US OPEN 2012, SEMI-FINAL: Tartan Tornado trounces Tomas , 5'7, 6'2, 6'1, 7'6

[Sallydaisy]

Andy battled through a 4 set match against Marin Cilic to earn his place in the Semi-Final of the last Grand Slam of the year. Ciilic might have thought he was onto a winner when he was 6'3, 5'1 up and serving for the match; like so many others he underestimated our favourite Brit. Having lost the set to Andy in a tie-break 6'7(4) he won only 2 more games in the match.

As a result of his win Andy now faces Tomas Berdych, against whom Andy still has a negative H2H (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47) of 4-2. The Czech is clearly not good for the British brain!!!

HOWEVER!
2 of the wins for Berdych have come on clay. It's 2-2 H2H on hardcourt.
In terms of Grand Slams it's Berdych who has the upper hand with a R16 win at Roland Garros in 2010 - but that was on clay which is a surface preferred by the Czech player.

Soooooooooooo - this might represent a better chance for Andy to reach the Final.
But he'll need his A game.



Year
Tournament & City
Surface
Round
Winner & Score


2012
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Monte Carlo (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Monte-Carlo.aspx)
Monaco
Clay
Q
Berdych, Tomas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx)
6-7(4), 6-2, 6-3 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)


2012
Dubai (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Dubai.aspx)
U.A.E.
Hard
Q
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-3, 7-5 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)


2011
ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Paris (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Paris.aspx)
France
Hard
Q
Berdych, Tomas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx)
4-6, 7-6(5), 6-4 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)


2010
Roland Garros (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Roland-Garros.aspx)
France
Clay
R16
Berdych, Tomas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx)
6-4, 7-5, 6-3 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)


2006
Adelaide (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Brisbane.aspx)
Australia
Hard
R16
Berdych, Tomas (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Tomas-Berdych.aspx)
7-6(2), 4-6, 6-1 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)


2005
Basel (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Basel.aspx)
Switzerland
Carpet
R16
Murray, Andy (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Andy-Murray.aspx)
6-4, 2-6, 6-4 Stats (http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=MC10&oId=BA47#)

[SamP]

At first hearing Federer lost, i'm sure we all went :cheer:

Then looking at the H2H, we all probably started to feel quite cautiously optimistic about it all.

But when you look closer as mentioned, yes he's beaten him 3 times over the last few years, but 2 on clay and one indoors on a hardcourt, which massively favours the power players and it doesn't seem too disastrous.

On form he's a fine player. However, from what i've seen of him, he's had a shocking year by his standards, and like at wimbledon when he beat Roger, he didn't REALLY show up for the rest of that tournament. Here's hoping he's peaked in the Quarters and Andy puts on another good show under the lights.

P.S. It will be under the lights on Ashe, right?

[scrapaddict]

Watching fed's presser he looks a bit like Andy- fiddling with his cap, rubbing his face and def. quite shocked to lose.

Quite worried abut Berdy - coming to peak at the right time for him, wong time for Andy.

Going away on Fri so may miss the SF and F but I'll try not to

[lynne]

Fed out of the US Open = happy:thumbup:

Andy facing Berdych = nervous:nailbiter:


Looks like I will join Sally & SG and get in some :wino:

[Jennan]

Going to miss the rest of the tournament, away for short break, maybe just as well don't think my nerves can take much more of Andy's rollercoasters. Hoping I come back to great news.

[Golden Lady]

My first reaction was YUCK!!!! I would have preferred Fed for sure but it's time for Andy to show why he's ranked above Berdy and why he is much more consistent. I remember Berdy beating Fed in the semis at Wimbly 2010 and then being destroyed by Rafa in the final, well he's had his big scalp in this tourney, there will be no more!!!

Andy Murray - I believe!

[cazza99]

I think I would rather Andy play a Fed not quite on form than a Berdy. At least he should be on Ash court which he likes. I just hope he plays the first semi, so he won't get moved if it rains.

[Reef]

Fed out of the US Open = happy:thumbup:

Andy facing Berdych = nervous:nailbiter:


My reaction too - but then I was nervous about Cilic though not about Lopez so what do I know??

[cazza99]

I think Andy will be much better prepared for the Berdych match than the Cilic match though. I should think the sudden change of court, and suddenly having to go on that court earlier than expected as Wawrinka withdrew, combined with the fact that Cilic would have had more confidence as he had beaten Andy on Armstrong before would have played a part in Andy's last match.

[hfwardhouse]

I must admit my heart sank when I heard that Berdych had beaten Fed ... I'd much rather Andy beat Fed to get to the final - well obviously I want him to beat Berdych but I've seen Berdman get inside Andy's head and if that happens on Saturday Andy will have a really big fight on his hands. Having said that, he had a really big fight on his hands last night and he came through so I'm not unduly worried .... :sofa: ;)

[JAMES4578]

Whilst Berdy has been a tricky matchup for Andy and he may be under a bit more pressure I still think it is easier than playing a top form Fed in the semis (even if he wasn't that against Thomas). Not looking too far ahead but of course this means he won't have to beat both Fed and Nole. Can't see Novak going out as well, though I suppose you never know! Of course it could be a tough semi and Andy really needs to be on form, Berdy may not necessarily have a let down.

[RFS]

Whilst Berdy has been a tricky matchup for Andy and he may be under a bit more pressure I still think it is easier than playing a top form Fed in the semis (even if he wasn't that against Thomas). Not looking too far ahead but of course this means he won't have to beat both Fed and Nole. Can't see Novak going out as well, though I suppose you never know! Of course it could be a tough semi and Andy really needs to be on form, Berdy may not necessarily have a let down.

Totally agree James - Andy really needs to be on top of him from the very start.
Hope it's later on as I have to try and miraculously get my speed in Satan's Scriptures (shorthand) up to at least 90 by the end of this week and will be working flat out on it all day, so I will really want to kick back with some booze and watch Andy after!

Any of the players left now are going to be formidable opponents... all Slam finalists and title winners... so it will be a high class match up whichever way you cut it!

[david1610]

We could do worse than seek wisdom in one of Paul Simon's songs :)

"The problem is all inside your head... The answer is easy if you take it logically
...Make a new plan ....Just get yourself free"

Excuse the quoting, but it really is all inside Andy's head. Well, unless Berdych plays tennis at a level that nobody, but nobody, could live with.Which can happen with a top ten player as we all know.

Although I just got home when the score was 1-4 in the second set, so saw Andy play a "6-2 6-2 6-0" match I later on saw the bratish behaviour. It is still there in the background, waiting around to surface. At that point the BBC live report stated "Coach Lendl looks singularly unimpressed, this is the sort of performance that could cause schisms in the camp..."

I am a fan of Andy despite that behaviour - though I could not be if my children took a more active interest in watching television as I could not justify to them the implicit support for that kind of behaviour being his fan implies - but before he turned it around I was for the first time wondering whether Andy would ever actually win a slam. Doubting for the first time. Because if that behaviour is still potentially there, it is too self-destructive. Do you remember the loss to Rafa in the wind in the Master's final a few years ago (Indian Wells or Miami, can't remember which) where Andy was visibly upset about the weather and Rafa just got on with it -last night was a variation on throwing the toys out of the pram because of being put (earlier) on Armstrong. It does not help.

The rules of tennis mean that nominally there is somebody on the other side of the net but except for encounters with the top three on their good days, or occasionally other players on special days - which could be the case with Berdych - Andy's opponent is himself. He has been erratic this grand slam in a way I simply was not expecting after the Olympics. He is in the semi final because he recovered, came to his senses - beat himself and in doing so beat the opponent. And then he plays the tennis where you can "see the thinking" behind each shot, and it is a joy to watch.

