View Full Version : Andy Murray - coaching by Ivan Lendl - now split
Do you think trying to hug members of the press while dripping with sweat is Mr Lendl's new tactics about keeping the media at distance? ;)
Herald Sun (Murray seeks to play down Lendl effect) - Murray seeks to play down Lendl effect
Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/MURRAY-LENDL-PARTNERSHIP-NEEDS-TIME-39780128)- MURRAY - LENDL PARTNERSHIP NEEDS TIME
Scotland on Sunday (http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/sport/other-sports/interview_ivan_lendl_tennis_coach_and_former_playe r_1_2057983) - Interview: Ivan Lendl, tennis coach and former player
World Tennis (http://www.worldtennismagazine.com/archives/6132) - Jan Kodes: Lendl-Murray Partnership “An Interesting Challenge”
"I was a former Davis Cup teammate and doubles partner of Ivan’s for Czechoslovakia. I was also his Davis Cup captain!
In my opinion Murray’s decision to hire Ivan as his coach/ adviser to help him to achieve a higher status on the ATP Tour and to win a major title was a great arrangement.
Ivan can give him a good advice and confidence on how to deal with his pressure from media and British fans during the matches and to not lose his concentration. This seemed to be the case the last few years with Murray.
Ivan is always good in tactics and Murray could follow that even under the pressure, which is very important not to make an unforced errors to give your opponent another chance on those big points. Concentration and self-belief are also two areas where Ivan can help the Scotsman.
This agreement is only good if Murray will be able to accept his share of responsibility and believe in his new adviser/coach. Only time will show if this cooperation will bring the desired results."
Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/lendl-should-be-missing-piece-in-murrays-jigsaw-6289901.html) - Lendl should be missing piece in Murray's jigsaw
"While Lendl hopes to carry on playing golf – "In the evenings I'm happy to go and work on my own game," he said – there are sacrifices he will make. "I hate travelling," he said. "I can't stand the airports, all those screens. I know it has to be done, but the airlines just drive me absolutely ballistic. That's one consideration. But I'm not going to lie, a big part to me is that Andy has a place in Miami. He is planning on spending a lot of time there. I'm not very far away.""
ESPN (http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/131111.html)- Murray admits to swotting up on Lendl on YouTube
""He is a very hard worker. I like hard work as well. I think he's liked that so far in the time we've spent together," Murray said. "The last couple of years especially my attention to detail has got much, much better.
"I was very young when he played but he's obviously had a great attitude towards trying to improve. He tried many new things and he was always in great shape. He's definitely going to help with that side of things as well."
When Murray was born in 1987, Lendl was at the peak of his powers, having held the No. 1 ranking since September 1985. The British No. 1 has taken to the internet to watch videos of his coach in action, with Murray admitting he knew little of his mentor before they started working together.
"I have watched him since I've got older and started to understand the history of tennis a little bit better," Murray said. "I've seen some of his matches, re-runs, bits and pieces on YouTube." "
Eurosport (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15012012/58/australian-open-mouratoglou-lendl-help-murray-win-australia.html) - Australian Open - Mouratoglou: Will Lendl help Murray win in Australia?
"- In the history of tennis, there has never been a star who has translated that success into coaching. It is one thing to become a consultant and another to coach. This commitment requires being at the full service of someone else, to think only about the player's success. It is a special state of mind, nearly the opposite of that which is usually cultivated, out of necessity, by a champion.
- I am always surprised to see professional players searching for former professional players in order to solve issues that are linked to coaching. When Lendl was facing up to his four failures in Grand Slam finals, he called Tony Roche and their collaboration changed his career. Therefore learning from the Lendl situation does not mean Murray should call Lendl - but rather someone like Roche himself. The man is the most successful coach in the world, with 14 Grand Slams achieved with three different players."
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"It is hard to justify calling up an ex-player for help when this ex-player has never coached anyone and been out of the Tour system since he retired... but the personality of Ivan Lendl could see me change my mind. This man has a special ability that could make the difference: he has - because of his record and his personality - an aura that could make Murray listen to him. When we are talking about players with as strong a temper as Murray, that can be a huge advantage. Ivan is also a very hard worker, with a love for detail, and a great professional in all the activities he commits himself to."
MurrayAOne
15-01-2012, 22:41
Let's hope he likes drop shots.
david1610
15-01-2012, 23:41
Eurosport (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/15012012/58/australian-open-mouratoglou-lendl-help-murray-win-australia.html) - Australian Open - Mouratoglou: Will Lendl help Murray win in Australia?
"- In the history of tennis, there has never been a star who has translated that success into coaching. It is one thing to become a consultant and another to coach. This commitment requires being at the full service of someone else, to think only about the player's success. It is a special state of mind, nearly the opposite of that which is usually cultivated, out of necessity, by a champion.
- I am always surprised to see professional players searching for former professional players in order to solve issues that are linked to coaching. When Lendl was facing up to his four failures in Grand Slam finals, he called Tony Roche and their collaboration changed his career. Therefore learning from the Lendl situation does not mean Murray should call Lendl - but rather someone like Roche himself. The man is the most successful coach in the world, with 14 Grand Slams achieved with three different players."
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"It is hard to justify calling up an ex-player for help when this ex-player has never coached anyone and been out of the Tour system since he retired... but the personality of Ivan Lendl could see me change my mind. This man has a special ability that could make the difference: he has - because of his record and his personality - an aura that could make Murray listen to him. When we are talking about players with as strong a temper as Murray, that can be a huge advantage. Ivan is also a very hard worker, with a love for detail, and a great professional in all the activities he commits himself to."
Erm, Tony Roche has 13 GS titles - admittedly 12 for doubles.
How can this writer argue the above using an example that disproves his own point of view!!!!! Or don't the doubles ones count....
Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/sport/tennis/australian_open_andy_murray_looks_for_key_to_grand _slam_success_in_ivan_lendl_s_legacy_1_2058872)- Australian Open: Andy Murray looks for key to grand slam success in Ivan Lendl’s legacy
“I’ve seen some of his matches, re-runs, bits and pieces on YouTube.”
It may have proved a useful introduction for Murray as he admits he knew little of Lendl before they started working together. “I’d spoken to him once or twice about four or five years ago when I was working with Brad Gilbert, when I trained at [Nick] Bollettieri’s. He came and watched a couple of my practices,” he said. “I chatted to him a couple of times then, but nothing after that at all. I didn’t really know him”
stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/6272218/Lendls-tough-love-approach-may-just-be-the-tonic-for-Murray) - Lendl's tough love approach may just be the tonic for Murray
Bob Larson's Tennis News (http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=35088)- Murray Credits Cahill for Lendl Idea
“I spoke to Darren a little bit at the end of last year and said, What's it looking like for next year? What are your plans? He offered me the same things he did last year. He wasn't around enough at the Grand Slams, and that was something I wanted. So chatted with him, had a few names, spoke to a few people. And Ivan was one of them.
“After speaking with him, meeting him a couple times, spent a day on the court with him. It was pretty obvious that was the guy I wanted to work with, and that was it. He is a very hard worker. I like hard work as well. I think he's like that, as well, so far in the time we've spent together.”
Daily Record (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis-news/2012/01/17/australian-open-andy-murray-delighted-with-new-coach-ivan-lendl-after-opening-victory-in-melbourne-86908-23704325/) - Australian Open: Andy Murray delighted with new coach Ivan Lendl after opening victory in Melbourne
Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/ivan-lendl-steers-andy-murray-right-way/story-fn77kxzt-1226246832306)- Ivan Lendl steers Andy Murray right way
andy on 86% first serve percentage today,wouldn't that be nice if mr lendl's sorted the serve out
I think it was 68% first serves in and 86% won J, but still a good figure.
I think it was 68% first serves in and 86% won J, but still a good figure.doh
Madeline
19-01-2012, 23:51
Well if you were watching the Eurosport coverage, the commentators got it wrong as well!
Indeed - I posted what the commies had said, on the match thread. Thought it was really impressive, then checked the actual stats!!
Metro (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/887887-andrew-castle-andy-murrays-choice-of-ivan-lendl-is-the-right-one)- Andrew Castle: Andy Murray's choice of Ivan Lendl is the right one
Metro (http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/887887-andrew-castle-andy-murrays-choice-of-ivan-lendl-is-the-right-one)- Andrew Castle: Andy Murray's choice of Ivan Lendl is the right one
That's a relief if Andy Castle thinks so then.............:rolleyes:
Andrew Castle is a loathsome spotted reptile.............
......which is really a slur - on loathsome spotted reptiles!! ;)
You know, we all diss AC, but I recall when we were all in a restaurant there were some (not me) queueing up to hobnob with him and with Greg.
