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Andy made it briefly into the Top 3 last year ... can he go one better?
Last year's complete rankings graph for all those who were in the top 4 at some point ...
311
... and this year's graph, which for obvious reasons only shows when points are due to drop off at the moment:
310
The full 2012 calendar/points due off data is at http://bit.ly/vM5WBJ - 2012 is a a bit of an odd year, in the sense that Wimbledon and RG are a week closer to the USO than last year and the Olympics are on as well (Olympics, Toronto & Cincy in successive weeks then just one week's break before the USO - ouch!) and all in all, about half the tournaments have points coming off for 2011 in a different week to that in which the 2012 points get added.
Sallydaisy
02-01-2012, 13:52
space for 2012 Ranking changes/chart/playing record.
I have read the ranking rules, but i'm still not sure why Andy hasn't had his 250points added?? "Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking."
Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 11:37
I have read the ranking rules, but i'm still not sure why Andy hasn't had his 250points added?? "Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking."
Here is a link to Andy's Ranking breakdown as of today where you can see what the ATP is counting.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx?t=rb
His 250 earned yesterday replaces the 250 he was carrying for his Queens win which now becomes non-countable. As ever the ATP Rule change doesn't seem clear because I think there were many who believed that the win yesterday would mean those points would replace a 0 from his 500's.
Madeline
09-01-2012, 12:09
I suspect they are implementing these new rules bit by bit as points drop off, and that Andy will be able to count all 3 250s when his Rotterdam first-round loss last year drops off in mid-February. But with the ATP, who knows?
I suspect they are implementing these new rules bit by bit as points drop off, and that Andy will be able to count all 3 250s when his Rotterdam first-round loss last year drops off in mid-February. But with the ATP, who knows?
The rules for top players are they're only allowed to play 2x ATP 250, 4 x ATP 500, 8 mandatory ATP 1000 (Monte Carlo) is allowed to replace an ATP 500 if a player manages only 3 ATP 500 plus 4 Slams. Check Rule 9.03 on Commitment Players on page 188 of the Rule Book. A 250 cannot replace a 500. They lose the points unless Andy drop Bangkok in September then he would be allowed to replace it with Brisbane. I hope I'm clear.
The rules for top players are they're only allowed to play 2x ATP 250, 4 x ATP 500, 8 mandatory ATP 1000 (Monte Carlo) is allowed to replace an ATP 500 if a player manages only 3 ATP 500 plus 4 Slams. Check Rule 9.03 on Commitment Players on page 188 of the Rule Book. A 250 cannot replace a 500. They lose the points unless Andy drop Bangkok in September then he would be allowed to replace it with Brisbane. I hope I'm clear.
They've changed the rule. Now it says:
Commitment Players. The year-end South African Airways ATP Rankings (singles) is based on calculating, for each player, his total points from the four (4) Grand Slams, the eight (8) mandatory ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments and the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals of the ranking period, and his best six (6) results from all ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250, ATP Challenger Tour and Futures tournaments.
Top-30 players have still to play 4 "500" (or to get a 0 pointer if they don't), but they aren't obliged to count them in their ranking. Hypotetically a player could count 6 "250" or even 6 "500" in his own ranking.
Only problem no-one knows *when* they'll start implementing this new rule.
Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 22:09
The rules for top players are they're only allowed to play 2x ATP 250, 4 x ATP 500, 8 mandatory ATP 1000 (Monte Carlo) is allowed to replace an ATP 500 if a player manages only 3 ATP 500 plus 4 Slams. Check Rule 9.03 on Commitment Players on page 188 of the Rule Book. A 250 cannot replace a 500. They lose the points unless Andy drop Bangkok in September then he would be allowed to replace it with Brisbane. I hope I'm clear.
They've changed the rule. Now it says:
Commitment Players. The year-end South African Airways ATP Rankings (singles) is based on calculating, for each player, his total points from the four (4) Grand Slams, the eight (8) mandatory ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments and the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals of the ranking period, and his best six (6) results from all ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250, ATP Challenger Tour and Futures tournaments.
Top-30 players have still to play 4 "500" (or to get a 0 pointer if they don't), but they aren't obliged to count them in their ranking. Hypotetically a player could count 6 "250" or even 6 "500" in his own ranking.
Only problem no-one knows *when* they'll start implementing this new rule.
I've been doing some work on Andy's rankings and when I checked his current counting points I found they included the WTF so I went into FAQ's where i found this:
In 2012, any player who finished in the 2011 year-end Top 30 will be required to compete in 4 Grand Slam tournaments and 8 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments. In addition, the Best 4 ATP World Tour 500 and Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking. All direct acceptance players at the time of the entry deadline who do not play will receive a 0-pointer in their ranking. The eight players who qualify for the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals will count an additional 19th tournament on their ranking.
So that cleared up why the ATP/WTF was in there BUT it seems to conflict with any idea of an 'option' to count any 6 other tournament scores beyond the 4 Slams and 8 Masters .
It may well be that they've not yet bothered to update the FAQ's (would we be surprised?). However, it seems to be those rules they're following in calculating Andy's current ranking rather than the 'new' set posted by Raven from Rule 9.03.
Madeline
09-01-2012, 22:13
I'm pretty sure they have just not updated the FAQ.
The new rules will have to be implemented some time, but it seems they have decided not to make the change en masse at the start of the year; if they do not start making the change when the first 500 points drop off (Rotterdam week) I will be amazed.
goodness me this is complicated!!! Well done to all those trying to fathom it out!
Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 22:26
There's now 2 threads for discussing Rankings.
- this one is all to do with Andy so please try to keep comments in here to do with his ranking.
- the other is for all other ATP players and is in Tour Tennis (as it always used to be)
+ there may be another thread with Steven's charts in but that's tbc.
The ATP thread is in need of a bit of a tidy up and there are some posts to move into here from that thread and also the Oz Open thread too. So, if you're looking for a post don't think it's been deleted! It'll take a bit of time to get it all straight so please bear with us over the next day or so.
:thanks:
Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 22:27
Andy's ranking breakdown as of 9th January 2012 with an explanation of how the ATP calculated it. I took the following from their FAQ's about how the rankings are calculated. However, it seems different from that posted in their own Rulebook for 2012!!!
In 2012, any player who finished in the 2011 year-end Top 30 will be required to compete in 4 Grand Slam tournaments and 8 ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments. In addition, the Best 4 ATP World Tour 500 and Best 2 other events (ATP World Tour 250 and Challengers) will be counted towards a player's ranking. All direct acceptance players at the time of the entry deadline who do not play will receive a 0-pointer in their ranking. The eight players who qualify for the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals will count an additional 19th tournament on their ranking.
The South African Airways ATP Rankings period is the immediate past 52 weeks, except for The Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, which is dropped on the Monday following the last regular-season ATP event of the following year.
Date added
Countable Tournament (19)
Round
Points
Drop Date
20.11.11
WTF
RR
0
12.11.12
17.1.11
GS - Australian Open
F
1200
30.1.12
22.5.11
GS - French Open
S
720
4.5.12
20.6.11
GS - Wimbledon
S
720
2.7.12
29.8.11
GS - US Open
S
720
10.9.12
10.3.11
MS - Indian Wells
R64
10
19.3.12
23.3.11
MS - Miami
R64
10
2.4.12
10.4.11
MS - Monte Carlo *
S
360
16.4.12
1.5.11
MS - Madrid
R16
90
7.5.12
8.5.11
MS - Rome
S
360
14.5.12
8.8.11
MS - Canada
R32
10
13.8.12
14.8.11
MS - Cincinnati
W
1000
20.8.12
9.10.11
MS - Shanghai
W
1000
15.10.12
7.11.11
MS - Paris
Q
180
12.11.12
7.2.11
500 - Rotterdam
R32
0
13.2.12
21.2.11
500 - Dubai
-
0
27.2.12
3.10.11
500 - Tokyo
W
500
8.10.12
500 - * AM's 4th is M/Carlo
26.9.11
250 - Bangkok
W
250
1.10.12
1.1.12
250 - Brisbane
W
250
7.1.13
CURRENT TOTAL
7380
NON-COUNTABLES
6.6.11
250 - Queens, London
W
250
11.6.12
Sallydaisy
10-01-2012, 10:34
Looking at Steven's chart it seems as though Andy has his work cut out to reach #1 this year ..... and he won't get close until the middle of the year.
david1610
11-01-2012, 13:00
Another wrinkle (please correct me) is that the WTF this year will contain the top eight tennis players on the ATP Tour but not necessarily the best eight tennis players in 2012. Imagine the player ranked eighth under the ATP ranking scheme finishes the year with ten points more than the ninth ranked player, but goes out in the first round of the Olympics and the player ranked ninth gets a medal of some kind at the Olympics. He has clearly had a better season than the eighth.
Oh and what about Davis Cup points and when they come onstream.
I am not a stats person but if, say, by Wimbledon or the USO, the implementation of the rules (or not) affects whether Andy is seeded number 2, or number 3, then it has a considerable effect on his changes in that slam. It might also influence whether a 2011 top 30 player gets a seeding (32) or not at a GS, so the players representative really does need to sort this out with the ATP.
supergran
11-01-2012, 13:08
Need to read that again David or even a third time:laugh: I'm not a stats woman!!
I thought I had heard some where that players could only start to count a third or more 250 event if they had actually competed at 4 500 events (including Monte Carlo) and as Andy withdrew from Dubai he only actually played 3 last year. This might explain it or it could be a complete red herring I certainly have not looked in any of the rule books to check this.
