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from August 2011
Here are the details of the rankings of the top 4 after Canada
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings150811.jpg
Good to see that this forum doesn't shrink my chart like the old one did!
Thanks, Linda
Thanks, Linda
I'm looking forward to updating it for Cincy, as that will shorten the gap between Andy and Roger!
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
I have absolutely no wish to diminish anyone's enthusiasm but we don't know what capacity this free site has.
We think that the blip when it was unavailable for a short time yesterday, was global rather than caused by overload on here.
However, if there are a lot of members posting at the same time i.e. after a match win, we might find this site runs either slow or stops. We've yet to really find out what a forum like this will cope with.
So....... we might have to limit big files/links if there are problems.
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
right click then view image in new tab :)
I have absolutely no wish to diminish anyone's enthusiasm but we don't know what capacity this free site has.
We think that the blip when it was unavailable for a short time yesterday, was global rather than caused by overload on here.
However, if there are a lot of members posting at the same time i.e. after a match win, we might find this site runs either slow or stops. We've yet to really find out what a forum like this will cope with.
So....... we might have to limit big files/links if there are problems.i have been desperately looking for flaws in this but even looking through there support forum there are lots of folk sayig the unlimited bandwidth is just that , and the one or two saying they need more turn out to be a different issue
I have absolutely no wish to diminish anyone's enthusiasm but we don't know what capacity this free site has.
We think that the blip when it was unavailable for a short time yesterday, was global rather than caused by overload on here.
However, if there are a lot of members posting at the same time i.e. after a match win, we might find this site runs either slow or stops. We've yet to really find out what a forum like this will cope with.
So....... we might have to limit big files/links if there are problems.i have been desperately looking for flaws in this but even looking through there support forum there are lots of folk sayig the unlimited bandwidth is just that , and the one or two saying they need more turn out to be a different issue
Thanks Jay - and no-one else seems to have had a problem + it was only for about 30secs.
:D
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
When I looked at it on full screen I could see it all, but now I'm only on half screen ('cos the live stream is on the other half) I can only see half of it.
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
right click then view image in new tab :)
I don't have that option when I right click (maybe you're in a different browser, not IE??)
I have the forum in full screen width, but there are some wasted areas within the window but outside the edge of the forum - I haven't found a way yet to change that.
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
right click then view image in new tab :)
Thanks :)
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
right click then view image in new tab :)
I don't have that option when I right click (maybe you're in a different browser, not IE??)
I have the forum in full screen width, but there are some wasted areas within the window but outside the edge of the forum - I haven't found a way yet to change that.
In IE you can drag and drop the image into the tab bar to see it. Not ideal, but at least it works
Not exactly ranking, but Andy now up to 15= (with Chang) on the Master's list of winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Masters_Series_records_and_statistics
Next win will take him to 8 and equal 12=
Interestingly, 5 of the 7 have occurred later on the season (2 Canada, 2 Cin. and 1 Shanghai). Plus the one in Madrid and one in Miami.
Not exactly ranking, but Andy now up to 15= (with Chang) on the Master's list of winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Masters_Series_records_and_statistics
Next win will take him to 8 and equal 12=
Interestingly, 5 of the 7 have occurred later on the season (2 Canada, 2 Cin. and 1 Shanghai). Plus the one in Madrid and one in Miami.
Wasn't the Madrid one also late in the season?
I'm sure Andy won it when it was a hardcourt Masters in the autumn rather than the current clay event in May.
Not exactly ranking, but Andy now up to 15= (with Chang) on the Master's list of winners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Masters_Series_records_and_statistics
Next win will take him to 8 and equal 12=
Interestingly, 5 of the 7 have occurred later on the season (2 Canada, 2 Cin. and 1 Shanghai). Plus the one in Madrid and one in Miami.
Wasn't the Madrid one also late in the season?
I'm sure Andy won it when it was a hardcourt Masters in the autumn rather than the current clay event in May.
Yes you are right. Was being cautious.
So even more of an "end of season" weighting.
Andy's relative lack of matches at this stage of the season might be very useful for the remaining big tournaments!
Thanks for the chart, Linda. Hopefully at the end of the season we'll have a new number three!
Sky did a similar chart which showed him 7th equal with Chang, but I think that was just since 1990
Which is maybe more relevant to the modern game?
Titles 1. Rafa Nadal 19 2. Andre Agassi 17 = Roger Federer 17 4. Pete Sampras 11 5. Novak Djokovic 106. Thomas Muster 87. Michael Chang 7= Andy Murray 7
I can only see the first 2 players Linda as its too large - I have no scroll bar to move across to the right.
right click then view image in new tab :)
I don't have that option when I right click (maybe you're in a different browser, not IE??)
I have the forum in full screen width, but there are some wasted areas within the window but outside the edge of the forum - I haven't found a way yet to change that.
In IE you can drag and drop the image into the tab bar to see it. Not ideal, but at least it works
Many thanks. :sunny: That's a new one on me!
I heard one commie say that it would be possible for Andy to overtake Roger at the US. I assume Andy would have to win for that to happen and Roger go out early on. Anyone know if it is possible?
from Sept 2011
Here's my chart updated for Cincy:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings220811.jpg
So yes, it's possible for Andy to overtake Fed at USO if he wins the tournament and Fed doesn't get further than R2
thanks linda
and i sent you a PM :twisted:
A very quick scan of the rankings shows that the US Open will mean little change for Andy.
He is only defending 90 points from last year, and no one is within the 1910 points of him required to be able to overtake, before taking into account players below Andy have points to defend too.
Murray can gain up to 1910 himself if he were to win the US open, which would take him past Federer unless he was the one to lose to Andy in the final.
If Fed were to lose before the third round, he could be passed by Murray just reaching the final.
Nadal and Djoko are way out of site for Andy, Though they are defending 2000 and 1200 points respectively, so it is a great opportunity for the deficit to the top to be cut!
A very quick scan of the rankings shows that the US Open will mean little change for Andy.
He is only defending 90 points from last year, and no one is within the 1910 points of him required to be able to overtake, before taking into account players below Andy have points to defend too.
Murray can gain up to 1910 himself if he were to win the US open, which would take him past Federer unless he was the one to lose to Andy in the final.
If Fed were to lose before the third round, he could be passed by Murray just reaching the final.
Nadal and Djoko are way out of site for Andy, Though they are defending 2000 and 1200 points respectively, so it is a great opportunity for the deficit to the top to be cut!
Thanks Drew :)
With Federer falling in the semi final that means number 3 in the rankings is still up for grabs. Just the matter of defeating the world number 2 and if Andy can acheive that its then the world number 1 on Monday. However I guess if that was to happen the rise to number 3 might just be a secondary matter to a first slam title.
Here's my chart updated for USO:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings120911.jpg
Hm, it's too big for the page - I wonder why it got bigger? Will try to shrink it.
Ah, I found out the problem - I am viewing the forum in 120% zoom. Changing back to 100%, it all fits in. In fact if I click the -zoom another time so it goes to 83%, it is quite a nice size to look at.
Here's my chart updated for USO:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings120911.jpg
Hm, it's too big for the page - I wonder why it got bigger? Will try to shrink it.
Ah, I found out the problem - I am viewing the forum in 120% zoom. Changing back to 100%, it all fits in. In fact if I click the -zoom another time so it goes to 83%, it is quite a nice size to look at.
I can't find a zoom option......... :no:
you can use ctrl+ or ctrl-to change the view
Thanks Linda :):)
I managed to right click on the image and then clicked on "view image" and that seemed to work.
I have read in a couple of places that Andy is targeting number 3 in the world by the end of the year. Can he really do this? I've just looked and Fed still seems quite a long was ahead of him.
Yes, it is numerically possible. I suspect it will come down to how they do at WTF.
Andy is ahead of Fed in the race though, so if he does better than Fed for the rest of the year he should be OK.
That's very true! http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq209/Tejrinde/Emoticons/Vote/smiley_emoticons_thumbs-up_new.gif
I did hear Andy say in one of the US Open interviews that that's his goal for the end of the year. Let's hope he can achieve it and give himself a bit of a lift.
you can use ctrl+ or ctrl-to change the view
Wow - that's clever thanks, it worked!
I did hear Andy say in one of the US Open interviews that that's his goal for the end of the year. Let's hope he can achieve it and give himself a bit of a lift.
According to Stu Fraser he has said it today in the DC presser as well.
Not just a bit of a lift but a bit of frustration for the Murrayhaters. :twisted:
Federer is withdrawing from Shanghai and not playing until Basel!!! :shock: By then I feel certain there'll be a new No.3, what do you think?
Federer is withdrawing from Shanghai and not playing until Basel!!! :shock: By then I feel certain there'll be a new No.3, what do you think?
Thanks Andy --that's interesting news. I think you could be right.:flower:
Fed got beaten by Andy in the Shanghai final so he will lose lots of points, surely? But, at the same time, Andy has to win the final to defend his points. Sigh.
from Sept 2011
Fed got beaten by Andy in the Shanghai final so he will lose lots of points, surely? But, at the same time, Andy has to win the final to defend his points. Sigh.
But Andy is ahead of Fed in the race. All he has to do is equal or do better than Fed for the rest of the year and Andy will be no 3.
Federer loses 600 points from Shanghai. He's also defending a lot more points than Murray at this time of the year.
Federer loses 600 points from Shanghai. He's also defending a lot more points than Murray at this time of the year.
Yes, but Andy dros 1000 :P .
But the easiest way to look at it, is that Andy just needs to match Rogers haul of points from now till the end of the season. He's never finished higher than 4th on year end rankings.
Well, let's see how the chart uploads on here:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings120911.jpg
The answer is that it shrinks it like on the old forum (and even the ones copied over from the temporary forum, where they were large, have shrunk).
patmoren
29-09-2011, 19:55
I can see it all easily Linda if it is only the top four that you have included.
Thanks Pat, yes it is just the top 4. I did for a while include Soderling in my chart but since he's fallen behind I've left him out.
david1610
01-10-2011, 19:40
I posted this on the temporary site but did quite a bit of research for it so hope it is OK to put it as a context post on Andy and the top four's ranking compared to the other top twenty players:
....