RoastLamb
21-01-2012, 00:35
Andrew Castle is a loathsome spotted reptile.............
......which is really a slur - on loathsome spotted reptiles!! ;)
We so need a LIKE button as well as the THANKS.
You know, we all diss AC, but I recall when we were all in a restaurant there were some (not me) queueing up to hobnob with him and with Greg.
AC can actually be a nicer person (I met him at Birmingham DC and he was pretty cool) but his comments can be *shudders*
Madeline
21-01-2012, 12:14
I see Lendl has taught Andy the "volleying straight at an opponent" tactic. But Andy is too much of a gentleman to do it as hard as Ivan used to! I don't think Ivan ever gave his opponent an apologetic hug afterwards either :)
You know, we all diss AC, but I recall when we were all in a restaurant there were some (not me) queueing up to hobnob with him and with Greg.
:shamed::shamed::shamed: That was before I'd sussed him out!
Mr Lendl fitting in nicely into Team Murray if Judy's tweet is to go by
Lendl n Murray playing Butts Up v Valverdu at Kooyong right now. Boys will be boys.
If I remember right, I think it used to be as a result of forfeits Team Murray did and the loser had to turn around, butt facing the winnershit or serve a ball at someone's derriere like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfslFAZo2-Q I may be wrong though
pippadaisy
22-01-2012, 09:48
You know, we all diss AC, but I recall when we were all in a restaurant there were some (not me) queueing up to hobnob with him and with Greg.
Those were the days eh :lol:
I used to really like AC but he just got too smarmy for me and his comments about oor Andy just took the biscuit
ChrisMac
22-01-2012, 15:13
I have never been much fussed on AC, but now, just cant stand the man, I could even go as far in saying I hate the man! :furious::angry:
Good interview with Lendl here:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7492195
Good interview with Lendl here:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7492195
Thanks for that Jan, I really enjoyed that interview! Lendl is so positive, I think he's going to be really good for Andy. :)
david1610
23-01-2012, 12:09
Yes. That was very insightful. Thanks!
SI_BTBaseline Beyond The Baseline
Fowler says Lendl won't be happy if Murray starts yelling at him in the box. "I can yell back."
SI_BTBaseline Beyond The Baseline
Tremendous trash-talking between BG and Lendl as they joke about playing a match right now on Court 16. Lendl's wit won.
traveller7
23-01-2012, 16:32
This may have been posted before so apoologies but thought it was a great photo
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So Ivan doesnt smile ay?!
VamosVixs
23-01-2012, 17:27
Great interview with Mr Lendl!! :thumbup:
Great interview with Lendl! :thumbup:
Awesome interview with Mr Lendl... Okey, he does smile! :) Really warming to him!
RoastLamb
24-01-2012, 00:00
He didn't answer about dealing with Andy's mental issues though. Interesting.
MurrayAOne
24-01-2012, 00:06
He didn't answer about dealing with Andy's mental issues though. Interesting.
I was really pleased with his reaction to that. No reason for him to discuss it with anyone other than Andy. Too much has been made of it anyway. I like the way he was comfortable and in control.
I was really pleased with his reaction to that. No reason for him to discuss it with anyone other than Andy. Too much has been made of it anyway. I like the way he was comfortable and in control.
I agree. I didn't want him to answer that question publically and he didn't :)
supergran
24-01-2012, 01:10
I don't think we ever need worry about Lendl and the press. He's a very professional, intelligent man who works for Andy and part of his job, as he sees it, is to protect Andy.
I don't think we ever need worry about Lendl and the press. He's a very professional, intelligent man who works for Andy and part of his job, as he sees it, is to protect Andy.
Yes, he's really impressed me. And you feel no matter what, he's on Andy's side looking for the positives to build on. Exciting times!
Yup - nothing but admiration for him. I feel Andy is in a safe pair of hands and the press will only get what Lendl wants them to have. So long live answer avoidance ;)
Andy certainly seems to be very happy and relaxed with Lendl in his corner, I wonder when the interviewers will stop asking him about his new coach though - perhaps by Wimbledon!
Madeline
24-01-2012, 16:06
Nah it will start all over again there!
10sballs (http://www.10sballs.com/2012/01/24/courier-claims-lendl-took-the-murray-job-only-for-the-money/) - Courier Claims Lendl Took the Murray Job Only for the Money
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/9034028/Australian-Open-Ivan-Lendls-tour-return-as-coach-to-Andy-Murray-is-mercenary-claims-Jim-Courier.html)- Australian Open: Ivan Lendl’s tour return as coach to Andy Murray is ‘mercenary’, claims Jim Courier
ESPN (http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/132672.html)- Courier questions timing of Lendl's return
Scottish Daily Record (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis-news/2012/01/24/australian-open-my-work-with-andy-murray-starts-for-real-now-that-he-s-in-quarter-finals-says-ivan-lendl-86908-23714581/) - Australian Open: My work with Andy Murray starts for real now that he's in quarter finals, says Ivan lendl
Daily Record (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis-news/2012/01/24/andy-murray-s-coach-ivan-lendl-delivers-a-verbal-volley-at-jim-courier-over-mercenary-jibe-86908-23714580/) - Andy Murray's coach Ivan Lendl delivers a verbal volley at Jim Courier over 'mercenary' jibe
What an idiot Jim Courier is. Perhaps it's jealousy he couldn't beat Lendl on the court, so now he's coming out with this rubbish.
Courier really doesn't like Lendl does he?
I think like Berdy it runs deeper than somebody smacking a ball at him...
Although when you read everything he said on air he does end it “He was a great champion. I don’t like it when our champions disappear and lose contact with the sport. Now he will be 20-25 weeks on the road. It is great to have him back.”... so maybe a bit of journo licence in there too
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-2090734/Australian-Open-2012-Andy-Murray-big-shout-yells-Ivan-Lendl.html)- Murray is in with a big shout, yells Lendl with Andy set for Nishikori showdown
"'I used to do it this way here, at the French Open and at Flushing Meadows,' said Lendl. 'Any day that you don't come in here it takes less out of you mentally and physically. You don't have people tugging away at you. '
And in the evenings, it's not suffocating. They are not living in each other's pockets.
'Kim (Sears, Murray's girlfriend) is here, they do their own thing for dinner,' revealed Lendl.
'I'm here if he needs me and wants to talk.
'Most of the time I go to the food court, get something to eat and go to bed.'"
Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/fan-cam-is-topped-towelled-by-tennis-great-ivan-lendl/story-fn77kxzt-1226251811490)- Fan cam is topped, towelled by tennis great Ivan Lendl
I'm actually very surprised that Courier came out with this comment - it doesn't really make sense for him to be so contraversial when he is in a high profile position at the AO. Picking a fight with Lendl just doesn't make any sense. Personally, I don't care whether Lendl is in it for the money - surely all coaches are - if he helps Andy to get to where he wants be he is worth every penny!
Very strange. I think there must be something amiss between Courier and Lendl from way back.
Anyway, I'm very happy with Lendl as Andy's coach so far :)
RoastLamb
24-01-2012, 22:17
Courier's probably ticked coz ESPN got the great interview and not Tennis Channel or Channel 7.
I really hope Lendl stays clear of all this - there's no need for him to make any comment about it, and it will soon be forgotten about. Hope he ignores the bait! I think he's handling the media very well so far. Long may it continue.
It'll be interesting to see who's doing Andy's next on court interview! (after he of course beats Nishikori)
I have the feeling this has been a bit of much ado about nothing - seems more like Courier was trying to explain Lendl's absence from the sport and why he was only back coaching now, maybe said some things he shouldn't and the press jumped on it.
It doesn't make any sense for him on the wrong side of Lendl & Murray so early in their relationship cos they'll just shut him out, and he's always poking about the players lounge looking for little stories to ask players about.
But then he's maybe just sore he was never able to take a set off Lendl
Madeline
25-01-2012, 00:10
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now - we all know only too well how the media can twist things, take them out of context and make them sound much worse than they really were.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now - we all know only too well how the media can twist things, take them out of context and make them sound much worse than they really were.
Agreed Madeline. It may well have been a jocular comment that has been blown out of all proportion - much like the Andy/England football thing!
Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/confidential/tennis-great-ivan-lendl-still-teeing-off/story-fn9eu7in-1226254848699) - Tennis great Ivan Lendl still teeing off
Sorry if this has been posted before................http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/7460486/ivan-lendl-andy-murray-project-only-job-lured-retirement
10sballs (http://www.10sballs.com/2012/02/06/ivan-lendl-international-junior-tennis-academy-triples-enrollment/)- Ivan Lendl International Junior Tennis Academy Triples Enrollment
10sballs.com (http://www.10sballs.com/2012/02/07/lendl-opens-his-own-tennis-academy-in-south-carolina/) - Lendl Opens His Own Tennis Academy in South Carolina
Gulf News (http://gulfnews.com/sport/tennis/lendl-link-up-could-elevate-murray-to-top-of-tennis-world-1.977740)- Lendl link-up could elevate Murray to top of tennis world
Sport Review (http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2012/02/british-no1-andy-murray-hails-ivan-lendls-instant-impact/)- British No1 Andy Murray hails Ivan Lendl’s instant impact
http://www.atpworldtour.com/
Ivan Lendl will take a brief pause from coaching Andy Murray to take on his old rivals in the ATP Champions Tour event in Delray Beach from 24-28 february
http://www.atpworldtour.com/
Ivan Lendl will take a brief pause from coaching Andy Murray to take on his old rivals in the ATP Champions Tour event in Delray Beach from 24-28 february
Thanks. Here is the link for the Lendl page with his calendar - http://www.atpchampionstour.com/lendl.html
Ringham7 Richard Ingham Evans
Andy Murray hard at work at Delray Beach. 2 hrs hitting with Jesse Levine then Jez Green has the weight jacket on him for shadow hitting
Lendl well satisfied. 'Andy is a quick learner. He picks up suggestions faster than anyone I have known' That allows time for Ivan's stories
i like the sound of that, from cazza, 'lendl well satisfied. 'Andy is a quick learner. He picks up suggestions faster than anyone I have known' That allows time for Ivan's stories '
didn't andy use to brush off suggestions? really good if he is making lendl an authority figure, and he'll get his money's worth too.
i like the sound of that, from cazza, 'lendl well satisfied. 'Andy is a quick learner. He picks up suggestions faster than anyone I have known' That allows time for Ivan's stories '
didn't andy use to brush off suggestions? really good if he is making lendl an authority figure, and he'll get his money's worth too. Totally agree with you. I think we're in for some very exciting times.
supergran
18-02-2012, 14:29
Sounds good...looking good. I know I'm always optimistic but am allowing myself to be a little more so.
JAMES4578
18-02-2012, 16:43
Yes great to hear, of course it's still a tough era but I'm positive.
From @theslicetweets
Mr. Lendl on Andy: "Maybe it’s surprising, but he’s a lot better than me right now."
awwwwwwwwwwwwww
From @theslicetweets
awwwwwwwwwwwwww
and if he wasn 't I'd be worried!
jeannie13
22-02-2012, 16:39
I like Ivan's sense of humour!!!
Calgary Herald (http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Competitive+juices+still+flow+Lendl+Connors/6187377/story.html) - Competitive juices still flow for Lendl, Connors
"Lendl has seen modern tennis first hand. As the new coach of Scotland’s Andy Murray, the world No. 4-ranked player, he’s been watching, discussing and scouting opponents. He hasn’t, however, practised with Murray to keep sharp for his exhibition matches.
“Maybe it’s surprising, but he’s a lot better than me right now,” said Lendl, whose dry, sarcastic sense of humour is legendary. “My ball is way too slow compared to what he sees on the (ATP) Tour. It wouldn’t be right for him.”
Lendl has been hitting a lot of tennis balls. While in Miami working with Murray between tournaments, he’ll practise while Murray is eating lunch or having a massage between their two daily training sessions."
who was it said 'lunch is for wimps'? and i might add 'raw fish is for seals'.
Correction - lunch is for those who don't want to pass out half way through the afternoon, and raw fish is delicious :big grin:
Sun sentinal (http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-02-23/sports/fl-delray-itc-ivan-lendl-0224-20120223_1_ivan-lendl-novak-djokovic-andy-murray)- Relaxed Lendl enjoying life back on Tour
Lendl reveals unusual coaching schedule with Andy Murray (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/25/ivan-lendl-andy-murray-tennis?CMP=twt_gu)
ESPN (http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/138141.html) - Lendl defends Murray's coaching schedule
Lendl reveals unusual coaching schedule with Andy Murray (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/25/ivan-lendl-andy-murray-tennis?CMP=twt_gu)
ESPN (http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/sport/story/138141.html) - Lendl defends Murray's coaching schedule
Sounds eminently sensible to me.
patmoren
26-02-2012, 09:55
Hoping it brings some good results, definitely a logical approach.
To me it's good that they're thinking about different approaches and sometimes, if you don't try something new, you'll never know if it works or not. Let's hope it does!!
Sporting Life (http://www.sportinglife.com/tennis/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=tennis/12/02/29/TENNIS_Murray.html&BID=553)- LENDL - NO ANDY MURRAY MELTDOWN
Interesting, positive comments from Jerry Solomon, long-time manager of Lendl [in a Neil Harman article in The Times today]:
" I believe it [the relationship] is perfect for both of them," Solomon said. "Ivan knows the ins and outs of the sport and, though he hadn't kept in touch in a traditional way, he maintained a connection. I think Andy has made an excellent choice; if he can apply Ivan's teachings, he'll go far."
:thumbup:
Bob Larson's Tennis News (http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=35603) - Lendl to be Honored in Barcelona in April
Bob Larson's Tennis News (http://www.tennisnews.com/exclusive.php?pID=35603) - Lendl to be Honored in Barcelona in April
Love this article - it has Andy as world number 3!!
guardian, (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/apr/14/andy-murray-ivan-lendl-slam) lendl at play
Early days still, and although Lendl [I think] won't be with Andy at Madrid and Rome, I'm really hopeful that he'll be a positive factor in Andy's corner by the time Roland Garros comes around.
I wish Lendl would just work on Andy's second serve - its consistency, placement and variety. If only he could develop a really good go-to serve which he could rely on in crucial moments - it'd make so much difference to his game and confidence.
Oh well, here's hoping. Fingers crossed.
Sallydaisy
26-05-2012, 13:49
Jonathan Overend @5livetennis (https://twitter.com/#%21/5livetennis)
A nice piece on Lendl by @simonrbriggs (https://twitter.com/#%21/simonrbriggs) http://tgr.ph/JAgTYu (http://t.co/5zagzCh3) the bit about deliberately hugging people when sweaty is very true.
RoastLamb
26-05-2012, 13:55
My hubby does that. Gross!
What I'd like Lendl to do now is to get Andy to stop clutching at his back (or any other body parts)! I do sympathise with Andy as I've got a bad back too, and I've caught myself clutching at it a few times! But doing that doesn't help at all, and it's really turning people against Andy. Even people who used to like him are now complaining about it, saying he only does it when he loses a point (which is true, as I saw today). Again, I understand that because when you're really involved in something and the adrenaline is flowing it does help you to forget about it for a while. So I know it's not Andy's fault, but if he could just stop doing it, then he wouldn't be losing fans over it.
HoopGirl
04-06-2012, 20:23
What I'd like Lendl to do now is to get Andy to stop clutching at his back (or any other body parts)! I do sympathise with Andy as I've got a bad back too, and I've caught myself clutching at it a few times! But doing that doesn't help at all, and it's really turning people against Andy. Even people who used to like him are now complaining about it, saying he only does it when he loses a point (which is true, as I saw today). Again, I understand that because when you're really involved in something and the adrenaline is flowing it does help you to forget about it for a while. So I know it's not Andy's fault, but if he could just stop doing it, then he wouldn't be losing fans over it.
Yes I agree - He often pulls at his clothing and his knee or whatever - I think his back is just the latest.
I agree though people are annoyed with him about it - and it does make him hard to read - does he have backache or not???
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 20:42
What I'd like Lendl to do now is to get Andy to stop clutching at his back (or any other body parts)! I do sympathise with Andy as I've got a bad back too, and I've caught myself clutching at it a few times! But doing that doesn't help at all, and it's really turning people against Andy. Even people who used to like him are now complaining about it, saying he only does it when he loses a point (which is true, as I saw today). Again, I understand that because when you're really involved in something and the adrenaline is flowing it does help you to forget about it for a while. So I know it's not Andy's fault, but if he could just stop doing it, then he wouldn't be losing fans over it.
I think that may be very low on the list of priorities. So what if he touches his back.He's perfectly entitled to and doesn't need to explain himself. The crowd having a reaction to someone touching their back? What's that all about?!! More likley the winning position he was in. He handled it perfectly. As you were Andy.
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 20:45
The Oz commie today was complaining about it as well. He's crying wolf too many times - so it would appear. I personally think he must have something wrong and he needs more time to get himself warmed up and into the match so it doesn't bother me too much.
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 20:47
The Oz commie today was complaining about it as well. He's crying wolf too many times - so it would appear. I personally think he must have something wrong and he needs more time to get himself warmed up and into the match so it doesn't bother me too much.
The ludicrous things that are said and written never fail to amaze.Total ignorance.
