View Full Version : INDIAN WELLS 2012, ROUND 2: Andy goes out to Garcia-Lopez. 4'6, 2'6. Match Report in 1st post.
Come on Andy
Nothing to do with this match but has anyone noticed that the picture of Andy at the top of the forum he's playing left handed!
Come on Andy
Nothing to do with this match but has anyone noticed that the picture of Andy at the top of the forum he's playing left handed!Might be a better idea.
KnightOwl
11-03-2012, 06:17
He doesn't believe
No - and he's running out of time...!
Might be a better idea.
:rolling:
wow , this is so hard to watch
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 06:19
Come on Muzzah - FIGHT...!!!!!
:swingin::swingin::swingin:
Come on Andy
Nothing to do with this match but has anyone noticed that the picture of Andy at the top of the forum he's playing left handed!
That was mentioned on another thread a few weeks ago. And since it was pointed out, that pic's been really bugging me!
KnightOwl
11-03-2012, 06:19
Oh dear, oh dear. This is not good.
Can't bear this. Wish I hadn't woken up. Andy's drooping shoulders say it all.:shrug:
There's the double break. This one is over. :(
Aussiemum
11-03-2012, 06:19
Andy Serving terrible first serve 49%
0-15
15-15 ACE
15-30
30-30
30-40 break point what is the matter with Andy today!!!
5-2
big ask now
gotta at east test his bottle
cmonnnnnnnn
david1610
11-03-2012, 06:20
Oh well.....
Let's break him at least once, please!
C'mon Andy!
Oh dear. :sad:
GGL is having one of his really good days - like the day he beat Rafa. And unfortunately it's coinciding with one of Andy's not-so-good days :sad:
:sofa: come on Andy please
Curtains :crying: GL has played consistently well - all over the court and few UEs. Andy hasn't been able to do much right. It's not that he's been outplayed, it's another one of those playing 2 people affairs. Hope Lendl's tweaks aren't having an adverse effect like Todd Martin on Nole's serve!
That was mentioned on another thread a few weeks ago. And since it was pointed out, that pic's been really bugging me!
It will me as well I think.
Right. now go for it Andy - you CAN do it ............... I hope
JAMES4578
11-03-2012, 06:21
Oh well certainly looking like a bad day at the office now and GL has been inspired.
patmoren
11-03-2012, 06:21
Don't think Andy can come back tonight.
I'm a huge fan of Andy,today he has played terrible for the 4th ranked tennis player.GGL has got a bit hot but Andy way better than this.
KnightOwl
11-03-2012, 06:23
And a whole bunch of MPs for GGL - oh dear!
3 MPs.
Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 06:23
He's just not bothering any more ........
:sad:
Just not his best match
Well, he can go back to Miami and get some time with Lendl now - trying to put a small positive slant on this match
And a whole bunch of MPs for GGL - oh dear!
Oh dear indeed
and he will go out in a wimper next round no doubt
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 06:24
GGL takes the match 6'4, 6'2.
:crying:
That was rubbish from Andy - no mistake.
KnightOwl
11-03-2012, 06:24
Not good. Not good at all. Oh dear.
Aussiemum
11-03-2012, 06:25
GL Serving for the match :(
15-0
30-0
40-0 3 Match points.
GL wins 6-4, 6-2
Texting DD to bring home chocolate for the PMD ( Post Match depression).:(
patmoren
11-03-2012, 06:25
That''s it Indian Wells done and dusted. Back to the drawing board for Miami.
JAMES4578
11-03-2012, 06:26
So disappointing as hoping Andy would at least make a decent run this time but not to be! Hopefully Andy will find his true form again in Miami!
KnightOwl
11-03-2012, 06:26
Heading back to bed for a bit - kind of wishing I hadn't had that coffee now :sad:
Well that's spoilt my Suday nicely! Why was he playing so poorly? So sad.
Congrats to Lopez,Andy played with no heart today.