If Berdych plays his best, Andy will need HIS best. But this time there is no margin for a set or two of Andy fighting himself before he decides to fight the opponent. I really, really hope that this side does not make an appearance -it did not surface at the Olympics and look what happened - but it seems very close to the surface this tournament.

I so hope Andy plays his opponent and not himself in this match.

[supergran]

Were we watching the same match? Saw Andy display some frustration but thought he held it together well considering the score in the first two sets. Give him a break!

[pabbers]

My feeling is the semi final was always going to be Hobson's choice with Berdy or Fed. Andy will definitely need his A game because Berdy is confident and could power Andy off the court more consistently than Cilic last night. This is the worst outcome for me because he "should" beat Berdy whereas you couldn't say that about Fed. So if he loses/passes up this opportunity I'm going to be gutted.
I can see Delpo in the final btw...........
:facepalm:

As I said once before, Andy in this tournament needs guts, determination and desire to help him overcome any physical shortcomings. If he's on first he's going to be in the heat which he hasn't enjoyed. I feel he WILL be on first because the second quarter finals have yet to be played. So logically those who've had more recovery time will be on first.
I've got everything crossed.

[david1610]

Were we watching the same match? Saw Andy display some frustration but thought he held it together well considering the score in the first two sets. Give him a break!
I mentioned I saw the highlights and some very disagreeable behaviour. I also saw every other match. The point is that at times Andy has had his focused, concentrated attitude when playing where everything is targetted to playing the next point well. This has often not been the case this tournament and I sincerely believe at those times he is playing himself as well as his opponent.
Once again, Supergran, I enjoy watching when listening to Portuguese Eurosport commentators because they love tennis and have no axe to grind about Andy. They are not always as insightful as the "good" English commentators, but are neutral and call it like they see it. They were unbelievably frustrated with his match last night, with the level on tennis he has on the one hand and the oncourt presence on the other and repeatedly made the point of how far Andy was from the top three with that kind of attitude.

I can give him a break, but the problem is this causes him to give his opponent a break! :)

[supergran]

Good post pabbers...and I am dreading Berdych as,thinking like you, it's an opponent he should beat. Why is it never easy being an Andy fan?:lol::sofa::nailbiter:

[Reef]

Good post pabbers...and I am dreading Berdych as,thinking like you, it's an opponent he should beat. Why is it never easy being an Andy fan?:lol::sofa::nailbiter:

Because Andy is such a complex person, which inevitably reflects in the way he plays tennis and makes him so interesting. However, it's always tough for his fans, not to mention his team!

PS.I wasn't aware of the H2H with Berdych....

[rouges]

I can see Nole going out at the hands of Del P

[rouges]

Were we watching the same match? Saw Andy display some frustration but thought he held it together well considering the score in the first two sets. Give him a break!
Totally agree with you, some folks are never happy with Andy, always looking for the negatives, I've seen worse and would probably do worse in his situation , he is trying so hard and not getting anywhere in these first 1 1/2 set, one can see a tired bloke, being messed about with his schedule and court change at the last minute. Granted A Rod was a priority. Goodness me give the poor guy a break if one is a fan or claims to be like the previous complainer about his "behaviour"

[rouges]

At first hearing Federer lost, i'm sure we all went :cheer:

Then looking at the H2H, we all probably started to feel quite cautiously optimistic about it all.

But when you look closer as mentioned, yes he's beaten him 3 times over the last few years, but 2 on clay and one indoors on a hardcourt, which massively favours the power players and it doesn't seem too disastrous.

On form he's a fine player. However, from what i've seen of him, he's had a shocking year by his standards, and like at wimbledon when he beat Roger, he didn't REALLY show up for the rest of that tournament. Here's hoping he's peaked in the Quarters and Andy puts on another good show under the lights.

P.S. It will be under the lights on Ashe, right?
I saw that Roland Garos match, it poured rain all day and the court was saturated and so heavy, Andy could hardly move because of the way he played and was unable to slide, chunk of clay at the bottom of his shoes. It was dull and so dark, one could hardly see the ball. Even the Queen of clay, Henin lost to Stosur that day. So may be that loss should not be overestimated.

[LC the fan]

The key point to this is that Andy will not want Berdych to be another on the Slam winners list. And the only way he can make absolutely sure of that is to stop him getting to the final.

I believe Andy will listen to Llendl and give his all, and more, in this semi. Delpo hurt a couple of years back - he cannot let Tomas get into that final

[-J-]

andy has to win six more sets, the next 3 he needs just happens to be against berdych

[RoastLamb]

I can see Potty taking out Djoko too but if he wins this year's USO I won't be sad. I will be sad - and mad - if Berdych gets a GS before Andy. I just hope Lendl has a really good plan.

[rouges]

Wasn't that the best news that Andy has qualified for the O2 after his win against Cilic, Many congrats Andy. So proud of you another couple of wins should see you overtake poor Rafa. Rafa might be back in a month as his doctor does not think surgery will be required, only physio and laser treatment reqired.

[ljs]

great that hes qualified for the 02 . Hope on Saturday he ups his level accordingly , and takes out Birdie .

I was cheering Tomas to beat Fed last night , because I always want Fed out , lol , but I dont really respect Berdych , he acts like a baby at times.

Hope Andy rips a few of those Lendl shots at him :p

[Mickey]

I mentioned I saw the highlights and some very disagreeable behaviour. I also saw every other match. The point is that at times Andy has had his focused, concentrated attitude when playing where everything is targetted to playing the next point well. This has often not been the case this tournament and I sincerely believe at those times he is playing himself as well as his opponent.
Once again, Supergran, I enjoy watching when listening to Portuguese Eurosport commentators because they love tennis and have no axe to grind about Andy. They are not always as insightful as the "good" English commentators, but are neutral and call it like they see it. They were unbelievably frustrated with his match last night, with the level on tennis he has on the one hand and the oncourt presence on the other and repeatedly made the point of how far Andy was from the top three with that kind of attitude.

I can give him a break, but the problem is this causes him to give his opponent a break! :)Sorry but I don't agree with your assessment at all. He certainly wasn't brattish, only threw down his racket in disgust. If it had been anything else he would have got a warning, and his racket broken. He tried to fire himself up and got annoyed with how he was playing. He is a character who needs to do that. We are all different and need different mechanisms to deal with frustration. Immediately he got back work and focused on the task in hand, which his amazing fightback proved. If you listen to the ex tennis players they said he has a problem with the speed of Armstrong, he expected to play later and on AA. Took him awhile to get used to the conditions, and we must not forget that Cilic came out all guns blazing, and all his strokes were firing.He has no problem playing Cilic as he's beaten him 6 out of 7 times. The sigh of a greater player is winning even though the odds are stacked against you in this case a set down and down 5-1 in the second set. Andy has shown great mental strength as well as a wonderful fighting spirit. All of which will hold him in great stead for the next 2 matches.

[rondun]

I love the way Greg Rusedki can't say "Dani Vallverdu" - voovoo, veldi, verdu, you name it ... half a dozen times now and he hasn't been close once!

[Tie-break]

Yes, Mickey I would agree with you. I've only seen two of Andy's five matches this US Open, against Lopez and last night against Cilic. In both matches I've seen Andy progressively master two opponents playing way above anything I had seen them do before, both on Armstrong. I think the conditions played a big part in the game last night, the day cooling at the right time for Andy during that gruelling (for me!) second set, not to mention the arrival of the crowd. The great touches Andy brings to each match maybe need more adjustments than other players with less variety.

Last night I watched the livestream recommended by Madeleine (thanks!) - which was great except for the commentary which was not particularly insightful (all the lazy comments you normally get on Radio 5 Live, in American accents). However at one stage they remarked that both players were barking at their boxes and muttering to themselves. But I guess Cilic was muttering in Croatian or summat, so of course no-one takes any notice. That is where I think Andy gets picked on unfairly especially by English speaking commentators.