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 20:49
I can see where they're coming from. But I laugh at ESPN when Brad, Chris and Darren are commentating because they totally get Andy. They're the only ones imho.
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 20:53
I can see where they're coming from. But I laugh at ESPN when Brad, Chris and Darren are commentating because they totally get Andy. They're the only ones imho.
Can you tell me where they are coming from because I have no idea whatsoever.
That's exactly it, the crying wolf. He's been grabbing at various body parts over the years, so nobody believes that he really has an injury now. Just like the boy who kept crying wolf.
I really hate this 'cos I hate to see people turning against Andy. I really wish he could stop it.
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 20:56
I agree with Linda on this one. I mean, I'm sure he's clutching his back because it really bothers him but it makes him look like he's making it all up when he goes on to win the match. A bit like Djokovic always looking really cream crackered, gulping down the air as if he's on his last legs. You think he's out but wait...
That's exactly it! And it annoys us when Nole does it, doesn't it! So it annoys everyone else when Andy does it! Oh Andy, please stop it!
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 21:09
That's exactly it! And it annoys us when Nole does it, doesn't it! So it annoys everyone else when Andy does it! Oh Andy, please stop it!
What?!! I can't believe this reasoning?!!! Do we know Andy by now or not? Raostlamb you said it yourself when you said I'm sure he's clutching his back because it bothers him. So that's the end of it. If some think it's not bothering him so what? And even if it's not it may be just a habbit.Again so what? Cry Wolf? I can't think of a more inappropriate phrase to put at Andy's door. That suggests he is intentionally trying to play act for effect- and quite frankly - I'm sure he could not be bothered. He's too busy playing the game and hitting winners. I cannot believe this furore over 'touching his back'. If you read that last sentence again you should see why. It's ludicrous and I'm sad that it wasn't just the French crowd.
or maybe tennis and particullar for the top guys is an arduoius sport, maybe just maybe andy has had niggles all those times and here is a crazy idea perhaps if he was more like say nadal;) he would learn to call the trainer at the drop of a hat. wasnt so long ago nadal was being accussed of gamemanship against andy by demanding a trainer between games(not during a change of ends) to me winging about a niggle is the lesser of the two evels this of course is my own humble opinion :p
I dont care what he grabs !!!
And maybe some of you wont like me saying this but it is NO DIFFERENT from Nadal and all the things he grabs and touches .
These guys all have idiosyncrasies .
Sure hes had back issues , but like you have said , hes always done it , so if people arent gonna like him because of that , then who cares.
All I want is the best for Andy. And when I see people on Twitter and other forums, who used to support Andy, now slating him for this, and it's something that he could stop doing, I wish he would stop it.
Linda , dont let them bother you , Im sure Andy couldnt care less.
If it wasnt this , it would be something else I think.
and now Im off to enjoy my spaghetti & meatball dinner , and toast a glass of wine to Andys wonderful win today
DaveArneRiise
04-06-2012, 21:19
I dont care what he grabs !!!
And maybe some of you wont like me saying this but it is NO DIFFERENT from Nadal and all the things he grabs and touches .
These guys all have idiosyncrasies .
Sure hes had back issues , but like you have said , hes always done it , so if people arent gonna like him because of that , then who cares.
Indeed, I mean damn Andy for touching his back (part of his body which troubled him over the years) It's just a human thing to do. Just to reassure yourself that it's ok. Just natural instinct stuff, nothing cynical about it at all.
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 21:20
It's nothing like Rafa picking at his bum. Rafa's not acting like he has an injury. Mind you, I don't think for one minute Andy is acting. I think it's genuine. Shame the commies can't see that.
All I want is the best for Andy. And when I see people on Twitter and other forums, who used to support Andy, now slating him for this, and it's something that he could stop doing, I wish he would stop it.but that means you buy into the nonsense that he is some how making it up and believe me we have all seen how the media works if they say summit enough times then people start to let it soak in and start taking it as truth
for me the one thing no one should be able to say about andy is he isnt one of the hardest workers on tour if that means he is prone to carrying little niggles then so be it
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 21:25
All I want is the best for Andy. And when I see people on Twitter and other forums, who used to support Andy, now slating him for this, and it's something that he could stop doing, I wish he would stop it.
That's their problem.
Maybe I'm being over protective then. But it hurts me when people criticise Andy. :sad:
Maybe I'm being over protective then. But it hurts me when people criticise Andy. :sad:used to bug me but its there lose, im quite happy with the lad he is the most successful Brit of my lifetime and im quite proud of the fact i have followed him all the way
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 22:03
That's the thing! He's by far the best tennis player to ever come out of GB (since Fred Perry) and all people do is criticise. Makes my blood boil so it does.
Well, of course, he's the best British player of my lifetime too! That's why I wish everyone could see that, and why I wish he wouldn't do anything to stop anyone seeing that!
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 22:13
But his tennis should show that above and beyond all the other stuff - it certainly did today. I thought he was brilliant! The other stuff just drags him down. Not fair is it?
No, it's not fair at all :sad:
Well, of course, he's the best British player of my lifetime too! That's why I wish everyone could see that, and why I wish he wouldn't do anything to stop anyone seeing that!im sorry i dont mean to be insulting but that crazy talk :p we all knowthat people will come up with all sorts of **** to diss andy some are dedicated ABM brigade, other just take part in the great british past time of celebrity bashing and to add to that i am seeing more and more folk fall into some weird disappointment that andy hasn't fulfilled there expectation of him
Well, that is something else that gets my goat too. People who seem to be fans but then slag him off when he loses. Like someone you no doubt remember who used to be a member of the old forum. That is not a true fan in my book.
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 22:26
and to add to that i am seeing more and more folk fall into some weird disappointment that andy hasn't fulfilled there expectation of him
Don't get me started on that! That's even worse!!!
Well, that is something else that gets my goat too. People who seem to be fans but then slag him off when he loses. Like someone you no doubt remember who used to be a member of the old forum. That is not a true fan in my book.hmmm i particularly like the fact that ***** spouted on sanctimoniously about people slagging andy, forgetting we have seen the drivel he wrote about Andy when it suited him
RoastLamb
04-06-2012, 22:35
I don't know who you're talking about. Memory is not that great.
But I do know that I just feel very lucky to be alive at the same time as this talented player so I can enjoy him. He's really brought so much joy into my life, more than any other before and probably after. (Well, maybe I can put Rafa up there too.)
Quite honestly I couldn't care less which parts of his body Andy clutches, rubs or massages as long as he serves up the wonderful sort of tennis that we saw this afternoon. I'm just relishing the next 5 years or so that we have to enjoy it - although I hope it's longer - it certainly won't be the same when he's gone!
MurrayAOne
04-06-2012, 22:57
Quite honestly I couldn't care less which parts of his body Andy clutches, rubs or massages as long as he serves up the wonderful sort of tennis that we saw this afternoon. I'm just relishing the next 5 years or so that we have to enjoy it - although I hope it's longer - it certainly won't be the same when he's gone!
Absolutely spot on!!!!!!!!
traveller7
04-06-2012, 23:29
Here, here
I used to support Henman when he was our number 1 and I remember exactly the same sort of media and moans about him, sadly our media like to build people up just to strike them down again. I would never want to be famous!
I dont care what he grabs !!!
And maybe some of you wont like me saying this but it is NO DIFFERENT from Nadal and all the things he grabs and touches .
These guys all have idiosyncrasies .
Sure hes had back issues , but like you have said , hes always done it , so if people arent gonna like him because of that , then who cares.
This is spot on. Why are we going on & on about him touching his back a couple of times in this match. Really, if people don't like it, so be it. Everyone of the top guys does something at some time that someone doesn't like. Trying to say you wish he wouldn't do it, why worry about these idiots who will find ANYTHING to use against him. If it's not his back, it is he doesn't smile enough, he does this or that etc etc etc. The fact is that today he played some great tennis and he won the match. The things we don't like are far outweighed by the joy we get, the majority of the time, by being a true fan of a great British player.
patmoren
05-06-2012, 06:17
Remember thst criticism is the sincerest form of flattery!!!!
Remember thst criticism is the sincerest form of flattery!!!!what a horrible post ;):p
Yes one of the commies said Andy can't do right for doing wrong and I think that sums it up. If it wasn't one thing it would be another. Best way to shut them all up would be to win a slam and/or get to #1 - then who'd care what they think?
LC the fan
05-06-2012, 10:02
Quite honestly I couldn't care less which parts of his body Andy clutches, rubs or massages as long as he serves up the wonderful sort of tennis that we saw this afternoon. I'm just relishing the next 5 years or so that we have to enjoy it - although I hope it's longer - it certainly won't be the same when he's gone!
