View Full Version : Andy's Ranking 2003 - 2011 (chart in first post) and discussions
Sallydaisy
01-10-2011, 16:16
ANDY'S RANKING CHART
Numbers bolded and in Blue show points where Andy made first moves into the Top 100 and so on.
His career high ranking remains at #2 reached just after Wimbledon 2009 and lasting just 3 weeks.
Wk
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
Date
1
540
411
64
17
9
4
4
4
3.1
2
539
407
62
15
9
4
5
5
10.1
3
539
409
62
16
9
4
4
5
17.1
4
539
409
62
16
12
4
3
5
24.1
5
536
415
60
14
11
4
3
5
31.1
6
537
415
62
13
11
4
4
5
7.2
7
536
419
60
13
10
4
4
5
14.2
8
534
420
47
13
12
4
4
5
21.2
9
530
418
42
13
11
4
4
5
28.2
10
533
422
44
14
11
4
3
5
7.3
11
533
422
44
14
11
4
4
4
14.3
12
541
419
41
12
13
4
4
4
21.3
13
541
419
41
12
13
4
5
4
28.3
14
545
393
45
11
22
4
5
4
4.4
15
541
396
44
11
21
4
4
4
11.4
16
539
397
45
10 *
20
3
4
4
18.4
17
539
381
43
10
19
3
4
4
25.4
18
538
385
44
10
18
3
4
4
2.5
19
541
375
44
10
14
3
4
4
9.5
20
541
367
46
10
11
3
4
4
16.5
21
544
359
45
11
12
3
4
4
23.5
22
544
359
45
11
11
3
4
4
30.5
23
538
357
45
11
11
3
4
4
6.6
24
537
317
45
9
11
3
4
4
13.6
25
535
312
45
8
11
3
4
4
20.6
26
535
312
44
8
9
3
4
4
27.6
27
531
213
44
8
9
3
4
4
4 .7
28
503
205
36
13
9
2 CH
4
4
11.7
29
569
164
35
14
9
2 CH
4
4
18.7
30
774
566
156
36
14
6
2 CH
4
4
25.7
31
774
571
153
35
13
6
3
4
4
1.8
32
754
569
145
31
14
6
3
4
4
8.8
33
761
504
132
21
16
6
3
4
4
15.8
34
765
483
122
19
19
6
3
4
4
22.8
35
778
479
122
19
19
4
3
4
4
29.8
36
779
415
122
19
19
4
4
4
4
5.9
37
780
410
111
16
19
4
4
4
4
12.9
38
785
413
110
16
18
4
4
4
4
19.9
39
783
455
109
16
18
4
4
4
4
26.9
40
628
486
72
19
18
4
4
4
4
3.10
41
580
477
72
20
18
4
4
4
4
10.10
42
579
478
71
19
17
4
4
4
3
17.10
43
579
505
70
17
16
4
4
4
3
24.10
44
544
508
67
19
12
4
4
4
3
31.10
45
547
510
66
17
11
4
4
4
3
7.11
46
546
514
66
17
11
4
4
5
3
14.11
47
542
517
65
17
11
4
4
5
3
21.11
48
543
532
64
17
11
4
4
4
4
28.11
49
537
533
63
17
11
4
4
4
4
5.12
50
540
411
63
17
11
4
4
4
4
12.12
51
540
411
64
17
11
4
4
4
4
19.12
52
540
411
64
17
11
4
4
4
4
26.12
The last right hand column shows the 2011 date.
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Quite a few of us remember being on the old forum and following a match involving Tommy Haas. If Haas lost then Andy would go into the top 10 for the first time ... I'm afraid a lot of us willed the other guy to win.
It was a very special night.
Even more so because Andy logged into the forum and confessed he'd been following livescore too!
Sallydaisy
01-10-2011, 16:51
Space for Ranking Chart from 2012 onwards ......
Andy is currently ranked #4
I know this is a big stretch but a win this week and next at Shanghai and Andy will rise to number 3.
While that may be a stretch too far, unless Fedex has a really strong finish to the year and/or Andy a big slump the pass should happen before the year end given Andy is over 500 points ahead on points for this year and Federer is missing the Asian swing so after next week hopefully the points this year will have a much bigger gap.