1st bad lose of the year Andy, i forgive you
Aussiemum
11-03-2012, 06:26
Seemed like there was no fight in Andy today. Wonder what was going on.
Hope this doesn't dent the good relationship he's built up with Lendl so far. All that talk about playing well on the practice court but what happened when it mattered? A really bad day at the office........he was all over the place. More a give away than a win for GL. He can't afford to do this if he wants to win a slam and be #1 - he has to grind these matches out like Nole and Rafa do. *Sigh* - does anyone else think that these 1st round byes are a 2 edged sword?
david1610
11-03-2012, 06:27
First thing to say is congratulations to Garcia-Lopez. He played very well.
Andy's "all or nothing" pattern continues. We can never, never say we expect an easy first match in a tourney. Andy has difficulty with a first match. Period.
I also hope Andy learns not to talk so much to the press about being consistent before a tourney.... it just raises the pressure to be consistent!
Oh well. Get on a plane to Ivan and use the time to get more practice in. Let's just hope the real problem is transitioning from one style of playing to another one through Ivan's input and we accept that and weather the storm. Saving, saving grace is he had (and will have!) no points to defend.
Heading back to bed for a bit - kind of wishing I hadn't had that coffee now :sad:
I agree...I'm wide awake now! And not a happy bunny.
Debate - get up, work out, revise after that disaster of a law mock or draft my features and do the rest of my portfolio.
Or back to sleep and hope this was a dream and I wake up to a win after all .... Discuss in 15 words or less.
And just a musing - I have Sky Everything so where the hell was this match on my uber expensive service???
Tie-break
11-03-2012, 06:28
It's as if whoever draws Andy first round here is inspired to play out of their skin, feeling he'll take some time to settle. GGL took the play right away from him. His first round opponent in Miami will have the same game plan, for sure.
Erm - he can't leave yet - there's the small matter of the doubles! Or did I blink an miss it?
Heading back to bed for a bit - kind of wishing I hadn't had that coffee now :sad:
This is why I refused to leave my bed ... Because I would have been magnetically drawn to the kettle!!
Very disappointing performance from Andy in a tournament where he had so much to gain. All the improvements in his game were nowhere to be seen tonight - his forehand was back to being loopy and so many UEs on his BH.
Erm - he can't leave yet - there's the small matter of the doubles! Or did I blink an miss it?
Forgot that and they're up against Flemchins too - what a shame
Well ..........that was not good from our boy...so many UE'S......what more can anyone say!:sad:
Well ..........that was not good from our boy...so many UE'S......what more can anyone say!:sad:
How about **********************************************?
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 06:33
That''s it Indian Wells done and dusted. Back to the drawing board for Miami.
Erm - he can't leave yet - there's the small matter of the doubles! Or did I blink an miss it?
You're right Pabbers; Andy and Jamie still have to play a R1 doubles against Colin/Ross.
I really wish they'd got that out of the way first - I think it would have helped Andy to get a match under his belt ahead of his R2 singles.
Hum ho.
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 06:33
How about **********************************************?
I wonder what swear word is that long???
:laugh:
:crying: It's almost like he's caught in two minds;unsure between playing loads of unforced errors; and back to not stepping up into the court, rather waiting for the opponent's errors.
But unfortunately when he plays like this, here's a blueprint on how to beat him for all to copy.
And i agree about the disadvantages of having a 'bye'
I suppose he can't just go on to Miami because of the doubles... :crying:
I wonder what swear word is that long???
:laugh:
Well it's not supercallifragiwhatsit!
What a very cruel doubles draw. But......if the Murrays lose at least we'll still be able to cheer our Brit boys!
How about **********************************************?
:rolling::rolling:I was trying to be polite, but yeah!.........your right!;)
david1610
11-03-2012, 06:37
A certain Davis Cup captain is perhaps the only one to find immediate solace in that result.... more chances of Andy playing DC presumably...
A certain Davis Cup captain is perhaps the only one to find immediate solace in that result.... more chances of Andy playing DC presumably...