Spot on Alis ! After 50 years of watching tennis I was losing interest a little and Andy revived my love for the game.
Yes, its a pity that he tends to clutch body parts (I have to admit mainly after lost points rather than great shots) but - hey -so be it.
Rafa has his own 'touch bum, ears, hair' ritual Djoko bounces the ball to irritation levels - all part of the rich tapestry of the game.
Its a pity they cant find something worthwhile to consider and contribute to - but they never will
JAMES4578
05-06-2012, 13:04
It seems me that Andy has a few fairweather supporters who easily find fault and they are probably not worth bothering about. Disappointing that that some people are following the line of some of the "critics". I just think we should concentrate on Andy's tennis which should entertain his all and of course his engaging personality. Of course everyone won't appreciate it, but so be it. There will be up and downs along the way and obviously constructive criticism is welcome but I don't find any fault with Andy on this particular issue.
I was very upset the other day because, apart from the comments on Twitter, a good friend of mine who is very knowledgeable about tennis seemed to be turning against Andy, although she has always supported him in the past. However she has just said some very nice things to me about Andy after this match, so I'm feeling much happier now. Sorry to have burdened you all with my feelings.
I was very upset the other day because, apart from the comments on Twitter, a good friend of mine who is very knowledgeable about tennis seemed to be turning against Andy, although she has always supported him in the past. However she has just said some very nice things to me about Andy after this match, so I'm feeling much happier now. Sorry to have burdened you all with my feelings.everyone is apologizing to me tonight, excellent
Just saw this on Facebook :rolling:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151023819844920&set=a.335973479919.151028.196363369919&type=1&theater
Just saw this on Facebook :rolling:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151023819844920&set=a.335973479919.151028.196363369919&type=1&theater
:rofl:
Remember thst criticism is the sincerest form of flattery!!!!
I think you mean that 'imitation' is the sincerest form of flattery - I can't see how 'criticism' can fill that role!
DaveArneRiise
12-09-2012, 14:10
Proved to be a very effective partnership!
Yes one of the commies said Andy can't do right for doing wrong and I think that sums it up. If it wasn't one thing it would be another. Best way to shut them all up would be to win a slam and/or get to #1 - then who'd care what they think?
One down, one to go!!
DaveArneRiise
12-09-2012, 20:48
One down, one to go!!
It's been nearly 24 hours since a Brit one a grand slam :angry: :rolleyes:
KnightOwl
12-09-2012, 20:52
It's been nearly 24 hours since a Brit one a grand slam :angry: :rolleyes:
:rolling:
Most comments so far have rightly focused on Lendl. The key thing here IMHO though is the change in ANDY's attitude here.
He has accepted that a world class player can benefit from world class experience. He does not have to take on the whole world, or, at least, take on the whole word without somebody in his box at his level.
He can go on court to play a GS final now and look up with respect to his box. Somebody who has done it, many times, who has chosen to join Andy in his box because he believes Andy can do great things. At the deciding moments of these great matches, just maybe Andy will not be giving grief to but receiving inspiration from his box.
been reading this thread again, and was struck by this prophetic post from david 1610, in the distant past
and i want to bring in this slightly hysterical, but in a good way, post from jon overend, re role of lendl (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jonathanoverend/2012/09/the_night_the_challenger_becam.html)
sample quote - '""I feel very relieved, happy, proud and also very tired..."
Every now and then he would smile, keen to confirm this was, indeed, the best moment of his life, but otherwise this was the classic case of the man needing time for it to sink in.
He munched on a salad and took a call from home. Coach Ivan Lendl hugged him, shared a quiet word and then walked off. "Well done Ivan," I called out. "He won it, not me" was the response, with a smile."
yes, we are talking about the first GS for andy.
andy said that lendl advised him how to play the final, he should enjoy it! as if! but that playing in the final was what he had been building towards all his life. (and the more finals he played, the more he could relax and enjoy it)
and, to me, andy's demenour does show a new found calm,serenity, confidence, control. i was amazed to read him confessing that he lacked self belief. odd that we all believe he can do it, whatever, but he doesn't, or didn't.
and i loved him talking to lendl about what he was afraid of,after winning. that he would change, but he didn't want to. lendl assured him he wouldn't change, - you just get better tables in restaurants, and you get to play for free on all the best golf courses.
and today, andy's talking about his love of walls icecream.
i think his horizons are too low, he should wake up and smell the coffee soon, agreed?
its weird how people see what they wanna see, since lendil turned up all you ever hear about is andy being calmer on court
yet during his win in NY andy was just about as vocal as ever, even calling himself an erm shall we say feffing richard, but as we know he won so no one sees it
i have always thought people have put the cart before the horse with andys behavior on court but that may well just be me
hi -J-, eye of the beholder, as you say. interesting that andy now looks up to his box to see lendl, being stolid, stone face etc. calm, even.
so he may now aspire to calm, serenity, control etc but not got there yet.
another innovation, lendl has introduced andy to alexis castorri, a sports psychologist.
telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9539324/Andy-Murray-refuses-to-be-sucked-into-celebrity-vacuum-despite-his-raised-profile-after-US-Open-triumph.html)piece about their work together
wrong article, but see below
second attempt to import the telegraph article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/9605711/The-psychologist-who-Andy-Murray-put-on-winning-path-to-US-Open-success.html)
sample quote " “I have never found Andy gloomy,” said Castorri, who speaks to Murray every two or three weeks and meets him whenever he visits his American base in Miami.
“I love working with him: he’s a delightful, sensitive, happy, funny, sensitive young man. And he was completely open with me from the first conversation.”
andy has made more off court changes than we knew, not just a new coach, mr lendl, but a psychlogist, alexis castorri, and the 3 of them, and the fitness crew have combined really well this year - wimbledon final, olympic gold medal, and the first grand slam.
has something finally clicked into place for andy?
Craig Gabriel @crosscourt1
How about this picture i came across? The guy wasn't a bad player & is now trying his hand at coaching @IvanLendlIJTA https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7B66RdCQAA0R4u.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7B66RdCQAA0R4u.jpg
picture from twitter
Note that Lendl has a twitter account for his academy - @IvanLendlIJTA
Lendl podcast with tennis.com - http://www.lendltennis.com/blogs/70/
I'm sure Lendl had a very slight smile on his face at one point today.
Golden Lady
08-11-2012, 10:21
The Petchey interview with Lendl just before yesterday's match as shown was priceless! When asked "do you like the 'show' aspect of this tournament, all the razzamatazz"?, Lendl replied "Well I just can't stop dancing". His answers were short, witty and Petchey was in stitches at the end. He was also asked about the strategy for yesterday's match, "to win the last point' was his reply. Loved it!
lendl sees himself working with andy for the rest of his career, andy's career that is. and he has plans to improve andy's play.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/20363282)
sample quote ~"despite Murray's success, the 52-year-old Czech-born coach says the player is only at 20% of where he wants him to be"
Did I see a tear in Lendl's eye when the Czeck Republic won today?
Emotional Mr Lendl http://t.co/4NGNPaw4
Emotional Mr Lendl http://t.co/4NGNPaw4
Lovely - he should smile more!!
Let's hope that Andy gives him lots to smile about next year!
This was posted on the newspaper thread but belongs here too
10sballs (http://www.10sballs.com/2012/11/19/ivan-lendl-honored-with-davis-cup-award-of-excellence/) - Ivan Lendl Honored With Davis Cup Award Of Excellence
supergran
20-11-2012, 13:46
Ah..well deserved. Always liked Lendl and still do!!:thumbup:
andy is settling in for 'boot camp' before indian wells, miami
i think he is as fit and fast as he needs to be, winning will come thro smarter play.
djo said that in the third and fourth sets in melbourne he tried to play more aggressively and shorten the points.
that's the way to go. andy is a better player in many ways than djo, he reads the game better and has more shots.
i'd like him to work on the second serve, it's not the liability it once was, but why not treat every serve as a first serve, dfs or no, until he has a winning second serve.
i expect lendl has plans for andy's development now, they must both be so pleased that andy now feels confident in his ability and his worthiness to play in a slam final l
I'd like to see him ghost into the net a lot more to shorten points when he sends those thundering shots to the baseline and gets a "floater" back.
yes, that's the sort of smart play which will be the way to win against djo
lendl laughs (http://http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/21967941)
two more wins needed to keep him happy. andy just beat cilic and plays gasquet friday in the semi in miami
Madeline
29-03-2013, 09:33
I couldn't get that link to work: but if you delete the "http" at the start, it does.
sorry about that, but the same item, and a similar, have been posted on the newspapers thread
Take it lots of you saw this yesterday on Twitter?
robstewart @robstewart 9 Apr
#lendl pic.twitter.com/JRi0TRPZWn :laugh::rolling:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHatnF8CEAIFeti.jpg
hfwardhouse
11-04-2013, 17:01
Oh my ... is this a forfeit?!
after winning the wimbledon title, andy has spoken quite a bit about lendl, in fact dedicated? the win to him; and he also said "I think he believed in me when a lot of people didn't. He stuck by me through some tough losses in the last couple of years. He's been very patient with me." which I think is interesting - it never occurred to me that andy could have seemed such a risk as far as lendl was concerned, that he (lendl) would perhaps lose credibility if andy failed. comments?