So thats now 2 matches down only 8 to go to become number 3 - still a very big stretch. Now if Andy can get to 8 matches down 2 to go I might start thinking this is possible!
banskogirl
06-10-2011, 18:32
Anything is possible :lol:
Maza1987
06-10-2011, 18:57
It's most likey going to happen by the end of the year.:)
MurrayAOne
06-10-2011, 21:10
Andy will definitely do it and more.
RoastLamb
06-10-2011, 21:23
The countdown begins... I'm only worried that he's going to be so cream-crackered by the start of Shanghai it will prove detrimental.
I won't say it but from my last post you should know what I'm thinking now
LC the fan
07-10-2011, 12:58
The countdown begins... I'm only worried that he's going to be so cream-crackered by the start of Shanghai it will prove detrimental.
My thoughts exactly. He looked to be just a little weary at the end of today's match, a semi tomorrow, plus a doubles, hopefully a final........and Shanghai starts on monday.
He's fit, with great powers of recovery but a final against Rafa would take even mopre out of him
My thoughts exactly. He looked to be just a little weary at the end of today's match, a semi tomorrow, plus a doubles, hopefully a final........and Shanghai starts on monday.
He's fit, with great powers of recovery but a final against Rafa would take even mopre out of him
Have faith everyone. If Djokovic can have the run he's had, playing all the matches he has, then this end of season burst for Andy shouldn't be a problem stamina-wise. Fingers crossed!
Glad Andy gets a bye in the first round of Shanghai - just a little more time to recover so he can keep the (hopefully) winning streak going :)
OK a win in a final is certainly worth the countdown being started again. Thats 5 down 5 to go. Will he be number 3 a week tomorrow? Mind you after 2 full weeks what will Andy have left in the tank for Shanghai?
OK a win in a final is certainly worth the countdown being started again. Thats 5 down 5 to go. Will he be number 3 a week tomorrow? Mind you after 2 full weeks what will Andy have left in the tank for Shanghai?
Buckets of adrenalin?
He's on a high and he knows he has the number 3 spot in his grasp. Have faith - he'll be fine! :cheer:
I think number 3 will happen before year end as he is now over 1,000 points ahead of Fedex on year to date points and hopefully will be adding more in Shanghai, but number 3 by next Monday while it would be great is still a stretch. Lets see Andy through to the semis and then we can start to believe.
so with a walk over and a win its now 7 down 3 to go since I started my count down and the chances are also improved with Rafa departing the scene. Mind you we should not start to count our chickens too early as Rafa has shown unexpected defeats do happen.
banskogirl
13-10-2011, 20:00
Awk lets just count our chickens :rolling: we wont change the outcome but we'll enjoy it more! I'm game.............Andy to win and be No. 3!
Awk lets just count our chickens :rolling: we wont change the outcome but we'll enjoy it more! I'm game.............Andy to win and be No. 3!
All mine counted and off to roost - go Andy!!!!!
i noticed the other day andy was closing in on the top ten all time earnings, he is about a million dollars behind roddick (who is number 10)
david1610
14-10-2011, 13:57
i noticed the other day andy was closing in on the top ten all time earnings, he is about a million dollars behind roddick (who is number 10)
Interesting... if you have time could you put a link to the info?
Interesting... if you have time could you put a link to the info?COUDNT FIND ANYTHING OFFICIAL THE OTHER DAY BUT THERE WAS THIS SHOWING THE EARNINGS OF THE CURRENT PLAYERS
http://www.tennischannel.com/scores/rankings.aspx?sort0=er&tour0=tour1&page0=1&tab=0
AND GOOD AULD WIKI HAS A LIST OF ALL TIME EARNING http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_records
So its 8 down 2 to go and the two are Nishikori and then Ferrer (or possibly Floppy). Now I think I might have already seen my first chicken to start counting but I need to get a bit higher than 1. I think 3 was the number we were concerned about so please everyone hope my eye sight improves before the weekend is out and I can find the other 2 that must be around here some where.