Hmmm. I'm not sure david. I was thinking such a result as this may put even more emphasis on getting prepared for the next Slam and Andy's clay-court game. And i really feel there is so little time between DC and the clay.
Impossible to sleep now. Had been so looking forward to cheering Andy on throughout the tournie, and that he'd gain some ranking points after last year's disappointment.
One thing for certain is that the media is going to have a field day for sure.
Andy's line about 'not knowing why he plays like this during this stretch' is an odd one for me.
Its blatantly obvious why this is happening.
It takes him longer to adjust to surface changes and playing no warm ups to masters events on a similar surface and in similar conditions is a waste of time. Dubai is not the west coast of America.
He now has one match of experience to take him into Miami, if he gets a tricky draw its going to be seriously hard all over again.
Hmmm. I'm not sure david. I was thinking such a result as this may put even more emphasis on getting prepared for the next Slam and Andy's clay-court game. And i really feel there is so little time between DC and the clay.
I am inclined to agree...
Andy's line about 'not knowing why he plays like this during this stretch' is an odd one for me.
Its blatantly obvious why this is happening.
It takes him longer to adjust to surface changes and playing no warm ups to masters events on a similar surface and in similar conditions is a waste of time. Dubai is not the west coast of America.
He now has one match of experience to take him into Miami, if he gets a tricky draw its going to be seriously hard all over again.
I agree totally Sam. Knowing how long it takes Andy to get over jetlag and adjust to weather and playing conditions, I just couldn't see the sense in him playing Dubai.
Sallydaisy
11-03-2012, 07:46
MATCH REPORT
This was a miserable performance from Andy - there's really no other way to describe it.
Garcia-Lopez produced a classy game of tennis and outplayed Murray for most of the match. Worryingly, there seemed nothing Andy could do to turn things round; no plan B, no comeback and, for the 2nd year running, no win in Indian Wells.
Following on from last year, where he went out in R2 to Donald Young, we all hoped Andy could lay that particular ghost to rest. However, Murray didn't seem comfortable from the off whereas GGL pulled out all the stops and produced a consistent, attacking game throughout.
Andy began brightly with a couple of good holds but after being broken by GGL, in game 9, he couldn't break back and the first set went to GGL 6'4.
The rest of the match was a struggle for Muzzah who failed to capitalise on ALL 7 of his break point chances. His serve percentage was down to 48% and his unforced error count way too high. His repertoire of normally solid shot-making and baseline play deserted him and the body language and yelps of anguish told their own story of missed chances.
After dropping serve in the opening game of the 2nd set it seemed as though the match might be all over. However, Andy rallied to hold for 1-2 and worked hard to get 3 BP's against the serve in the next game. GGL held steady and defended them all for 3-1. Andy followed up with a better hold and again tried to break but the Spaniard just played consistently well to fend off any further break point chances. Another break of the Murray serve in the next game left GGL serving for the match at 5-2 and he took the opportunity with no resistance from the British player.
Andy won't underestimate GGL who is currently ranked #92 but this time last year had a CH of #23.
GGL doesn't have a great deal in his game that can trouble an in form Muzzah. The only real advantage he might have when they first step on court is that he's already played a match and might be more used to the conditions
These quotes taken from the opening post of the thread ...
Andy wasn't 'in-form' and GGL played like the #23 player he was a year ago.
Perhaps GGL did have the 'advantage' of already playing a R1 match?
Were the night-time conditions and slower court something Andy wasn't ready for?
Did the the trip to Dubai, with it's fast court and the time zone changes, ultimately have a negative effect on his prep for the 2 American Masters?
Or was this just one of those inexplicable 'bad days at the office'.....
Quite a lot for Andy to sort out following this match and ahead of the Miami Masters.
I'm beginning to think that you folks are right in saying a bye in the first round is not good for Andy - it's a pity he didn't play a doubles match before this one. The real down side of this is that anyone who is drawn to play Andy in his first match of a tournament now will think he's there for the taking. I'm sorry for Jamie but I actually hope that Ross and Colin win so that Andy can go on down to Florida and spend time with Lendl.