There's now 2 threads for discussing Rankings.
- this one is all to do with Andy so please try to keep comments in here to do with his ranking.
- the other is for all other ATP players and is in Tour Tennis (as it always used to be)
+ there may be another thread with Steven's charts in but that's tbc.
The ATP thread is in need of a bit of a tidy up and there are some posts to move into here from that thread and also the Oz Open thread too. So, if you're looking for a post don't think it's been deleted! It'll take a bit of time to get it all straight so please bear with us over the next day or so.
:thanks:
I think Steven's chart is best kept in here as it is built around what Andy needs to do to improve his ranking so is relevant to this. I would not wwant to see a third rankings thread.
Madeline
12-01-2012, 19:15
I thought I had heard some where that players could only start to count a third or more 250 event if they had actually competed at 4 500 events (including Monte Carlo) and as Andy withdrew from Dubai he only actually played 3 last year. This might explain it or it could be a complete red herring I certainly have not looked in any of the rule books to check this.
Well that was the situation in last year's rules. But now that the new Rulebook says 6 best from any 500, 250, Challenger or Futures, I don't see how that can apply any more. If Andy had been the only top 30 player not to be counting more 250s it would still have seemed to apply, but he is not.
2012 Rulebook:
9.03 South African Airways ATP Rankings (Singles)
A. Commitment Players. The year-end South African Airways ATP Rankings (singles)
is based on calculating, for each player, his total points from the four (4) Grand Slams,
the eight (8) mandatory ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments and the Barclays
ATP World Tour Finals of the ranking period, and his best six (6) results from all ATP
World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250, ATP Challenger Tour and Futures tournaments.
For every Grand Slam or mandatory ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournament for
which a player is not in the main draw, and was not (and, in the case of a Grand
Slam, would not have been, had he and all other players entered) a main draw direct
acceptance on the original acceptance list, and never became a main draw direct acceptance,
the number of his results from all other eligible tournaments in the ranking
period, that count for his ranking, is increased by one (1). In weeks where there are
not four (4) Grand Slams and eight (8) ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments in
the ranking period, the number of a player’s best results from all eligible tournaments
in the ranking period will be adjusted accordingly. Once a player is accepted in the
main draw of one of these twelve (12) tournaments, as a direct acceptance, a qualifi
er, a special exempt or a lucky loser, or having accepted a wild card, his result in this
tournament shall count for his ranking, whether or not he participates.
Madeline
13-01-2012, 19:34
Correction - Yorkie was right :flowers:
There is a new Q&A:
Q. What is the ranking structure and formula in 2012?
A. In November 2011, the ATP Board passed a rule to allow more flexibility in which tournaments count toward the ranking of a commitment player in 2012.
Commitment players (top 30 in 2011 year-end ranking) can count their best six (6) results from ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250 and other events (Challengers, Futures, Davis Cup, Olympics) toward their ranking. To count their best six (6), players must have fulfilled their commitment to 500 events - 4 total per year (at least 1 after the US Open).
Additionally, commitment players will no longer need to enter the 500 events 12 weeks in advance but instead go back the normal 6-week entry deadline.
So it looks as though Andy will have wait until (and actually play) Dubai before he can count all his 250s.
Sallydaisy
13-01-2012, 19:45
So it looks as though Andy will have wait until (and actually play) Dubai before he can count all his 250s.
And if he played well he might have a win in Dubai and 500 points to include 'cos presumably then one of the 250's could replace his 0 for Rotterdam?
Madeline
13-01-2012, 22:49
I had to think hard about that, because the Rotterdam zero will have dropped off by then, but as he will still presumably be carrying a penalty zero for not having played 4 500s at that point, I would think that week he will be able to add the new Dubai points plus replace the penalty with his third 250. But, with the ATP, I suspect nobody will know for sure until it happens!
VamosVixs
28-01-2012, 18:58
When can Andy catch Federer? Hoping Andy can get to number 3 soon as he deserves it.
traveller7
28-01-2012, 18:59
Maybe after RG slam?
He could catch Fed at Miami, as Andy has only 10 points to defend at both of IW and Miami. Unfortunately, temporarily Andy falls further behind Fed as Fed has defended his points at AO and Andy hasn't.
banskogirl
28-01-2012, 19:43
I really think we can cope with this at the minute cause it really feels like it's only a matter of time before Andy passes Fed for good :)
VamosVixs
28-01-2012, 19:45
Yes I believe that when Andy passes Federer he will stay ahead! :)
banskogirl
28-01-2012, 19:58
I think Fed feels it too :)
JAMES4578
28-01-2012, 19:58
I'm sure that will be the case and Andy is bound to have a better spring hardcourt swing this time!
banskogirl
28-01-2012, 20:01
Yes it's the bright side off having an off swing ;)
Fed knows that he only retained the year end number 3 slot because Andy was injured - once it goes I'm sure it'll be gone for good.
As of today the ranking points are:
Djokovic 13630 pts
Nadal 10435 pts
Federer 8010 pts
Andy 6900 pts
Taking away all the points till the end of Miami:
Djokovic 11130 pts (playing Dubai, Miami, IW)
Nadal 9195 pts (playing Miami IW)
Federer 6990 pts (playing DC, Rotterdam, Dubai, IW, Miami)
Andy 6880 pts* (playing Dubai, IW, Miami)
*Depending on when ATP will implement the new rule about 500/250/equivalent tournaments, Andy could count 250 points more.
Madeline
01-02-2012, 21:08
Fed adding Rotterdam to his schedule may mean that he can get more points to keep Andy back, but I wonder how his bad back will stand up to playing all those tournaments.
patmoren
01-02-2012, 21:37
I bet he withdraws from some of them.
david1610
02-02-2012, 12:49
Although an approximation, Andy more or less needs to just do a little better than Fed in the two Masters, it seems to me.
Although an approximation, Andy more or less needs to just do a little better than Fed in the two Masters, it seems to me.
Yes.
There are some question marks around, like when and if Andy will be able to count his 250 points from Brisbane and/or if Fed will be allowed to count Rotterdam, Dubai and DC points or only some of those (again it depends on when they'll implement the new rule about 500/250 tournaments), but if Andy manages to do better than Fed in the Masters he should overtake him no matter what.
Of course, then Andy has got more points to defend from MC to Rome (810 vs 630).
david1610
02-02-2012, 22:27
In the big scheme of course, until Roger hangs up his rackets or a Tsonga Soderling Berdych or del Potro start playing consistently well, or Daviid suddenly gets more power in his shot (mistyped that as short first time round!), the ranking is almost going to take care of itself and whether Andy is 3 or 4 is not going to make a lot of difference as he is going to have to play Rafa and Nole or Nole or Rafa or just possibly Roger, to win anything big. And when he does, that will take care of the ranking anyways!!!
Sallydaisy
02-02-2012, 22:30
And when he does, that will take care of the ranking anyways!!!
:thumbup:
...and whether Andy is 3 or 4 is not going to make a lot of difference
It's not going to make any difference in the slams, but it could make a difference in other tournaments if either Nole or Rafa doesn't turn up, when the no.3 player gets the no.2 seeding!
banskogirl
09-02-2012, 17:20
In the big scheme of course, until Roger hangs up his rackets or a Tsonga Soderling Berdych or del Potro start playing consistently well, or Daviid suddenly gets more power in his shot (mistyped that as short first time round!), the ranking is almost going to take care of itself and whether Andy is 3 or 4 is not going to make a lot of difference as he is going to have to play Rafa and Nole or Nole or Rafa or just possibly Roger, to win anything big. And when he does, that will take care of the ranking anyways!!!
Well said! :)
Madeline
13-02-2012, 09:09
Andy's 0 from Rotterdam last year has dropped off, and he is now able to count all his 250s! So his points have gone up to 7150.
JUST had a look at odds for french open andy is as much as 20/1 with some, surprisingly tho del p is 4th favorite at 12s
http://www.easyodds.com/sports-betting/tennis-betting/grand-slams/french-open/outright/mens-singles-winner.html
At 20/1 Andy's definitely worth a flutter!
Some of them have DelPo as 4th fav and some have Andy. Some have DelPo as 3rd fav ahead of Fed. But they all seem to reckon it's a two-horse race.
Some of them have DelPo as 4th fav and some have Andy. Some have DelPo as 3rd fav ahead of Fed. But they all seem to reckon it's a two-horse race.How wrong they will be proved to be. I don't think it is a two horse race.
How wrong they will be proved to be. I don't think it is a two horse race.
Well, it will be by the final... ;)
Well, it will be by the final... ;)
Yes and the only issue is, which 2 horses! So maybe it will be a 2 horse race but not with the 2 that some are anticipating.
With the start of IW today just a quick post as Andy can go to number 3 after IW by winning the tournament. However even if Andy did that if Federer wins just one match they would be level on points and need to be seperated on count back and if he wins 2 matches then any chance of number 3 is delayed to Miami at the earliest.
As regards his ranking, I'm delighted to see Andy laying down the gauntlet publicly of aiming for #1. I think this could be another clever Lendl ploy to take the mental pressure off Andy for the GSs. Instead of a GS being the elephant in the room and the focus of the training for peaking purposes, a GS is now just in the ranking points mix of trying to peg back the opposition in every tournament, ie Roger, Rafa and Nole, and trying to prevent them from gaining too many ranking points. So the focus is still on winning but with a kind of different slant to it because it's not just to win a GS but to go absolutely as far as poss in each and every tournie and so giving that 110% all the time and not just in spurts.