I did some more thinking about this looking at the ranking points and thinking of Master's and GS results this year.
What I have just realised is, with the top four having occupied the four winners, the eight finalists and 14 of the 16 GS semi final positions this year - = 22 880 points, plus most of the Master's wins and the WTF... a total of over 40 000 points, they have more points THAN THE REST OF THE TOP TWENTY i.e. those ranked 5-20, put together!!!
Ironically, 250 tournaments, and 500s of course, have become even more important to the top (but not top four) players. At present less than 100 points separate Tsonga, Fish, Monfils and Berdych in 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th places in the rankings - good results in 250 tourneys might be the difference between a WTF place or not (and Shanghai and Paris Masters, with the top four feeling the effects of all those major tourneys, are also potential rich pickings). Roddick is in 14th with less than 2 000 points (remember, that would have been less than a 1000 before they doubled the points system a couple of years ago). The 5-20 have averaged 24.5 tournaments this year. The top four average approx. 500 points per tournament entered, the others less than 100 - five times less!
To cut a long story short, the top four have established so much clear water between themselves and the rest that 250s are mostly irrelevant to the former, but have paradoxically have made them even more vital for the latter.
:thanks: David.
The top four are just too good.:)
:thanks:David - quite amazing statistics. Several of the pundits have mentioned that there has never been a dominance of a top 4 like this in the open era. Soderling threatened for a while but seems to have fallen away - Del Potro is finding it hard to get back to the top and looks as though he might always struggle with injury - I don't really see anyone else threatening at the moment.
david1610
02-10-2011, 13:28
:thanks:David - quite amazing statistics. Several of the pundits have mentioned that there has never been a dominance of a top 4 like this in the open era. Soderling threatened for a while but seems to have fallen away - Del Potro is finding it hard to get back to the top and looks as though he might always struggle with injury - I don't really see anyone else threatening at the moment.
Yes. There are of course two types of rise - the players who suddenly go to another level mid-careeer, such as Soderling, or even Fish this year (top ten wise) and of course the brilliant up and coming young 'uns. Rafa, Nole and Andy (yes Rafa started earlier, but is still just a year older) came along and took their places at the top early in their careers and since then , as you say, del Potro is the only one to have come along seemingly destined to be the "next one" but injuries have hampered that.
Some younger players seem to have found it harder than Andy's generation to head straight for the top - certainly the ones just after them.
In the top 60 the only players born later than 1987 are .... Dolgopolov 19, Cilic 25, Bellucci 38 and Gulbis 47 (born one year earlier in 1988) Nishiloiri 54 and Young 55 (1989), Raonic 30 (born in 1990)
and the youngest Tomic 59 (1992). Mmm....
LC the fan
07-10-2011, 13:01
Is there anywhere we can see just this year's ranking for the World tour finals race - that seems to be getting mega interesting.
Really hoping to see Tsonga there, I've never actually seen him play live - so to speak
Madeline
07-10-2011, 13:10
Try this (http://live-tennis.eu/race) - I don't know how accurate it is but the first few definitely seem right.
Sallydaisy
07-10-2011, 13:12
There's now a YTD Singles rankings on the ATP site here
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx
Madeline
07-10-2011, 15:07
There's now a YTD Singles rankings on the ATP site here
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx
Ah, I'm sure that wasn't there last week when I checked. The link I posted is updated so that the current week's figures are up to date, while the ATP is only up to Monday however.
5-8 are having a good week and pulling away from ninth place. I thought it might be going down to the wire but Ferrer is almost there already and there is now a 400 point gap between 8th and 9th even before the semi finals in Beijing where one of 7th and 8th will definitely make the final. 400 points is about 20% of what Simon (in 9th place) has managed to accumulate all year with maybe only about 10% of the seasons points still to go so my money would now be on the top 8 not changing with Ferrer, Fish, Tsonga and Berdych all qualifying. Anyone think any different?
I agree, Yorkie, I think the 8 leading at the moment will stay ahead.
LC the fan
07-10-2011, 17:01
Reckon you're right, Yorkie
Soderling wont make it and cant see Simon or Delpo picking up that many points in the next few weeks.
Almagro may just come through but his surface is clay where he collected most of his points.
So yes - I think the top 8 is pretty much as it stands
Updated for Beijing and Tokyo:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings101011.jpg
mintsauce
10-10-2011, 21:28
5-8 are having a good week and pulling away from ninth place. I thought it might be going down to the wire but Ferrer is almost there already and there is now a 400 point gap between 8th and 9th even before the semi finals in Beijing where one of 7th and 8th will definitely make the final. 400 points is about 20% of what Simon (in 9th place) has managed to accumulate all year with maybe only about 10% of the seasons points still to go so my money would now be on the top 8 not changing with Ferrer, Fish, Tsonga and Berdych all qualifying. Anyone think any different?
ATP staff agree with you, Yorkie - or have they been looking here for some inspiration for a story? Top 8 pulling away from chasing pack (http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/10/41/Battle-For-London-Update.aspx)
Working from Linda's post I see its not until the WTF points come off that Andy passes Federer if both scored no points for the rest of the year - not that I'm suggesting that is likely! Hopefully even if Andy does not pass this week (which requires the tournament victory) an earlier pass will be looking on the cards after Shanghai is complete.
david1610
13-10-2011, 21:11
ATPtour's email today about Ferrer qualifying for O2 includes the following list:
South African Airways
2011 ATP Year-To-Date Rankings
As of Thursday, 13 October 2011
Pos. Name YTD Points
1. N. Djokovic (SRB) 13,295
2. R. Nadal (ESP) 9,500
3. A. Murray (GBR) 6,380
4. R. Federer (SUI) 5,185
5. D. Ferrer (ESP) 3,880
6. T. Berdych (CZE) 2,940
7. M. Fish (USA) 2,875
8. J. Tsonga (FRA) 2,790
9. N. Almagro (ESP) 2,325
10. G. Simon (FRA) 2,110
We are of course focused at the moment on Andy v. Roger. I am sure Roger would like to be ranked no. 1 but other than that being ranked no. 2, 3 or 4 is strategically not that different - you still have to beat two of the other three.
What is interesting though is the gap between Roger and Ferrer. Imagine Ferrer has amazing Paris and WTF tourneys and Roger is a bit lukewarm. Could Ferrer overtake Roger? Roger out of the top four would provide the nightmare scenario for him of possibily drawing Andy Rafa AND Nole in a GS!
Sallydaisy
13-10-2011, 21:49
Imagine Ferrer has amazing Paris and WTF tourneys and Roger is a bit lukewarm
Ferrer is playing Valencia where he'll be top seed unless one of the top 4 take a Wild Card.
So he has chance to add another 500 points to his tally.
Ferru won Valencia last year. It is his home tournament, after all.
Sallydaisy
13-10-2011, 22:17
Ah, so he's defending points for his ATP ranking so that wouldn't help him overtake Feddy.
Hmm ...
Madeline
13-10-2011, 22:54
But the points David listed were Race points - no defending to do. Of course Rog is playing Basel in the same week as Valencia, so if Ferru does better than Roger that week (and Nole is down to play Basel ;) ) that would narrow the gap.
Sallydaisy
13-10-2011, 22:56
Thanks Madeline!
:thumbup:
Pos. Name YTD Points
1. N. Djokovic (SRB) 13,295
2. R. Nadal (ESP) 9,500
3. A. Murray (GBR) 6,380
4. R. Federer (SUI) 5,185
5. D. Ferrer (ESP) 3,880
6. T. Berdych (CZE) 2,940
7. M. Fish (USA) 2,875
8. J. Tsonga (FRA) 2,790
9. N. Almagro (ESP) 2,325
10. G. Simon (FRA) 2,110
We are of course focused at the moment on Andy v. Roger. I am sure Roger would like to be ranked no. 1 but other than that being ranked no. 2, 3 or 4 is strategically not that different - you still have to beat two of the other three.
What is interesting though is the gap between Roger and Ferrer. Imagine Ferrer has amazing Paris and WTF tourneys and Roger is a bit lukewarm. Could Ferrer overtake Roger? Roger out of the top four would provide the nightmare scenario for him of possibily drawing Andy Rafa AND Nole in a GS!
This thought makes the Roddick v Ferrer match even more interesting as surely the favourite for the final from the top half will be the winner from this match rather than the winner from Floppy v Mayer. Reaching the final gives a further 420 points to the amount already earned for reaching the quarters and it has to be said the potential to get another 400 if they win the tournament though hopefully they will lose to a certain Scotsman. If Ferrer progresses deep it helps in the battle for number 4.
On the other hand if Roddick goes deep he starts to come into contention for the WTF though really he needs to win the tournament which would leave him 290 points behind Tsonga in 8th where as being the losing finalist would still leave him 690 away from 8th place. The way the draw has opened up with the 6-8 and then the closer challengers like Almagro and Simon all falling early a late charge into contention is far from impossible. Hopefully however that charge will not come from the highest remaining chaser for London, Dolgopolov who started 155 points ahead of Roddick. However as he is in Andy's half a semi final position is as far as his ranking would suggest he is likely to progress.
Hope you took anti-jinxing precautions when you typed that last sentence!
Ferrer and Roddick are 2-2 in the 3rd at the moment - come on David!
Hope you took anti-jinxing precautions when you typed that last sentence!
Ferrer and Roddick are 2-2 in the 3rd at the moment - come on David!the Ferret took it in the 3rd set TB
What a wonderful few weeks from Muzz - 3 titles in a row, breaking his own British record (set in autumn 2008) for consecutive top level (ATP main tour & DC) wins in the Open era with 15 (+ 1 w/o), taking his Masters Final record to an astonishing 8-1 and overtaking Fed for the first time ever :)
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(click for a slightly larger version, or http://bit.ly/hBmwVW for the full size version and the exact numbers)
As you can see from the attached graph, Andy is suddenly almost as close to Rafa in the ATP race as he is to Fed (where the lines end on the far right shows where the players are in the race) and with his win today, Muzz has ensured he will go into the WTF as world no. 3 - he had virtually made certain of it by winning the semi, but had Fed suddenly decided to get a WC into St Petersburg or Vienna, reached the Final and then won Basel and Paris too, he could theoretically have overtaken him.