Yes, I agree with you Alis. I think I'd also throw in the role of nerves and the fear of being knocked out in these v. early rounds. It's a vicious circle - the more he fears it, the more it can happen.
HoopGirl
11-03-2012, 08:43
Have just woken up to this news - absolutely shocked!
Andy sounded so confident in his interview with Neil Harman.
Every time we start to feel it is coming together for Andy something like this happens!
hfwardhouse
11-03-2012, 08:50
Oh no. This wasn't the news I wanted to wake up to. Hope Andy can turn things around for Miami. Shame they're in the dubs cos he could just have gone there right away. Onwards and upwards.
Aussie Andy
11-03-2012, 08:53
I am very disappointed about this result.
Pros:
He does not lose any points.
Cons:
He does not gain any points.
He receives a blow to his confidence.
He disappoints his fans.
All in all, not good.
patmoren
11-03-2012, 08:55
You're right Pabbers; Andy and Jamie still have to play a R1 doubles against Colin/Ross.
I really wish they'd got that out of the way first - I think it would have helped Andy to get a match under his belt ahead of his R2 singles.
Hum ho.
Doubt if he is going anywhere with that, he will be playing today and things aren't likely to improve that quickly.
Maza1987
11-03-2012, 09:00
Ah, here is his post Aussie slump then.
He merely delayed it for one tournament.
Doubt if he is going anywhere with that, he will be playing today and things aren't likely to improve that quickly.
Probably just as well so he can get off to Miami.
I think its harsh to say its a slump.
His game is obviously in a period of minor transition, and you don't beat Djokovic and then go on a slump because of exploits from nearly two months prior to that. I'm sure you didn't mean those comments quite so literally Maza.
Lopez obviously played a blinder, his current ranking is clearly irrelevant. I blame his preparation and nothing else for the failure today, I don't care how well your forehand is in practice, like any sport, you only know how well your actually playing until you get into a match situation.
sophie900607
11-03-2012, 09:03
OMG poor Andy, he must be feeling awfully... So sorry for him...
What disappointing news to wake up to - feel so sad for you Andy:crying:
Good luck in the doubles:thumbup::)
Just got up, can't believe we are in this position again??
"Bye's" can take a running jump!
Andy!!!!! you had so much to gain!!!!!!!!!
I think its harsh to say its a slump.
His game is obviously in a period of minor transition, and you don't beat Djokovic and then go on a slump because of exploits from nearly two months prior to that. I'm sure you didn't mean those comments quite so literally Maza.
Lopez obviously played a blinder, his current ranking is clearly irrelevant. I blame his preparation and nothing else for the failure today, I don't care how well your forehand is in practice, like any sport, you only know how well your actually playing until you get into a match situation.
Lopez didn't play a blinder but was consistent. Andy simply couldn't get his act together today. He was haemorraging UEs. So it was the not quite sublime playing the almost ridiculous. It can most definitely be chalked up to a very bad day at the office rather than an opponent having worked out the strategy to beat an on form Andy. Still hurts I know.
Not good news to wake up to. :sad: Really hope this is just a one off. We certainly don't want a repeat of last year.
banskogirl
11-03-2012, 11:16
Really disappointed for Andy! Have read through the posts and not really sure what happened :( lets just hope for better things next match, even a loss but with more of an effort put in! Depressing stuff to waken up to but worse for all of you who lost sleep to :grouphug:
david1610
11-03-2012, 11:57
I think this match strengthened the case for Andy staying in the US next year and missing Dubai. He can get the points back in Memphis and play other tourneys should he wish. He will avoid the jet lag and the serious court readjustment necessary after Dubai. He does not need to go and face the top players in Dubai - he sees them enough elsewhere - or get the appearance fee - more important to be with Ivan on similar courts.