Aussie Andy
09-03-2012, 09:13
I look forward to Andy being No.1 and a Slam Champion (multiple times over, hopefully). How should we celebrate it?
:wino::band::shelebrate::party::party::mexican::ba nd::pillows:
Oops, better not get ahead of ourselves!
I look forward to Andy being No.1 and a Slam Champion (multiple times over, hopefully). How should we celebrate it?
:wino::band::shelebrate::party::party::mexican::ba nd::pillows:
Oops, better not get ahead of ourselves!
Eeeekk!!!
:cauldron: :lol:
david1610
10-03-2012, 13:53
It will certainly be, ahem, an iconic day!
Aussie Andy - your post is :lol: ;)
:wino: :no worries: :jitterbug:
Aussie Andy
11-03-2012, 08:36
OUCH. :doh::shamed: :dunce:
It must be my fault he lost at Indian Wells - I jinxed him. Sorry, I wrote that wrong, I look forward to the time when Andy will be 9999th in the world, with no Grand Slam titles at all. ;)
i think the $300000 odd andy gets for reaching final pushes him through $20 mil in prize money,just $20,000 behind all time number 10 arod
Aussie Andy
30-03-2012, 23:28
OUCH. :doh::shamed: :dunce:
It must be my fault he lost at Indian Wells - I jinxed him. Sorry, I wrote that wrong, I look forward to the time when Andy will be 9999th in the world, with no Grand Slam titles at all. ;)
I knew it! I unjinxed him and now he's through to the Miami final!
Of course I'm deeply depressed by this, and shall eat some chocolate to celeb- um, comfort myself, while I look forward to his inevitable fall.
i think the $300000 odd andy gets for reaching final pushes him through $20 mil in prize money,just $20,000 behind all time number 10 arod
Not bad going -- I'd take that salary any day! :p
Not bad going -- I'd take that salary any day! :pand thats only prize money, possibbly double that in appearance fees & sponsorship
and thats only prize money, possibbly double that in appearance fees & sponsorship
Yeah, though I'm guessing he has lots of expensives with paying for Ivan (+all previous coaches), Matt/Jez/Andy, then the endless air fares and hotels (well not in Miami and London though!!! :)). Still a huge profit...
Double that in sponsorship etc, really??! I thought sponsorship was a deal for £1m over a good few years or something alike?
Yeah, though I'm guessing he has lots of expensives with paying for Ivan (+all previous coaches), Matt/Jez/Andy, then the endless air fares and hotels (well not in Miami and London though!!! :)). Still a huge profit...
Double that in sponsorship etc, really??! I thought sponsorship was a deal for £1m over a good few years or something alike?seem to remember adidas was £3,000,000 a year alone
seem to remember adidas was £3,000,000 a year alone
Blimey, an awesome deal there :shocked:
Blimey, an awesome deal there :shocked:and its a five year deal so even better
rbs was couple mil for a few years plus another 7 figure sum from highland spring & summit from head
dont thing its unreasonable to assume sponsorship is somewhere between 7-10 mil a year
imagine how much more it would have been if not for the misfortune of his geographic origins ;)
Madeline
31-03-2012, 22:33
Yes, he really should have been born in Switzerland. . .
david1610
01-04-2012, 02:22
I suspect a lot of hotel accommodation and flights must be thrown in as well.... certainly the former!
LC the fan
01-04-2012, 13:36
I see that Fed has dropped out of Monte Carlo. Did he play last year ? How many points is he defending ?
Sallydaisy
01-04-2012, 13:42
I see that Fed has dropped out of Monte Carlo. Did he play last year ? How many points is he defending ?
Bear in mind that Monte Carlo is NOT a mandatory Masters event. It became an optional a couple of years back and the commitment players can choose whether to play it without penalties. + they can count it as one of their 500's for ranking point purposes.
Federer wasn't ever on the Entry List this year - and he didn't play last year either. Apart from the non-mandatory status of MC Fed is one of a small group of players who has qualified to 'opt out' of certain events (under ATP Rules) because he's either played so many games or has won a number of titles or is over a certain age.
:lol:
Roddick is another such player. I think he's likely to skip MC as it's not mandatory and probably opt out of Rome (via his prerogative).
david1610
01-04-2012, 14:09
And to follow on from Sally's comment, Fed deserves respect for the number of matches he has played, as does Roddick, if you consider that as a service to the tennis viewing public.
Federer clearly msut have though carefully about this year - he has entered more hard court tournaments early in the year, and presumably is not giving quite as much importance to clay and RG as before (the key for me in the recent past were the two years he played Estoril - the only reason for that was extra RG practice) as he is opting to conserve energy for Wimbledon GS and Wimbledon Olympics plus saving energy for USO and WTF. He is out for GS, gold medals and WTF and I think he might be foregoing the Nole/Rafa clay court battles as much as he can to conserve energy!
A small correction to the above - Federer did play Monte Carlo last year - I was cheering very loudly for Melzer as he beat Fed in the quarters!
Sallydaisy
01-04-2012, 17:19
A small correction to the above - Federer did play Monte Carlo last year - I was cheering very loudly for Melzer as he beat Fed in the quarters!
Oooops! It was 2010 that he skipped.
:shamed:
In 2009 he lost in R16 to Stan and 2008/7/6 he lost in the Final to Rafa.
LC the fan
01-04-2012, 20:14
So he has got some points to lose ?????
So he has got some points to lose ?????not as many as andy
Sallydaisy
01-04-2012, 20:28
I see that Fed has dropped out of Monte Carlo. Did he play last year ? How many points is he defending ?
So he has got some points to lose ?????
Hi LC, sorry I gave wrong information earlier.
Linda's chart shows all the top 4 and their points for last year here (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?58-ATP-rankings-amp-Stats-including-Linda-s-chart&p=53159&viewfull=1#post53159).
Monte Carlo
Fed - 180
Andy - 360
Rafa - 1000
Nole - DNP
Total clay points to defend:
Nole - 2970
Rafa - 4700
Roger - 1830
Andy - 1530
DrewZiph
08-04-2012, 16:50
Came in to post pretty much the above about clay points.
Hoping Andy can at least match last years impressive efforts on the clay
btw andys $30,000 for winning yesterday means he is now inside top10 career earnings EVER
andy's defeat today in quarters means he will lose points on monday.
The points from last year's Monte Carlo have already come off I believe.
Madeline
20-04-2012, 13:57
Yes, they have, so he doesn't lose points from what he had on Monday, he gains 180. The points will be all over the place this year with most tournaments being held at a slightly different time to last year.
If Murray wins the title :mexican:,he would be within 700 ranking points of Nadal.
1.Roger Federer 11075
2.Novak Djokovic 11000
3.Rafael Nadal 8905
traveller7
08-07-2012, 18:24
So what does he get for coming runner up?
Steven @GBtennis
Yes, Muzz still WR 4. The range covering 1-4 has dropped from 5300 to 3615 in a fortnight tho http://bit.ly/H71ZGX @theweeyin87 @stu_fraser
has to be said andy has a lotta points to defend in next few months
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada
R32
10
13.08.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
W
1,000
20.08.201
US Open
S
720
10.09.2012
Tokyo
W
500
08.10.2012
Bangkok
W
250
01.10.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai
W
1,000
15.10.2012
rainy days
08-07-2012, 19:28
So what does he get for coming runner up?
1200 points, but he reached the semis last year so 480.
As can be seen from my chart in the rankings thread (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?58-ATP-rankings-amp-Stats-including-Linda-s-chart&p=82355#post82355).
As can be seen from my chart in the rankings thread (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?58-ATP-rankings-amp-Stats-including-Linda-s-chart&p=82355#post82355).sorry always get these threads mixed up
rainy days
08-07-2012, 19:55
As can be seen from my chart in the rankings thread (http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?58-ATP-rankings-amp-Stats-including-Linda-s-chart&p=82355#post82355).
Sorry. I hadn't seen that. :/
dewster99
08-07-2012, 19:56
closed the gap but alot to defend in comparison to the others in the US swing
No need to apologise, we have two threads because one is for rankings generally and one is for Andy's ranking so there is a certain amount of overlap.
i like the new rank for andy - with fedX and djo as 1 and 2, and rafa 3 and andy 4, means he should come up against djo or feddy in semi. which will be a new look at last.
Does anyone know how far Andy needs to go in Cincy to overtake Rafa to be no 3?
Does anyone know how far Andy needs to go in Cincy to overtake Rafa to be no 3?no chance, Andy has to defend a 1000 points ithink
Does anyone know how far Andy needs to go in Cincy to overtake Rafa to be no 3?
Yeah, J is right he can't overtake Rafa this week because he won Cincy last year. Rafa loses 180 points, so if Andy defends Cincy the gap between them is 515.
:thanks: Something I read somewhere is wrong then.
So I guess Andy has the possibility of overtaking Rafa at the US Open.
Yes, Andy will probably overtake Rafa at USO - as it seems increasingly likely that Rafa won't be there. Or if he is, he certainly won't be match fit.
Yes, Andy will probably overtake Rafa at USO - as it seems increasingly likely that Rafa won't be there. Or if he is, he certainly won't be match fit.
Rafa does not come back unless he is fit and able to play his best and play to win. good luck Rafa with the knee.
Andy is now 1425 points behind Rafa.