If we look at the points those in the current top 5 have picked up since the start of Cincy, Muzz is doing particularly well.
3470 Muzz
2600 Nole
1810 Rafa
1050 Ferrer
915 Fed
It is easy to argue that this is not that meaningful (you can argue that I have picked the best possible time period for Muzz - which I have- and that Fed & Nole have been missing tournaments) but things looked similar in autumn 2008 and by the time Cincy came around in 2009, Andy was (fleetingly) world no. 2. In other words, if you're going to make a run to world no. 2 or no. 1, you've got to start that run somewhere! :)
mintsauce
16-10-2011, 12:27
Andy is suddenly almost as close to Rafa in the ATP race as he is to Fed (where the lines end on the far right shows where the players are in the race) and with his win today, Muzz has ensured he will go into the WTF as world no. 3 - he had virtually made certain of it by winning the semi, but had Fed suddenly decided to get a WC into St Petersburg or Vienna, reached the Final and then won Basel and Paris too, he could theoretically have overtaken him.
If we look at the points those in the current top 5 have picked up since the start of Cincy, Muzz is doing particularly well.
3470 Muzz
2600 Nole
1810 Rafa
1050 Ferrer
915 Fed
It is easy to argue that this is not that meaningful (you can argue that I have picked the best possible time period for Muzz - which I have- and that Fed & Nole have been missing tournaments) but things looked similar in autumn 2008 and by the time Cincy came around in 2009, Andy was (fleetingly) world no. 2. In other words, if you're going to make a run to world no. 2 or no. 1, you've got to start that run somewhere! :)
So is there a vague possibility that Andy could in fact end the year at number 2 if Rafa fails to do well in Paris and the WTF? Or is that too much to ask?
What will the ranking points be on Monday for the top four?
What will the ranking points be on Monday for the top four?
Djokovic 13860
Nadal 10375
Murray 7825
Federer 7780
So is there a vague possibility that Andy could in fact end the year at number 2 if Rafa fails to do well in Paris and the WTF? Or is that too much to ask?
Mathematically yes but very unlikely. For the remainder of the year Nadal is defending 1000 points in the WTF whilst Andy is defending 400 from WTF, 180 from Paris and 45 from Valencia. Deducting all those points Andy will be on 7200 and Nadal 9375. Assuming that Nadal and Andy only play Paris and the WTF Andy would pretty much have to win both events and Nadal do pretty badly for Andy to take no. 2.
Djokovic 13860
Nadal 10375
Murray 7825
Federer 7780
Thanks - it looks good.
so Andy could get 9700 points in the dream scenario, all rafa really needs to stay out in front is get a quarterfinals berth in Paris and one win in London
I'm rather looking forward to David Ferrer regaining the no. 4 position and Fed dropping to no. 5 :big grin:
I'm rather looking forward to David Ferrer regaining the no. 4 position and Fed dropping to no. 5 :big grin:
Now that really would hurt Mr Smuggerson!
VamosVixs
18-10-2011, 19:22
And if Del Po regains his form could we see Fed drop to number 6? :hmm:
Now that really would hurt Mr Smuggerson!
You are demoting him to a mere Mr? I always thought he was 'Sir Smug' :rolling:
You are demoting him to a mere Mr? I always thought he was 'Sir Smug' :rolling:
How could I be so irreverent??!! :shamed:
Just realised that I haven't yet posted my rankings chart post Shanghai!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings171011.jpg
fed will always be the greatest number two in my eyes :pirate:
Madeline
23-10-2011, 19:56
:rolling:
VamosVixs
23-10-2011, 19:57
:rolling:
:rofl: :rofl:
not sure it would be in my eyes though?
supergran
23-10-2011, 23:06
fed will always be the greatest number two in my eyes :pirate: Behave yourself!! He's my no 3!!
ChrisMac
24-10-2011, 09:50
Come on guys! He's my no 4! :laugh:
supergran
24-10-2011, 14:45
Changed my mind....I think Fed and 10 go together!!:lol:
patmoren
24-10-2011, 15:37
He will eventually drop down into the hundreds!!
I can't see him going on if he drops out of the top 4 - certainly not if he's out of the top 10. What's the betting he retires after the Olympics?
greatunclebulgaria
24-10-2011, 20:33
I can't see him going on if he drops out of the top 4 - certainly not if he's out of the top 10. What's the betting he retires after the Olympics?
was just thinking about this the other day
yep that was the stench you could smell :laugh::laugh::laugh:
I too think he is only forcing himself on because the Olympics are just around the corner and don't forget the girls are getting to an age where travelling will be difficult if he wants them to have any semblance of a normal life
Changed my mind....I think Fed and 10 go together!!:lol:with my networking engeneering hat on i have to say fed is definitely a 10
LC the fan
25-10-2011, 09:07
was just thinking about this the other day
yep that was the stench you could smell :laugh::laugh::laugh:
I too think he is only forcing himself on because the Olympics are just around the corner and don't forget the girls are getting to an age where travelling will be difficult if he wants them to have any semblance of a normal life
Reckon you're right there G U B. He'll want to retire in some style and the Olympics would give him that, providing he does well, of course. The kids, of course, will be at pre-school soon so the timing would be right.
Fancy having a top ten which doesn't include Saint Fed
david1610
25-10-2011, 16:14
Changed my mind....I think Fed and 10 go together!!:lol:
Well AnotherScotinExile would remind you at this point that 10 is number 2 in binary :)
Edit: Oops already mentioned but I will leave the post as it gives an excuse to mention ASE :)
Alis, I think you are correct - if Fed reaches the final he will be just 10 points behind Andy, and if he wins the tournament he will regain the no. 3.
ETA - Sally posted whilst I did - having read her post, I see that if the WTF points come off then Andy will still be no. 3 - but I don't know why they come off this Monday?
Madeline is correct :) The WTF draw (and qualifying system, too) is based on the ranking the week prior of WTF and they have to take away WTF points early since WTF is not a regular tournament all the players have played the previous year. To explain better, last year Davydenko had still his 1300 points from London 2009. Had they not come off before the Finals he could have had enough points to qualify and play London2010 even if his year was a lot worse than other players. If you prefer, WTF is a bonus for the best 8 players of the year (who plays it can count 19 tournaments in his ranking instead of 18), but to qualify you have to earn enough point without that bonus to help you. (I feel like I'm becoming more and more confusing instead of explaining it better xD)
Anyway, like last year, year an easy ( I hope) tab to see how things can develop at the Finals, ranking wise.
http://oi39.tinypic.com/qp1frd.jpg
Nole and Rafa are the only ones already guaranteed to finish the year as #1 and #2 resp. All the other positions can still switch around. To help understand the table better:
1. Each win at RR stage earns the player 200 points.
2. No bonus points if you win enough RR matches to reach the SF
3. Winning the SF earns you 400 points more.
4. Winning the F earns you 500 points.
It's theoretically possible to qualify for the SF with 1, 2, or 3 Round Robin wins.
Hope Federer will play Novak in the semi-finals, as with Andy now out I can't see anyone else stopping him reaching the final.
MurrayAOne
22-11-2011, 23:44
Gutting for Andy but on tonight's showing Federer will be pretty hard to beat.
I've said this before but Andy has no one to fear when he brings his A game and that includes Roger Federer.
Smugfed must be delighted that Andy's out - he was his only real opposition on form coming into the tournament. It seems that neither Rafa nor Nole are match fit at the moment - a shame for such a prestigious competition.
if fed makes no3 -
its only because Andy's not there!! :thumbup:
Absolutely but, of course, no-one will mention it except us!!!
Absolutely but, of course, no-one will mention it except us!!!
Oh, come on, I'm sure Roger will mention it..........:grrr:
LC the fan
24-11-2011, 16:41
Having watched Fed play this week - I was there when he destroyed Rafa on tuesday - I've got a nasty feeling that there is a man with a plan !
He's been resting up and getting himself fit for another burst - and boy was he playing well on tuesday. With less than usual points to defend and a successful start to the year, Novak having almost no chance of defending all his points and Rafa looking less than himself......have a feeling Fed is thinking that he can regain the No 1 spot and then announce his retirement in a blaze of glory :grrr:
Maybe Rafa will get it together next year, maybe Nole will hold out or is Andy the only one who can stop him .
God I do hope on of them can prevent him getting the ultimate prize and an Olympic Gold. :angry:
If Ferrer wins against Berdych he won't meet Federer in the final.
RoastLamb
24-11-2011, 18:17
Ferru won't meet Fed until the final.
Golden Lady
24-11-2011, 18:22
Ferru won't meet Fed until the final.
Yes I mentioned the possibility of Ferrer v Fed this weekend on the main tourney thread. Daveed has a chance and in my opinion a better chance than Nole right now of taking Fed out. Oh but I hope he gets the chance!!!
RoastLamb
24-11-2011, 18:24
Yes I mentioned the possibility of Ferrer v Fed this weekend on the main tourney thread. Daveed has a chance and in my opinion a better chance than Nole right now of taking Fed out. Oh but I hope he has the chance!!!
He's never beaten Fed before. But then again who'd have thought he'd beat Djoko and Andy?
Golden Lady
24-11-2011, 18:27
He's never beaten Fed before. But then again who'd have thought he'd beat Djoko and Andy?
Fed's not playing as well as we are all lead to believe in my opinion. Rafa was clearly below par and Fed has had to take 3 sets to beat off Fish & Tsonga. Ferrer has won in straights, I think he may cause the biggest upset of the year yet!
VamosVixs
24-11-2011, 18:28
Ferrer has won in straights, I think he may cause the biggest upset of the year yet!
Let's hope so, would like to see him win this. :thumbup:
RoastLamb
24-11-2011, 18:34
Fed's not playing as well as we are all lead to believe in my opinion. Rafa was clearly below par and Fed has had to take 3 sets to beat off Fish & Tsonga. Ferrer has won in straights, I think he may cause the biggest upset of the year yet!