Yes, of course it was a risk for Lendl, to come out of retirement to take up coaching - he could have ended up looking a bit silly if it hadn't worked out.
RoastLamb
09-07-2013, 21:06
He's ended up looking really good. Even Jimmy Connors was impressed (if you read his tweet after Andy's win on Sudany, he congratulated Ivan). Jimmy Connors looked a wee bit silly when he coached Roddick. Roddick's game went down.
yes, of course, you're right. I was just thinking is lendl going to be good enough for what andy needs, lendl has no relevant coaching record etc
traveller7
10-07-2013, 15:47
He seems to be doing a good job thus far he also has been in Andys position of being in finals and not winning. Andy has won 2 finals and been in 4 in the past year alone. Also Ivan lets him figure out stratagies with Dan and then intervenes if needed on his take on the opponent etc he has also helped the mental attitude.
So all in all I think he is good enough and so does Andy.
yes, of course, you're right. I was just thinking is lendl going to be good enough for what andy needs, lendl has no relevant coaching record etc
He does now !!!!
dug this out of the ATP site, Ivan Lendl as world no1, to put the guy in context. and he both smiles and loses his temper (only a bit) (http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2013/07/31/Heritage-1985-1989-No-1-Lendl.aspx)
LC the fan
03-08-2013, 15:03
He does now !!!!
AB SO LUTE LY in spades
For discussion of Lendl coaching Andy.
I for one would hate to see Andy going back with Ivan the terrible :p
RosieBear
26-07-2016, 19:04
I for one would hate to see Andy going back with Ivan the terrible :p
You can rest easy J, he's already appointed Ivan the Great:p
lovetennis
26-07-2016, 19:17
I find the whole Lendl-Andy dynamic totally fascinating. The instant success of the resumption of the partnership makes it even more intriguing. I think it is far more about the mental aspect of the game than practical tactics or technique. When Andy's playing days are over (long way off hopefully) I would love to hear the inside story from both sides, and also a sports psychologist's view on it
Just like the Daily Mail, we're pretending the Amelie years never happened. ;)
I'm convinced Andy would have won Wimbledon this year with or without Lendl.
I'm convinced Andy would have won Wimbledon this year with or without Lendl.exactly and although I won't go as far as saying we where robbed it's sad we never got the chance to find out, anyhow on wards and upwards cmon ivandy
I have always had the view that if Lendl works for Mr M then that's good enough for me. I would have been sticking little pins into an effigy of Lendl had he gone on to coach somebody like Berdych straight after finishing with him, but he didn't. When all is said and done Andy Murray's name appears on that Wimbledon honours board twice (so far....), and Lendl's name not at all.
lovetennis
26-07-2016, 19:46
I'm convinced Andy would have won Wimbledon this year with or without Lendl.
I agree, once the split with Amelie was announced Andy seemed to turn a corner. I think Andy kind of acknowledged that he would have won anyway when he said in the post match interview "he's just lucky" about Lendl, but I do think Lendl gives him something he's not found elsewhere.
themass15
26-07-2016, 20:09
I think Lendl gives Andy that extra bit of confidence that is needed to win Slams & major events.
Josephine
26-07-2016, 22:18
I agree, once the split with Amelie was announced Andy seemed to turn a corner. I think Andy kind of acknowledged that he would have won anyway when he said in the post match interview "he's just lucky" about Lendl, but I do think Lendl gives him something he's not found elsewhere.
Think that is a bit of a misunderstanding about Andy's sense of humour!!
Every word Andy has said about Lendl since they reunited has been 100% positive and stating that he does bring that extra something. If it is only confidence and belief then that is enough. We will never know if he would have won Wimbledon this year without Lendl, but all we do know is he won it with him in his camp. And good news that is!
david1610
27-07-2016, 14:05
The next step is for Andy to beat Nole in a slam - which given their rankings will be a final! I too think Andy could have done it against Nole at Wimbledon this year.
I also have a gut feeling Andy may do that this year at the ATP Tour Finals!
RosieBear
27-07-2016, 14:36
Think that is a bit of a misunderstanding about Andy's sense of humour!!
Every word Andy has said about Lendl since they reunited has been 100% positive and stating that he does bring that extra something. If it is only confidence and belief then that is enough. We will never know if he would have won Wimbledon this year without Lendl, but all we do know is he won it with him in his camp. And good news that is!
Completely agree, Josephine. The 'he's just lucky' comment to Sue B was about Lendl not giving anything away while watching, Andy ribbing Lendl that his pokerface is luck not skill. The wins coming with Lendl are definitely not coincidence or luck. I'm totally with you - couldn't care less about what would have happened if they hadn't reunited, just delighted they did get back together and Andy did win Wimbledon again!
thank you cazza99 for reviving this thread. since there has been a long gap in the record I would like to record the history of Andy's coaches.
starting at home with Judy, Andy's mother, then Leon Smith - had he any experience of playing or coaching?, Mark Petchey - ditto,
then the Spanish Academy -Casal?, next Brad Gilbert - paid for by the LTA?, on a 3year very expensive contract - who taught Andy that winning was the name of the game, and winning ugly was WINNING.
Andy ducked out of Brad's coaching - tho Brad used the rest of his contract to coach any brits as wished- gey few I believe
By now (date?) Andy must have had his own money to employ a coach Miles Mclagan (and the rest of the team - Jez Green, Matt Little (Treacle) Andy Ireland, Dani Vallverdu, Rob Stewart etc?)
Then Alex Correja, taken on to help with the clay season, but he stayed and Miles left, because Miles, Andy and Alex could not sort out the pecking order.
then a coachless period, working with Dani, and with Treacle and Jez on fitness
Was that when Mr Lendl first worked with Andy? which was revolutionary in itself, the first of the llegends of the game etc
In that year 2012 Andy lost to FedX in his first Wimbledon final, (and cried, and became popular with the English, nowt so queer as folk) and then beat Fedx to win the gold medal in the Olympics, and his first Slam in the US
In 2013 Andy won Wimbledon, telling Ivan he was happy to have helped him out, as Lendl never won it on his own.
Later that year, after losing early in the US Slam Andy had the surgery on his back, in September, lost in the Australian slam in 2014, failed to agree terms with Mr Lendl so they parted company, a split which Andy described as 'devastating' (source?) tho they remained on good terms.
Andy seems to have remained on good terms, indeed in contact with many of his coaches and team members - including Dani? Jez? does anyone know?
then, 2014, Andy appointed Amelie Mauresmo, which was another groundbreaking move, Amelie is a woman. they worked together through a difficult year as Andy regained his fitness. Amelie had a baby 2015, Andy dedicated one win to her on the day.. But they subsequently split, failure to agree terms, failure to button the lip.
when was this please?
and then the return of Mr Lendl, a clay final and a second Wimbledon W, what's not to like.
next up is the Olympics.
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LC the fan
27-07-2016, 14:59
Well, pretty accurate except that you missed a quite important win in 2013 !!!! Wimbledon !! Then came the back surgery.
Yes, think Andy has retained good relations with all his ex coaches, Dani was at his wedding as was Carlos for whom he had such nice words after his win against Milos. Andy values, and indeed inspires loyalty.
Hence .the return of Lendl
The next step is for Andy to beat Nole in a slam - which given their rankings will be a final! I too think Andy could have done it against Nole at Wimbledon this year.
I also have a gut feeling Andy may do that this year at the ATP Tour Finals!
What about the US Open first??!! I share your feeling that Andy would still have won Wimbledon this year even if it had been Nole in the final.
oh, right, would you correct the later part of my post please
i'll edit my post
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For me, the real test will be against Nole. Andy should have and did defeat Raonic in the Wimbly final and I think he'd have done that with or without Lendl. I do think Lendl brings a mental thing though. As for Nole - well in Rogers cup, he's just emphatically beaten Steps whilst apparently, (according to the commies) not being on top form - without dropping a set........something Andy has not been able to do twice this year. So, is there still a gulf? We shall see and hopefully before too long. Bring it on.
Steps didn't play well last night - he had chances that he just didn't capitalise on. Having watched both Djoko's matches, I agree with the commies - he's not on his best form but he hasn't had to be ...... yet. I think he looks drawn.