Nole is 895 points behind Roger.
1- Federer 12,165
2- Djokovic 11,270
3- Nadal 8,715
4- Andy 7,290
Aussie Andy
06-09-2012, 12:33
Question: Andy has defended his points from last year's US Open by making the semis. How far will he be behind Rafa in the potential situations of 1. making the final, but losing, and 2. winning the US Open?
Does anyone know the earliest point Andy can overtake Rafa?
edit: From looking at Linda's chart I make it Andy will become no 3 if he gets into the final.
banskogirl
06-09-2012, 19:12
Pity it's Rafa and in his circumstances :( Apart from that roll on Andy climbing the rankings ladder!
Aussie Andy
08-09-2012, 23:55
Congratulations for the World No. 3, Andy Murray!
:yahoo: Andy is now World no 3 :yahoo:
RoastLamb
09-09-2012, 17:13
What does he have to do to get to number 2???
Winning tomorrow would help!
traveller7
09-09-2012, 17:19
:yahoo: Andy is now World no 3 :yahoo:
Woop wooppppp :clap::dance:
Don't really feel I can celebrate as this has about as much meaning as when he went to #2 - I'd rather it were because he'd earned the points and not because Rafa is out of the picture at the moment.
Aussie Andy
10-09-2012, 08:53
True, for tennis fans it has less meaning, but it sounds better to the average person. Anyhow, surely if Andy wins the Open you can't say he doesn't deserve it, can you? He's had a stellar year slam- and Olympic- wise.
I can remember commentators saying a few weeks ago that it was theoretically possible for Andy to get to no 1 at the end of the year. I don't know if that is still true, as it could depend on the results of Djokovic and Federer in their events too, but they were saying he would have to win the ATP world final in November and most of his other tournaments.
Don't really feel I can celebrate as this has about as much meaning as when he went to #2 - I'd rather it were because he'd earned the points and not because Rafa is out of the picture at the moment.
I think that's a bit harsh, pabbers. 2 major finals and an Olympic gold medal means he's earned his place IMO. A major title would certainly rubber stamp his position or are you suggesting Andy wouldn't have got this far if Rafa had been around?
I think it's realistic rather than "harsh". I'm suggesting that I'd rather he'd got this far with Rafa around than by default, which, whichever way you look at it, is the situation at the moment, as it was when he became #2 - and I'm not a huge Rafa fan by the way (nor am I anti Rafa) - hope that's a bit clearer.
Don't really feel I can celebrate as this has about as much meaning as when he went to #2 - I'd rather it were because he'd earned the points and not because Rafa is out of the picture at the moment.no offense but total nonsense, ranking are based on year round performance if a player cant keep him self fit during the whole 12 month period then that's just tuff
no offense but total nonsense, ranking are based on year round performance if a player cant keep him self fit during the whole 12 month period then that's just tuff
None taken and yes, I suppose that's a way of looking at it that I hadn't thought of. But anyway, hopefully #2 will be beckoning soon.
Madeline
11-09-2012, 13:01
I nearly died of shock this morning. I opened the ATP rankings page, and Andy was still 4th! Checked the date, yes, 10th September. I was frantically trying to see where we all had gone wrong in our calculations then I realised - the rankings page now opens at the Race rankings, not the Entry rankings!
DaveArneRiise
11-09-2012, 13:32
1 Federer, Roger (SUI) 11,805
2 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,470
3 Murray, Andy (GBR) 8,570
4 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 7,515
5 Ferrer, David (ESP) 5,915
6 Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 4,830
7 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) 4,520
8 Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG) 3,890
9 Tipsarevic, Janko (SRB) 3,285
10 Isner, John (USA) 2,610
11 Monaco, Juan (ARG) 2,565
12 Almagro, Nicolas (ESP) 2,475
13 Cilic, Marin (CRO) 2,455
14 Gasquet, Richard (FRA) 2,165
15 Raonic, Milos (CAN) 2,080
16 Nishikori, Kei (JPN) 1,870
17 Wawrinka, Stanislas (SUI) 1,865
18 Kohlschreiber, Philipp (GER) 1,855
19 Dolgopolov, Alexandr (UKR) 1,815
20 Simon, Gilles (FRA) 1,800
Men's ranking after US Open2012
daveollie
11-09-2012, 19:40
Andy's points for this win won't be added until next week's rankings will they, due to the monday finish???
DrewZiph
11-09-2012, 20:50
Andy's points for this win won't be added until next week's rankings will they, due to the monday finish???
Incorrect
Madeline
11-09-2012, 21:36
No, they held back the rankings for a day, though they are still dated for Monday. But take care if you go to the ATP site for the rankings figures - the link now takes you to the Race to London rankings (where Andy is still #4) not the Entry rankings.
There was an interesting article in the Tennis Space about when Andy could become no 1.
Tennis Space (http://www.thetennisspace.com/2012/09/what-murray-has-to-do-to-become-world-no-1-this-year/) - What Murray has to do to become world No 1 this year
banskogirl
13-09-2012, 22:25
No, they held back the rankings for a day, though they are still dated for Monday. But take care if you go to the ATP site for the rankings figures - the link now takes you to the Race to London rankings (where Andy is still #4) not the Entry rankings.
There is also a link on that page to take you to ATP Rankings which has Andy at 3 :)
hfwardhouse
13-09-2012, 22:51
And looking at the rankings Rafa has in fact only played 1 less tournament than Andy this year ....
And looking at the rankings Rafa has in fact only played 1 less tournament than Andy this year ....hope your not implying Andy deserves his number 3 spot :shocked::shocked:
hfwardhouse
14-09-2012, 08:07
Of course he does ... and he deserves to go even higher :big grin:
Madeline
14-09-2012, 08:17
There is also a link on that page to take you to ATP Rankings which has Andy at 3 :)
Yes, I know - I was merely pointing out that the link that up until this Monday took us straight to the Entry Rankings now takes us to the Race, so you have to click another link to get there. I was baffled for quite a few minutes before I realised what they had done - though I now remember they did this last year, too. My memory isn't good enough!
LC the fan
17-09-2012, 13:10
Andy did pretty well in the Asian swing last year - how many points is he defending ?
Sallydaisy
17-09-2012, 13:31
Andy did pretty well in the Asian swing last year - how many points is he defending ?
1750 ...
250 from Bangkok (which he's not defending) which are taken off next Monday 26th Sept
500 from Tokyo where he'll be defending champion this year (starts 1st October)
1000 from Shanghai Masters.
The 2011 points come off for all three the week before he plays the 2012 event.
He picked up an injury somewhere along the line and withdrew from Basle; didn't do well in Valencia or Paris and only played 1 round at the WTF. Since he's down to play those 4 tournaments again he has chance to pick up quite a few points this year.
World Championship
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
20.11.2011
Barclays ATP World Tour Finals
RR
0
12.11.2012
Grand Slams
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
27.08.2012
US Open
W
2,000
09.09.2013
25.06.2012
Wimbledon
F
1,200
08.07.2013
16.01.2012
Australian Open
S
720
28.01.2013
27.05.2012
Roland Garros
Q
360
10.06.2013
ATP World Tour Masters 1000
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
09.10.2011
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Shanghai
W
1,000
15.10.2012
21.03.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Miami
F
600
01.04.2013
15.04.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo
Q
180
22.04.2013
07.11.2011
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris
Q
180
12.11.2012
12.08.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Cincinnati
R16
90
19.08.2013
06.08.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Canada
R16
90
12.08.2013
13.05.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Rome
R16
90
20.05.2013
08.03.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Indian Wells
R64
10
18.03.2013
06.05.2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid
-
0
13.05.2013
ATP World Tour 500
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
25.07.2012
London Olympics
W
750
05.08.2013
03.10.2011
Tokyo
W
500
08.10.2012
27.02.2012
Dubai
F
300
04.03.2013
Best of Other Countable Tournaments
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
01.01.2012
Brisbane
W
250
07.01.2013
26.09.2011
Bangkok
W
250
01.10.2012
Non-Countable Tournaments
Date
Tournament
Round
Points
Drop Date
23.04.2012
Barcelona
Q
90
29.04.2013
11.06.2012
London / Queen's Club
R32
0
17.06.2013
Madeline
17-09-2012, 21:58
He picked up an injury somewhere along the line and withdrew from Basle; didn't do well in Valencia or Paris and only played 1 round at the WTF. Since he's down to play those 4 tournaments again he has chance to pick up quite a few points this year.
It's actually 3 tournaments: he didn't enter Valencia last year and can't this year either - it's the same week as Basel.
Sallydaisy
17-09-2012, 23:00
It's actually 3 tournaments: he didn't enter Valencia last year and can't this year either - it's the same week as Basel.
Ahh ... I should have remembered that
:doh:
Aussie Andy
25-09-2012, 01:51
So let me get this straight:
Andy's current points are: 8570. He loses 250 points from Bangkok, which places him at 8320.
Now, if he defends Tokyo and Shanghai, defends his 180 points from Paris and goes on to win the title, wins Basel and WTF, (8320 + 2820) he could potentially be sitting on 11,140 points at the end of the year and be truly awesome. As this would mean Fed and Djok can't defend their points from last year, they would be demoted and Andy would be reigning No.1 as well as Grand Slam champion.
Daydreaming about Andy is great fun. ;)
We all dream AA. It's possible - highly unlikely, I'm sure, but possible!