Fingers crossed!
Let's hope so, would like to see him win this. :thumbup:
Me too. Him or Tsonga.
Golden Lady
24-11-2011, 18:39
Rafa could be a different player tonight. Not counting him out yet.
Let's all send positive thoughts to Ferrer. I think he is so cute and has been playing well this week, albeit against players that are not 100%. Hopefully this has given him the confidence to beat Fed given the chance although I am still hoping and praying that Fed gets knocked out at the semifinal stage and let's Andy keep his #3. However if not I believe that Fed realizes that Andy may be his biggest threat next year hence the head games again.
RoastLamb
24-11-2011, 18:41
He is cute. I love the sound he makes when he loses a makeable shot or he can't get to a dropper. Adorable.
Unfortunately, I think it's unlikely that Daveed will meet Fed before the final. It's likely that he will top his group and so meet either Rafa or Jo in the semis. Unless Nole or Berdych can beat Fed in the semis, he will regain the number 3 spot even if Little Daveed beats him in the final.
LC the fan
24-11-2011, 22:22
Then I can only hope that 'Little Daveed' puts a huge dent in the Federer confidence
I read somewhere that Federer is officially back to #3. Is that true?!
Madeline
25-11-2011, 08:55
I'm 99% certain he has to win his semi to do that.
Fed's not playing as well as we are all lead to believe in my opinion. Rafa was clearly below par and Fed has had to take 3 sets to beat off Fish & Tsonga. Ferrer has won in straights, I think he may cause the biggest upset of the year yet!
But the same is true with Ferrer. Murray and Djokovic were clearly below par.
I read somewhere that Federer is officially back to #3. Is that true?!
Federer must reach the final.
fed is into the final, so he's got the number 3 spot. andy needs to play thro pain and a few niggles to cut it with the fed.
fed can do it, andy is one of the 'other guys' whose bodies don't work like that
Sallydaisy
26-11-2011, 16:06
fed is into the final, so he's got the number 3 spot. andy needs to play thro pain and a few niggles to cut it with the fed.
???
:confused:
Where is the sense in Andy playing tennis through 'pain and a few niggles' if:
(a) he can't serve properly,
(b) he can't run to hit balls back
(c) he risks tearing an already strained muscle which could potentially then need surgery and 3 months off the tour?
If you've got an injury that stops you playing tennis properly there is no point being on the court in the first place.
I'm assuming that harriet is as usual being ironic.
KnightOwl
26-11-2011, 16:27
I'm sure that must be the case - I know sometimes it's frustrating when a player pulls out for something which seems fairly minor, but this seems like a very different case, and I'm sure harriet isn't advocating Andy playing in circumstances which could cause him serious further injury, and jeopardising the start of next season!
I'm assuming that harriet is as usual being ironic.
That's one word for it!
Speedy Hawk
27-11-2011, 14:13
I forgot that Roger takes No.3 from Andy being in final. Andy can catch up next year depends how well he plays and Roger plays.
yes, ironic, and in fact i am using federer's own words. federer says that because he plays 'offensively', and i quote him, he plays shorter points and is kinder to his body.
the guy has been around for yonks, and he may be worth hearing, and learning from.
i am impressed by his managing the schedule spiel, aren't you too?
Can anyone explain to me why Almagro is allowed to count 3 x 250 events and only 3 x 500 events (incl Monte Carlo and DC if relevant) - his 4th 500 event scored less than his third 250 event. Where as for example Tsonga is forced to count 4 x 500 (incl MC) and only 2 x 250 even though he has 2 lots of 250 that score more than his bottom 500s
Both players were in the top 30 at the end of 2010 and I thought if that was the case you could at most count 2 x 250 events.
Is this another case of the ATP not understanding their own ranking system or am I missing something?
From the rulebook:
Commitment players who have fulfilled their commitment
by entering (12 week deadline) and competing in four (4) ATP World Tour 500
events, one (1) of which must be held following the US Open, in the calendar year may
count their next best other result in lieu of their lowest 500 result used for ranking purposes*.
He did fulfil the commitment because he played Monte Carlo, even though he's not counting it. I think that must be the reason, anyway.
The only reason I can think about for Jo not to count a third 250 in place of one of his 500 is about the 12 weeks deadline. He played 4 500s or equivalent tournaments, he played one after the US Open, so the only issue has to be something about the deadline. With the entry-lists coming out 6 weeks prior, it's impossible to know (for us) about that :sad:
Here's my final rankings chart after WTF (although there may be a slight change if Rafa gets points from DC - but I don't think he can count them 'cos he has a zero pointer):
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings281111.jpg
david1610
04-12-2011, 21:00
yes, ironic, and in fact i am using federer's own words. federer says that because he plays 'offensively', and i quote him, he plays shorter points and is kinder to his body.
the guy has been around for yonks, and he may be worth hearing, and learning from.
i am impressed by his managing the schedule spiel, aren't you too?
Just a couple more comment on this.
(i) Fed saves a lot of energy because of the number of free points he gets on his serve. Especially in his prime he could push hard to break serve once and then serve out a set with not too much effort. Win sets 6-4 and advance to the next round with minimum energy expended.
(ii) One of Andy's comments about his Asian run was he was pleased with how EFFICIENTLY he won some of the matches and did what was suitable at the time on the day etc. to get the wins.
(iii) When somebody makes the statement that Rafa's career may be shorter than other great tennis players due to the wear and tear on his body his style of playing causes, nobody takes it as an anti-Rafa comment, but a reasonably objective concern.
(iv) Federer years ago pointed out that if Andy continued to rely on a defensive game, it would take its toll on his body. It was said in a catty way at the time, I felt, but there still was truth in the comment.
I sometimes think we are a bit precious when it comes to Federer comments. They are always said with the purpose of boosting his ego, but they can also contain grains of truth!
Update on my rankings chart - Rafa ends up with just 20 more points, as he gains 320 from DC but has to drop the 300 from Tokyo as he has a zero-pointer (he didn't play enough 500's in the year).
DrewZiph
26-12-2011, 10:18
I'm just looking forward to having tennis back....
And maybe this being the year Fed drops to number five or lower :p
Oh and REALLY excited to going to the olympics.
And excited for Del Potro to have a full season. I reckon he'll at least finish fifth in the rankings.
For anyone who is interested in the rankings can I suggest you take a look at the recently launched prediction competition for predicting the year end Top 8 over in the competitions section of this forum. The more entries the merrier. You have until the start of the Aussie Open to get your entries in. Good luck.
Last year's complete rankings graph for all those who were in the top 4 at some point ...
311
... and this year's graph, which for obvious reasons only shows when points are due to drop off at the moment:
310
The full 2012 calendar/points due off data is at http://bit.ly/vM5WBJ - 2012 is a a bit of an odd year, in the sense that Wimbledon and RG are a week closer to the USO than last year and the Olympics are on as well (Olympics, Toronto & Cincy in successive weeks then just one week's break before the USO - ouch!) and all in all, about half the tournaments have points coming off for 2011 in a different week to that in which the 2012 points get added.
supergran
01-01-2012, 23:11
Steven, have sent you a p.m
Sallydaisy
02-01-2012, 01:31
Steven, have sent you a p.m
Oooooooh ....... what's he done???
:sofa:
banskogirl
02-01-2012, 18:43
dont know but it made everyone quiet!
Oooooooh ....... what's he done???
:sofa:
spelling looks ok so it must be his grammar
Madeline
06-01-2012, 13:40
Federer has just withdrawn from Doha with a back injury, so he will lose 160 points. (250-90)
Every little helps, as Tesco's advert says!
patmoren
06-01-2012, 13:46
Federer has just withdrawn from Doha with a back injury, so he will lose 160 points. (250-90)
Every little helps, as Tesco's advert says!
Doesn't want to face rafa who seems to be improving fast. :)
He would have had to beat Tsonga first - by no means certain!
david1610
06-01-2012, 14:04
Good news looking up... bad news looking down in that Tsonga gets at least finalist points and we still do not know if Tsonga is going to fulfil his potential this year, or not.
I don't like the fact this thread has been moved to tour tennis. it took me some time to find it. I fully accept that logically it should be here because it discusses more than Andy's ranking. However the majority of the thread is in respect of Andy's ranking or how others rankings might impact on Andy and it has always been a thread viewed by lots of people when on the Andy section of the forum and I think it will diminish in importance in this area which is a place I and I suspect lots of people rarely visit.
david1610
08-01-2012, 05:39
I don't like the fact this thread has been moved to tour tennis. it took me some time to find it. I fully accept that logically it should be here because it discusses more than Andy's ranking. However the majority of the thread is in respect of Andy's ranking or how others rankings might impact on Andy and it has always been a thread viewed by lots of people when on the Andy section of the forum and I think it will diminish in importance in this area which is a place I and I suspect lots of people rarely visit.
That seems a very reasonable argument in favour of putting it back where it was.
Any chance of that, mods?
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 05:58
I don't like the fact this thread has been moved to tour tennis. it took me some time to find it. I fully accept that logically it should be here because it discusses more than Andy's ranking. However the majority of the thread is in respect of Andy's ranking or how others rankings might impact on Andy and it has always been a thread viewed by lots of people when on the Andy section of the forum and I think it will diminish in importance in this area which is a place I and I suspect lots of people rarely visit.
That seems a very reasonable argument in favour of putting it back where it was.
Any chance of that, mods?
Thanks for the comments ... will give it some thought but it's 5.45am so now is not the best time.
However, I moved it (so you can direct your ire at me rather than the other mods!) because having read through the more recent pages it seemed to have become a 2nd general chat thread about the ATP so much so that I was considering merging it with the main ATP discussion thread!!!
It's called ATP rankings (and isn't just about Andy) so tbh it doesn't really belong in Andy Rules which is primarily about his matches and tournaments.
Will revisit this later on Sunday so please don't think you're being ignored; need sleep!
david1610
08-01-2012, 07:00
What about putting it back and renaming it "Andy's ranking" or "Andy's ATP ranking" then clearly is an Andy-related theme. As his ranking involves the context of other players and their rankings (Andy is x points below and y above players 1 and 2...) or how the ranking is calculated, at times it might seem to concentrate not just on Andy, but putting Andy's name in the thread should help to emphasize its real focus and also give mods the legitimacy to remind us of the title and to stop being OT if it strays too far away from its purpose! :)
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 07:05
It's all in hand David ... and I've sent you a PM.