There is one important aspect to consider which is that we have to be prepared for Andy to have a few bad losses if he is transitioning his game to introduce changes in it due to the Ivan partnership. I felt today Andy was aggressive for the first four or so games, but then it drifted away. He might have been caught between a plan B of going into old mode versus finding it hard to avoid the UEs in the new mode.
If so, then we have to be ready for that.
And yes, as I have mentioned in several posts, the first match of a tourney for Andy seems to be that bit more difficult than for the other top guys. But it is not a slump. If you had offered me Andy beating Nole and a first round exit here versus two reasonable SF defeats to Nole in Dubai and here, I would have taken the former. That W over Nole in the long term scheme of things is MORE important than the 1R defeat here. Andy and Ivan may just need to concentrate more on getting through these first round matches.
So no need for too much anguishing - the W over Nole is more indicative of Andy's year than the L last night!
be interesting see how the ferret gets on, he played in america while most of the other top players where ahem slumming it in Dubai
banskogirl
11-03-2012, 12:11
Is there a link somewhere to the post match interview?
Madeline
11-03-2012, 12:24
I think this match strengthened the case for Andy staying in the US next year and missing Dubai. He can get the points back in Memphis and play other tourneys should he wish. He will avoid the jet lag and the serious court readjustment necessary after Dubai. He does not need to go and face the top players in Dubai - he sees them enough elsewhere - or get the appearance fee - more important to be with Ivan on similar courts.
There is one important aspect to consider which is that we have to be prepared for Andy to have a few bad losses if he is transitioning his game to introduce changes in it due to the Ivan partnership. I felt today Andy was aggressive for the first four or so games, but then it drifted away. He might have been caught between a plan B of going into old mode versus finding it hard to avoid the UEs in the new mode.
If so, then we have to be ready for that.
And yes, as I have mentioned in several posts, the first match of a tourney for Andy seems to be that bit more difficult than for the other top guys. But it is not a slump. If you had offered me Andy beating Nole and a first round exit here versus two reasonable SF defeats to Nole in Dubai and here, I would have taken the former. That W over Nole in the long term scheme of things is MORE important than the 1R defeat here. Andy and Ivan may just need to concentrate more on getting through these first round matches.
So no need for too much anguishing - the W over Nole is more indicative of Andy's year than the L last night!
Thanks for that David. I was really depressed about this, I feel a bit better now.
Speedy Hawk
11-03-2012, 12:35
Surprise see Andy lose in results on BBC website. Hopefully he winning again next tournament.
banskogirl
11-03-2012, 12:44
The Guardian is saying GGL played one of the best matches of his career. Do those who watched the match agree?
Yes, you have to give credit to GGL. He was focused and determined throughout, and showed a lot of guts in saving all those break points. He also played well in the rallies and hit some good winners. Of course if Andy had been on form he could have dealt with it, but GGL seemed more like WR16 or so than WR92.
david1610
11-03-2012, 12:52
The Guardian is saying GGL played one of the best matches of his career. Do those who watched the match agree?
I watched the match and feel he played well. His backhand was blistering at times. He consistently hit risky shots time after time in a rally.
Most importantly, though, he varied his game - he started drop shotting Andy, changing direction in rallies - he was not a one trick pony.
Less good perhaps was letting Andy get to 0-40 twice and 0-30 on his serve. Particularly the first 0-40 which would have given Andy a break in the first and possibly a different outcome. He got back to deuce without giving Andy a chance. I think the stats will show that he hit good first serves on nearly all BPs and Andy hardly ever hit a first serve on a BP. He won nearly all the points between 4-4 in the first and 0-2, then 0-3 in the second, which did the damage, and hung on for the rest of the second. A repeated comment by the TennisTV commentators was to the effect he seemed the higher ranked player, and was at least playing to his former top 25 ranking.
The overall feeling then was "crumbs, he is not dropping his level to let Andy back in" and he was playing intelligently.