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline
With his Tokyo SF appearance, Andy Murray passes Rafael Nadal in year-to-date points. #atp
LC the fan
03-01-2013, 19:02
Just looking at the ATP website it seems that Ferrer will pass Rafa and join the top four. Pleased for him but what a shame for Rafa. Somehow I have my doubts if he will be back on all surfaces
banskogirl
06-01-2013, 12:04
Love wee Daveed but sad isn't it :( poor Rafa!
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg
Not only would Andy Murray still be No3 with a win Sunday, he'd be a full 985 points behind Federer. Had a rough 2012 at Masterses. #ausopen
DaveArneRiise
25-01-2013, 13:12
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg
The ranking system really is flawed. Djokovic and Murray have clearly demonstrated over the past 15 months or so that they are the best two players in the world. Ridiculous that Murray would still be 985 points behind Federer even if he wins on sunday.
Sallydaisy
25-01-2013, 13:21
The ranking system really is flawed. Djokovic and Murray have clearly demonstrated over the past 15 months or so that they are the best two players in the world. Ridiculous that Murray would still be 985 points behind Federer even if he wins on sunday.
I think it's to do with the timings of when the guys clock up the points. During the early part of last year Andy was building his working relationship with Lendl and didn't do as well in the Masters events which were keeping his ranking up in the absence of Slam wins. Federer was holding steady and came back himself to win matches so he's still riding high. Given Andy's clay record it's not surprising that Lendl is planning to improve Murray's game on that surface because he could mop up a few points there this year.
There's a chance to make some inroads at Indian Wells and Miami, when Andy's defending 610 points and Roger's defending 1045:thumbup:
Sallydaisy
25-01-2013, 17:14
There's a chance to make some inroads at Indian Wells and Miami, when Andy's defending 610 points and Roger's defending 1045:thumbup:
Fed is also defending wins in Rotterdam and Dubai (2 x 500 points) in February and he might struggle to do that. He has 150pts from Halle sitting in his non-countable reserve at the moment.
Andy is defending 300 from Dubai but when they drop he can add in his Brisbane 2013 points from his current non-countables so he'll only drop a nett 50.
Unfortunately, Andy is unlikely to play a match in February (unless he DOES go to Delray Beach) 'cos he's said he'll be in Florida working with Lendl.
Sallydaisy
15-02-2013, 20:35
Excellent :big grin:
Even better ...
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg) Correction on that Federer tweet: he'll actually drop 410 points with this loss.
Murray *could* get No2 if he wins Indian Wells. #atp (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23atp&src=hash)
Points defences:
Rotterdam: Fed 500 Andy 0
Dubai: Fed 500 Andy 300
I/Wells:Fed 1000 Andy 10
Miami: Fed 45 Andy 600
Monte: Fed 0 Andy 180
Barca: Fed 0 Andy 90
Madrid: Fed 1000 Andy 0
Rome: Fed 360 Andy 90
French O: Fed 720 Andy 360
TOTAL TO END OF CLAY SEASON: Fed 4125 Andy 1630
I copied Sally's post from the Rotterdam thread as it belongs here too.
So if Andy does well at Indian Wells and Federer does not, Andy's points are going to rise and he should gain on Federer or even overtake him. :)
I think Andy will overtake him if he wins IW and Fed doesn't make the final :)
david1610
16-02-2013, 19:06
I am personally not too worried about the points as I am sure Andy will be in the top two soon, because until he got the GS he was focusing just on them in terms of giving it absolutely everything. Now he has one, he is clearly focusing on GSs and Masters - or not letting a defeat in a GS final carry over to future tournaments - and that should lead to fewer first round losses at those - remember Andy has had a "first round or final" pattern in many of his tournaments and unless he draws somebody playing out of his skin in the first round, with this new mentality, first round defeats should be much less likely.
The only thing perhaps more open this year than previous years is the clay court season if Rafa does not get back to his imperious self on that surface. There might be more chances/points available than previously.
LC the fan
19-02-2013, 15:55
Rafa is going to be a pain in the side of one of the top 4 though. Ranked 5, he is going to be scheduled to play one of them in the quarters. What do we all bet it wont be Saint Fed
Rafa is going to be a pain in the side of one of the top 4 though. Ranked 5, he is going to be scheduled to play one of them in the quarters. What do we all bet it wont be Saint Fed
For once he did have a tougher draw in Australia
david1610
20-02-2013, 22:41
Rafa is going to be a pain in the side of one of the top 4 though. Ranked 5, he is going to be scheduled to play one of them in the quarters. What do we all bet it wont be Saint Fed
Look at it from Rafa's point of view - he may have to beat 3 of the top 4 (remember the "honorary" fourth member, David Ferrer is no slouch on clay!) in the Masters and RG!
This was on the ATP site
http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2013/03/10/Federer-Defend-Number-Two-Emirates-ATP-Ranking.aspx
If Murray wins the Indian Wells title he is guaranteed to move to No. 2. If the Dunblane native finishes runner-up, Federer needs to reach the semi-finals or better to hold second spot. If Murray fails to reach the final he cannot overtake Federer.
LC the fan
07-03-2013, 17:15
Then let's hope RAfa does us a favour and dethrones Fed in the quarters and Fed can wave as Andy goes by
Then let's hope RAfa does us a favour and dethrones Fed in the quarters and Fed can wave as Andy goes by
While this would also give Andy a cushion over Fed, I can't help feeling that beating Fed in the final to overtake him would be sweeter.
banskogirl
07-03-2013, 21:40
Then let's hope RAfa does us a favour and dethrones Fed in the quarters and Fed can wave as Andy goes by
While this would also give Andy a cushion over Fed, I can't help feeling that beating Fed in the final to overtake him would be sweeter.
Either works for me :)
supergran
07-03-2013, 23:40
Either works for me :)And for me!:thumbup:
Golden Lady
08-03-2013, 09:11
I also don't mind how he does it, I just think it's important to get it done asap. That no 2 ranking/seeding, esp at the slams is really crucial in ensuring there's no chance of facing Nole until the final. I think that might be key this year.
I also don't mind how he does it, I just think it's important to get it done asap. That no 2 ranking/seeding, esp at the slams is really crucial in ensuring there's no chance of facing Nole until the final. I think that might be key this year.
Number 2 could even give the possibility of avoiding all three of Nole, Federer and Rafa until a final while Rafa remains at number 5. Now wouldn't that look like a good draw.
Golden Lady
08-03-2013, 14:16
Number 2 could even give the possibility of avoiding all three of Nole, Federer and Rafa until a final while Rafa remains at number 5. Now wouldn't that look like a good draw.
Now that's a canny thought ;)
Btw, nice to see you posting again Yorkie :thumbup:
This was on the ATP site
If Murray wins the Indian Wells title he is guaranteed to move to No. 2. If the Dunblane native finishes runner-up, Federer needs to reach the semi-finals or better to hold second spot. If Murray fails to reach the final he cannot overtake Federer.
So as Federer is out it takes 2 more victories by Andy this week and world number 2 is acheived for the second time. Of course 3 victories would be even sweeter
Sallydaisy
16-03-2013, 10:16
So as Federer is out it takes 2 more victories by Andy this week and world number 2 is acheived for the second time. Of course 3 victories would be even sweeter
Unfortunately, Andy didn't make it to the SF.
I think he'll only be 365 points behind Federer as of Monday's rankings but would have to win Miami and notch up 1000 points (he's defending 600 points from his Finalist placing in 2012) to move to #2 before the clay season starts.
banskogirl
16-03-2013, 12:31
Not undo able but feels too soon after last night/this morning to start getting excited already! :)
Sallydaisy
16-03-2013, 14:51
Thought I'd set up a chart to make it easier to follow:-
Ranking (Monday)
Andy
Murray
Roger
Federer
Net Difference
(- is RF ahead)
Pts Andy needs
to make #2
4th March
8180
9535
-1355
IW deduct (defending)
10
1000
8170
8535
-365
400 more than RF!
add points won I/Wells
180
180
0
18th March
8350
8715
-365
Miami deduct (defending)
600
45
-555
At start of Miami
7750
8670
-920
1000 (win Miami)
add points won Miami
1000
0
1st April (if no wins)
8750
8670
80
MC deduct (defending)
180
0
-180
At start of Monte Carlo
8570
8670
-100
add points won Monte Carlo
?
0
* see below
22nd April (after MC)
8570
8670
Barcelona deduct (defending)?
90
0
- 90
At start of Barcelona
8480
8670
-190
add points won Barcelona 500
?
0
29th April (after Barcelona)
8480
8670
Madrid deduct (defending)
0
1000
+1000
At start of Madrid
8480
7670
+ 810
add points won Madrid
?
?
13th May (after Madrid)
8480
7670
Rome deduct (defending)
90
360
+270
8390
7310
+1080
nothing ... **
add points won Rome
?
?
20th May (after Rome)
8390
7310
Effectively (and I'm sure other statistics people will correct if I have this wrong) it means that Andy now has 3 Masters tournaments from which to gain 200 more points than Federer to make the #2 spot ahead of the Rome Masters and then Roland Garros.
Federer is not playing Miami or Monte Carlo (at the moment) and returns on 6th May to defend his Madrid title. He could change his mind ...
Murray is playing Miami and Monte Carlo where he's defending a total of 780 points.
He's not playing Barcelona where he's also defending 90 points.
** if neither Andy nor Roger played again between Miami and Roland Garros the differential in PTD would mean Andy going into the French Open as #2 with just 80 points in hand.