In the old forum, long before Andy got into the top rankings, I started a thread in the Tour Tennis section where I regularly posted ranking information on the top players. Much later, once Andy was amongst the top players, someone else started a thread in the Andy section which also was for ranking information. We continued to have two separate threads for the life of that forum, but it seems much more sensible to me to have one thread for ATP rankings, and to keep it in the Tour Tennis section.
Aussie Andy
08-01-2012, 10:49
Linda, will you be doing your rankings chart sometime soon? I always enjoy studying the points and working out where Andy could gain (and the others lose).
Yes, Aussie Andy.
Here is the final chart for 2011:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2011Rankings311211.jpg
Well, it would be if it worked! Since we've had the new forum I've been unable to post pictures from the internet - I can only post thumbnails from my computer. I'll have to find out what is going wrong.
I have to go and cook Sunday Lunch now, but later on I'll rearrange the chart for the current year. :)
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 13:15
HI Linda - I'm not seeing the chart, just the link in the [IMG] tags.
Actually, I can see any of your charts which is odd 'cos originally I could.
:confused:
This forum doesn't seem to want to let me post pictures from the internet, only thumbnails from my computer. When I try using the Image icon, it tells me that it's an invalid address (I've tried to post other pictures, eg on the birthday thread, and had the same problem). So I just copied it into the post directly and typed [IMG] round either side. I forgot to put / before the second IMG, but I've corrected that now. But for some strange reason, it's showing a thumbnail as well! :confused:
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 13:29
This forum doesn't seem to want to let me post pictures from the internet, only thumbnails from my computer. When I try using the Image icon, it tells me that it's an invalid address. So I just copied it into the post directly and typed [IMG] round either side. I forgot to put / before the second IMG, but I've corrected that now.
I had the same trouble too but it was because I kept forgetting to un-tick a box when loading an image from a url.
When the image posting box comes up click to the right on url. Put in the image code and then you have to untick the box down to the left of "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" before saving/sending.
I just did it with the link for your thumbnail and it's come up ... as a thumbnail.
http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=321&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1326028511
Here's an image from the internet ......
I googled blue daisy via images and got this. (http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=578&q=daisy&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&oq=daisy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l0l2534l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0#hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB%3Aofficial&gbv=2&tbs=isz:m&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=blue+daisy&oq=blue+daisy&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=3724l4434l0l5120l5l3l0l0l0l0l399l723l0.1.1. 1l3l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2bea4283912fa9a&biw=1024&bih=578)
Left clicked on the 4th along top left and then right clicked to isolate and did copy image location.
Then input it into here as above .....
http://autoart.com/images/Blue_Daisy_2_resize.jpg
Ah right, I just have to untick that box then. I wonder what that box is there for and why it defaults to ticked? It wasn't there on the old forum. :confused:
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 13:34
Ah right, I just have to untick that box then. I wonder what that box is there for and why it defaults to ticked? It wasn't there on the old forum. :confused:
The perils of an upgrade ........ or how VB comes these days.
;)
I'm still only seeing your thumbnail but at least when I click on it I can see it bigger!
Whereas the url I copied into my post refuses to go larger ........
:doh:
Ah right, I just have to untick that box then. I wonder what that box is there for and why it defaults to ticked? It wasn't there on the old forum. :confused:
If you leave the box ticked, the image is copied to andymurrayfanforum.com and whenever people view it they're using andymurrayfanforum.com's bandwidth. If you untick the box, you get a a reference to the website where you found the image (or where you uploaded it). The latter is sometimes considered bad form because bandwidth costs money.
I'm sorry if none of this makes sense - I've had trouble explaining bandwidth before...
Basically, you're fine anyway because photobucket expect you to display your images on other websites, so won't be upset about the bandwith "stealing".
GBtennis Steven
A quick look at the new ATP rulebook suggests that while top 30 (as at 14.11.2011) players still have to play 4 ATP 500s, they no longer ..
have to count them in preference to ATP 250s. If so, this would mean AM could count Brisbane '12 in place of his Rotterdam '11 R1 loss ..
.. though as always with the ATP rankings these days, it is anyone's guess what will actually happen until the new rankings come out!
stu_fraser Stuart Fraser
@GBtennis Great find, Steven. Now trying to get my head round how this works. So Murray should go to 7630 points tomorrow?
Hmm, if there's some doubt about which tournaments can be counted, I think I'd better hold off posting my chart post-Brisbane/Doha until after I've seen tomorrow's ATP rankings.
Note that this year I will often show different points to the ATP. That is because they take points off exactly one calendar year after they were earned. So if the date of a tournament changes, as happens with quite a few tournaments this year, the ATP could count the same tournament twice (2011 & 2012) in a player's ranking, or alternatively not count it at all. I take off the points for last year's tournament at the same time as adding the points for the same tournament this year, which I think gives a more accurate picture of where the player actually stands.
banskogirl
08-01-2012, 18:30
Hmm, if there's some doubt about which tournaments can be counted, I think I'd better hold off posting my chart post-Brisbane/Doha until after I've seen tomorrow's ATP rankings.
Note that this year I will often show different points to the ATP. That is because they take points off exactly one calendar year after they were earned. So if the date of a tournament changes, as happens with quite a few tournaments this year, the ATP could count the same tournament twice (2011 & 2012) in a player's ranking, or alternatively not count it at all. I take off the points for last year's tournament at the same time as adding the points for the same tournament this year, which I think gives a more accurate picture of where the player actually stands.
Can't they give you a job, you make it so much easier :thanks:
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 18:39
Hmm, if there's some doubt about which tournaments can be counted, I think I'd better hold off posting my chart post-Brisbane/Doha until after I've seen tomorrow's ATP rankings.
Note that this year I will often show different points to the ATP. That is because they take points off exactly one calendar year after they were earned. So if the date of a tournament changes, as happens with quite a few tournaments this year, the ATP could count the same tournament twice (2011 & 2012) in a player's ranking, or alternatively not count it at all. I take off the points for last year's tournament at the same time as adding the points for the same tournament this year, which I think gives a more accurate picture of where the player actually stands.
I remember 4 years ago when the Beijing Olympics was on and they switched round loads of dates and the rankings gurus had a nightmare/field day/purple fit (delete as required).
Sallydaisy
08-01-2012, 23:46
Just wanting to clarify a couple of things. When we were in the Temp Tent we kept new threads to a minimum to make it easy to copy over information to a permanent place. So we only had one thread for rankings. However, from memory I think we had 2 or 3 in the previous forums and I couldn't remember them all.
So, this is the proposal:-
1. Keep this thread in Tour Tennis. It needs a few posts moving so that it's about player rankings.
Linda has confirmed that her chart went into the ATP Rankings thread which was in Tour Tennis in am.com so it makes sense to keep that going in here.
2. Set up a new thread in Andy 'off-court' which will have his full ranking history in the first post and then be a discussion place for his rankings up and down and various scenarios. I can't remember if this is where we used to put the Arka? The thread is being drafted - there's just 300+ entries to go - so it'll be up in the next couple of days.
3. Race for #1. IIRC (and am waiting to hear) this is where Steven posted his graph.
I cannot remember which sub-forum it lived in but I think it was either Andy off Court or Tour Tennis.
I believe there were some other stats threads so if anyone can remember them please post.
Once things are in place this current thread needs a bit of a tidy up/move posts.
Does that all make sense?
No, Steven posted his graphs in the new ranking thread in the Andy section (he may have been the person who set it up), not in 'my' rankings thread (called The Race for #1 Ranking) in the Tour Tennis section.
Anyway, here is my chart updated for Doha/Brisbane.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings090112.jpg
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Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 22:31
Thanks Linda for all the information.
I've now set up a new thread for Andy's Ranking and put it in Andy Rules.
There's a full history of his ATP rankings progress in the first post and a summary of his ranking points as at today.
Seems to be some conflict over how they should be calculated!!!.
We'll probably have to move some posts out of here and into Andy's thread and I apologise in advance but there's no way of saying which were moved so please don't think any have been deleted .....
Sallydaisy
09-01-2012, 22:31
Linda - for some reason I still cannot see any of your charts at all.
Would you be able to post the thumbnail as well as I can deffo see that in your post from the other day.
:thanks:
could i suggest one final alteration linda :shamed: do you think the upcoming week could be highlighted(shaded differently) so as to pick out where we are in the year easier
Aussie Andy
10-01-2012, 00:34
Thanks Linda. So Andy can only count 2 250 point tournaments. What a pity.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings300112.jpg
At least four players reached a new career high as a result of this AO: Lopez 15, Nishikori 20, Granollers 26 and Tomic 34 (there are probably others that I haven't noticed).
Anyone fancy doing the maths and coming up with a ranking chart based on just 3 set matches based on the last 2 years?
supergran
03-03-2012, 00:54
Sorry, not good at Maths.
Can't be bothered to look over 2 years, but if you look at the top 4's current ranking points and take out the slams, then Nole is still no.1 and Andy is still no.4, but Fed is no.2 and Rafa is no.3.
Here's the rankings after Dubai:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012rankings050312.jpg
patmoren
03-03-2012, 21:08
What has happened to the chart Linda I have a 19"screen and can't get the whole chart on at once, so impossible to follow as you can't see the tournaments and columns at the same time. Haven't had a problem before.
What has happened to the chart Linda I have a 19"screen and can't get the whole chart on at once, so impossible to follow as you can't see the tournaments and columns at the same time. Haven't had a problem before.
Mine is fine Pat. Have you altered the zoom on your browser?
patmoren
04-03-2012, 07:48
Mine is fine Pat. Have you altered the zoom on your browser?
Thanks AllyB. I hadn't consciously altered it, have reduced it but the wriring is quite small now, so I don't think it is all down to the zoom.