So overall I think this was a W by GGL as much as an L by Andy.
banskogirl
11-03-2012, 13:06
Yes, you have to give credit to GGL. He was focused and determined throughout, and showed a lot of guts in saving all those break points. He also played well in the rallies and hit some good winners. Of course if Andy had been on form he could have dealt with it, but GGL seemed more like WR16 or so than WR92.
I watched the match and feel he played well. His backhand was blistering at times. He consistently hit risky shots time after time in a rally.
Most importantly, though, he varied his game - he started drop shotting Andy, changing direction in rallies - he was not a one trick pony.
Less good perhaps was letting Andy get to 0-40 twice and 0-30 on his serve. Particularly the first 0-40 which would have given Andy a break in the first and possibly a different outcome. He got back to deuce without giving Andy a chance. I think the stats will show that he hit good first serves on nearly all BPs and Andy hardly ever hit a first serve on a BP. He won nearly all the points between 4-4 in the first and 0-2, then 0-3 in the second, which did the damage, and hung on for the rest of the second. A repeated comment by the TennisTV commentators was to the effect he seemed the higher ranked player, and was at least playing to his former top 25 ranking.
The overall feeling then was "crumbs, he is not dropping his level to let Andy back in" and he was playing intelligently.
So overall I think this was a W by GGL as much as an L by Andy.
Thanks Linda and David.....that makes it sound a whole lot better!
I think this match strengthened the case for Andy staying in the US next year and missing Dubai. He can get the points back in Memphis and play other tourneys should he wish. He will avoid the jet lag and the serious court readjustment necessary after Dubai. He does not need to go and face the top players in Dubai - he sees them enough elsewhere - or get the appearance fee - more important to be with Ivan on similar courts.
There is one important aspect to consider which is that we have to be prepared for Andy to have a few bad losses if he is transitioning his game to introduce changes in it due to the Ivan partnership. I felt today Andy was aggressive for the first four or so games, but then it drifted away. He might have been caught between a plan B of going into old mode versus finding it hard to avoid the UEs in the new mode.
If so, then we have to be ready for that.
And yes, as I have mentioned in several posts, the first match of a tourney for Andy seems to be that bit more difficult than for the other top guys. But it is not a slump. If you had offered me Andy beating Nole and a first round exit here versus two reasonable SF defeats to Nole in Dubai and here, I would have taken the former. That W over Nole in the long term scheme of things is MORE important than the 1R defeat here. Andy and Ivan may just need to concentrate more on getting through these first round matches.
So no need for too much anguishing - the W over Nole is more indicative of Andy's year than the L last night!
Very well said David - coudn't agree more.
I watched it too and credit to GL but really Andy didn't put up the opposition we know he can. His return of serve wasn't great, he couldn't keep his backhand or forehand in court and I felt he lost confidence in his shots so that his aggression dissipated. GL looked like a higher ranked player because he was playing someone who was allowing him to........for whatever reason. But I take comfort from the fact that IMHO GL in no way played Andy off the court - yes he was consistent and hung in there when he needed to but Andy gave him loads of free points that on most days he wouldn't have. And I'm not a never say a word against Andy person, so I'm not trying to make it sound better or take anything away from GL. In fact Andy played appallingly so far as I'm concerned and so GL just needed to turn up really, which to his credit he did and took the opportunity that was there on a plate - something that not all players can do. Often they end up like rabbits in headlights not believing they can be winning!
JAMES4578
11-03-2012, 13:36
I watched the match and feel he played well. His backhand was blistering at times. He consistently hit risky shots time after time in a rally.
Most importantly, though, he varied his game - he started drop shotting Andy, changing direction in rallies - he was not a one trick pony.
Less good perhaps was letting Andy get to 0-40 twice and 0-30 on his serve. Particularly the first 0-40 which would have given Andy a break in the first and possibly a different outcome. He got back to deuce without giving Andy a chance. I think the stats will show that he hit good first serves on nearly all BPs and Andy hardly ever hit a first serve on a BP. He won nearly all the points between 4-4 in the first and 0-2, then 0-3 in the second, which did the damage, and hung on for the rest of the second. A repeated comment by the TennisTV commentators was to the effect he seemed the higher ranked player, and was at least playing to his former top 25 ranking. The overall feeling then was "crumbs, he is not dropping his level to let Andy back in" and he was playing intelligently.