Best of luck for Saturday and Berdych, Andy. Seems miles away at the moment. But he has a great chance to make another Slam final. Andy and Lendl are going to come up with another great game plan!

[Linda]

I think I would have preferred Andy to be playing Fed to Berdy - he definitely has a better record against Fed. But you have to be prepared to play whoever happens to be on the opposite side of the net.


Hope it's later on as I have to try and miraculously get my speed in Satan's Scriptures (shorthand) up to at least 90 by the end of this week and will be working flat out on it all day

Kill two birds with one stone by writing down everything the commentators say :) (Do you practise with the News?)

[Helen40]

I'm glad SmugFed has been knocked out. I saw his presser and was miffed as referred to Andy as 'Murray' - it is so condescending. At least he was squirming as the press barraged him.
As for Andy's chances. I don't see why he can't do it especially over five sets. I think he has a better chance against Berdy that Fed, especially with Ivan in his corner. I would be gutted if Berdy got a GS before Andy though.

[david1610]

Nothing will give me greater pleasure than seeing Andy win another six sets of quality focused tennis. I only saw highlights up to 1-4 in the second so am prepared to admit I am wrong about the bratish behaviour.

But I have not seen the unruffled concentration that we saw Andy have at the Olympics or in some other slams. The first set against Lopez he was sarky and when he is chuntering away he is playing against himself rather than his opponent. The 12 thank you's on my original post I think show some empathy with my opinion, and, as I posted before, I listen to neutral commentators on Portuguese Eurosport, and they simply feel it is a great pity that somebody with Andy's ability does this as, to repeat, it is what they feel keeps Andy apart from joining the top 3.

If you think that is criticising him just to criticise him, then I must write more clearly because it is written with care and concern for Andy, not criticism for criticism's sake.

[scrapaddict]

Totally agree with you David

[Alis]

Nothing will give me greater pleasure than seeing Andy win another six sets of quality focused tennis. I only saw highlights up to 1-4 in the second so am prepared to admit I am wrong about the bratish behaviour.

But I have not seen the unruffled concentration that we saw Andy have at the Olympics or in some other slams. The first set against Lopez he was sarky and when he is chuntering away he is playing against himself rather than his opponent. The 12 thank you's on my original post I think show some empathy with my opinion, and, as I posted before, I listen to neutral commentators on Portuguese Eurosport, and they simply feel it is a great pity that somebody with Andy's ability does this as, to repeat, it is what they feel keeps Andy apart from joining the top 3.

If you think that is criticising him just to criticise him, then I must write more clearly because it is written with care and concern for Andy, not criticism for criticism's sake.

Whilst I agree that at the beginning of the Cilic match Andy was somewhat distracted, I don't know that he could have been any more focussed against either Dodig or Raonic or, for that matter, in the last two sets against Cilic.

[Caro]

We all know how Andy has been blown off court in the past. But things have changed, Lendl is making a big difference and Andy is working out these power guys - look at the way he played Raonic! No-one else has neutralised that serve so successfully.

Andy can do this guys!! I will be nervous tomorrow, of course I will, but I really believe he will be in that final.

[Alis]

I'm with you Caro - it will be an Andy/Djoko final. I just don't see Andy letting this chance pass him by.

[pabbers]

Nothing will give me greater pleasure than seeing Andy win another six sets of quality focused tennis. I only saw highlights up to 1-4 in the second so am prepared to admit I am wrong about the bratish behaviour.

But I have not seen the unruffled concentration that we saw Andy have at the Olympics or in some other slams. The first set against Lopez he was sarky and when he is chuntering away he is playing against himself rather than his opponent. The 12 thank you's on my original post I think show some empathy with my opinion, and, as I posted before, I listen to neutral commentators on Portuguese Eurosport, and they simply feel it is a great pity that somebody with Andy's ability does this as, to repeat, it is what they feel keeps Andy apart from joining the top 3.

If you think that is criticising him just to criticise him, then I must write more clearly because it is written with care and concern for Andy, not criticism for criticism's sake.
Didn't realise you'd only seen up to 1-4 in the second, David. I agree about the racket throwing and I do think he was fuming about the change of court and thus distracted from the job in hand. But my goodness did he get his game face on at 1-5 and it didn't let up. No chuntering like in the Lopez match (I too cringe and dread that because it's usually a sign of bad things to come - for whatever reason). So credit here, he pulled himself together and had that very focused look in his eyes that we don't always see.

[rk350]

I think Andy's attitude has actually been very good this open. Against Lopez I think he struggled physically in the third, but still managed to grind it out in the fourth. Against Cilic he started horrendously, for whatever reason. At no point did I feel he had no focus, just that he was playing terribly. When he started to play well, which I think was getting used to the court speed, he was very focussed from then on. Particularly I've noticed that in this tournament if he's 0-30 or 15-30 down, he's really focussed on serving well for the next few points, and not making silly errors. In the past, we've all seen him have an awful game and lose to love, but I think he's working hard on that.

Regarding Berdych, it is definitely better that Andy plays him, in terms of the chance of winning. The reason we don't like it as fans is that: a) Andy's expected to win, so we feel the pressure, and b) if Berdych wins he's got a chance at getting a slam before Andy, which we'd all be gutted about! If he lost to Fed, it wouldn't have been surprising, but at least no one new would have got their grubby mits on the trophy!! If you want to feel better about it, look at Berdych's record -v- top 10 players - he's about 80th on the list, compared to Andy who is inside the top 10! Keep the faith guys, bring on the semi!

[ljs]

I have confidence Andy will give this semi his all , and get into that final , even if its Djoko there too , anything can happen , if you get yourself there

[supergran]

Nothing will give me greater pleasure than seeing Andy win another six sets of quality focused tennis. I only saw highlights up to 1-4 in the second so am prepared to admit I am wrong about the bratish behaviour.

But I have not seen the unruffled concentration that we saw Andy have at the Olympics or in some other slams. The first set against Lopez he was sarky and when he is chuntering away he is playing against himself rather than his opponent. The 12 thank you's on my original post I think show some empathy with my opinion, and, as I posted before, I listen to neutral commentators on Portuguese Eurosport, and they simply feel it is a great pity that somebody with Andy's ability does this as, to repeat, it is what they feel keeps Andy apart from joining the top 3.

If you think that is criticising him just to criticise him, then I must write more clearly because it is written with care and concern for Andy, not criticism for criticism's sake. Love that comment that you listen to neutral commies. Here in the UK some of them take the slightest chance to have a go, criticise, mention his "body language", "poor behaviour" etc etc and that's before he plays a match. What annoys me is that other players do it but it passes somewhat unnoticed. Andy is a passionate young man who obviously has tried to calm down in important matches and I think he has done so. To show frustration occasionally is not the end of the world. We all have our views on our favourite player but I tend not to ctiticise as I leave that to the likes of the Sky pundits and the tennis experts.

[jeannie13]

Andy won his match !!! He threw his racket once-didn't break it--SHOCK HORROR!!! Was it 4 rackets that Baggy broke a few weeks ago!!! Did nole not break a seat with his racket a few weeks ago. Get a sense of proportion David. So Andy gets frustrated sometimes--many other players do as well. They are in a high pressure situation. Cut them some slack!! So many commentators are rather "holier than thou" a lot. Would hate to see it on this Forum. Thanks for your comments ,Maureen--very well said:clap:

[rondun]

I think it's absolutely essential to Andy's continued success that he has the occasional outburst.
Granted if it is constant throughout a match and results in a loss, then it's too much. But only then.

Fed had "Grumpy trouble" in his younger days but when he removed emotion altogether, his game started to decline.
I think this is one of the things that Ivan has helped with a lot, plus in places like New York it does wonders for his image and helps get the crowd on his side which is a massive bonus.