It looks exactly the same as before on my screen. I have a 24" screen but it doesn't fill the width of it. I could add another player and it would still (just) fit in.
its all the stupid padding on the left
david1610
05-03-2012, 00:14
Interesting that Dubai Finalist and Brisbane W are approximately equivalent to loss of points in AO between the SF this year and the F last year. Well, +70. However, Rafa and Roger relatively big gainers in this period.
Updated for IW
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings190312.jpg
Sallydaisy
02-04-2012, 09:16
Top 20 points as of 2/4/2012:-
12670 Djokovic
9935 Nadal
9035 Federer
8040 Murray
4700 Ferrer
4670 Tsonga
3725 Berdych
2820 Tipsarevic +1
2730 Fish -1
2660 Del Potro +1
2630 Isner -1
2250 Almagro
2050 Simon
2015 Monfils
1855 Lopez
1810 Monaco +5
1750 Nishikori -1
1640 Gasquet -1
1565 Verdasco +1
1540 Mayer -1
Shows how much of a stranglehold the top 4 have on their ranking places. However, Federer is now less than 1000 points below Nadal - so surely he must hope he can regarin #2 during the clay season - especially if you look at how much Rafa has to defend.
Total clay points to defend from 2011 (MC-Bar-Rome-Est/Bel-Mad-RG):
Nole - 2970 (0-0-1000-250-1000-720)
Rafa - 4700 (1000-500-600-0-600-2000)
Roger - 1830 (180-0-90-0-360-1200)
Andy - 1530 (360-0-360-0-90-720)
If you take all those clay points off their current ranking points (simplistic I know)
this is how they stand at the start of Monte Carlo/the clay season:
Nole - 9700
Roger - 7205 - not playing Monte Carlo so can't defend the 180 he got last year
Andy - 6510 - needs to reach Semi's at Monte to defend 360 points from last year
Rafa - 4335
Here's the post-Miami chart:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings020412.jpg
Andy was the only one of the top 4 to gain points at Miami! :)
Updated for Monte Carlo. NOTE: the ATP have already taken off last year's points for Barcelona, but I have not.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings230412.jpg
Updated for Madrid:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012rankings140512.jpg
Note that when the ATP's rankings come out tomorrow they will NOT be the same. This is because they are taking off last year's Rome points tomorrow whereas in my system they only come off when replaced by the new points for that tournament, i.e. next Sunday. (I think that my system gives a truer picture.)
Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/21/tennis-men-rankings-idUKL4E8FU7ZS20120521)- Tennis-ATP World Tour rankings
RoastLamb
22-05-2012, 13:08
Rafa's catching up to Djoko. Almost. :lol:
Here's the chart after Rome:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings210512.jpg
Rafa's catching up to Djoko. Almost. :lol:
It's closer in the race - no wonder Rafa says he prefers it
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 4,920
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 4,750
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 4,225
4 Ferrer, David (ESP) 2,580
5 Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 2,325
6 Murray, Andy (GBR) 2,240
Athough I think the rankings give a better overall view - for instance, Andy looks like he's lagging in the race, but he normally picks up more points in the second half of the year.
[QUOTE
It's closer in the race - no wonder Rafa says he prefers it
1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 4,920
2 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 4,750
3 Federer, Roger (SUI) 4,225
4 Ferrer, David (ESP) 2,580
5 Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 2,325
6 Murray, Andy (GBR) 2,240
Athough I think the rankings give a better overall view - for instance, Andy looks like he's lagging in the race, but he normally picks up more points in the second half of the year.[/QUOTE]
,,,,,,,,,,, but he also has a lot to defend.
Ouch! Sixth place for Andy in the race isn't too clever (although it's a fair reflection of his form at the moment). I'm guessing he was a fair bit higher this time last year?
Ouch! Sixth place for Andy in the race isn't too clever (although it's a fair reflection of his form at the moment). I'm guessing he was a fair bit higher this time last year?
He was clear 4th this time last year I believe. His results were better back then due to his final run at the Australian Open combined with his decent results at the clay Masters.
Maybe (I hope!) Andy will prove me wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if Andy fell to 7th in the race after the French Open as he's facing opposition from Del Porto who's only 55 points behind him.
I think it all depends on the draw. But I'm not too worried by Andy being behind in the race at this time of year, because that is usual (last year was unusual). Andy normally picks up a lot of points in the second half of the year.
He was clear 4th this time last year I believe. His results were better back then due to his final run at the Australian Open combined with his decent results at the clay Masters.
Maybe (I hope!) Andy will prove me wrong but it wouldn't surprise me if Andy fell to 7th in the race after the French Open as he's facing opposition from Del Porto who's only 55 points behind him.
Delpo's not playing that well - lost in 2 sets today to Simone Bolelli - ranked 111.
Updated for RG:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings110612.jpg
I'm still a week out of synch with ATP - they have taken last year's Queens off and I haven't.
Updated for Queens/Halle
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings180612.jpg
Dare I ask where Andy is in the race at the moment?
Andy is 5th in the race: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/YTD-Singles.aspx
Sallydaisy
22-06-2012, 17:23
If Roger wins Wimbledon this year he'll return to #1.
:faint:
This is because Fed is in Djo's half so if he beats the Serb in the Semis Nole would only get 720 points. If Rog goes on to beat Rafa in the Final he'd get the 2000 and Rafa would get 1200 defending his LY points.
Possible scenario:-
If Rog bt Raf
current
minus ly Wim
net
add TY Wim
new pnts
Nole
12280
2000
10280
720
11000
Rafa
10060
1200
8860
1200
10060
Roger
9435
360
9075
2000
11075
Andy
6980
720
6260
720
6980
Roger has by far the easiest draw this year so I don't see anyone taking him out before the semis. Roger and Nole have never met on grass so it's anyone's guess who would win that one. If Roger should get through, it will make the top 3 very close on points - rather like when I originally started my chart, several years ago.
Mind you, if Fed was no 1 and Nole no 2, and Rafa no 3, then Andy would not be able to meet Rafa in the semis in further slams.
So if Fed wins Wimbledon he would be doing Andy a favour? :rolling:
So if Fed wins Wimbledon he would be doing Andy a favour? :rolling:
Well one does have to see the positive side of things :rolling:
RoastLamb
22-06-2012, 21:05
Roger has by far the easiest draw this year so I don't see anyone taking him out before the semis. Roger and Nole have never met on grass so it's anyone's guess who would win that one. If Roger should get through, it will make the top 3 very close on points - rather like when I originally started my chart, several years ago.
They've never met each other on grass? I hope to heck he beats Fed if they do meet. Everyone's picking Fed to win, it seems. :sad:
Fed does look as though he's been dealt a good draw.
RoastLamb
22-06-2012, 23:26
He's got a great draw and has avoided Tsonga or Berdych in the quarters. Bummer.
DrewZiph
04-07-2012, 20:02
I'm going to lend from Linda above and show where we currently are with this
After Quarter finals.
Nole 11000
Roger 9795
Rafa 8905
Andy 6980
The same applies that if Fed wins the tourny, he will outscore novak by 1280 points and go back to number 1.
Updated for Wimbledon:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings090712.jpg
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
Point worth making is that Federer now has to go one better than Djokovic this week to stay at world No.1.
anyone know if 3rd & 4th in the Olympics get different points?
Sallydaisy
04-08-2012, 18:39
anyone know if 3rd & 4th in the Olympics get different points?
Yep. It's in the first post of the closed thread. Here you go.
Gold: 750, Silver: 450, Bronze: 340, SF: 270, QF: 135, R16: 70, R32: 35, R64: 5
I think 3rd(bronze) get 340points & 4th get 270points!.............
Sorry Sally beat me to it!!!:thumbup:
Updated for the Olympics
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings060812.jpg
Updated for Toronto:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings130812.jpg
Andy is miles behind the top 3 - such a shame he missed Toronto.
david1610
14-08-2012, 23:35
Andy is miles behind the top 3 - such a shame he missed Toronto.
At first glance, yes, but a USO win would give him a possible net gain of about 2 000 points on Roger and/or Nole. Then there is the WTF (though Nole has a lot to gain there too) and even if he does not have the same quality and points on the Asian swing, he could gain a lot in Paris.
Once Andy starts winning slams, the points will take care of themselves! :) In fact, if he wins the USO I suspect he will finish the year in the top 2.
At first glance, yes, but a USO win would give him a possible net gain of about 2 000 points on Roger and/or Nole. Then there is the WTF (though Nole has a lot to gain there too) and even if he does not have the same quality and points on the Asian swing, he could gain a lot in Paris.
Once Andy starts winning slams, the points will take care of themselves! :) In fact, if he wins the USO I suspect he will finish the year in the top 2.
As of the 13/08/12 the race for the O2, top is Nole with 8110 ranking points next Fed @7545, Rafa @6840 and Andy way down @4640 and Ferrer chasing his tail @4005, so yes Andy needs to stay on top of the other guys for the rest of the season to be at least #2 to get a good draw in the 2 groups.
DrewZiph
16-08-2012, 11:49
FYI being in the top two is not really different than being in the top four. The group would have one of fed djok and nadal either way
Updated for Cinci
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings200812.jpg
Sallydaisy
08-09-2012, 22:54
I think Andy's win today will take him to #3 in the next rankings (to be updated after the USO).
Rafa drops 1200 points taking him to 7515.
Andy has defended his 720 for last years SF and gained a further 480 for reaching the Final.
That puts him on 7770; if he wins the USO on Monday he'll be on 8570.
Do I have this right?
As I see it Roger drops 360 but Nole can't overtake him even if he is the one who wins on Monday as he's defending 2000 from last year.
I realise Rafa hasn't been able to play to defend his points but I guess that happens to a lot of the guys from time to time (e.g. Andy after his wrist injury in Hamburg and out for 3 months back then).
Yes, when the rankings come out (presumably will be on Tuesday as the final isn't being played until Monday) Andy will be #3 and Rafa will be #4.
