View Full Version : Australian Open, R2. Andy v Taro Daniel. Thursday 20th January, n/b 06.30 UK time
Sallydaisy
18-01-2022, 09:26
Let's hope Andy is fully recovered!
themass15
19-01-2022, 06:14
Andy is on John Cain Arena not before 0630 tomorrow, so a tad better for us time wise.
Sallydaisy
19-01-2022, 23:02
Andy leads their H2H 1-0 (https://www.atptour.com/en/players/atp-head-2-head/andy-murray-vs-taro-daniel/MC10/DA81) after a 3 sets win in the 1st round of Davis Cup 2016.
The Japanese player has 1 title to his name (2018 Istanbul Open) and was/is coached by Sven Groenveld for a time. (Groenveld also listed as coaching Bianca Andreescu).
Preceding ladies match has just finished as Rybakina has just retired, so this will start on time.
Not a good start he has just been broken:-(
HoopGirl
20-01-2022, 07:26
Honestly this is too stressful already!
Andy broken agsin
4:5 Murray had two break points but couldn’t take them. Can Taro serve the first set out?
Just joining. Maybe I shoudn't.....
Come on Andy
Sallydaisy
20-01-2022, 07:40
Andy held for 4,5.
Daniel is winning more points on his 2nd serve, 61%-36% for Andy.
Sallydaisy
20-01-2022, 07:41
4:5 Murray had two break points but couldn’t take them. Can Taro serve the first set out?
Yes.
Taro Daniel takes the 1st set 6-4.
Andy is going to have to win the next 3
If it's any consolation, a few of the top players have dropped a set this morning to lower ranked guys.
FAA, Cilic,Tsitsipas, Dimitrov .....
Why does he make it so hard for himself? It almost seems like he is hell bent on testing the hip to destruction.
Broken again. This is not good. Either he is hurting or has run out of gas. I expected him to get through this one fairly easily.
He should be winning this comfortably. Taro's highest ranking was 64 in 2018. In the last 18 months he's never got in the top 100. His ranking has been around 110-125 consistently. He hasn't had injuries causing his ranking to fluctuate. His current 128 is the lowest it's been for a while.
Is de-Witt allowed to kick his backside?
2 sets down. I don’t think he can get through this:-(
Can't believe he is 2 sets down! This could be over very quickly. Only following FS, so how is his demeanour?
Can't believe he is 2 sets down! This could be over very quickly. Only following FS, so how is his demeanour?
Flat......
Broke Taro, but broken straight back.
supergran
20-01-2022, 09:17
This is hard to watch. He needs to step up very soon. These flaming qualifiers. COME ONNN ANDY!
Flat......
He's laughing sarcastically to himself, but he's not ranting loudly like he often does. Subdued.
4:4. I suspect the break from Taro will be now. This painful.
Yep. 4:5 to Taro. It’s all over bar the shouting. Sad
Andy's body just not quite there today. Maybe going deep in Sydney wasn't so good after all.
themass15
20-01-2022, 09:36
Not to be for Andy today, couldn't watch it after the first few games. Wonder if he will keep working with Jan de Witt
The surprise on Taro's face at winning said everything. It'll be interesting to hear what Murray says.
Andy's body just not quite there today. Maybe going deep in Sydney wasn't so good after all.
It didn't look as if it was physical to me?
HoopGirl
20-01-2022, 09:43
Tough one.
It’s hard to say what was the problem - his body just isn’t used to playing a lot of tennis yet - and the only way to sort that out is to play more consistently. Fundamentally Andy’s style of play is longer rallies so that’s draining on his body.
Probably that match with Basilavilli was just too much and too long.
His serve wasn’t as strong as we’ve seen in other matches.
Sallydaisy
20-01-2022, 09:44
I'm sad for Andy but what he's acheiving is truly remarkable.