[Golden Lady]

OOp is out for tomorrow and Andy is first up on Ashe at 11 a.m so 4 p.m BST. Apparently there are showers forecast for the afternoon and they have decided to bring the start time forward from noon to 11 am to ensure that they complete the schedule.

[Hawkeye]

Nightmare for me! I'll be at Scotland v. Serbia.

[david1610]

Wow! Bit surprised at the criticism I have received.
Has Andy really been as concentrated throughout this tournament as he was during the Olympics?

If he starts to chunter to himself when Berdych hits through him and wins the first set, could it be a problem for the other sets?

My main point was that Andy has to channel all his energy into beating Berdych. I am afraid of Birdy for the simple reason that a lot of Andy's game is built around rock-solid defence but Tomas is one of the players who can hit through any defence. It is going to be really tough for Andy to maintain a level throughout the match to withstand that onslaught. If he does fully focus and do that, then Birdy's head will drop.

That is all I am saying. If you are happy with Andy's behaviour throughout this tournament, good, because we all are entitled to our opinions.

Actually the good (neutral?) news is that he has been more positive on Ashe rather than Armstrong, so hopefully that will continue and hopefully they start on time before the real heat of the day.

C'mon Andy!

[RFS]

Wow! Bit surprised at the criticism I have received.
Has Andy really been as concentrated throughout this tournament as he was during the Olympics?

If he starts to chunter to himself when Berdych hits through him and wins the first set, could it be a problem for the other sets?

My main point was that Andy has to channel all his energy into beating Berdych. I am afraid of Birdy for the simple reason that a lot of Andy's game is built around rock-solid defence but Tomas is one of the players who can hit through any defence. It is going to be really tough for Andy to maintain a level throughout the match to withstand that onslaught. If he does fully focus and do that, then Birdy's head will drop.

That is all I am saying. If you are happy with Andy's behaviour throughout this tournament, good, because we all are entitled to our opinions.

Actually the good (neutral?) news is that he has been more positive on Ashe rather than Armstrong, so hopefully that will continue and hopefully they start on time before the real heat of the day.

C'mon Andy!

I actually think you made your point quite eloquently - I thanked you and was going to reply, but got rammed with work.
Andy is Andy, we all know that.
But I can think of about a dozen Muzz fans and fellow-tennis-writers I follow on Twitter who all felt the same way in that match.
He IS getting better at cannning that destructive nature to his game... but I think there is ALWAYS room to improve.

I just hope that he really is in the frame of mind to halt Berdych from the get-go - don't let him anywhere NEAR hitting his stride.
Often Semi's can be more thrilling than finals but for once I want this to be done and dusted in 3, no murray-coasters and for Ferru to put Nole through a 5-set wringer.

I feel that this is an awesome opportunity for him .... it really is there for the taking... stamping over Berdy would be an amazing start!

[super8]

Andy v Berdych match will be on at 11am tomorrow EST - 4pm, UK time.

[lynne]

The Very, Very Best of Luck Andy!!!:thumbup::thumbup:

[traveller7]

Will make sure I am back from the gym by then!

[ljs]

david , you are entitled to your opinion just like others are . I enjoy your posts , and think you made some good points.

[Jan]

hmm I'll see the start, but have to take my daughter for a physio appointment about 5.30, so will miss about an hour. I guess I'll be back for the end unless one of them absolutely runs away with it (which I wouldn't mind, if it was Andy! Andy, are you listening?!)

[RFS]

I am actually passing up a chance to do remedial shorthand to watch this ... so will make up for it by giving town a miss tomorrow, and just working flat out to get up to 100 in time to join them next Saturday.

[rainy days]

Wow! Bit surprised at the criticism I have received.
Has Andy really been as concentrated throughout this tournament as he was during the Olympics?

If he starts to chunter to himself when Berdych hits through him and wins the first set, could it be a problem for the other sets?

My main point was that Andy has to channel all his energy into beating Berdych. I am afraid of Birdy for the simple reason that a lot of Andy's game is built around rock-solid defence but Tomas is one of the players who can hit through any defence. It is going to be really tough for Andy to maintain a level throughout the match to withstand that onslaught. If he does fully focus and do that, then Birdy's head will drop.

That is all I am saying. If you are happy with Andy's behaviour throughout this tournament, good, because we all are entitled to our opinions.

Actually the good (neutral?) news is that he has been more positive on Ashe rather than Armstrong, so hopefully that will continue and hopefully they start on time before the real heat of the day.

C'mon Andy!

I think there is a difference. That match against Lopez was awfully tight and Andy still managed to raise his game when he needed to. A few years ago, he might have lost that match. Same with Cilic... Coming back from 1 set and 2 breaks down proved just how determined he was to win. He beat both despite maybe not being able to come up with his very best Tennis. Andy is never going to be a brick-wall and I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. He just needs to let it out sometimes in crucial moments. He was focused when he needed to be.

I'm not a fan of Berdych's at all, so I just hope Andy kicks some *** tomorrow. I watched Berdych's press conference and he is way too arrogant for my liking. It's one thing to lose to a fellow top 4 member, we really don't need to add more one-slam-wonders to the mix. Fingers crossed. I can't say I'm not nervous though. However, I don't feel like their H2H is a very good indicator for tomorrow's match. He won their most recent HC match in straights and the one in Paris last year went to distance, so hopefully BO5 on Ashe will favour Andy. He will obviously need to come up with his best Tennis.

[Madeline]

I don't like the hot and humid forecast - Andy has struggled with both in all his day matches here. Hopefully by now he is getting more accustomed.

Bad timing for me, I will miss most of it (which might be good for my blood pressure).

[RoastLamb]

Wow! Bit surprised at the criticism I have received.
Has Andy really been as concentrated throughout this tournament as he was during the Olympics?



I feel the same as you. I think you write excellent posts as well. Very thoughtful and measured.

[cazza99]

I don't like the hot and humid forecast - Andy has struggled with both in all his day matches here. Hopefully by now he is getting more accustomed.

Bad timing for me, I will miss most of it (which might be good for my blood pressure).

I should think Andy will be more acclimatized by now, he has had several more days in this heat.

[rouges]

Love that comment that you listen to neutral commies. Here in the UK some of them take the slightest chance to have a go, criticise, mention his "body language", "poor behaviour" etc etc and that's before he plays a match. What annoys me is that other players do it but it passes somewhat unnoticed. Andy is a passionate young man who obviously has tried to calm down in important matches and I think he has done so. To show frustration occasionally is not the end of the world. We all have our views on our favourite player but I tend not to ctiticise as I leave that to the likes of the Sky pundits and the tennis experts.
These days most of them have acted "bratish", at times worse than Andy. The only gentleman I ever saw on court was Bjorn Borg, the iceman, just got on with play.

[rouges]

I think there is a difference. That match against Lopez was awfully tight and Andy still managed to raise his game when he needed to. A few years ago, he might have lost that match. Same with Cilic... Coming back from 1 set and 2 breaks down proved just how determined he was to win. He beat both despite maybe not being able to come up with his very best Tennis. Andy is never going to be a brick-wall and I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. He just needs to let it out sometimes in crucial moments. He was focused when he needed to be.

I'm not a fan of Berdych's at all, so I just hope Andy kicks some *** tomorrow. I watched Berdych's press conference and he is way too arrogant for my liking. It's one thing to lose to a fellow top 4 member, we really don't need to add more one-slam-wonders into the mix. Fingers crossed. I can't say I'm not nervous though. However, I don't feel like their H2H is a very good indicator for tomorrow's match. He won their most recent HC match in straights and the one in Paris last year went to distance, so hopefully BO5 on Ashe will favour Andy. He will obviously need to come up with his best Tennis.
I saw his post match interview and hope Andy did too because he thinks "Andy will play the same" and he thinks he will beat Andy and was arrogant when asked about Lucas Rosol, he said are you comparing "me" to him. I think he meant that he was in a different league, I agree but one should not blow one's own trumpet.

