Oh dear - Andy just isn't at the races today but Kyle is playing a blinder.

[traveller7]

Yeah think its over for Andy im afraid shame

[JAMES4578]

That's it for Andy I'm afraid as Kyle goes up 2 breaks, obviously Edmund has yet to truly excel in latter stages of events. However is a slam semi finalist (better than 250 for instance) and if a bit behind some still has the potential.

[rimarli]

There have been numerous glimpses of Murray magic. Kyle will never be a Murray.

[mickeypops]

Andy refuses to lie down, gets to 15-40 on Kyle's serve and breaks! 3-5.

Is it too late though - Kyle has the insurance break.

[Alis]

Never say never - this is Andy!

[mickeypops]

Anyone else find the shadow across the court annoying?

[roytennisfan]

One break back, pity about being a double down

[JAMES4578]

Pity Andy never got the opening before and fighting to extend match, however may be a bit late now. Still solid game for 4-5. Obviously Kyle is not Andy and don't enjoy his game as much but still a fan and can do well in years ahead.

[mickeypops]

Kyle fights back from 40-0 to deuce. Andy digs deep fights his way out. It's 4-5, Kyle to serve (again) for the match.

[harriet]

andy gets one break back, second channce for kyle

[mickeypops]

Kyle's FH powers him to 40-15, two MPs......

[mickeypops]

Only one needed, Kyle wins the match 6-4 6-4.

[Teresa]

But not the second alas. Disappointing, but to be expected. It’s still very early days. We were lucky to have the victory against Wawrinka. I shall watch that again tonight.

Onwards and upwards.

[harriet]

rats, all over, andy loses 4-6, 4-6, just 1hour 40mins

[mickeypops]

There wasn't much in it really. Total points won 72-64 in Kyle's favour. The young man played well.

[mickeypops]

Let's hope Andy chooses to play Wimbledon!

[scrapaddict]

I thought Kyle played really well and Andy looked fatigued. On the basis of that he may well decide to give Wimbledon a miss- depends how his body feels

[Hawkeye]

Let's hope Andy chooses to play Wimbledon!
Funny, I hope he doesn't. Suspect he will though.

[ljs]

I thought kyle played great !!

Some glimpses of the old Andy in that match I thought !
Just have to be patient I guess

[traveller7]

They shut the interview off in my ls but edmund seemed genuinely a bit out of sorts beating andy, not sure how he feels he said.
Never mind andy another day

[themass15]

Well let us hope Kyle or Cameron can go on to win the tournament.

[karanga]

Funny, I hope he doesn't. Suspect he will though.

I really hope he doesn't as well.

[Stell]

A good match from Andy and I hope he'll beat someone like Kyle soon.

[JAMES4578]

so Kyle takes it in straights and overall it was a great performance from him, he handled the ocassion very well. Disappointing for Andy and had hoped he would at least get a set but still relatively close and we seen some gems from Murray, early in the comeback and just was not quite sharp enough and Edmund put him under pressure at times with serve and movement.

[roytennisfan]

That's it for Andy I'm afraid as Kyle goes up 2 breaks, obviously has yet to truly excel in latter stages of events. However is a slam semi finalist (better than 250 for instance) and if a bit behind some still has the potential.

Also a losing ATP finalist, should hope Kyle can at least match that at Eastbourne now

[roytennisfan]

A good match from Andy and I hope he'll beat someone like Kyle soon.

Next time they meet Andy will win

[Jane]

So sad that Andy lost :crying: - wouldn't care to speculate on whether he will play Wimbledon because I don't have all the facts.

[patlowe]

Ok so Andy didn't get the win today but Kyle has been the most consistent opponent he has faced yet. And also this is what a comeback is all about, finding out where you are etc. Some very encouraging signs in Andy's game and it's just so good he's back out there. I thought there was some good tennis played today and hey, that was 2 Brits playing! How good is that? I think today showed how very far Kyle has come and well played to him. Good interview too.

[lovetennis]

Well done to Kyle, he played really well. Andy a bit more fatigued than on Monday I think. It's hard not to be greedy and expect Andy to win again but overall the signs are encouraging. I think he probably shouldn't play Wimbledon but it will be very hard for him to resist

[Josephine]

Andy fought really well, but Kyle player better. Andy was a bit hit off the court with power of Kyles' serve and forehand.

Not sure Andy will play Wimbledon. Does he feel he can beat top players yet - I don't know.

[Jan]

Fair play to Kyle - he was the better player. Which is completely understandable given Andy's situation. To be honest I'd have worried about Kyle's game if he hadn't won. Andy will get better and sharper. When/if they play again it may well be a different story. If Andy was to lose today, I'd rather he lost to Kyle than anyone else.

[WimbledonWestie]

Kyle always likely to be a particularly tricky opponent simply because he's been practising with Andy and therefore has best info on what - at present- is likely to make life tricky for Andy.

[HoopGirl]

Kyle's game has improved so much - and his mental strength - remember DC when he was ahead and then lost it. He's only recently got on top of that. He looks very strong now and has an unpredictable game.

Andy looked more predictable today - maybes it's the opponent. He's not as quick around the court as he was.
Not surprising at the moment. Tough match for them both - the No 1 versus the one we all feel is No 1!