See calculation below:-
AM: 8350 -960 = 7390
RF: 8670-1360 - 7310
The Independent has confirmed that Andy will reach no 2 if he wins Miami.
Sallydaisy
17-03-2013, 00:45
The Independent has confirmed that Andy will reach no 2 if he wins Miami.
They took their time!!! Steven on GBtennis (amongst others) has had that worked out for yonks!
:lol:
banskogirl
17-03-2013, 15:17
Steven is our 'independent':)
Steven @GBtennis
Muzz is now just 320 points behind Fed with 400 at stake in the Final,the lines on http://bit.ly/UDpkG9 so close they almost touch ...
Might have been asked elsewhere, but when was the last time neither Fed nor Rafa were in the top 2?
Edit: Looking at ATP site, i make it w/c 10/11/2003
Just posted the answer to that on another thread.
Thanks, I just saw that, at least i was right.
LC the fan
02-04-2013, 09:49
Oh what a pleasure to go on to the ATP website and look at those rankings !
Is Fed down to play Monte Carlo ?....if not it could be a temporary stay as no 2 before Andy gets that spot con solidated
I believe Fed's giving it a miss this year :)
Sallydaisy
02-04-2013, 18:25
Oh what a pleasure to go on to the ATP website and look at those rankings !
Is Fed down to play Monte Carlo ?....if not it could be a temporary stay as no 2 before Andy gets that spot con solidated
As Linda says, Federer isn't planning to play at MC at the moment. Whether or not he opts to ask for a wildcard for there or Barcelona remains to be seen.
I had posted a chart on the previous page but here it is now updated after Miami.
You'll see that Fed is not scheduled to earn any points until he plays in Madrid.
If either AM or RF have entered a tourney there's a green question mark ?
If they're not entered they can't earn points hence there's a 0.
Ranking (Monday)
Andy
Murray
Roger
Federer
Net Difference
(- is RF ahead)
Pts Andy needs
to make #2
4th March
8180
9535
-1355
IW deduct (defending)
10
1000
8170
8535
-365
400 more than RF!
add points won I/Wells
180
180
0
18th March
8350
8715
-365
Miami deduct (defending)
600
45
-555
At start of Miami
7750
8670
-920
1000 (win Miami)
add points won Miami
1000
0
+1000
1st April (after Miami)
8750
8670
80
MC deduct (defending)
180
0
-180
At start of Monte Carlo
8570
8670
-100
AM 100 behind
add points won Monte Carlo
90
0
+90
AM needs SF place
22nd April (after MC)
8660
8670
-10
Barcelona deduct (defending)?
90
0
- 90
At start of Barcelona
8570
8670
-100
AM behind RF
add points won Barcelona 500
0
0
0
Neither playing here
29th April (after Barcelona)
8570
8670
Madrid deduct (defending)
0
1000
+1000
nett + to AM
At start of Madrid
8570
7670
+ 900
add points won Madrid
?
?
13th May (after Madrid)
8570
7670
Rome deduct (defending)
90
360
+270
nett + to AM
8480
7310
+1170
add points won Rome
?
?
20th May (after Rome)
8390
7310
Fed is only #8 in the race so we can expect him to drop further in the rankings as they catch up with the race. :)
Monfils and Del Potro have been given wildcards to Monte Carlo.
david1610
03-04-2013, 07:58
Might have been asked elsewhere, but when was the last time neither Fed nor Rafa were in the top 2?
Edit: Looking at ATP site, i make it w/c 10/11/2003
And the bonus point? Who were the number 1 and number 2 at the time? Answer at http://www.thetennisspace.com/whos-hot-and-whos-not-28/
Hi Sally,
I think on your table above as Andy falls 100 points behind Federer when his 2012 MC points are deducted he only needs to get to the quarter final to stay at number 2 after MC not the semi final as you have shown though if neither play Barcelona then he needs a semi-final at MC to stay ahead after Barcelona.
Fed is only #8 in the race so we can expect him to drop further in the rankings as they catch up with the race. :)
That depends on Federer doing worse in 2013 than he did in 2012 during the rest of the season.
At the moment I don't give much credence to the race rankings being a true reflection of overall ranking after all I am sure that despite personal feelings about Federer I can't see many people really believing Gasquet is better than Federer. At this stage the race at least partly reflects which people have entered more tournaments so far as well as relative performance in the tournaments that have been entered. However it also shows off Andy's great ranking in the race as he is number 2 in the race despite only using one 250 slot so far (compared to say Ferrer who has used 2 of his 500 slots and 3 250 slots) and also for Rafa given he missed a slam and a masters and is still number 4.
In terms of slams and Masters we are roughly a quarter of the way through the year so there is a long way to go.
According to Tennis World, Andy has to beat Stan the man to retain being World no 2.
Tennis World (http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Stanislas-Wawrinka-could-help-Roger-Federer-go-back-to-no-2-in-the-rankings-articolo9423.html) - ATP - Stanislas Wawrinka could help Roger Federer go back to no. 2 in the rankings
According to Tennis World, Andy has to beat Stan the man to retain being World no 2.
Tennis World (http://www.tennisworldusa.org/ATP---Stanislas-Wawrinka-could-help-Roger-Federer-go-back-to-no-2-in-the-rankings-articolo9423.html) - ATP - Stanislas Wawrinka could help Roger Federer go back to no. 2 in the rankings
As it says a couple of posts up - but Andy also needs to beat Tsonga if he wants to stay ahead after the Barcelona points drop off assuming neither Andy or Fed play Barcelona.
Sallydaisy
18-04-2013, 23:06
By exiting Monte Carlo in R3 Andy only earned 90 points (and was defending 180) which now puts him 10 points behind Federer.
Additionally, on Monday 22nd April Andy drops 90 points that he's defending from last year at Barcelona.
So, that puts Andy 100 points behind Federer on 22/4/13 and he'll drop to #3.
See updated maths in my post here http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?544-Andy-s-Ranking-2012-onwards&p=132814&viewfull=1#post132814
DaveArneRiise
18-04-2013, 23:18
Ah well I'm sure Andy won't lose sleep about it.
Does anyone know what Andy needs to do to overtake Federer at Madrid?
Madeline
07-05-2013, 13:55
Well, at the start of this week Andy was 100 points behind Fed. But Fed is dropping 1000 points because he won last year and Andy is dropping nothing, so before either of them play, Andy is 900 points ahead. Unless Fed wins the tournament again, Andy will pass him. If Fed does win the tournament Andy will have to score more than 100 I think to overtake.
Anybody know if I'm right?
Sounds right to me. I very much doubt Federer will beat Rafa so I'd say max 360 points for Fed, meaning he'll lose 640, and Andy will get most likely either 180 or 360, would love him to get to the final but I don't really see that happening!
Sallydaisy
07-05-2013, 17:52
Well, at the start of this week Andy was 100 points behind Fed. But Fed is dropping 1000 points because he won last year and Andy is dropping nothing, so before either of them play, Andy is 900 points ahead. Unless Fed wins the tournament again, Andy will pass him. If Fed does win the tournament Andy will have to score more than 100 I think to overtake.
Anybody know if I'm right?
Yep, correct.
Sounds right to me. I very much doubt Federer will beat Rafa so I'd say max 360 points for Fed, meaning he'll lose 640, and Andy will get most likely either 180 or 360, would love him to get to the final but I don't really see that happening!
Here's the maths ...
Ranking (Monday)
Andy
Murray
Roger
Federer
Net Difference
(- is RF ahead)
Pts Andy needs
to make #2
4th March
8180
9535
-1355
IW deduct (defending)
10
1000
8170
8535
-365
400 more than RF!
add points won I/Wells
180
180
0
18th March
8350
8715
-365
Miami deduct (defending)
600
45
-555
At start of Miami
7750
8670
-920
1000 (win Miami)
add points won Miami
1000
0
+1000
1st April (after Miami)
8750
8670
80
MC deduct (defending)
180
0
-180
At start of Monte Carlo
8570
8670
-100
AM 100 behind
add points won Monte Carlo
90
0
+90
AM needs SF place
22nd April (after MC)
8660
8670
-10
Barcelona deduct (defending)?
90
0
- 90
At start of Barcelona
8570
8670
-100
AM behind RF
add points won Barcelona 500
0
0
0
Neither playing here
29th April (after Barcelona)
8570
8670
Madrid deduct (defending)
0
1000
+1000
nett + to AM
At start of Madrid
8570
7670
+ 900
add points won Madrid
?
?
13th May (after Madrid)
8570
7670
Rome deduct (defending)
90
360
+270
nett + to AM
8480
7310
+1170
add points won Rome
?
?
20th May (after Rome)
8390
7310
david1610
08-05-2013, 12:23
Is the seeding for RG done after the 2013 points for Rome are added on? If so, it might be very much in Andy's interest for Roger to draw Rafa in Rome.
I would think the seedings are done the week after Rome, so any Rome points should count.
Nishikori has knocked out Federer in the 3rd round of Rome.
So Andy is World no 2 again :dance: :dance:
Nishikori has knocked out Federer in the 3rd round of Rome.