COUDNT FIND ANYTHING OFFICIAL THE OTHER DAY BUT THERE WAS THIS SHOWING THE EARNINGS OF THE CURRENT PLAYERS
http://www.tennischannel.com/scores/rankings.aspx?sort0=er&tour0=tour1&page0=1&tab=0
AND GOOD AULD WIKI HAS A LIST OF ALL TIME EARNING http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_records
That's really interesting. Your link can be sorted to show either current year earnings or career earnings. Andy is third in current year earnings (above Federer) and 6th in career earnings.
All time earnings can't mean much...........what about inflation?????
Well, exactly. They put up the prize money at tournaments every year. You're not likely to see a top player from 50 years ago in the all-time top earners list. It would be even more interesting if they could compile a list adjusted for inflation.
Well, exactly. They put up the prize money at tournaments every year. You're not likely to see a top player from 50 years ago in the all-time top earners list. It would be even more interesting if they could compile a list adjusted for inflation.
Yes that would be interesting.
not sure inflation would make much difference to be honest, the current players like a lot of other sports are befitting from the golden age of media rights which means the sport is awash with cash,
just found this (http://www.wimbledon.com/heritage/history/prize-money) and it shows prize money for wimbers over the years in the last 20 years alone there has been a 300% rise now im no economist but i wouldn't want to live in a country where inflation averages out at 15% a year(milk snatcher :pirate: )
Maza1987
14-10-2011, 18:48
If you go to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_records#Earnings
Inflation adjustment has been done, but only for the top 10.
From Raven on twitter...
Not officially yet. He's #3 in the race, #4 in the rankings, but no matter what, he'll be #3 before the Finals :)
Please can we at least start to count our chickens??!! (or maybe try and round them up to make the counting process quicker?) :boogie:
From Raven on twitter...
*waves* Blame Xe if I'm here again ;)
To explain my tweet further, we all know Andy will overtake Fed if he wins tomorrow (as we all hope). But he's already guaranteed to hit #3 before the Finals since he has already 1630 pts over Fed in the race.
WTF is the only tournament for which the points you've earned the previous year come off the week before and not the week after. So even if Fed won Basel and Bercy he could have no more than 6670 points on the Monday the Finals start. Andy has already guaranteed to have a minimum of 6800 points, so here you are :)
Of course winning tomorrow will mean not only being already #3 in the rankings but also increasing the chance to end the year as #3 :)
*waves again*
PS: On the ATP website there are all the stats about prize money, updated every Monday: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Press/Rankings-and-Stats.aspx :)
VamosVixs
15-10-2011, 14:03
Welcome back Raven! :thumbup:
Maza1987
15-10-2011, 14:04
^^Bows down to Raven the stat master. We are not worthy:worship:
Sallydaisy
15-10-2011, 14:04
Yay! Good to see you again Raven - and many thanks for the explanation!
:flowers:
Welcome back Raven :big grin:
As for counting chickens - how about this one?
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj45/Baggadonuts123/Smileys/winner_chicken.gif
JAMES4578
15-10-2011, 14:13
Welcome back Raven, certainly things going well for Andy right now!
Welcome back Raven! :) Hehe, I see you gave into the temptation :D Am glad!
Great to see you back, Raven!
:welcome: back Raven and great first post. :)
Please can we at least start to count our chickens??!! (or maybe try and round them up to make the counting process quicker?) :boogie:
definitely Jan!! - if we're not allowed to count these chickens let!! -
at least we know these chickens are coming home to roost!!
Please can we at least start to count our chickens??!! (or maybe try and round them up to make the counting process quicker?) :boogie:
I started counting yesterday and I've got up to 2 just got to find one more to get to the magic 3.
It is easy to argue that this is not that meaningful (you can argue that I have picked the best possible time period for Muzz - which I have- and that Fed & Nole have been missing tournaments) but things looked similar in autumn 2008 and by the time Cincy came around in 2009, Andy was (fleetingly) world no. 2. In other words, if you're going to make a run to world no. 2 or no. 1, you've got to start that run somewhere! :)
Good positive thinking Steven. Just need a slam or two and the number 1 will follow.