After Monday's match I thought Andy would play Wimbledon. Not so sure though now. But the best way he can get match fit is through playing matches. We've been saying for years he needs to emulate what Federer does to preserve his body - he's got to make preservation his top management strategy now. Whatever that means for him.

[roytennisfan]

Well done to Kyle, he played really well. Andy a bit more fatigued than on Monday I think. It's hard not to be greedy and expect Andy to win again but overall the signs are encouraging. I think he probably shouldn't play Wimbledon but it will be very hard for him to resist

He probably shouldn't have played Wimbledon last year and definitely should not have been playing a 5th set in the QF.

However, it is Andy's decision and whichever way it goes we will respect that. To me, whatever the draw, Andy is unlikely to make it to the second week if he decides to play, just hoping people do not expect him to perform miracles!

[Teresa]

“Not surprising at the moment. Tough match for them both - the No 1 versus the one we all feel is No 1!”

That’s the point. I resent Kyle for being No 1. It’s completely unfair of me, and I probably should grow up. But there it is. I will treasure the win against Wawrinka. That was a delightful bonus.

[LC the fan]

Whatever Andy decides is probably not going to give the outcome we all want.....another win. Having said that we are all going to have to accept a few losses and a slow build up to the Andy we all love.
A few smaller tournaments and patience....lets all work on our patience while Andy builds his body back

[Sallydaisy]

Good words from Kyle:

@kyle8edmund (https://twitter.com/kyle8edmund) 26m26 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/kyle8edmund/status/1012054349793648640)




It was an honour as always to share the court with you today, you’ve been a great mentor over the years and to see you back is truly inspirational. See you at @Wimbledon (https://twitter.com/Wimbledon)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DguKECsWsAA-87f.jpg

[clancy]

My head told me a Kyle win would be today's result but my heart hoped otherwise!

He'll certainly want to play Wimbledon so I'm not sure he'll be able to resist. I hope he does play as who knows what the next 12 months will bring? I'm treasuring each and every appearance. x

[Rosalind]

Just managed to watch on catchup. If Andy has to lose to someone, then Kyle is the best choice, imo.

Andy still looking much better than we could have hoped a month or so ago.

[goldfish]

A definite case of tennis (in the from of Kyle) moving on whilst Andy has to sit on the sidelines. Thought Kyle was very focussed today, positive until nerves took over near the end but showed how he's progressed by getting the win. He took charge of the occasion and played exceptionally well. We are lucky to have someone else at such a high level to follow whilst Andy finds his way back. Personally I'd like Andy to keep playing matches even if he doesn't win. If he loses very early he can still practise, if he can win a few then that's positive progress. It would just be very hard if he meets the best players so early in every tournament at this early stage. I'm greedy and want to see him. It's been so good to be reminded of his skilfull shot-making and his competitive fighting spirit.

[patmoren]

Great match between the two really good British players. Lovely to be in such a position. Andy serve letting him down a bit. His court coverage is still phenomenal.

[david1610]

Just in case anyone like me needs this to see a summary of the match in eleven and a half minutes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUOR_QGzs-0

I thought Kyle outpowered Andy today and, yes, Andy was not as quick on court. But... Krygios, Wawrinka and Kyle as first three matches back... that is a bit like jumping back in the pool at the deep end. Think how many tournaments Andy went through without having such a difficult draw! Good luck with the comeback Andy! I suspect at some point Andy will get his old game back less some speed and then make a few changes based on the "new" body!

[Reef]

Playing Andy seemed imo to bring out the best in Kyle, and was certainly a demonstration of how his game has improved overall. The loss may have hurt in more ways than one at the time, but I also think Andy will be pleased to see the future of British tennis is in good hands, and know how much Kyle has appreciated his support.

[supergran]

Kyle certainly played very well and earned the win. Andy still a little rusty with serve and his movement was not up to his usual standard. But he's getting there. Whether he feels he's there for Wimbledon is the 64 dollar question. Only he and his team can make that decision. It was a treat to watch two British players do battle and even though I desperately wanted Andy to win must congratulate Kyle as he has improved so much this year. He did say some lovely things about Andy and I'm guessing it was a little emotional for him.

[Josephine]

Yes - the 64 dollar question

From the Times article

Andy Murray on Wimbledon: "It’s just whether I feel like I’m able to do myself justice. I don’t want to go out there to just play, I want to be able to compete properly. If I don’t feel like I can do that, then I won’t play."

[JennieF]

Just finished watching the match on Prime and have to say I feel British men’s tennis is in safe hands with these two. Andy still getting match fitness back, but sparks of the old Andy coming through his game, though I don’t think we have seen the best of post-operation Andy yet. I’m certain we will if he takes his come-back steadily and he seems to be philosophical, thinking intelligently and realistically about what he needs to do. Kyle goes from strength to strength and is developing into a fine mature player. He has a great game and has, without doubt, benefitted from his friendship with Andy. I see a future grand slam winner here! Go Kyle! And welcome back Andy! And what about young Cameron then?? Tennis certainly is exciting with these three, and hopefully Dan doing his talent justice as well. Go guys!

[Teresa]

@ JennieF - I think we have some great players coming through. I can’t see Kyle as a Grandslam Winner. He is 24 this year, and has one ATP Final to his credit. He is yet to break his duck. I see him more as a Henman. He might pick up the odd ATP title, but I suspect GS Titles are beyond him.

I have great hopes for Jay Clarke though.