[RFS]

Just caught Ivan's interview with Petch - god that man is MARVELLOUS... please let this partnership be a lot longer term... the man stands no nonsense... from Andy, from Petch, from ANYONE! What a lege!

[supergran]

He certainly is....just loved his replies. Very firm but with humour. He's lovely!

[Aya]

I don't think Andy will have a problem with a day match. The one against Bogomolov is justified (1st match and not yet used to conditions) and the other two were on Armstrong.

I'm sure he'll do his best. Come on Andy!

[Madeline]

Oh, that's true! I forgot that.

[Niknak's Mum]

Just caught Ivan's interview with Petch - god that man is MARVELLOUS... please let this partnership be a lot longer term... the man stands no nonsense... from Andy, from Petch, from ANYONE! What a lege!

Where can I find this interview?

[Niknak's Mum]

Hi all. As usual I am not up to speed on where to watch :doh: Is Sky the only option? If that is the case and things go well for Andy tomorrow I may have to 'phone a friend' for Sunday's final :wino:

[ljs]

getting so excited for 2morrow :clap: Have a good feeling

[Golden Lady]

Got an open event tomorrow at the charity I work for, followed by distant family visiting in the eve, which isn't easy! My head may not be with Andy all day but my heart sure as heck will be. Go on Andy!!!!!

[pabbers]

Hi all. As usual I am not up to speed on where to watch :doh: Is Sky the only option? If that is the case and things go well for Andy tomorrow I may have to 'phone a friend' for Sunday's final :wino:

Well on the BBC website there was an option to follow the Williams/Errani match live and I feel sure a work colleague said it was being covered on BBC2 the other day - take a look around.

[Niknak's Mum]

Well on the BBC website there was an option to follow the Williams/Errani match live and I feel sure a work colleague said it was being covered on BBC2 the other day - take a look around.

Thanks Pat ...
It seems that when they say 'follow the Williams/Errani match live they mean on Radio 5 live, which is where it took me when I clicked on the link. I will have a look around tomorrow to see what else is on offer. :thanks:

[ljs]

hahasport.com will have it niknaks mom

[rainy days]

I saw his post match interview and hope Andy did too because he thinks "Andy will play the same" and he thinks he will beat Andy and was arrogant when asked about Lucas Rosol, he said are you comparing "me" to him. I think he meant that he was in a different league, I agree but one should not blow one's own trumpet.

Yeah exactly. He was so arrogant. That's what threw me off. And then there was also that incident where he was shushing the crowd after he won a match against Nadal (in Madrid).

[RoastLamb]

Yeah exactly. He was so arrogant. That's what threw me off. And then there was also that incident where he was shushing the crowd after he won a match against Nadal (in Madrid).

The only times I've liked him even vaguely were when he knocked Federer out of Wimbly and here. Otherwise I can't stand him.

[patmoren]

Why did they have to put it on so early, Andy doesn't like early matches. Lets hope he can warm up quickly.

[pabbers]

That's what I was thinking - had forgotten he doesn't like early starts.

[Mickey]

Matt Cronin who has been picking the winners of all the matches throughout this Tournament and has done really well with his picks even to the sets won has picked Andy in 4. Go to the US website and read it well worth it.

[pabbers]

Matt Cronin who has been picking the winners of all the matches throughout this Tournament and has done really well with his picks even to the sets won has picked Andy in 4. Go to the US website and read it well worth it.

Will go take a look but feel the need for a :cauldron:

[Sallydaisy]

Why did they have to put it on so early, Andy doesn't like early matches. Lets hope he can warm up quickly.
Because there is heavy rain/thunderstorms forecast (http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/New+York+NY+10007:4:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6) from late afternoon onwards and the 2nd match risks not being finished or having a few rain-breaks so I'm glad for once that Andy is playing first and that early. + from 13.00 the wind is going to pick up and Andy doesn't cope so well with that either so the sooner he is on and off court the better.

They're starting play on Arthur Ashe court at 11.00, instead of the original schedule of 12noon, and the 2nd Semi will follow immediately in an attempt to get both matches done before the storms which are forecast to be isolated but short and sharp. It doesn't bode well for the Ladies Final which is the night match because there's a 40% chance of rain all evening.

TBH it would have been better to start both Mens Semi's at 11am with one on Ashe and t'other on Armstrong and bring the Ladies forward to be the 2nd match on Ashe. - but who am I to know?
;)

I think Lendl will make sure Andy is awake for this one ...
:whistle:

[pabbers]

TBH it would have been better to start both Mens Semi's at 11am with one on Ashe and t'other on Armstrong and bring the Ladies forward to be the 2nd match on Ashe. - but who am I to know?
;)



Glad they haven't decided to do that because it would just have been Andy's luck to be on Armstrong. Think we thought the same thing about having them on simultaneously the year Andy and Rafa played their long match with a rain delay, Fed having had the first semi and gotten through before the heavens opened.

[Jane]

All the very best of luck to Andy:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::)

[Sallydaisy]

Glad they haven't decided to do that because it would just have been Andy's luck to be on Armstrong.
Yes that's true - and they probably would have put the #2 player on Ashe. It wouldn't have been fair anyway to start Nole/Daveed at 11.00 since both played yesterday whereas Andy/Tomas have had the benefit of the extra day off.

So, in that sense, Muzzah would always have known he'd be playing the earlier match today
(i.e. top half of the draw) and has had time to prepare for it in terms of training/diet.

Hope he/his team have taken note not just of the pending rain but also the prospect of strongish winds from 13.00hrs. Andy doesn't do so well when it's windy so I'm hoping they've got a strategy of getting the match done inside 2hrs so he's offcourt before that unknown factor kicks in. He's been better at early matches for a while now so fingers crossed he's up and raring to go at 11.00!!!

[rainy days]

Andy said it was very windy during the Raonic match... He did well in that one.

[rondun]

They were saying Berdych's game is more dependent on the conditions being perfect than Andy's. A bit of wind increases his error count dramatically. Let's hope it's blowing a hoolie!

[supergran]

Hello everyone! It will be what it will be! Can't believe how nervous I am now just thinking about it. Just hope that Andy puts the arrogant Berdych in his place with a strong start, positive attitude and the brilliant play that we know he is capable of. Good luck Andy!!!

[Alis]

Amazingly arrogant press conference from Berdych - equalling his Smugness himself I would say. I'm really looking forward to Andy bringing him down to size just as he did with Raonic! Go Andy!!!!!!

[VamosVixs]

Sooo nervous but hopefully Andy can bring his A game and destroy Berdy!!!! Go Andy!!!! :cheer:

[rainy days]

Come on Andy!!

[Katie]

I'm feeling ok about this one, surprisingly! Just have a feeling that Andy's going to come out playing focused, aggressive tennis that forces Berdych into defensive positions more often. Wouldn't be surprised to see Berdych to get a set, but feel that Andy will be the winner today.

[Manaus]

Rather nervous about this match, really hope Andy will come out strong, not like the way he started against Cilic. Also have to go out at 6 so hopefully the match will be done and dusted by then.

[Sallydaisy]

Just some thoughts on H2H between these 2 players and a bit of Grand Slam background .....

There are those who think if Berdych plays as he did in the QF that he'll have the game to beat Andy. Whereas it's very likely that if Andy can play as he did in the Olympic Gold match he'd come out the winner. If they are both playing their best tennis this match could go either way ...

No doubt their respective coaches will be plotting strategy and this could be where Lendl really earns his crust. Also not in doubt is that Berdych is one of the top players who can get into Andy's head so it'll be vital for Andy to keep a clear focus on the job in hand and not be put off by the heavy hitting that's likely to come his way from the other end of the court.

There are many who say these are 2 of the current best players who've so far not won a Grand Slam (add Ferrer to that list of the current top 10 players) so this match at the Semi-Final stage of a Slam (their first such meeting) could be a cracker.