:knight:
I doubt he'll give up trying to win - and even if today he didn't play as well as we saw in Sydney, he'll never stop trying! He did have some break back points and it's those points that perhaps he and De Witt need to work on. I don't doubt his fitness and stamina but he is a target for players around 10 years younger than himself and like or not the body and brain don't always behave.
It'll be interesting to see how Rafa progresses against some of the upcoming challengers.
;)
H'mmm. Too many break points gone a-begging today. If Andy could have converted more of those, we might have had a different match. But it has to be said, Daniel stuck to his task and produced good tennis. Strange how Andy can overcome the much higher ranked Basilashvili, but not the lower ranked player. Back home to his family now, I guess. The kids will be happy!
The scoreline is the reverse of what I expected it to be! Completely stunned by it and know I'll have a black dog on for the rest of the day. He'll be disappointed but glad to get home to the family, with perhaps some serious career decisions to be made. x
Sad. I really expected him to win that one. However realistically playing so many matches in such a short time was always going to have an impact. He hasn’t done that since 2019. His body has got to get used to playing continually.
supergran
20-01-2022, 09:52
Sad for Andy. Didn't seem to have the fire today, wondering if that 5 setter was a factor. A tough loss for him and hope he gets over it and carries on. At least he can go home to his beautiful wife and children and he won't be worrying about heating bills.:knight::big grin:
JAMES4578
20-01-2022, 10:13
Certainly disappointing, not saying I thought it would be straightforward but looked like a good chance for the 3rd Round. However Andy somewhat subdued today and just too many errors at crucial moments,even if Daniel produced some quality tennis. Serve was not as effective and did not go his way in some of the longer rallies. However perhaps he was a bit jaded after the win over Basilashvili. However some positive signs after the past month and once Andy has regrouped as long a the desire is there hopefully he can move forward during the season. At least he can have some time with family after this tough loss.
RosieBear
20-01-2022, 11:27
A shame, but gone are the days when the draw didn't really matter because it was in Andy's hands - how he played rather than who he played. NB was a tough opener and I'm sure had an impact on today. Wimbledon will be Andy's best chance at another big title, you never know the stars might align from him. Heading home now, healthy and still playing the game he loves. There have been far darker times for Andy and his fans.
jackie55
20-01-2022, 12:09
The scoreline is the reverse of what I expected it to be! Completely stunned by it and know I'll have a black dog on for the rest of the day. He'll be disappointed but glad to get home to the family, with perhaps some serious career decisions to be made. x
Me too, really disappointed that he couldn't get the win, was hoping he would have made it to round 3 and left AO below 100 in the ranking. I wonder if because Andy was playing a qualifier, he didn't feel he needed to get 'fired'up
I saw Taro's first match and was anticipating a tough time for Andy. taro's BHDL quite stunning, change of direction, speed to dropshots etc, and we saw it all this morning. I really enjoyed Andy's increased willingness to come forward, rush the net, this paid off and playing shorter points will be very beneficial from now on.
he was flat this morning, not moving feet, and on the whole being given the runaround, too many forehand unforced errors but some good serving.
Taro just very resolute, staying in the moment, deserved the win - and home again for Andy, some family life.
Who does Taro play next? Wonder if he will maintain his fantastic form or suffer an almighty drop? Andy will undoubtedly press on til Queen's and Wimbledon, but after that, who knows? Sadly my tennis passion over 70 years is waning with him. x
Who does Taro play next? Wonder if he will maintain his fantastic form or suffer an almighty drop? Andy will undoubtedly press on til Queen's and Wimbledon, but after that, who knows? Sadly my tennis passion over 70 years is waning with him. x
Mine began with AM, and I think will end with him. I will track the Brits but that’s about it. I hate to see him such a shadow of his former self, but I look at the other players who were of his time and see them fading fast as well. Raonic had his one final, I doubt he will have another.