Glad to see the third chicken I found at church was the right one to count. Well done to the new world number 3 Mr Murray
david1610
16-10-2011, 13:31
IMHO Andy has equalled his best ever ranking today, as the brief sojourn at no. 2 was due to Rafa being injured was it not? Just as Andy got his first real bagel against Rafa last week, as the previous one Rafa was playing on one leg and yet was professional enough to finish the match.
Technically, has been to no. 2 but really this is the equalling the best and no need to stop here :)
Aussie Andy
17-10-2011, 03:04
Hmm, what about becoming No.2 by the end of the Aussie Open? Is there a possibility he could be seeded 2nd at Wimbledon next year? :flowers: :yahoo: *whispers* or even... No. 1?
banskogirl
17-10-2011, 07:40
World No.3 Andy Murray!!!
:yahoo:
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Hmm, what about becoming No.2 by the end of the Aussie Open? Is there a possibility he could be seeded 2nd at Wimbledon next year? :flowers: :yahoo: *whispers* or even... No. 1?
Andy could theoretically be no. 1 by the end of the Aus Open - 'all' he would need to do is win Paris, WTF and the AO, taking him up to 11700 points (if he won all his matches at the WTF) with Nole bombing out early at all of those events.
That's not going to happen (though I would love to be proved wrong!) but it shows you how quickly things can change if one player gets on a roll and another goes into a mini slump.
World No.3 Andy Murray!!!
:yahoo:
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:mexican::mexican:
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa337/j_acobite/rank.png
JAMES4578
17-10-2011, 09:33
Yes, good to see that early this morning!
Golden Lady
17-10-2011, 10:39
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa337/j_acobite/rank.png
:cheer::cheer::cheer:
It's great to look at the rankings list on the ATP site today and see Andy in the number 3 slot.
Onwards and upwards!!
Will he now be referred to as a "TOP" player and commentators will no longer talk of him "playing the top players"?
LC the fan
17-10-2011, 11:35
Will he now be referred to as a "TOP" player and commentators will no longer talk of him "playing the top players"?
Good point Silver - Andy will have to do a lot more before the commentators settle on putting him just outside 'the top players' Greg Rusedski was doing it even yesterday saying that his second serve needed attention when he comes up against 'the top players' Uurgggh !
Just had to come onto the forum today to see the list with Andy so clearly in Third - Yeah :clap:
Must say I feel a bit flat this morning. Having read every paper I can lay my hands to , its all gone quiet after 3 weeks of excitement.
Have a good Rest Andy - Boy do you deserve it
supergran
17-10-2011, 11:56
Will he now be referred to as a "TOP" player and commentators will no longer talk of him "playing the top players"? Excellent comment.....drives me mad also!!:grrr:
Madeline
17-10-2011, 12:31
World No.3 Andy Murray!!!
:yahoo:
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I notice also that the ATP have gone back to he old profile picture of Andy. Thank goodness for that, I thought the new one was terrible.
now Andy is ranked no. 3 - is there any need for Andy to play Valencia/Basel?
with Fed defending the points he won in last years final -
is it better for Andy to rest up and concentrate on Paris + WTF - or play Valencia/Basel and add more points to his total?
I can't make up my mind what would be Andy's best option? - head says rest - my heart says play (selfish because we would see Andy play again soon) + and when would he have to let Valencia/Basel know he would want to play?
mintsauce
17-10-2011, 13:36
He may want to play one of them to get a bit of practice in before the Paris Masters. I think either would be happy to give Andy a wildcard as he will attract spectators when he plays.
VamosVixs
17-10-2011, 13:37
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought players had to play 4 500 tournaments in a season? Andy has played 3, right? So what happens if Andy doesn't play his 4th?
david1610
17-10-2011, 14:15
now Andy is ranked no. 3 - is there any need for Andy to play Valencia/Basel?
with Fed defending the points he won in last years final -
is it better for Andy to rest up and concentrate on Paris + WTF - or play Valencia/Basel and add more points to his total?
I can't make up my mind what would be Andy's best option? - head says rest - my heart says play (selfish because we would see Andy play again soon) + and when would he have to let Valencia/Basel know he would want to play?