But the difference will be the mental approach; Berdych will want to get ahead, Andy must stop him.
Andy's experience at this stage of a Grand Slam may well stand him in good stead today.

It would be disappointing if Muzzah wasn't able to find a way past the Czech player.
Everything crossed that he'll make it through to his 5th Grand Slam Final.
:thumbup:


A few Grand Slam stats:-




Andy

Tomas



Grand Slam Finals

4

1



Grand Slam Semi's

6

1



Grand Slam match record W/L - this year

15/3

7/3



Grand Slam match record W/L - all years

93/27

72/36



and some others of interest





2012 (career in brackets)





5 set record - this year

0/1 (12/6)

1/0 (14/7)



Deciding set (3rd or 5th)

6/4 (83/41)

8/8 (90/71)



Finals

2/3 (23/12)

1/2 (7/8)



Wins against top 10 players

7/6 (56/45)

3/9 (29/69)



Tie-breaks

9/5 (101/65)

14/12 (125/100)



After Winning 1st Set

32/3 (308/22)

35/4 (303/48)



After Losing 1st Set

8/8 (55/96)

6/12 (53/159)



vs. Right Handers

34/11 (313/102)

37/14 (299/176)



Hardcourt (includes indoor unfortunately)

19/5 (247/71)

23/8 (197/124)



Matches played (career)

40/11 (363/118)

41/16 (356/207)





Backtracking through their previous meetings .....
Andy has never been so keen on clay whereas Berdych was brought up playing on the surface.
So the loss at Roland Garros in 2010 was disappointing but not wholly surprising.

Taking the claycourt matches out of the equation makes them 2-2 H2H.

In terms of comparable matches on outdoor hard court they are 1-1 H2H.
Berdych won in 2006 at the AO in 3 sets; Andy won 6 years later in Dubai in 2 sets.
2005 - new kid on the block 18yr old Andy caught Tomas off-guard at the Basel indoors on indoor carpet.
2006 - but Berdy won in 3 on outdoor hard court in Australia just 3 months later.

2010 - 4 years later on clay at Roland Garros and a 3 set win again for Berdych

2011 - Berdych wins on indoor hard court at the Paris Masters making it 3 wins in a row.
But it was apparent that Andy had picked up some injury niggles following his excellent run in the Far East. He subsequently withdrew from the World Tour Finals a week later after losing his only match to David Ferrer.
(from the Guardian after the Ferrer match: Against sound medical advice, Murray decided to risk aggravating an injury he has never had before, one he collected recently – to go with niggles in a buttock, an elbow and a hamstring he had acquired in the previous few weeks, not to mention the mental anguish that accompanies him everywhere.
But a strained buttock forced him to pull out of Basel and Berdych beat him in a tight quarter-final in Paris)

2012 - Dubai and it's a win for Andy in 2 sets on outdoor hard court.
2012 - Berdy wins at the Monte Carlo Masters on clay.
With hindsight it appears that Andy had picked up a serious problem with his back and that subsequently affected him at Barcelona, Rome and Queens.

[traveller7]

Im nervous

[supergran]

Thanks for all that Sally,:thanks: interesting stats and I feel slightly better.:sofa:

[Sallydaisy]

Weather update - it's already raining in New York.
:rain:

The forecast has changed slightly since my earlier post and there are likely to be thunderstorms anytime all day. The only clear window appears to be 3pm'ish.
Here's the link from 10am - 3pm (http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/New+York+NY+10007:4:US) and then 4pm onwards (http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/graph/New+York+NY+10007:4:US?pagenum=2&nextbeginIndex=6)

A few tweets to give you the current picture!

Neil Harman ‏@NeilHarmanTimes (https://twitter.com/NeilHarmanTimes)
Steamy, stormy morning in NYC. I think we could be in a bit of trouble today. #needtogetthisdone (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23needtogetthisdone)
Spots on the front window of the bus heading to Flushing does not bode well. #notusuallyapessimist (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23notusuallyapessimist)
Current conditions on the Long Island Expressway :( http://pic.twitter.com/fGLusoZV (http://t.co/fGLusoZV)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A2RlEGTCQAA0LhH.jpg

Jonathan Overend ‏@5livetennis (https://twitter.com/5livetennis)


Morning hits: Berdych on one of the outside practice courts, Murray on Arthur Ashe.
Very breezy, clouds low.
Not a great sign: TV cameraman covering up the court side cameras with heavy tarpaulin.
Murray still hitting on a blustery Ashe Court.

Mike Dickson ‏@Mike_Dickson_DM (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dickson_DM)


Driving out to Flushing Meadows in torrential rain, that 4pm (UK) start for Andy Murray could be in doubt.



US Open Tennis ‏@usopen (https://twitter.com/usopen)

Daytime weather forecast is overcaset w/ potential of isolated showers.
#usopen (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23usopen) remains on schedule to begin at 11am ET http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/weather.html?promo=text (http://t.co/bARyISaO)

[david1610]

Very interesting analysis Sally. Thank you.

Just to confirm that USOpen site currently confirming they are expecting to start on time.
The information to the public also reminds them that it will be a prompt start at 11:00 local time, or 4:00 p.m. UK. so not sure if they will knock up before to start then or not, just in case we are making final plans for our viewing conditions :)
PS Posted same time as Sally.... now wondering how uptodate that "current" message is....

[supergran]

According to a fb friend who is over there it is not raining in the city!

[ljs]

bit worried whether this will go or not , NY is now getting what we had thru the night and this morning , very heavy rain and thunderstorms :(

[Jan]

oh dear it definitely looks like one of those days.

[Alis]

I really hope Andy gets his match started at least so that there is no possibility of it being moved to Armstrong.[/I]

[Sallydaisy]

According to a fb friend who is over there it is not raining in the city!

Well,New York is a vast place so it might yet be dry in one area but Neil Harman posted this 15mins ago and it was 'live' ... and he's 'en-route' to Flushing Meadows which is quite close to LIE.

Current conditions on the Long Island Expressway :( http://pic.twitter.com/fGLusoZV (http://t.co/fGLusoZV)

[david1610]

I really hope Andy gets his match started at least so that there is no possibility of it being moved to Armstrong.[/I]
Yes, if the forecast is showers, they should be able to play something and then get bragging rights to the court!

Trivia part 99 - is the lucky charm going to be there - or was Pippa Middleton's time of arrival for the Cilic match after Roddick's swansong just one more swell of (in?) the crowd ? :)

[clancy]

I now have both my dogs diagnosed with terminal illnesses so obviously feeling at rock bottom. Andy brought a smile to my face at Olympic Wimbledon so please try and do it again this weekend for both our sakes! I know you will give your all and I will still be most loyal fan whatever the outcome. There's another grand slam in 4 months but it would be wonderful if you pulled it off in New York. All the very best!

[RFS]

Trying to allay my nerves by practising shorthand. I'm not awfully sure it is helping though as I am missing out swathes of sentences thinking about Lendl's interview on Sky.
Imagine the scene...:

Boring passage about boring councillors, or equally boring people rescuing cats and kittens.... [/mind wanders... Lendl... mind wanders... Berdy looking hot and bothered... mind wanders... Andy doing his pointy skywards thing...] ... blah blah can I count on your support [insert whatever boring pap they are bleating on about]

I am so not ready for 21st September.
Maybe my concentration will improve with:
1) Andy topping off year of gold medal with Slam
2) Client off until end of Sept
3) No sport morning noon and night.

Less than an hour to go...
And my plan for rain delays is vocab practice.