It’s a bit like Doctor Who to me. You have your Doctor and that’s it, when they go you go. Same with tennis players for me. I had my player, and now he is gone or is going that’s it. Some people have lots of players, but not me.
banskogirl
20-01-2022, 20:52
Mine began with AM, and I think will end with him. I will track the Brits but that’s about it. I hate to see him such a shadow of his former self, but I look at the other players who were of his time and see them fading fast as well. Raonic had his one final, I doubt he will have another.
It’s a bit like Doctor Who to me. You have your Doctor and that’s it, when they go you go. Same with tennis players for me. I had my player, and now he is gone or is going that’s it. Some people have lots of players, but not me.
I agree with much of what you have said Theresa but I’m not ready to say Andy is gone. He had a hard day, maybe tired, maybe something we don’t know about but whatever it is there’s no fat lady singing until Andy says it and until then I’ll take every match and just feel blessed to have them :grouphug: for today though, I am gutted but if Andy isn’t sore then another day another opportunity!
I also thought I would never have another Jon Pertwee but then along came David Tennant ….. but I don’t think I will ever replace Andy, not that we need to yet!
RosieBear
20-01-2022, 21:07
Ok, today was a shame but come on - Andy was in his first final since '19 just a few days ago. A freshly Basilashvilied Andy came up a bit short against an inspired opponent in the final but Sydney was a fantastic achievement given that before then he'd barely had any matches and hadn't put a run of 3 wins together. What short memories some people have got!
Very tight turnaround from the brutal Sydney tournie to Melbourne where he had a mega tough R1. I understand why Andy, ever the perfectionist, is tough on himself but some comments are a little bit strange imo. Think back to where he was 6 months ago - since then he has beaten not just top 10, but top 5 oppo and made a final. He'll never be peak Andy again but that is fabulous progress :thumbup::cheer:
I just don't have faith in this new coaching arrangement. I was dismayed to learn he'd been Gilles Simon's coach..... he of the hugely long rallies and matches. Andy has lost his aggression. We only see flashes of it. At the start of the match against Daniel I was worried about rally length. Then I realised Daniel was doing most of the running and I hoped he'd tire out. He didn't. And at the end of the day, that's no way for Andy to try to win. Sigh. It's still in there. We've seen it but he needs to let rip with his ability.
exislander
21-01-2022, 11:37
I just don't have faith in this new coaching arrangement. I was dismayed to learn he'd been Gilles Simon's coach..... he of the hugely long rallies and matches. Andy has lost his aggression. We only see flashes of it. At the start of the match against Daniel I was worried about rally length. Then I realised Daniel was doing most of the running and I hoped he'd tire out. He didn't. And at the end of the day, that's no way for Andy to try to win. Sigh. It's still in there. We've seen it but he needs to let rip with his ability.
You may find this rather long article from a couple of years ago quite interesting - especially the part where Jan talks about getting Simon to shorten his 5 set matches from over 4 hours to about 2.5 hours.
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/coaches-corner-jan-de-witt-feature
RosieBear
21-01-2022, 11:51
I just don't have faith in this new coaching arrangement. I was dismayed to learn he'd been Gilles Simon's coach..... he of the hugely long rallies and matches. Andy has lost his aggression. We only see flashes of it. At the start of the match against Daniel I was worried about rally length. Then I realised Daniel was doing most of the running and I hoped he'd tire out. He didn't. And at the end of the day, that's no way for Andy to try to win. Sigh. It's still in there. We've seen it but he needs to let rip with his ability.
I completely agree, Mrs P. It's frustrating that Andy is continuing to play so many points from behind the baseline. I did read that Andy and his new coach were going to make increasing aggression the cornerstone of their partnership - I said Hallelujah when I saw that - but little sign of it so far. Early days though, I suppose. It really baffles me. Andy leaves so much gold in the mine, always has. Most players grind because they don't have the talent to do anything else, but of course Andy is an amazing all court player when he chooses to be. Needs to take a leaf out of Dan's book!
I'd love to see Andy hire somebody as an extra coach just to improve his serve the way Djoko did with Ivanisevic and Fed with Ljubicic.
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