Given how badly he did in Indian Wells and Miami compared to other years, there is an argument to push on, and hopefully start the New Year well and by end February have a lot more points going into the clay season. Personally whatever increases chances in a GS is the important thing. Just needs to arrive refreshed to the O2. Not too worried about arriving a bit tired in Paris, as not too many points to defend there and might be worth the Valencia effort.
supergran
17-10-2011, 14:21
Andy was rather evasive as to whether he'd play Valencia/Basel. He does need to rest but I'm sure he'll decide what's right after a few days off.
Sallydaisy
17-10-2011, 14:24
Correct me if I am wrong, I thought players had to play 4 500 tournaments in a season? Andy has played 3, right? So what happens if Andy doesn't play his 4th?
The rankings count points for 12months rolling.
Andy can currently count his best 18 and they are:-
1 x WTF, 4 Slams, 8 Masters, 4 500 (incl Montecarlo) and 2 250s.
Currently Andy has 4 x 500's being counted.
Valencia 2010 45pts (Points drop 7/11/11)
Dubai 2011 0 (Did not play so this is a zero-pointer until 27/2/12)
MonteCarlo 2011 360 (points drop 16/4/12)
Tokyo 2011 500 (points drop 8/10/12)
He currently has only one non-countable tournament which happens to be a 500.
Rotterdam 2011 0 pts (went out R1, points drop 13/2/12)
When the Valencia points come off I think Rotterdam can be counted instead so he'd drop 45 and be counting the 0.
He could opt for a WC into Valencia or Basle to top up points if he wanted.
As of next season he has more 500's on offer straight after the AO so can choose which ones to replace the 2 x 0 he'll be carrying until sometime in February 2012.
david1610
17-10-2011, 14:27
Andy was rather evasive as to whether he'd play Valencia/Basel. He does need to rest but I'm sure he'll decide what's right after a few days off.
And reasonably so! He will be exhausted at the moment and will want to get home, get over the jet lag and then see what he feels he is up to and what he is not up to - basically, if the fully recovery from all those Asian matches and jet lag takes place in time for Valencia or not and if he feels he can do Valencia Paris, week's rest, then London, at 100% or not. I doubt he will put O2 at risk because (i) it is the most prestigious event after the GSs and he is a Brit playing in the tournament in Britain and knows he will be under the spotlight.
If he decided to opt for a wild card for the singles in Valencia do you think he and Jamie would also be given a WC to defend their doubles title? That's assuming Jamie is free to play of course.
If he decided to opt for a wild card for the singles in Valencia do you think he and Jamie would also be given a WC to defend their doubles title? That's assuming Jamie is free to play of course.
They don't have wild cards in doubles, just some places held for on-site entries (in order of rankings), but with Jamie's current ranking and Andy counting his singles ranking, they should get in without problems if they want to.
Will he now be referred to as a "TOP" player and commentators will no longer talk of him "playing the top players"?
I was amused yesterday because at one point the commies on Sky referred to Andy, Rafa and Nole as the top players and poor old Feddykins was nowhere on the horizon!
I was amused yesterday because at one point the commies on Sky referred to Andy, Rafa and Nole as the top players and poor old Feddykins was nowhere on the horizon!
About time they got it right!!
DrewZiph
17-10-2011, 20:19
what definitely is worth looking at is rafa vs murray points gained since Roland Garos.
The second half of the year (including wimbledon and the US open) has seen Murray so far score 3730 to Nadals 1355
That gives him a 2375 advantage and puts him well ahead in a hypothetical race to Wimbledon 2012 for the number two spot.
In english, the above means that Murray has a great chance of hitting the number two ranking in the first half of next year!
About time they got it right!!
Well - wonders will never cease!!!
david1610
17-10-2011, 22:46
what definitely is worth looking at is rafa vs murray points gained since Roland Garos.
The second half of the year (including wimbledon and the US open) has seen Murray so far score 3730 to Nadals 1355
That gives him a 2375 advantage and puts him well ahead in a hypothetical race to Wimbledon 2012 for the number two spot.
In english, the above means that Murray has a great chance of hitting the number two ranking in the first half of next year!