Here are the rankings updated for USO:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings100912.jpg
Steven @GBtennis
2013 version of my top 4 'when the points drop' graph is now up at http://bit.ly/UDpkG9 (tonight's winner adds 500 to the start value, obv)
.. that graph reflects the obvious - Fed winning today gives Andy a shot at getting to no 1 quicker (but easier to get to no 2 if Nole wins)
Sallydaisy
12-11-2012, 19:47
You beat me to it .........
:p
Beyond The Baseline @SI_BTBaseline
Loss puts Almagro out of Top 10, Gasquet in. RT @RPiatti: Bravo Stepanek and bravo Richard for ending the year top 10!!!
dear lord what has dammit done this year to nab a top ten slot no better than last 16 in the slams? pretty much the same in masters think he made one semi or a final
Sorry I haven't done this for ages as I've not been here! Here are the year end rankings positions for the top 4:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings191112.jpg
Here's the first chart of the year!
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings070113.jpg
I just looked on the ATP website and strangely, they haven't updated theirs yet!
david1610
07-01-2013, 23:22
It hurts me to say this, but have you had to think about putting Daveed's name up there or are you going to pass on that....
There is another piece of analysis that we may also have to make at some point if it becomes clear that Andy is seriously after the no. 1 spot, which is that until now I have taken it for granted that each year Rafa sweeps up in the clay season.
However, if he is not at his best and is one of the people sweeping up rather than the main person, who out of the other top three will benefit most from this and will it help or hinder Andy's chances to become no. 1 this year?
Or is it a bit disrespectful to Rafa to start thinking about that already?
Not really disrespectful, more realistic IMHO. I do wonder how long he'll continue. This seems pretty serious this time and he's not getting any younger.
:confused: I did add David to the chart - can't you see him? You may have to scroll over to the right.
:confused: I did add David to the chart - can't you see him? You may have to scroll over to the right.
I can see Daveeeeeeeeeeed fine, thanks Linda.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings280113.jpg
Updated for Rotterdam & Brazil
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings180213.jpg
Updated for Dubai & Acapulco
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings040313.jpg
Updated for IW
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings180313-1.jpg
Not working Linda...
And now neither are the two previous ones!
Sallydaisy
19-03-2013, 08:07
That's really odd; it hasn't been a problem until now and I looked only a couple of days ago.
Maybe it's a photobucket problem?
Hope Linda can fix it - they're really useful charts.
:grrr: I've already moaned about the new Photbucket in the :grrr: thread. Have people coming round now, will have to try to sort it later.
Hopefully they're all back in their right places now!
Updated for Miami:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings010413.jpg
Can anyone else see the chart? I've done exactly the same as usual but I can't see it :sad: I hate all these changes :grrr:
JAMES4578
31-03-2013, 21:36
I can see the chart fine,I'm using Google Chrome.
I can't see the chart :sad: I can see all the other ones but not todays one!
Using IE
Sallydaisy
31-03-2013, 21:38
I can't ... but I'm in FF. Will try in IE after Foyles War.
hfwardhouse
31-03-2013, 21:41
Can't see it in IE either :sad:
Oh dear. I can see it now so don't know why others can't :sad:
I can view it by right clicking, properties and copying/pasting the URL:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings010413.jpg
CRIKEY!!!!!!!!!! In all the hype about overtaking Fed and reaching #2, I hadn't appreciated just how close Andy is to Nole :faint:
patmoren
01-04-2013, 09:29
CRIKEY!!!!!!!!!! In all the hype about overtaking Fed and reaching #2, I hadn't appreciated just how close Andy is to Nole :faint:
3620 is close????
hfwardhouse
01-04-2013, 09:37
I can see it now :confused:
3620 is close????
Oops - need new glasses!
Actually though (and please bear in mind I'm not very good with numbers), if we look purely at the points for this year and given that points come off at each stage for all of them as well as going on, isn't it possibly closer than it looks - or at least very much heading in the right direction?
Certainly Andy has gained points so far this year and Nole has lost points overall. But Nole is still ahead in the race - it just shows how well Nole did last year.
david1610
02-04-2013, 21:35
Certainly Andy has gained points so far this year and Nole has lost points overall. But Nole is still ahead in the race - it just shows how well Nole did last year.
Andy proably needs something like a better clay court season (turn QFs into SFs and SFs into Fs), two GSs, another couple of Master's and to be one of the finalists at the WTF IMHO. Not much really...
What is really surprising is that Nole is so far ahead when he only holds one GS title. Normally the #1 is well ahead but that is due to holding two or even three GS titles. It goes to show how well he's done in all the other tournaments.
Updated for Monte Carlo:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings220413.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/2013Rankings220413.jpg.html)
Updated for Barcelona (I did this Sunday night but forgot to post it :facepalm:)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings290413.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/2013Rankings290413.jpg.html)
banskogirl
30-04-2013, 21:12
Hopefully this wee gap won't last too long! I mean in a good way............
Updated for Madrid (and with some slight changes in format)
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2012Rankings130513.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/2012Rankings130513.jpg.html)
With today's results, Rafa will now be #1 in the race! :)
Updated for Rome:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings200513.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/2013Rankings200513.jpg.html)
So not playing RG would be bad news for Andy when Rafa wins it! :crying:
So not playing RG would be bad news for Andy when Rafa wins it! :crying:
Won't Rafa have 2000 points to come off and Andy only 360 - so it should be OK? It looks like its bad new for Andy if Federer wins it though.
Won't Rafa have 2000 points to come off and Andy only 360 - so it should be OK? It looks like its bad new for Andy if Federer wins it though.
Oops, forgot about points coming off! I'm such a numptie with figures......:shamed:
Brad Gilbert @bgtennisnation 6m
If Rafa wins tomorrow he will have 7000 points on the year all most 2000 lead on Djoker for points in 2013 but yet will drop to #5 on monday
Updated for RG:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/2013Rankings100613.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/2013Rankings100613.jpg.html)
Updated for Wimbledon:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/Rankings080713.jpg (http://s227.photobucket.com/user/Granny_Linda/media/Rankings/Rankings080713.jpg.html)
Federer may have no ranking points to defend this week as he missed canada last year but he has 1,000 to defend next week in Cincinnati. Could he be dropping further down the rankings before the US Open? Berdych would pass him next week if Federer does not play what ever happens and would pass this week if Bery won the title. Del Potro also has chances to also pass again more likely next week than this.
How far can Federer slip down the rankings before it becomes too much for him? Or will he come back next week and play the sort of tennis where he can start to climb the rankings again?
supergran
05-08-2013, 13:44
Have read that unless Fed wins Cincy he will drop down to 7. Is this right?
Have tried 3 times to upload the latest chart but each time it chops off the bottom line :grrr:
Here is the chart as of today:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/13Rankings050813.jpg
I might be able to leave Roger out of the chart soon :)
Have read that unless Fed wins Cincy he will drop down to 7. Is this right?
Only Berdy is guaranteed to pass Federer in those circumstances so he will drop to 6 for sure if he does not play next week but as I said Del Potro would have reasonable chances to also pass. In theory either of them could even go ahead of Federer this week if they won in Canada.
Updated for Montreal:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/13Rankings120813.jpg
patmoren
19-08-2013, 13:58
Wonder why ATP haven't updated the rankings today. Maybe they don't want to put Fed down to No.7
banskogirl
19-08-2013, 15:29
I'm not in a hurry to see it changed ;) Andy's still at No: 2
Sallydaisy
19-08-2013, 17:02
I'm not in a hurry to see it changed ;) Andy's still at No: 2
Well, he is on the ATP Home Page but not in the Singles Rankings chart ...
... here's the top 50. Some surprising names in there - both young and old!