So Andy is World no 2 again :dance: :dance:
This is Andy's chance to get a really significant lead on Fedex. He is already going to be 990 points ahead at the end of Madrid but if he could get another 180 points today beating Berdy and maybe 240 tomorrow and in dream land (seeing as Ferrer just wimped out in the final set against Nadal) another 400 on Sunday that would see him really solid at number 2 rather than the narrow margins he has had the other times he has been number 2.
banskogirl
11-05-2013, 12:10
Oh we'll it wasn't to be, but Andy is still number 2 and that's good :thumbup:
Steven @GBtennis 2h
The battle for ATP 1/2/3/4 (in graphical form http://bit.ly/19QnHgr ) gets more & more intriguing as RG & Wimbledon approach ... #atp
Would I be correct in saying that Federer will become world no 2 again if he reaches the semis at Roland Garros? Otherwise Andy will remain at no 2?
Madeline
26-05-2013, 09:32
I think he has to reach the final. Well, according to my spreadsheet anyway!
Also if Ferrer reaches the final he will be no.4 again.
Yup, I think you are right Madelaine - I forgot to take the points off.
In terms of seedings for Wimbledon, it is hard to know whether Andy will be #2 or #3. But I expect because Fed won it last year, it is possible Fed will be given the upper hand... although Andy did win the Olympics at the same venue, not sure if they take that into account?
They double all grass points won in the last year (and add 50% of the grass points for the previous year), so that would include the Olympics.
Madeline
26-05-2013, 21:35
It might be better for him to be #3 - that way he would be in the opposite half to Rafa!
supergran
01-06-2013, 21:44
You are all so knowledgeable for which I am very grateful.:thanks:
Madeline
04-06-2013, 16:30
So: with Roger going out in the quarters of RG, Andy is guaranteed #2 seed for Wimbledon :thumbup:
LC the fan
04-06-2013, 16:54
Well done J0 Wilf. !! Loved you anyway but love you more
supergran
04-06-2013, 22:39
Fantastic result for Jo and Andy!!!:cheer::cheer:
Fantastic result for Jo and Andy!!!:cheer::cheer:
Absolutely!!
I wonder who will be seeded no 2 at Wimbledon though, as the seedings don't follow the rankings.
I wonder who will be seeded no 2 at Wimbledon though, as the seedings don't follow the rankings.
It is the same as the current ranking points with all grass court points being doubled and grass court results the year before that counting as half value (note since the Olympics was on grass these points are counted too!)
Could be wrong, but I think that's right - Linda is the one who knows all about this
It is the same as the current ranking points with all grass court points being doubled and grass court results the year before that counting as half value (note since the Olympics was on grass these points are counted too!)
I think that's the system they used to have but they changed it at some point. From what I've found the system used for 2012 is:
Take ranking points the week before Wimbledon
Add all points earned on grass tournaments for past 12 months
Find the best grass tournament from the 12 months before that and add 75% of it's value
Assuming that they're using the same system and doing the maths Andy and Fed have the following:
Andy: 8310(After RG) + 1200(Wimbledon 12) + 750(Olympics) + 540(Wimbledon 11) = 10800 (can earn up to 500, look below)
Fed: 7640(After RG) + 2000(Wimbledon 12) + 450(Olympics) + 150(Halle 12) + 270(Wimbledon 11) = 10510 (can earn up to 200, look below)
You also have to include points for next week though - Andy is playing Queen's and Fed Halle. Andy got 0 points at Queen's last year and he hasn't filled his 6 optionals so he can get up to 250 points for his ranking along with another 250 using the 2nd bullet point above, so a max of 500.
Fed got to the final of Halle last year so he can only add up to 100 to his ranking by winning Halle and 100 using the 2nd bullet point above.
Fed basically has no chance of catching Andy. If he wins Halle he gets 10710, 90 points behind Andy (and that's assuming Andy loses in his 1st match at Queen's).
So yes, #2 seeding belongs to Andy. :)
Steven @GBtennis 4h
Even if Rafa wins RG, Ferrer should overtake Federer post-Wimbledon unless Roger retains the title there http://bit.ly/19QnHgr
Andy would still be 290 points ahead RT @skipper68uk: @GBtennis if Ferrer wins sunday how does that effect Andy on regards rank / points ?
I don't know if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there is a lot of alarmist talk in the media about Andy potentially having to beat Rafa, Fed and Nole to win Wimbledon. It could happen, of course, but Rafa being seeded 5th is twice as likely to work out well for Andy as it is to work out badly and even more likely to make real no difference.
Making the (dodgy) assumptions that none of the top 5 withdraw between now and Wimbledon and none of the 'big 4' (i.e. WR 1-3 and Rafa) lose before meeting another member of the 'big 4,' the probabilities are:
Andy/Nole:
1 in 8 chance of having to beat 3 of the big 4 to win the title (i.e. Rafa in their quarter and Fed in their half)
5 in 8 chance of having to beat 2 of the big 4 to win the title, made up of.
......- 4 in 8 SF & Final, i.e. as normal for a 1-2 seed
..... - 1 in 8 QF & Final
1 in 4 chance of having to beat just 1 of the big 4 to win the title
Fed:
1 in 4 chance of having to beat 3 of the big 4 to win the title (i.e. Rafa in Fed's quarter)
3 in 4 chance of having to beat 2 of the big 4 in the SF and Final to win the title (i.e. as normal for a 3-4 seed)
no chance of having to beat just 1 of the big 4 to win the title
Rafa:
1 in 2 chance of having to beat 3 of the big 4 to win the title (i.e. Rafa in the opposite half of the draw to Ferrer)
1 in 2 chance of having to beat 2 of the big 4 to win the title (made up of 25% SF & Final & 25% QF & Final)
So Rafa being seeded 5th gives Nole and Andy twice as much chance of getting a dream draw (i.e. just 1 of the big 4 to beat) as of getting a nightmare draw (i.e. 3 of the big 4 to beat), though getting a normal draw (i.e. 2 of the big 4 to beat) is considerably more likely than either of those options.
Conversely, it gives Fed a 1 in 4 chance and Rafa a 1 in 2 chance of getting a nightmare draw and neither of them the chance of a dream draw.
.... And of course, Wimby also have the options of changing the seedings around. They may seed Rafa above Daveed anyway given he has a much better track record on grass.
Madeline
12-06-2013, 08:47
They haven't done that since I think about 2001, when they changed to the present system of taking the ATP rankings and adjusting for grass results in the past couple of years. I think that system is set in stone at the present - and won't benefit Rafa as he did so badly on grass last year.
.... And of course, Wimby also have the options of changing the seedings around. They may seed Rafa above Daveed anyway given he has a much better track record on grass.
They wont, Rafa will be seeded 5th if Nole/Andy/Fed and Daveed play. Although they do change the seedings around it is based on relatively recent grass court results as well as everything else, they have a set system for it and have done since 2001. There is a nice post explaining this by Manaus posted around a week ago!
Yes, Rafa will definitely be seeded 5th unless any of the other four withdraw.
OK, ok guys, I got it wrong :surrender::lol:
Nadal and Federer going out mean Andy is sure to stay in the top 3 but in theory Ferrer can pass Andy as he started Wimbledon just 500 points behind Andy. Ferrer has to reach at least the semi-final to pass Andy.
What will be surprising to some is that Ferrer is already certain to move to number 3 at the end of Wimbledon and who's that dropping down to 5? A certain Swiss player on the decline. He made it into the top 4 on 7/7/03 and will officially fall out of the top 4 for the first time since then 10 years and 1 day later on 8/7/13
DrewZiph
28-06-2013, 07:57
Wow hadn't thought of that.
Fair play to Ferrer, he's had such a solid year.
Gonna make for some interesting slam draws.
traveller7
28-06-2013, 08:21
Such an odd system
DrewZiph
28-06-2013, 08:27
Such an odd system
I never really understand why people don't like the ranking system. I think it is straightforward.
I really didn't understand all the fuss about Rafa not being seeded top four for Wimbledon. The press made such a big deal of it.
traveller7
28-06-2013, 08:30
I never really understand why people don't like the ranking system. I think it is straightforward.
I really didn't understand all the fuss about Rafa not being seeded top four for Wimbledon. The press made such a big deal of it.
Its not I dont like it, just think its odd. I had no problems with Nadals seeding, it reflected his lack of play.
david1610
28-06-2013, 11:01
Well there is the whole issue of a ranking system itself which does indeed protect the best players from playing each other early on There is a kind of "jobs for the boys" or "matches for the girls" criticism that on one level is valid. But who wants the best players going out early in tournaments? (Erm, this week perhaps not ideal to say that...)
Otherwise the main problem with the ranking system is extended illness when a current ranking is not protected, such as Rafa's, and you could argue it is unfair if the ranking is then a reflection of illness and/or injury. And hence Andy's comments about making it count over two years. That might make it more difficult for up and coming players to break through, but then the counterargument would be if you are that good, you will break through.
I think Wimbledon cannot do anything more really than give grass results extra value - which, even with the new grass tournament slot coming on stream, is not that much of a tweak really. Too much of a hot potato otherwise and most players would argue that the grand slams (and Masters) is where the seedings are particularly important i.e. when all the players try and get in to the tournaments.
What I have never stopped to work out is how a two versus one year ranking would affect those, say, ranked between 51 and 100 and how fair/unfair they are relatively particularly to the up and coming players.
So in the battle between Andy and Ferrer for number 2 post Wimbledon this is the position
If Andy loses in round 4 Ferrer can pass Andy by reaching the semis
If Andy loses in the quarters Ferrer can pass Andy by reaching the final
If Andy loses in the semis or the final Ferrer can pass Andy by winning Wimbledon
If Andy wins Wimbledon he will definitely stay as number 2
in some ways I think Ferrer might prefer to be ranked at 3 rather than 2, as seed 3 never plays seed2, unless they meet in the final.