[supergran]

Well,New York is a vast place so it might yet be dry in one area but Neil Harman posted this 15mins ago and it was 'live' ... and he's 'en-route' to Flushing Meadows which is quite close to LIE.I read that Sally and posted it on fb, then received message saying not raining in the city. So I was hoping that the dry weather will therefore reach Flushing Meadows in time for match.:thumbup::thumbup:

[JAMES4578]

Whilst a slight delay wouldn't be too much of a problem, certainly hope it's not going to be one of these on and off days! Hopefully Andy will be prepared, though this is not ideal!

[supergran]

:nailbiter:Keeping my nerves at bay by watching recording of St Helens v Wigan, played last night and Saints won.:clap:

[Jane]

I'm watching the football - Scotland v. Serbia - WC qualies. Hope the Serb footballers are not anywhere near as good as their tennis players!!! Score 0-0 after 30 minutes

[rainy days]

I just hope they won't move Andy to Armstrong again. BG said it's a possibility... :sad:

[ljs]

Harman just tweeted the same , oh noooooo please

[VamosVixs]

Oh god please no. Andy was there the last time!! :sad:

[david1610]

Change in USOpen site message:
We are anticipating periods of rain this morning and will start today's day session as close to 11 a.m. ET as possible.

[Alis]

If they change Andy's court it shows clear favouritism to Djoko. As Andy/Berdy is the first match, it would be much more logical for them to stay on AA and for the second match to be moved. When you take into account that Andy has already been messed around, he would certainly have legitimate cause for complaint. I hope Mr Lendl is already on his way to see the tournament director!

[david1610]

If they change Andy's court it shows clear favouritism to Djoko. As Andy/Berdy is the first match, it would be much more logical for them to stay on AA and for the second match to be moved. When you take into account that Andy has already been messed around, he would certainly have legitimate cause for complaint. I hope Mr Lendl is already on his way to see the tournament director!
Don't forget Birdy's coach will almost certainly be lobbying FOR the change which is another factor to take into account.
I am not saying that is right but just that the position is more complicated!

[lynne]

@BritishTennis has just tweeted.................
We may be waiting a while for Andy Murray to play his US Open semi-final match against Tomas Berdych - absolute rain storm in New York

[ljs]

kinda figured :grrr:

[Manaus]

Aww, looking unlikely that I'll be able to see the whole of this match.

[rondun]

Don't forget Birdy's coach will almost certainly be lobbying FOR the change which is another factor to take into account.
I am not saying that is right but just that the position is more complicated!I think an 8 time consecutive US Open finalist would have the better bargaining power though ;)

[david1610]

Actual images on Eurosport of rain coming down on Ashe :(


PS Yes Andy would have more say than Birdy, or Lendl v. his coach, but if you say it is Andy v. Nole + Birdy (and what about Daveed) then it is different. My point is not Andy v. Birdy but that Birdy could be an extra difficulty

[-J-]

Possibly the worse thing about it being moved to armstrong is andy will see it as another tussle with his tangle with lady luck, he may well be beaten by himself before play gets underway

[ljs]

the commies on livestream just said there may not be ANY tennis 2day

[-J-]

the commies on livestream just said there may not be any tennis 2daynow that option suits me fine

[Jan]

none? :shocked:

[traveller7]

Oh I hope there is although there is now a tornado warning apparently!

[rainy days]

I think an 8 time consecutive US Open finalist would have the better bargaining power though ;)

What kind of argument would Berdych have to not want to play on the main court? Because it would disadvantage his opponent???

[Sallydaisy]

If they change Andy's court it shows clear favouritism to Djoko. As Andy/Berdy is the first match, it would be much more logical for them to stay on AA and for the second match to be moved. When you take into account that Andy has already been messed around, he would certainly have legitimate cause for complaint. I hope Mr Lendl is already on his way to see the tournament director!
Well nothing seems certain at the moment.
In fairness to Andy they already moved one of his matches (v Cilic) to Armstrong so he doesn't deserve to have that happen again IMHO and I too hope Lendl will strenuously protest if asked the question. I think on this occasion it would be fairer to move Djokovic v Ferrer to Armstrong.

However, the forecast really is appalling and there's a tornado alert in force!!!
+ it ain't going to get much better.

Monday Final I reckon.

[ljs]

and im going away for the day on Monday :crying:

[Alis]

What kind of argument would Berdych have to not want to play on the main court? Because it would disadvantage his opponent???

I can't see that Berdych would have any justification for asking for a switch. Seemingly they are now saying that if play doesn't start before 7 p.m. the Murray/Berdych match will be switched to LA - I assume that is so the ladies' singles final can start on time. There's a long time between now and 7 p.m. New York time - fingers crossed!

[Sallydaisy]

:lol:


Jonathan Overend ‏@5livetennis (https://twitter.com/5livetennis) We have been evacuated from our commentary box after tornado warning. A new experience.

[david1610]

What kind of argument would Berdych have to not want to play on the main court? Because it would disadvantage his opponent???
Let's see where we agree and where we disagree.
If the weather continues to be bad, it seems one match might be played on Ashe and one match on Armstrong - think we can agree on that.
Would the US Open organisers schedule this or consult the players and/or coaches? Formally, I do not know.

IMHO the players would want the following (though tell me if I have made a mistake)

Nole - Ashe - it is the no. 1 court. He is the defending champion and the highest ranked player. I think he will want Ashe out of the respect that implies.
Andy - Ashe. He has said Armstrong is much faster. He does not want to play on it.
Daveed. Ashe -I presume if there is any advantage to somebody who plays clay court really well, it would be on the slower court
Birdy - Armstrong. It should suit his game better.

Now do the organisers take into account "who has already had their share of Armstrong?" Do not know.
That by my reckoning makes 3 against 1. Even if Nole and Andy count more, I do not see how this works in Andy's favour.

The one argument in favour would be NBC if they are smart enough to realise that the Andy v. Birdy match is probably going to be a more exciting contest.

I do not want Andy on Armstrong, but stepping outside our opinion as fans, I cannot objectively see how Andy would avoid Armstrong unfortunately.

[traveller7]

Oh how depressing especially when the weather is so nice here today and has been all week! its worse than Wimbledon out there!!!

[rondun]

Actual images on Eurosport of rain coming down on Ashe :(


PS Yes Andy would have more say than Birdy, or Lendl v. his coach, but if you say it is Andy v. Nole + Birdy (and what about Daveed) then it is different. My point is not Andy v. Birdy but that Birdy could be an extra difficultyYeah.
Think it becomes immaterial when the man from NBC picks up the phone anyway

[-J-]

i can't see that berdych would have any justification for asking for a switch. Seemingly they are now saying that if play doesn't start before 7 p.m. The murray/berdych match will be switched to la - i assume that is so the ladies' singles final can start on time. There's a long time between now and 7 p.m. New york time - fingers crossed!that would be fair enough as long as they dont move andy to allow nole to play on ashe

[RFS]

Turned on Sky to see a documentary about Federer. Nothing about the 4 men who are contesting THIS year's Slam
Not even about the man who is their CURRENT Champion.
Nooo we have to hear how gracious (!?) Fed is in defeat.


I never thought I would be HAPPY to have the sound down and crack on with practice.

[david1610]

Turned on Sky to see a documentary about Federer. Nothing about the 4 men who are contesting THIS year's Slam
Not even about the man who is their CURRENT Champion.
Nooo we have to hear how gracious (!?) Fed is in defeat.


I never thought I would be HAPPY to have the sound down and crack on with practice.
I never realised that RFS stands for "Rain For Shorthand" :)

[rainy days]

Let's see where we agree and where we disagree.
If the weather continues to be bad, it seems one match might be played on Ashe and one match on Armstrong - think we can agree on that.
Would the US Open organisers schedule this or consult the players and/or coaches? Formally, I do not know.

IMHO the players would want the following (though tell me if I have made a mistake)

Nole - Ashe - it is the no. 1 court. He is the defending champion and the highest ranked player. I think he will want Ashe out of the respect that implies.
Andy - Ashe. He has said Armstrong is much faster. He does not want to play on it.
Daveed. Ashe -I presume if there is any advantage to somebody who plays clay court really well, it would be on the slower court
Birdy - Armstrong. It should suit his game better.