So overall I think this was a W by GGL as much as an L by Andy.
Many good points David!
Yes I certainly watched it but perhaps am in a more reflective mood now! Garcia Lopez had one of his best days and just seemed to have more weapons, though obviously Andy wasn't even on his B game to put in bluntly. As others have said he just seemed uncertain with the tactics and as he started to misfire just lost confidence and couldn't seem to find a way out of the rut. So disappointing that he couldn't put up moRe of a challenge. However, when your game is in a bit of a transition, everything won't click into place at once. I am confident Andy can get back on track and he is not in quite same predicament as in previous years.
Must say I thought it was beneficial playing in Dubai but the combination of the jetlag and a change of surface obviously could have been a factor here and Andy will maybe consider his plans in future years. So whilst I'm still a bit down I'm sure there is room for optimism.
jeannie13
11-03-2012, 14:11
Thank you David & James for your comments that Andy is in a transition stage at present. I agree with a lot you both say. I think that he may get some inconsistent results; with some terrific wins & some unexpected losses. It's early days & I think that things will come together & will make him better in the long term. He'll be working a lot with Ivan over the next few weeks & I'm sure we will see a big difference by the French Open.I think he could do very well there. Keep the faith!!!!
Thank you David & James for your comments that Andy is in a transition stage at present. I agree with a lot you both say. I think that he may get some inconsistent results; with some terrific wins & some unexpected losses. It's early days & I think that things will come together & will make him better in the long term. He'll be working a lot with Ivan over the next few weeks & I'm sure we will see a big difference by the French Open.I think he could do very well there. Keep the faith!!!!
Totally agree, just wait for Miami and then the clay season and once all areas click into place we will see Andy winning, and the French Open Title is certainly not out of the question. I believe that this was the first Slam Lendl won!
oh Andy this was not in the script :sad:
What a rubbish start to the day - have to confess to being fairly confident about this match, so when I put the tv on to check the score, I really couldn't believe it.
Off to read the thread now.
supergran
11-03-2012, 14:34
Thanks for posts re match. I didn't see it and when I woke up and checked my phone could not believe my eyes. But, Andy will definitely improve and get better results. We all know this as we have been here before. I am so disappointed and sorry for him as he had made such a positive recovery this year after the Oz Open. Still I am confident that better things are on the horizon and Andy will do well in the Majors. Proud to be a Murray supporter. Go Andy!!!:cheer::cheer:
Did not get up to see the match, woke up, put TV on to check result, shock horror to learn that Andy lost in 2 sets , score was unbelievable. After reading all the comments here and Sally's remark that Andy played miserably, did not play his A game well he deserved to lose. Bizarre!!! Well roll on Miami now and hope it's not another Deja Vue.
Seemed like there was no fight in Andy today. Wonder what was going on.
I did not see the match myself but one doesn't see the top 3 players losing in 1st round very often or ever as Andy seems to do, I suppose this is why he's stuck at #4 and very rarely beats the top 3 players. We all saw that Novak played poorly in Dubai and this is how Andy was able to beat him, had Nole been on his game, no way he would have lost. As Andy's fans we have to accept this as I'm sure he does the best he can.
I did not see the match myself but one doesn't see the top 3 players losing in 1st round very often or ever as Andy seems to do, I suppose this is why he's stuck at #4 and very rarely beats the top 3 players. We all saw that Novak played poorly in Dubai and this is how Andy was able to beat him, had Nole been on his game, no way he would have lost. As Andy's fans we have to accept this as I'm sure he does the best he can.
V NOLE 5 7 41%
V RAFA5 13 27%
V FED 8 7 53%
even 27% could hardly be described as rare IMO
V NOLE 5 7 41%
V RAFA5 13 27%
V FED 8 7 53%
even 27% could hardly be described as rare IMO
Yes well said - plus he can only get an opportunity to beat them if he comes up against them.