Ferrer has such a dismal record v Rafa, does he want yet more practice? he is getting closer!
Looking further into the future Andy will have to get to the semis at least to hold onto the #2 ranking as his Olympic points drop off in July which is a sizable 750. Ferrer has Olympic points too but they don't count towards his ranking.
As long as Andy gets to the semis he'll have to go 1 round further than Ferrer to stay ahead.
Slightly off topic but Andy is going to have a fairly hectic schedule post Wimbledon as he's only played 1 500 event so far. He has to play 3 more to avoid 0 pointers and there's only 4 other points in the year where 500 events are running, most of which are during busy times.
Awesome that Ferrer will get a career high ranking of 3! I was in Court 1 to see his second round match on Friday and he played amazingly well to recover from losing the second set! He got a standing ovation after he won the match :)
Hopefully Andy will get to the final and (really hoping here) win the title! In terms of losing the 750 points from the Olympics, even if he does then drop a position to Ferrer after that, Andy didn't get many points form cincy/Canada last year so he can make up points there.
DrewZiph
30-06-2013, 13:02
Slightly off topic but Andy is going to have a fairly hectic schedule post Wimbledon as he's only played 1 500 event so far. He has to play 3 more to avoid 0 pointers and there's only 4 other points in the year where 500 events are running, most of which are during busy times.
Queens not being a 500 is outrageous
Queens not being a 500 is outrageous
Agreed!
david1610
30-06-2013, 17:38
Seconded!
If Andy is managing his schedule properly, then he'll be quite happy to have one or two zero pointers in the year, same as Rafa always does.
banskogirl
30-06-2013, 20:22
How many is Halle?
Sorry I mean is Halle more than Queens?
david1610
30-06-2013, 21:33
If Andy is managing his schedule properly, then he'll be quite happy to have one or two zero pointers in the year, same as Rafa always does.
I agree. Last year seemed to about the GSs and nothing but the GSs. This year more about the Masters as well, though given what happened on clay and Andy's injury, perhaps not as clear with the Clay Masters. However, I expect Andy to be very interested in three of the four remaining hard court Master's (well, he won't want to go all the way in both of the two leading up to the USO) and also the WTF. And then the ranking takes care of itself.
Madeline
30-06-2013, 22:03
How many is Halle?
Sorry I mean is Halle more than Queens?
No, they are both ATP 250s. I always think that is a bit unfair because Queens has a bigger draw - you have to play an extra round.
LC the fan
03-07-2013, 14:30
Am I right - does that put Fed back to five when he loses his 2000 pts
traveller7
03-07-2013, 14:37
So this means Ferrer doesnt bypass Andy?
Ferrer will be no.3 on Monday.
Yes. Fed will be down to 5 and it could have been 6 had Berdych won Wimbledon I believe.
LC the fan
03-07-2013, 19:13
Great !
so fedX is going to be the shark in the shallows, the quarterfinal opponent nobody wants to meet.
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser 13m
Checking out ranking possibilities. Murray will lose 750 ranking points from last year's Olympics on August 5. Can we hold another Olympics?
so fedX is going to be the shark in the shallows, the quarterfinal opponent nobody wants to meet.
One of the other intersting things re Fedex is the difficult battle he now has to qualify for the O2 this year. At the moment he is in 6th place but only 365 points ahead of 9th. Failing to make the top 8 at year end could make Federer think its time to go before he falls even further - then again his demise has been predicted once or twice before so maybe I am getting ahead of myself.
david1610
09-07-2013, 02:27
One of the other intersting things re Fedex is the difficult battle he now has to qualify for the O2 this year. At the moment he is in 6th place but only 365 points ahead of 9th. Failing to make the top 8 at year end could make Federer think its time to go before he falls even further - then again his demise has been predicted once or twice before so maybe I am getting ahead of myself.
And of course losing his finalist Olympic points are not going to help him either.
Roger is clearly going to be around while he feels he can win another GS or WTF. But not sure his pride could take more than one year not making the WTF (once can be excused by..... well, an excuse!).
LC the fan
11-07-2013, 21:20
Novak has got so far ahead in the points race that I can't see Andy catching him any time soon. Andy has more points to defend than Novak. Of course, Rafa has none so, if he does recover successfully for the hard courts, he could well whiz back up the chart.
It's all a bit precarious. Not that I think Andy is too concerned about No 1. He'd obviously like to be there but I think he'd trade for the ATP title of the Oz open
Craigenhogen
17-07-2013, 21:21
Anybody know what Andy would have to do to end the year as no.1?
traveller7
17-07-2013, 21:24
Anybody know what Andy would have to do to end the year as no.1?
Its more what Novak would have to do to let andy take over, its doable I think but not likely.
daveollie
17-07-2013, 22:55
Andy's big chance at No.1 is the clay court season next spring, he's got virtually no points to defend from this year so can make up a lot of ground over everybody. He has to at least defend the points he has until then by winning at least one of the two majors before then and doing well in the other one, and it would be nice if Novak has a bit of a confidence issue against Andy after the pasting he took in the Wimbledon final.
banskogirl
18-07-2013, 09:36
Clay, clay......:) I'm sure there has to be a bit of fear now in Nole's head, long may it last! Maybe it will be more on grass tough?
Andy's big chance at No.1 is the clay court season next spring, he's got virtually no points to defend from this year so can make up a lot of ground over everybody. He has to at least defend the points he has until then by winning at least one of the two majors before then and doing well in the other one, and it would be nice if Novak has a bit of a confidence issue against Andy after the pasting he took in the Wimbledon final.
Yeah, though he still needs to do well and get to the latter stages at Flushing Meadows and Melbourne (I'm sure he will though!)
He can still gain quite a few points at Canada, Cincy and Paris too if he focuses well on them and times his schedule well. He lost in the third round for each of them last year, although admittedly he was tired from his Olympic win for Toronto and Cincy so there's real gaining potential there this time around!!
Andy loses his Olympic points tomorrow :sad:
But he'll still be Olympic champion for another 3 more years! :yahoo:
Craigenhogen
13-08-2013, 10:39
:nailbiter:Correct me if I'm wrong but Rafa could be No.2 after Cincy this week if Andy loses early and Rafa wins the whole thing! :nailbiter:
That is correct. There is only 750 points between them and Rafa has no points to defend.
traveller7
13-08-2013, 18:35
Bad times someone needs to knock Rafa out
(of the tournament of course) hah
If my maths is correct, if Rafa wins the title, then Andy will have had to have reached the semis to remain world no 2.
If Rafa does not win the title then Andy will still be world no 2.
That is correct. There is only 750 points between them and Rafa has no points to defend.
From one pedant to another, there are only 750 points between them........:getcoat:
LC the fan
21-08-2013, 19:22
Must say it was a bit weird to look at the rankings on the ATP website and see Federer at NO 7
Couldn't resist a bit of a smile :GBsmile:
Might not want to know this but Andy's ranking is under threat from Ferrer. After taking last years points off Andy is on 6700 and Ferrer on 6490 so for example if Andy lost in quarters Ferrer could pass by reaching the semis
The 5/6/7 are also totally in the mix after taking off last years points they currently stand
Del Potro 4,380
Berdy 4,355
Federer 4,335
So who ever goes furtherest out of the trio will be number 5 after the end of the US Open so unfortunately Federer at least has the opportunity to bounce straight back
So having got into round 4 the simple way of looking at the 3/4 battle with Ferrer is that Andy will remain number 3 unless Ferrer
* reaches at least the semi finals and
* goes at least 1 round further than Andy
By the way Federer will be rising back to 6 given del Potros early exit and he will be 20 points behind Berdych in 5th as they both went out at the same satge.
Edit having Ferrer and Andy now in the quarters its become as simple as Ferrer passes Andy if he goes at least 1 round further than Andy otherwise Andy remains at 3. Come on Gasquet can you make the semis?
Madeline
04-09-2013, 21:28
Well at least Andy's #3 is safe now. Merci, Richard.
traveller7
04-09-2013, 21:32
:phew: thanks Richie!
Sallydaisy
05-09-2013, 21:15
Despite losing tonight Andy will retain his #3 ranking because Ferrer, his nearest thread, lost in the same round at the US Open. It'll be interesting to see where Stan Wawrinka ends up though in relation to that other Swiss player who is currently in the top 10.
;)
Despite losing tonight Andy will retain his #3 ranking because Ferrer, his nearest thread, lost in the same round at the US Open. It'll be interesting to see where Stan Wawrinka ends up though in relation to that other Swiss player who is currently in the top 10.
;)
Currently Wawrinka will be on 3150 points after the US Open compared to "that other Swiss player" who has ended on 4515 so even a tournament win will not see a pass.
However the race is a slightly different matter with Wawrinka currently on 2925 compared to Federer on 3055 and even Gasquet is getting close at 2765. Anyone fancy a Gasquet v Stan final so we see Federer slip out of the top 8 in the race?
patmoren
06-09-2013, 15:27
Currently Wawrinka will be on 3150 points after the US Open compared to "that other Swiss player" who has ended on 4515 so even a tournament win will not see a pass.
However the race is a slightly different matter with Wawrinka currently on 2925 compared to Federer on 3055 and even Gasquet is getting close at 2765. Anyone fancy a Gasquet v Stan final so we see Federer slip out of the top 8 in the race?
What a thought!!
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