Even if Rafa is still in shock following Nole's year, he is still likely to gather tons of points during the clay court season. so Andy could do with lots of points in Indian Wells and Miami. The only question is whether next year Rafa is also finalist rather than a winner in most of the clay tournaments.
Aussie Andy
18-10-2011, 09:31
It's kind of nice seeing Andy Murray sandwiched between Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer in the rankings.
sophie900607
18-10-2011, 18:49
It's kind of nice seeing Andy Murray sandwiched between Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer in the rankings.
Yeah, great. But would prefer if Andy was the icing on the cake as a world no.1...;)
david1610
18-10-2011, 21:12
Interesting indoor tournament stats at the ATP site - Andy is eighth best all time.
The Top 10 indoor players in the FedEx ATP Reliability Index are a who's who of great talents. John McEnroe leads the overall indoor list with a 419-72 (.853) record and 51 titles, followed by Lendl, Jimmy Connors (460-103, .817, 41 titles), Bjorn Borg (215-51, .808, 23), Boris Becker (297-75, .798, 30), Federer, Arthur Ashe (265-70, .791, 21), Murray (.791 9 titles 87-23) , Pete Sampras (213-61, .777, 23) and Rod Laver (136-41, .768, 14).
Interesting indoor tournament stats at the ATP site - Andy is eighth best all time.
The Top 10 indoor players in the FedEx ATP Reliability Index are a who's who of great talents. John McEnroe leads the overall indoor list with a 419-72 (.853) record and 51 titles, followed by Lendl, Jimmy Connors (460-103, .817, 41 titles), Bjorn Borg (215-51, .808, 23), Boris Becker (297-75, .798, 30), Federer, Arthur Ashe (265-70, .791, 21), Murray (.791 9 titles 87-23) , Pete Sampras (213-61, .777, 23) and Rod Laver (136-41, .768, 14).
Honoured company indeed!
Interesting indoor tournament stats at the ATP site - Andy is eighth best all time.
The Top 10 indoor players in the FedEx ATP Reliability Index are a who's who of great talents. John McEnroe leads the overall indoor list with a 419-72 (.853) record and 51 titles, followed by Lendl, Jimmy Connors (460-103, .817, 41 titles), Bjorn Borg (215-51, .808, 23), Boris Becker (297-75, .798, 30), Federer, Arthur Ashe (265-70, .791, 21), Murray (.791 9 titles 87-23) , Pete Sampras (213-61, .777, 23) and Rod Laver (136-41, .768, 14).
Pity none of the slams are indoors!
supergran
19-10-2011, 14:27
Thanks for that interesting post David. Exalted company our Andy's in.:highfive:
Madeline
19-10-2011, 14:39
Pity none of the slams are indoors!
Let's start campaigning for an indoor slam.
VamosVixs
19-10-2011, 14:47
Let's start campaigning for an indoor slam.
At least there will be no rain delays! ;)
Murray's_Backhand
19-10-2011, 16:33
Murray's_Backhand has returned! Fear no more my friends! :)
Thought my first return post just HAD to be about our Andy flying past Federror in the rankings! COME ON ANDY!
P.S. Glad to be back!
Hey!:welcome:Back MB!!:thumbup:
OOP'S off Topic.................FANTASTIC, BRILLIANT, AWESOME THAT ANDY MURRAY IS NO: 3!!!!.........poor Fed!!!:cheese::laugh:
david1610
19-10-2011, 21:58
Let's start campaigning for an indoor slam.
Andy always being scheduled on centre court at Wimbledon when it rains is a good start ...... :)
Speedy Hawk
23-10-2011, 14:47
:yahoo: Murray is No.3!
VamosVixs
23-10-2011, 17:30
It's great isn't it? Hopefully he can get to number 2 soon. :thumbup:
There has been no need for an Arka for Paris as Andy is guaranteed to be no 3 on Monday what ever happens. However if Andy can stay in the tournament at least as long as Federer then he will guarantee no worse than number 3 at year end. While number 2 after the WTF is possible anything less than a tournament victory in Paris will wipe out that possibility.
Ah well, no guaranteed number 3 at year end yet. Hopefully he'll get that sorted at the WTF...