DaveArneRiise
11-03-2012, 17:05
Didn't see this coming but I've said it before since the tournie started that the courts at Indy must be incredibly slow for a hard court, because usually excellent servers have been struggling on serve, not putting up the numbers they usually do. Also Murray is a much better player on fast hard courts like at the US Open.
Yes well said - plus he can only get an opportunity to beat them if he comes up against them.
Sorry to contradict you Pabbers but he came up against Roger last Saturday.
Sorry to contradict you Pabbers but he came up against Roger last Saturday.
.......... and he still has a leading H2H against Roger!
.......... and he still has a leading H2H against Roger!not when it counts will be next:rolleyes:
DaveArneRiise
11-03-2012, 17:53
not when it counts will be next:rolleyes:
not when it counts :mad:
I think it did count when it was in the final of a Masters!
I'm happy to put my trust in the Indian psychic who predicted Andy would have a good year 'after May' in 2011 and has predicted he will have a great year this year - particularly the second half. O.K. - I don't really believe in psychics but sometimes any port in a storm is good!
DaveArneRiise
11-03-2012, 18:09
Yea I was kidding lol
JAMES4578
11-03-2012, 18:19
Well if we're going there Andy had beaten Fed twice in a Masters final and has got the better of Rafa twice in slams! Of course unfortunately he didn't beat Nole in Australia but I don't think he was exactly blown away! It's understandable to be a bit deflated after an early exit but I think we must look at the bigger picture. Of course Andy needs to improve further but he will be striving to do that over the coming months.
traveller7
11-03-2012, 19:54
What happened? Saw Neil Harmans twitters - glad I didnt wake up to watch that what a shame
Belatedly :( Tough loss! Really sad as was a bit of a shock
Am glad that Andy has Mr Lendl this time in Miami to hopefully figure out and sort out what happened here
Commiserations to Andy. :sad: I didn't see the match but thanks everyone for your comments. :thanks:
Andy will be very disappointed with his performance but the important part of his year is still to come.
ONWARDS AND UPWARDS Andy. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
I like these comments from Andy on the beeb website - glad he's got someone like Lendl to talk things through with:
"I'm still disappointed. I had a long think last night and this morning," he said.
"I spoke to Ivan today which was really helpful.
"He's someone who hasn't been in that situation that often but understands it very well. He had some good advice for me."
I watched the "highlights" yesterday afternoon (not many of those if you're a Murray fan ;). Didn't know the result and was gobsmacked :shocked:
just read through this thread and the more positive comments have really cheered me up I must say. :thanks: guys
We should be positive. So far this year he has won a tournament, reached the semi of a slam, again, and played a fantastic match and has posted a win over Djokovich. He lost a match and no doubt will lose others over the year but there is certainly need to go into free fall
supergran
12-03-2012, 14:37
I watched the "highlights" yesterday afternoon (not many of those if you're a Murray fan ;). Didn't know the result and was gobsmacked :shocked:
just read through this thread and the more positive comments have really cheered me up I must say. :thanks: guys I recorded the highlights as there was a clash with the rugby. I did know the result but still watched in amazement.:confused::shocked: Forget that match now. Just look forward with confidence and hope.:thumbup::thumbup:
I think maybe my comments sound negative because I said how badly he'd played. But to me that's a positive. I'd be much more worried if GL had given him a drubbing while he was playing anything like his best. This was a blip I'm sure.
I agree Pabbers - definitely better to be beaten when not playing his best. If he, and we, had felt that he had played well and was beaten we would all have much more to worry about. As Boris Becker famously once said, 'he lost a tennis match - nobody died'! It's not that long ago since many people were writing Djokovic off - there is always the next tournament to look forward to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2fbKbPgFV8
A 15 minutes summery of the match
and the full match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erfbb_vSe3Y&feature=related
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