Steps didn't play well last night - he had chances that he just didn't capitalise on. Having watched both Djoko's matches, I agree with the commies - he's not on his best form but he hasn't had to be ...... yet. I think he looks drawn.
Interesting. I couldn't stay awake long enough to watch that match but I was really curious to find out if Steps could trouble Nole the way he had Andy. Thank you. Curiosity satisfied!
I do think we will get a chance to see lendal and murray take on Borris and djoko in th is open final. Or at least I hope so, and it will be a second major of the year for Andy. After his gold of course
Is this significant?
Take a look at @stu_fraser's Tweet: https://twitter.com/stu_fraser/status/787207445495951360?s=09
I thought for one horrible moment it was news of an ending of the partnership.
RosieBear
15-10-2016, 13:46
Fantastic news on the future of Ivandy.15-20 weeks seems perfect for them both. Just a shame Andy didn't take the 18 week offer instead of splitting in 2014, but maybe he felt he needed more weeks back then. Oh well, main thing is they reunited and will carry on the winning partnership.
LC the fan
15-10-2016, 14:29
Must say that did look worse than it was when you read it through. It also means that Ivan's influence is playing a part in the superb tennis that Andy is playing at the moment - albeit through Jamie D
I wonder if Lendl is coming over for the seniors thing at The Albert Hall? Either way it looks like Mr M and Mr L have worked out what is possible for them both. Just because Mr M hasn't spoken to Lendl, doesn't mean Jamie D hasn't. Also if there is only a limited amount if time, why waste it when things are firing?
LC the fan
15-10-2016, 15:26
the Daily Mail has Andy saying that Jamie speaks to Ivan most days
Well we would expect the DM to know, wouldn't we?! ;)
LC the fan
15-10-2016, 17:04
To be honest I don't care too much who speaks to whom, when and what they say if the result is Andy playing the way he is at the moment
To be honest I don't care too much who speaks to whom, when and what they say if the result is Andy playing the way he is at the moment
Absolutely. They seem to have a system that's working very well.
themass15
15-10-2016, 17:28
Andy seems to be fine without Ivan at present.
The Mail article - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-3838845/Andy-Murray-continues-fine-recent-form-Shanghai-praises-support-Jamie-Delgado-following-flawless-quarter-final-win-David-Goffin.html
ATP...Ivan Lendl: The Constant Gardener.........interesting read.....http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/ivan-lendl-remembers-masters-1980s-murray
RosieBear
08-11-2016, 19:14
ATP...Ivan Lendl: The Constant Gardener.........interesting read.....http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/ivan-lendl-remembers-masters-1980s-murray
Thanks Lynne, great article. Lendl was my brother's fave growing up, so I've always followed him closely. Perhaps that's why I have always seen the almost spooky parallels and similarities between him and Andy, which go far, far beyond the lost first 4 finals things. Both perfectionists always looking to better themselves, initially coached by strong mothers, completely misunderstood by the vast majority of people (and Lendl remains so on here imo).
I totally agree with the opening salvo of the piece.... tennis can never be fully mastered, and there is always something to learn...which is why I have never understood why some people take the 'what can anyone teach Andy about tennis' stance when it comes to his coaches. The answer is the right person can teach him a lot. I'm glad Andy sees it that way too. Always learning. Siempre pa'lante!
Reposting the article Bardot posted on the newspaper thread. Paul Anacone saying great things about Jamie Delgado.
ESPN (http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_/id/17991323/how-andy-murray-benefited-ivan-lendl-absence) - "How Andy Murray has benefited from Ivan Lendl's absence" Or another way of saying, it's all down to Jamie Delgado.
"Jamie has done a great job and should receive a huge amount of credit -- his contribution on a daily basis is invaluable," said Annacone.
"Not only is he a guiding light, he is the radar, antenna and evaluator of all things in the environment -- this is what enables Ivan to be effective. Jamie has a very difficult job and manages it extremely well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0a8nMWgAAjyu-.jpg
If Lendl wins he'll send Jamie Delgado to pick up the trophy on his behalf. :p He's used to doing all the heavy lifting. ;)
Such a pity that it isn't a joint nomination for Ivan/Jamie.
wonder if the interloper would have the brass neck to take it if he won it ;)
Thanks Lynne, great article. Lendl was my brother's fave growing up, so I've always followed him closely. Perhaps that's why I have always seen the almost spooky parallels and similarities between him and Andy, which go far, far beyond the lost first 4 finals things. Both perfectionists always looking to better themselves, initially coached by strong mothers, completely misunderstood by the vast majority of people (and Lendl remains so on here imo).
I totally agree with the opening salvo of the piece.... tennis can never be fully mastered, and there is always something to learn...which is why I have never understood why some people take the 'what can anyone teach Andy about tennis' stance when it comes to his coaches. The answer is the right person can teach him a lot. I'm glad Andy sees it that way too. Always learning. Siempre pa'lante!
Some really good points here RB .... and made me think. Lendl probably is misunderstood by many including me! I was never a fan and when you're not a fan of someone, you don't take the time to find out about them in the same way. I guess the same could be said for many on here about Novak or Federer. One thing is clear to me though, and that is the fact that Andy has come on leaps and bounds since he re-appointed Lendl. Even Andy has said though that a huge amount of credit should go to Jamie Delgado not just to Lendl. Mr L can stay though ... ;) :laugh:
M ark Petchey had a chat with Lendl after the doubles. He obviously gave zero away, but the message seemed to be that the break with Murray was due to Lendl's joints. Now he has had the hips done he feels much better, is up to travelling, and so was quite happy to resume the partnership.
Those of us who have had duff hips can understand.
I would have been ratty with Lendl if he had gone to Berdych, but I can never forget the fact that he gave Mr M what he needed to get over the line to get those first and second GS trophies in his hands. Without them I think Mr M would have considered himself to be a failure.
RosieBear
21-11-2016, 17:25
Andy's on the top of the world lookin' down on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is the wins that he's found ever since Lendl's* been around
His wins put him at the top of the world :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
* And Delgado.
Cannot wait for a full Ivandy year in 2017 - honestly believe that Andy will be virtually unstoppable and can become the first male (open era) player to do the grand slam year. Watch this space....
themass15
21-11-2016, 17:33
Ivan being back in his corner has certainly made a huge difference, even if he hasn't been present at many tournaments. What a difference six months made an that is almost the time he has been back in Andy's corner.
Andy's on the top of the world lookin' down on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is the wins that he's found ever since Lendl's* been around
His wins put him at the top of the world :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
* And Delgado.
Cannot wait for a full Ivandy year in 2017 - honestly believe that Andy will be virtually unstoppable and can become the first male (open era) player to do the grand slam year. Watch this space....
cant say I'm taken by this Ivandy character always preferred JIvandy,;)
On a serious note always had a feeling andy would be the guy to hold all slam titles as well Olympic gold medal at the same time we have three more years to see if it happens
Andy's on the top of the world lookin' down on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is the wins that he's found ever since Lendl's* been around
His wins put him at the top of the world :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
* And Delgado.
Cannot wait for a full Ivandy year in 2017 - honestly believe that Andy will be virtually unstoppable and can become the first male (open era) player to do the grand slam year. Watch this space....
That's one hell of a hope RB, you might be putting all your begs in one ask it.
#"I HAVE A DREAM"
Love the top bit though.
:clap::clap::clap:
RosieBear
21-11-2016, 19:44
That's one hell of a hope RB, you might be putting all your begs in one ask it.
#"I HAVE A DREAM"
Love the top bit though.
:clap::clap::clap:
Well Jags, Andy will obviously go after the Aussie and the French like a man possessed, as they are the "missing" slams. When a confident, fit Andy sets his sights on something I don't believe any player can stop him...if he gets those two he's not only halfway there, he gets that air of invisibility that Novak cultivated ...would just leave the two slams he *knows* he can win... would be almost rude not to...:rolling:..I'm not usually a betting person, but think I might have a little flutter.
david1610
21-11-2016, 20:59
Ivan being back in his corner has certainly made a huge difference, even if he hasn't been present at many tournaments. What a difference six months made an that is almost the time he has been back in Andy's corner.
Andy himself has said that he good a massive boost knowing Ivan was willing to come back.
Seems to me Jamie and Ivan seem to blend together ver well (as much as we can tell!).
Well Jags, Andy will obviously go after the Aussie and the French like a man possessed, as they are the "missing" slams. When a confident, fit Andy sets his sights on something I don't believe any player can stop him...if he gets those two he's not only halfway there, he gets that air of invisibility that Novak cultivated ...would just leave the two slams he *knows* he can win... would be almost rude not to...:rolling:..I'm not usually a betting person, but think I might have a little flutter.