Rank, Name & Nationality
Points
1 Djokovic, Novak (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx) (SRB)
10,980 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Djokovic.aspx?t=rb)
2 Nadal, Rafael (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx) (ESP)
8,860 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Rafael-Nadal.aspx?t=rb)
3 Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx) (GBR)
8,700 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx?t=rb)
4 Ferrer, David (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx) (ESP)
7,210 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/David-Ferrer.aspx?t=rb)
5 Berdych, Tomas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx) (CZE)
5,135 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx?t=rb)
6 Del Potro, Juan Martin (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Martin-Del-Potro.aspx) (ARG)
4,740 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Martin-Del-Potro.aspx?t=rb)
7 Federer, Roger (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx) (SUI)
4,695 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Roger-Federer.aspx?t=rb)
8 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jo-Wilfried-Tsonga.aspx) (FRA)
3,470 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jo-Wilfried-Tsonga.aspx?t=rb)
9 Gasquet, Richard (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Richard-Gasquet.aspx) (FRA)
2,625 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Richard-Gasquet.aspx?t=rb)
10 Wawrinka, Stanislas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Stanislas-Wawrinka.aspx) (SUI)
2,610 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Stanislas-Wawrinka.aspx?t=rb)
11 Raonic, Milos (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Milos-Raonic.aspx) (CAN)
2,555 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Milos-Raonic.aspx?t=rb)
12 Nishikori, Kei (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Kei-Nishikori.aspx) (JPN)
2,405 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Kei-Nishikori.aspx?t=rb)
13 Haas, Tommy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tommy-Haas.aspx) (GER)
2,185 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tommy-Haas.aspx?t=rb)
14 Isner, John (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/John-Isner.aspx) (USA)
2,185 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/John-Isner.aspx?t=rb)
15 Janowicz, Jerzy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jerzy-Janowicz.aspx) (POL)
2,113 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jerzy-Janowicz.aspx?t=rb)
16 Almagro, Nicolas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Nicolas-Almagro.aspx) (ESP)
2,110 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Nicolas-Almagro.aspx?t=rb)
17 Simon, Gilles (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Gilles-Simon.aspx) (FRA)
2,040 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Gilles-Simon.aspx?t=rb)
18 Fognini, Fabio (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Fabio-Fognini.aspx) (ITA)
2,025 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Fabio-Fognini.aspx?t=rb)
19 Cilic, Marin (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Marin-Cilic.aspx) (CRO)
1,805 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Marin-Cilic.aspx?t=rb)
20 Anderson, Kevin (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Kevin-Anderson.aspx) (RSA)
1,740 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Kevin-Anderson.aspx?t=rb)
21 Tipsarevic, Janko (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Janko-Tipsarevic.aspx) (SRB)
1,685 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Janko-Tipsarevic.aspx?t=rb)
22 Robredo, Tommy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tommy-Robredo.aspx) (ESP)
1,620 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tommy-Robredo.aspx?t=rb)
23 Seppi, Andreas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andreas-Seppi.aspx) (ITA)
1,550 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andreas-Seppi.aspx?t=rb)
24 Youzhny, Mikhail (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Mikhail-Youzhny.aspx) (RUS)
1,475 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Mikhail-Youzhny.aspx?t=rb)
25 Kohlschreiber, Philipp (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Philipp-Kohlschreiber.aspx) (GER)
1,445 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Philipp-Kohlschreiber.aspx?t=rb)
26 Lopez, Feliciano (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Feliciano-Lopez.aspx) (ESP)
1,435 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Feliciano-Lopez.aspx?t=rb)
27 Paire, Benoit (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Benoit-Paire.aspx) (FRA)
1,415 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Benoit-Paire.aspx?t=rb)
28 Dimitrov, Grigor (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Grigor-Dimitrov.aspx) (BUL)
1,375 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Grigor-Dimitrov.aspx?t=rb)
29 Querrey, Sam (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Sam-Querrey.aspx) (USA)
1,310 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Sam-Querrey.aspx?t=rb)
30 Verdasco, Fernando (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Fernando-Verdasco.aspx) (ESP)
1,290 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Fernando-Verdasco.aspx?t=rb)
31 Monaco, Juan (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Monaco.aspx) (ARG)
1,275 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Juan-Monaco.aspx?t=rb)
32 Melzer, Jurgen (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jurgen-Melzer.aspx) (AUT)
1,220 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jurgen-Melzer.aspx?t=rb)
33 Gulbis, Ernests (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Ernests-Gulbis.aspx) (LAT)
1,196 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Ernests-Gulbis.aspx?t=rb)
34 Benneteau, Julien (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Julien-Benneteau.aspx) (FRA)
1,185 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Julien-Benneteau.aspx?t=rb)
35 Tursunov, Dmitry (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Dmitry-Tursunov.aspx) (RUS)
1,151 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Dmitry-Tursunov.aspx?t=rb)
36 Chardy, Jeremy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jeremy-Chardy.aspx) (FRA)
1,130 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jeremy-Chardy.aspx?t=rb)
37 Dodig, Ivan (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Ivan-Dodig.aspx) (CRO)
1,125 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Ivan-Dodig.aspx?t=rb)
38 Dolgopolov, Alexandr (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Alexandr-Dolgopolov.aspx) (UKR)
1,080 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Alexandr-Dolgopolov.aspx?t=rb)
39 Pospisil, Vasek (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Po/V/Vasek-Pospisil.aspx) (CAN)
1,051 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Po/V/Vasek-Pospisil.aspx?t=rb)
40 Nieminen, Jarkko (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jarkko-Nieminen.aspx) (FIN)
1,050 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Jarkko-Nieminen.aspx?t=rb)
41 Davydenko, Nikolay (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Nikolay-Davydenko.aspx) (RUS)
1,030 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Nikolay-Davydenko.aspx?t=rb)
42 Granollers, Marcel (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Marcel-Granollers.aspx) (ESP)
975 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Marcel-Granollers.aspx?t=rb)
43 Monfils, Gael (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Gael-Monfils.aspx) (FRA)
950 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Gael-Monfils.aspx?t=rb)
44 Montanes, Albert (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Albert-Montanes.aspx) (ESP)
950 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Albert-Montanes.aspx?t=rb)
45 Rosol, Lukas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Lukas-Rosol.aspx) (CZE)
941 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Lukas-Rosol.aspx?t=rb)
46 Klizan, Martin (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Martin-Klizan.aspx) (SVK)
935 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Martin-Klizan.aspx?t=rb)
47 Mayer, Florian (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Florian-Mayer.aspx) (GER)
905 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Florian-Mayer.aspx?t=rb)
48 Berlocq, Carlos (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Carlos-Berlocq.aspx) (ARG)
905 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Carlos-Berlocq.aspx?t=rb)
49 Llodra, Michael (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Michael-Llodra.aspx) (FRA)
889 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Michael-Llodra.aspx?t=rb)
50 Zeballos, Horacio (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Horacio-Zeballos.aspx) (ARG)
874 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Horacio-Zeballos.aspx?t=rb)
Updated for Cinci:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/13Rankings190813.jpg
Hi guy. New to the forum. I don't think this is the right place to ask this but...
I want to make the effort to watch andy at this yrs US open, I usually what highlights retrospectively.
What time are the matches? When's andys first match? How does the us open work/pan out? Finding the lack of info a bit confusing.
X
Sallydaisy
24-08-2013, 19:58
Hi guy. New to the forum. I don't think this is the right place to ask this but...
I want to make the effort to watch andy at this yrs US open, I usually what highlights retrospectively.
What time are the matches? When's andys first match? How does the us open work/pan out? Finding the lack of info a bit confusing.
X
Hi Mumaj
There is a 'closed' thread with information - see link here.
http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2132-US-OPEN-2013-26-August-9-September.-Information-thread-Draws-OOP-reference.-*LOCKED*&p=152898&viewfull=1#post152898
This is updated daily with OOP's and other relevant information.
The general discussion thread is here:http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2069-US-OPEN-(Grand-Slam)-26-8-9-9-2013.-Main-thread-information.
There will be separate threads for ladies, doubles and so on from Monday onwards.
Welcome again!
Updated for Cinci:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/13Rankings190813.jpg
Whilst I can understand the delight in knocking Federer off your chart I just hope its not premature taking Ferrer off as well given that he and Andy are getting very close in points when you take off last years US Open points for both players.
I can always put him back on if necessary. But I do think that the ongoing situation will be a 'Top 3' of Rafa, Nole and Andy.
Federer will rise to at least number 6 from his current number 7 ranking after the US Open having got further than Del Potro. If he goes a round further than Berdych he would also pass him and be back to number 5.
Federer will rise to at least number 6 from his current number 7 ranking after the US Open having got further than Del Potro. If he goes a round further than Berdych he would also pass him and be back to number 5.
And now????????
Just realised I forgot to update after USO! :shocked:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd287/Granny_Linda/Rankings/13Rankings230913.jpg
Sallydaisy
12-09-2016, 09:53
ATP RANKINGS 12th Sept
Ranking
Player
Age
Points
1
Novak Djokovic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/novak-djokovic/d643/overview)
29
14,040 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/novak-djokovic/d643/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
2
Andy Murray (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/overview)
29
9,485 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
3
Stan Wawrinka (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/stan-wawrinka/w367/overview)
31
6,260 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/stan-wawrinka/w367/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
4
Rafael Nadal (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/rafael-nadal/n409/overview)
30
4,940 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/rafael-nadal/n409/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
5
Kei Nishikori (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/kei-nishikori/n552/overview)
26
4,875 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/kei-nishikori/n552/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
6
Milos Raonic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/milos-raonic/r975/overview)
25
4,760 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/milos-raonic/r975/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
7
Roger Federer (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/overview)
35
3,745 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
8
Gael Monfils (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/gael-monfils/mc65/overview)
30
3,545 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/gael-monfils/mc65/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
9
Tomas Berdych (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/tomas-berdych/ba47/overview)
30
3,390 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/tomas-berdych/ba47/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
10
Dominic Thiem (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/dominic-thiem/tb69/overview)
23
3,295 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/dominic-thiem/tb69/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
Sallydaisy
12-09-2016, 09:55
11-20
11
Marin Cilic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/marin-cilic/c977/overview)
27
2,885 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/marin-cilic/c977/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
12
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/jo-wilfried-tsonga/t786/overview)
31
2,875 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/jo-wilfried-tsonga/t786/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
13
David Ferrer (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/david-ferrer/f401/overview)
34
2,660 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/david-ferrer/f401/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
14
David Goffin (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/david-goffin/gb88/overview)
25
2,485 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/david-goffin/gb88/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
15
Nick Kyrgios (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/nick-kyrgios/ke17/overview)
21
2,140 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/nick-kyrgios/ke17/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
16
Roberto Bautista Agut (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roberto-bautista-agut/bd06/overview)
28
1,950 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roberto-bautista-agut/bd06/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
17
Richard Gasquet (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/richard-gasquet/g628/overview)
30
1,880 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/richard-gasquet/g628/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
18
Lucas Pouille (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/lucas-pouille/pf39/overview)
22
1,831 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/lucas-pouille/pf39/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
19
Pablo Cuevas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/pablo-cuevas/c882/overview)
30
1,745 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/pablo-cuevas/c882/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
20
Ivo Karlovic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/ivo-karlovic/k336/overview)
37
1,705 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/ivo-karlovic/k336/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
Sallydaisy
12-09-2016, 09:56
21-30
21
Bernard Tomic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/bernard-tomic/ta46/overview)
23
1,700 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/bernard-tomic/ta46/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
22
Grigor Dimitrov (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/grigor-dimitrov/d875/overview)
25
1,690 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/grigor-dimitrov/d875/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
23
Steve Johnson (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/steve-johnson/j386/overview)
26
1,670 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/steve-johnson/j386/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
24
Jack Sock (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/jack-sock/sm25/overview)
23
1,585 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/jack-sock/sm25/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
25
John Isner (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/john-isner/i186/overview)
31
1,555 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/john-isner/i186/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
26
Feliciano Lopez (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/feliciano-lopez/l397/overview)
34
1,525 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/feliciano-lopez/l397/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
27
Alexander Zverev (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/alexander-zverev/z355/overview)
19
1,425 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/alexander-zverev/z355/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
28
Gilles Simon (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/gilles-simon/sd32/overview)
31
1,420 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/gilles-simon/sd32/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
29
Sam Querrey (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/sam-querrey/q927/overview)
28
1,400 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/sam-querrey/q927/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
30
Philipp Kohlschreiber (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/philipp-kohlschreiber/k435/overview)
32
1,395 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/philipp-kohlschreiber/k435/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
Well done to Ivo Karlovic for being in the top twenty at 37!
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