There has been no need for an Arka for Paris as Andy is guaranteed to be no 3 on Monday what ever happens. However if Andy can stay in the tournament at least as long as Federer then he will guarantee no worse than number 3 at year end. While number 2 after the WTF is possible anything less than a tournament victory in Paris will wipe out that possibility.
I apologise for being thick but please will someone tell me where my calculations are wrong. As I see it:
* Andy presently has 7780 points - he maintains his points from last year for making the QF so will still have 7780 points on Monday.
* Fed presently has 7530 points - if he loses in the SF he maintains his points from last year and remains at number 3.
* If he reaches the final he gains 240 points giving him 7770 - so still behind Andy - albeit marginally.
* However, if he wins the tournament he gains 640 points and will sit at 8170 on Monday, in front of Andy and regaining the number 3 spot before the WTF.
What have I done wrong?
Sallydaisy
11-11-2011, 21:55
I apologise for being thick but please will someone tell me where I have gone wrong - as I see it:
Andy presently has 7780 points - he maintains his points from last year for making the QF so will still have 7780 points on Monday.
Fed presently has 7530 points - if he loses in the SF he maintains his points from last year but if he reaches the final he gains 240 points giving him 7770 - so still behind Andy - albeit marginally. However, if he wins the tounament he gains 640 points and will sit at 8170 on Monday, regaining the number 3 spot before the WTF.
What have I done wrong?
On Monday 14th November players drop any points earned in the Paris Masters AND the WTF 2010.
Fed won in London so he loses 1500 points as well as any from Paris LY - see his ranking points breakdown. (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=rb)
Andy loses only 400 from WTF2010.
That is why he's guaranteed the #3 spot on Monday; Federer cannot possibly take it back until and unless he does a lot better than Andy in London 2011.
Alis, I think you are correct - if Fed reaches the final he will be just 10 points behind Andy, and if he wins the tournament he will regain the no. 3.
ETA - Sally posted whilst I did - having read her post, I see that if the WTF points come off then Andy will still be no. 3 - but I don't know why they come off this Monday?
Sallydaisy
11-11-2011, 22:04
Alis, I think you are correct - if Fed reaches the final he will be just 10 points behind Andy, and if he wins the tournament he will regain the no. 3.
ETA - Sally posted whilst I did - having read her post, I see that if the WTF points come off then Andy will still be no. 3 - but I don't know why they come off this Monday?
I don't know why either Linda but it's happened like that the last few years I believe.
If you check any of them that played last year's WTF you'll see the drop date is the 14th November for the previous year's World Tour Finals. It's something Steven has has referred to a few times IIRC.
Madeline
11-11-2011, 22:13
I think it is so that they know the rankings before they do the draw for the WTF. If the last year's points didn't drop off until the first day of the tournament it would make that impossible.
Sallydaisy
11-11-2011, 22:16
I think it is so that they know the rankings before they do the draw for the WTF. If the last year's points didn't drop off until the first day of the tournament it would make that impossible.
That makes sense - especially since they start the WTF on Sunday and have to do the draw during the coming week. Thanks Madeline.
:)
Madeline
11-11-2011, 23:27
I'm wondering what they will do next year, when there is no gap between Paris and the WTF!
:) Thanks Sallydaisy - I knew I must be missing something simple!
[QUOTE=Madeline;17296]I'm wondering what they will do next year, when there is no gap
Sad as it is, Madeline - I doubt that many of the top players will play in Paris next year - unless, of course, they have to in order to secure their place. I really can't see how it's going to work. They surely won't be able to hold the final on Sunday if the first matches at the O2 begin on the Sunday - very strange decision IMO.
Madeline
14-11-2011, 00:39
So, if I'm getting this correctly, if Fed wins the tournament without dropping a match, he will be on 8170 points. In that case to stay at #3, Andy would have to be the other finalist, with at least 2 RR wins?
So, if I'm getting this correctly, if Fed wins the tournament without dropping a match, he will be on 8170 points. In that case to stay at #3, Andy would have to be the other finalist, with at least 2 RR wins?
Exactly :)
Gulp - no pressure then. But as it's Andy who said #3 at the end of the year was his goal, he'll be well aware. Fingers crossed.