You go for it hope you win a shed load.
A guy I do a lot of work for found out about Lynne I going to the DS final.
He called me in July and told me to bet Andy being No.1 before the year
end, telling me he had a substantial bet on it himself.
I told him I couldn't possibly Ex Andy like that, I'm just not lucky when it
comes to gambling. I'm very lucky in lots of other ways so hay ho.
So you go for it, and everyone else do the same safe in the knowledge that I
won't mess it up and bet on him myself.
:whistle:
Andy's on the top of the world lookin' down on creation
And the only explanation I can find
Is the wins that he's found ever since Lendl's* been around
His wins put him at the top of the world :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
* And Delgado.
Cannot wait for a full Ivandy year in 2017 - honestly believe that Andy will be virtually unstoppable and can become the first male (open era) player to do the grand slam year. Watch this space....
Brilliant RB! Like you, I think the calendar slam is definitely on now. For sure Andy is going for the Aussie and French to complete the career set, and I think if he gets both of those in 2017 then that steely look will be in his eye for the calendar slam. Bring it on! Can't wait.
themass15
22-11-2016, 17:27
Andy himself has said that he good a massive boost knowing Ivan was willing to come back.
Seems to me Jamie and Ivan seem to blend together ver well (as much as we can tell!).
I am so pleased Andy has a happy team again which is so far away from this time last year, when they sat up in the Gods.
Oh I really hope you're all right.
Everything crossed.
Rosalind
26-11-2016, 20:48
Whatever it is that Lendl adds, I love it. If he just has to sit like a pudding and rush to the toilet at the end, that's ok. Andy does so much better when he is around. He does seem a bit of a "character" to me but who knows what he is really like and he just seems to have what it takes to help out at the most important times. Wonderful that he's back. :bravo:
RosieBear
16-01-2017, 20:17
'Andy Murray admits the experience of Ivan Lendl could prove to be crucial in the years to come'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-4123292/Andy-Murray-admits-experience-Ivan-Lendl-prove-crucial-years-come.html
themass15
16-01-2017, 20:57
I am sure that is absolutely true. He won't be pleased to see Andy ranting on the court.
Andy Murray rants. He has always ranted. He will always rant. It gives the commentators something to criticise him for. It's how he is. I really don't see the issue.
Why are they not going on about Nando's ranting?
roytennisfan
17-11-2017, 22:15
Andy and Lendl have parted company
roytennisfan
17-11-2017, 22:16
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roytennisfan
17-11-2017, 22:17
Murray: "I'm thankful to Ivan for all his help and guidance over the years, we've had great success and learned a lot as a team."
Lendl: "I wish Andy well going forward. We had a great run and a lot of fun."
lovetennis
17-11-2017, 22:18
Wonder if Andy will just stick to having Jamie Delgado or will be bring in someone else?
Sallydaisy
17-11-2017, 22:19
Not surprised.
:shades:
Andy has acheived SO much!
Some with Lendl, some without.
Andy is his own man.
Let him carve his own history .......
Well, that's not a surprise!
RosieBear
17-11-2017, 22:26
Noooooooo :crying::crying::crying::crying::crying: Absolutely devastated. Undeniable fact, all Andy's majors, golds, no 1 ranking came when he was working with Lendl. Not a coincidence. Just hope he can find someone he connects equally well with, but a tall order since Ivandy was an unbelievable team. Please god not another soppy Amelie type.
Rosalind
17-11-2017, 22:51
I agree with you Rosiebear. For some reason it works although I can't warm to Ivan in the least. Feeling confused.
jackie55
17-11-2017, 22:51
So disappointed about the split, although not as shocked as the first time they parted company, just hope that it was Andy's choice and that it doesn't upset his come back when it happens
themass15
17-11-2017, 23:04
Last time they split Andy was out with his back injury
Rosalind
17-11-2017, 23:15
Last time they split Andy was out with his back injury
.. and this time Andy's out with hip injury. ... just adding to my concern. Absolutely hope AM is not as upset as last time and his choice.
Noooooooo :crying::crying::crying::crying::crying: Absolutely devastated. Undeniable fact, all Andy's majors, golds, no 1 ranking came when he was working with Lendl. Not a coincidence. Just hope he can find someone he connects equally well with, but a tall order since Ivandy was an unbelievable team. Please god not another soppy Amelie type.
I feel exactly the same as you :crying:
Lendl was crucial to Andy in his biggest moments
Sad, but not wholly surprising. It could be that Lendl’s brutal training regime is never going to be right again for AM.
Not surprised.
:shades:
Andy has acheived SO much!
Some with Lendl, some without.
Andy is his own man.
Let him carve his own history .......
Couldn't have said it any better Sally!:thumbup:
jackie55
18-11-2017, 00:35
Wonder if Andy will just stick to having Jamie Delgado or will be bring in someone else?
I wonder if Boris is going to call Andy !!
Caley Shaun
18-11-2017, 01:55
I wonder what Andy decides to do now, does he stick with Jamie Delgado or does he replace Ivan Lendl.
And, if he decides to replace Ivan then who's in contention; Mats Wilander, Pete Sampras, Paul Annacone, Bob Brett, Magnus Norman, the list is endless :O.
What do you peeps think?
goldfish
18-11-2017, 07:31
According to the Guardian - it comes down to money. Lendl wanted a substantial rise.
I wonder if Lendl will go to Dimitrov and Danii?
Rosalind
18-11-2017, 07:46
I wonder if Boris is going to call Andy !!
Haha I thought of Boris too! What a nightmare! I think I would have to change my allegiance
See report in The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/17/andy-murray-ivan-lendl-split-coach-tennis
WimbledonWestie
18-11-2017, 08:33
Ew! Imagine it! Boris! Yuk! Fortunately don't think it's likely. I'd be happy for him to stick with the team he has, Jamie been doing a great job.
I heard it on radio five live's 10.30pm news. Why? Andy achieved so much with Lendl.
Personally I think this is no bad thing. Andy needs to focus on getting well and to take his own time in getting back to top form. Many other players do not have high profile coaches or even have no coach at all. At the moment he needs a travelling fitness team more than a coach - and to listen to them and to his own body. As Federer said when he returned to the tour the important thing was playing without pain and building confidence and the same applies to Andy.
I wonder if Boris is going to call Andy !!
Noooooooooooooo! :sofa:
RosieBear
18-11-2017, 09:26
According to the Guardian - it comes down to money. Lendl wanted a substantial rise.
If this is true, and it is of course a big IF, then sorry I think Andy is crazy to let him go. Both terms with Andy were an incredible success. Twice proven. Worth every penny. Lendl didn't teach Andy how to play tennis, he taught him how to believe in himself in the toughest moments. Can't put a price on that. And fear it will be extremely difficult to replace.
I can’t see it being about money myself. AM has oodles of it. I think Lendl has had the last 6 months or so free to play golf and pootle about. He dislikes the hassle of the tour. He is also according to the Guardian focussing on a player ranked in the 890’s.
I think he is not necessarily the right coach for a player returning from injury. I also have major doubts about how much longer he can go on. Painful as it is to think, I can’t see him doing a Federer. I am not sure Federer’s absence was actually about injury as such. I think it was about modifying his game to counteract the effects of getting older. Having had hip problems throughout my life, I just can’t see how he can continue to play at the highest levels with a dodgy hip. I also think that given he has had that congenital knee problem, plus the back problem. it must have had an impact in terms of increased stresses on other joints. I think in Murray’s case the chickens might well be coming home to roost.
He has nothing to prove. I wish fervently he stops a bit too soon, than a bit too late.
Maybe Andy should give his singles a rest and start playing doubles with Jamie! He has achieved so much in the singles and perhaps the doubles might be less stressful on the body and a little more relaxed
LC the fan
18-11-2017, 12:13
I wonder if Lendl will go to Dimitrov and Danii?
That's a real possibility...Ivan likes Dani and Dimi is as yet 'uncooked' as a top player. But if it is about money, which I cannot honestly believe, Dani can't afford him yet?
Yes, I am gutted at the news but not honestly surprised. I think Ivan is a bit intolerant of injuries and signs of weakness, this all happened before because of the back operation when Ivan thought he should soldier on with painkillers.
As for a replacement, I sort of hope not yet anyway. Jamie seems to have done a good job
.........but 3 slams and 3 Olympic medals remain as the proof of the grand Murray/Lendl alliance
LC the fan
18-11-2017, 12:17
Maybe Andy should give his singles a rest and start playing doubles with Jamie! He has achieved so much in the singles and perhaps the doubles might be less stressful on the body and a little more relaxed
Pretty sure that won't happen yet......but when the sad day comes Andy and Jamie as a dubs pair is something to look forward to.
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