MurrayAOne
14-11-2011, 09:39
Andy's my #1 ! Just saying!!!
I really think Andy's stated aim of ending the year at number 3 has given Fed some extra incentive for the end of the season. He make no bones about his dislike of Andy and, I'm sure, would love to spike his guns. All the more satisfaction for Andy when he's securely at number 3 - as a mere stepping stone to that number 1 ranking of course!!
ChrisMac
14-11-2011, 10:16
As Fed won Paris, is Andy still no.3 when going into the O2?
Yes, he is CM because the points from last year's WTF are dropped before the draw takes place.
I picked the following up from another site but thought folks here might find it useful as it's pretty clear and concise - hope it's correct!
Here are the scenarios for the year-end rankings:
If Andy wins the WTF, he'll be third.
If Andy reaches the final, he'll be third UNLESS he advances from the group stage with just one win, AND Federer wins the tournament unbeaten.
If Andy does not reach the final, but wins all his group stage matches, he'll be third UNLESS Federer wins the tournament unbeaten.
If Andy does not reach the final, but wins two matches in his group, he'll be third UNLESS Federer wins the tournament without losing more then one match on the way.
If Andy does not reach the final, but wins one match in his group, he'll be third UNLESS Federer wins the tournament OR Federer reaches the final unbeaten.
If Andy does not win a single match, he'll be third UNLESS Federer wins the tournament, OR Federer reaches the final without losing more then one match.
So there is all to play for! Let's hope these few days off will have allowed Andy to recover from the injury niggles and come out 100% at the O2.
LC the fan
14-11-2011, 20:08
So there is all to play for! Let's hope these few days off will have allowed Andy to recover from the injury niggles and come out 100% at the O2.
Amen to that. Jan. Lets hope Andy can recover some of that devastating tennis he found in Asia
Hope Andy will finish the year as #3 and that he will play the kind of tennis he played in Asia.
Very best of luck to Andy. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
VamosVixs
22-11-2011, 17:05
With Andy now out, will he go back to number 4?
With Andy now out, will he go back to number 4?
Not yet : Federer must win at least one more round robin match and reach the final or win the tournament
Murray's_Backhand
22-11-2011, 19:16
Huge shame :( I really thought Andy deserved to finish the year as No.3 :( He still can do but I think Fed will pretty much make the final without to much trouble! We can just hope Nadal smashes him tonight and then SOMEHOW Fish gets the upset
Andy worked soooo hard for #3 and it was his end of year goal. Please please let someone put Fed out!!
It'll be pretty cruel if Andy loses the #3 spot right at the bitter end. :crying:
It's cruel luck that after working so hard in Asia for that #3 ranking Andy might lose it at the last hurdle. :crying:
andy will have to see fed hop up once he reaches the semi, i think
Gutting for Andy but on tonight's showing Federer will be pretty hard to beat.
Well with Fed getting three victories I'm afraid if he wins his semi then he will pass Andy. Not sure I have faith in anyone in Andy's group stopping Fed on Saturday. Nole does not seem to be in good form but I don't have much faith in Ferrer or Berdych.
Nole hates losing to Fed though so maybe he'll be able to find some form if he does get through to that stage? It does look like it's Fed's tournament to lose right now though.
johnkiernan35
24-12-2011, 12:10
I a really positive person :) :) I just joined the forum :) I think that Andy will surely have his number 3 ranking back during the American Hard court season :) :)oh and :merry christmas: :)
VamosVixs
24-12-2011, 18:24
I have a feeling 2012 will be Andy's year! :thumbup:
I have a feeling 2012 will be Andy's year! :thumbup: Me too.
JAMES4578
24-12-2011, 20:26
Of course we can't take anything for granted but I'm sure 2012 can be a fabulous season for Andy!
Aussie Andy
25-12-2011, 00:59
I believe any season can be Andy's, depending on how he plays, how his opponents play, who gets injured/sick, etc. But yes, here's to Andy having a stellar 2012!
I'm just looking forward to seeing Andy play again. It seems so long since he last played.
supergran
26-12-2011, 16:28
So looking forward to tennis and Andy. Do hope he has a fantastic year!!!
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