Now do the organisers take into account "who has already had their share of Armstrong?" Do not know.
That by my reckoning makes 3 against 1. Even if Nole and Andy count more, I do not see how this works in Andy's favour.

The one argument in favour would be NBC if they are smart enough to realise that the Andy v. Birdy match is probably going to be a more exciting contest.

I do not want Andy on Armstrong, but stepping outside our opinion as fans, I cannot objectively see how Andy would avoid Armstrong unfortunately.

No one asks to not play on the main court. I agree what you said about the other two, but Berdych's opinion won't be relevant at all in this scenario. There is no way he could reasonably justify not wanting to play on Ashe.

[Sallydaisy]

The Tornado Watch is in place until 9pm (http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/new-york-ny/10007/daily-weather-forecast/349727) local time apparently.

[RFS]

Let's see where we agree and where we disagree.
If the weather continues to be bad, it seems one match might be played on Ashe and one match on Armstrong - think we can agree on that.
Would the US Open organisers schedule this or consult the players and/or coaches? Formally, I do not know.

IMHO the players would want the following (though tell me if I have made a mistake)

Nole - Ashe - it is the no. 1 court. He is the defending champion and the highest ranked player. I think he will want Ashe out of the respect that implies.
Andy - Ashe. He has said Armstrong is much faster. He does not want to play on it.
Daveed. Ashe -I presume if there is any advantage to somebody who plays clay court really well, it would be on the slower court
Birdy - Armstrong. It should suit his game better.

Now do the organisers take into account "who has already had their share of Armstrong?" Do not know.
That by my reckoning makes 3 against 1. Even if Nole and Andy count more, I do not see how this works in Andy's favour.

The one argument in favour would be NBC if they are smart enough to realise that the Andy v. Birdy match is probably going to be a more exciting contest.

I do not want Andy on Armstrong, but stepping outside our opinion as fans, I cannot objectively see how Andy would avoid Armstrong unfortunately.

Interesting points - and I think the USTA hasn't done itself many favours in the scheduling department with their reliance on scheduling (not to mention cover-gate and bench-gate this year).
I would say possibly in terms of clout, assuming that players have any say over scheduling and the mighty dollar, Nole, Andy, Berdy, Ferrer....
But it's anyone's guess.
But damn, their scheduling is just crackers.

[Alis]

Sounds highly likely that there will be no play at all today. I would assume then that today's schedule would just transfer to tomorrow and the final be played on Monday. The forecast looks better for tomorrow.

[RoastLamb]

It's not NBC btw, it's CBS. :lol:

[Genbrit]

CBS says rain has just stopped and they are looking forward to some live tennis!!

[rainy days]

US Open Tennis ‏@usopen

Forecast indicates severe weather & rain until noon followed by clearing skies. We will then dry courts & begin play: http://bit.ly/mRMKL3

Hopefully they are right.

[david1610]

The Tornado Watch is in place until 9pm (http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/new-york-ny/10007/daily-weather-forecast/349727) local time apparently.
I know nothing about a "Tornado watch" but presumably it was only announced a short time ago as otherwise the USOpen website would have been giving false information.

Presumably the same organisation which issues the "watch" states when it is over and presumably can revise the period it operates for.
I know weather forecasting is not a 100% art but there is a heck of a difference between going from "play starts at 11:00" to "Tornado watch until 9:00 p.m.". Somebody at the least seems to need to be better informed!
Especially as the information was changed when presumably the ticketholders were on site. I would certainly want to know if I was there how likely play was today. Imagine the ticketholders drift home and then there is play after all!

Edit: ah so "Tornado watch" does not necessarily stop play? (confused)

[RFS]

And we're forgetting they need to get a final going as well... !!!

[Sallydaisy]

Presumably the same organisation which issues the "watch" states when it is over and presumably can revise the period it operates for.
I know weather forecasting is not a 100% art but there is a heck of a difference between going from "play starts at 11:00" to "Tornado watch until 9:00 p.m.". Somebody at the least seems to need to be better informed!
Especially as the information was changed when presumably the ticketholders were on site. I would certainly want to know if I was there how likely play was today. Imagine the ticketholders drift home and then there is play after all!

The Tornado Watch is in place until 9pm (http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/new-york-ny/10007/daily-weather-forecast/349727) local time apparently.
The link I gave takes you to Acuweather which has a pink warning banner stating the tornado watch is in place until 9pm (which is why I referred to that time in my post). If you click on the 'more' bit it takes you to the warning issued today by the National Weather Service for the USA.

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HAS ISSUED TORNADO WATCH 635 IN EFFECT UNTIL 9 PM EDT THIS EVENING FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS

IN CONNECTICUT THIS WATCH INCLUDES 3 COUNTIES
IN SOUTHERN CONNECTICUT
FAIRFIELD MIDDLESEX NEW HAVEN
IN NEW JERSEY THIS WATCH INCLUDES 5 COUNTIES
IN NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY
BERGEN ESSEX HUDSON PASSAIC UNION
IN NEW YORK THIS WATCH INCLUDES 11 COUNTIES
IN SOUTHEAST NEW YORK
BRONX KINGS (BROOKLYN) NASSAU NEW YORK (MANHATTAN) ORANGE PUTNAM QUEENS RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND) ROCKLAND SUFFOLK WESTCHESTER





I know nothing about a "Tornado watch" but presumably it was only announced a short time ago as otherwise the USOpen website would have been giving false information.
No idea when the 'watch' was issued ... but it would be surprising if the USO didn't know about it. The forecast for today has always been dodgy and the USO knew that for sure because that is why they scheduled play to start today at 11.00 instead of 12.00.

[Genbrit]

A watch means the conditions are favorable for a tornado, :sofa: a warning means a tornado has been spotted. :nailbiter: So from what I understand a watch just means be prepared, a warning will mean there are tornados in the area or on there way.

[david1610]

If there is a tornado watch in operation yet the US Open website is announcing play could start, I conclude that a Tornado Watch until 9:00 p.m. does not mean the same as "no play until 9:00 p.m." ?
Or have I missed something?

[rondun]

No one asks to not play on the main court. I agree what you said about the other two, but Berdych's opinion won't be relevant at all in this scenario. There is no way he could reasonably justify not wanting to play on Ashe.He doesn't need to say he doesn't want to play on Ashe though, just that he'd be happy to play on Armstrong would be enough

[Genbrit]

If there is a tornado watch in operation yet the US Open website is announcing play could start, I conclude that a Tornado Watch until 9:00 p.m. does not mean the same as "no play until 9:00 p.m." ?
Or have I missed something?

David, I think you are right, it does not mean the same. I believe there will be play. CBS are getting ready now.

[RFS]

I never realised that RFS stands for "Rain For Shorthand" :)

Just for you:

759

(you may have to click on it to see it more clearly....)

[david1610]

A watch means the conditions are favorable for a tornado, :sofa: a warning means a tornado has been spotted. :nailbiter: So from what I understand a watch just means be prepared, a warning will mean there are tornados in the area or on there way.
Ah yes, of course - scales. Thank you
Reminds me of how careful you have to be in the use of "incident" v. "accident" in the nuclear event scale, and therefore how frightening the Japan event was last year, going from level 4 to 5 then 7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale

[Sallydaisy]

If there is a tornado watch in operation yet the US Open website is announcing play could start, I conclude that a Tornado Watch until 9:00 p.m. does not mean the same as "no play until 9:00 p.m." ?
Or have I missed something?
I'm a bit confused about where you're getting this from "no play until 9:00 p.m." ???

The tornado watch is just that - be prepared. There are thunderstorms forecast for most of the day and that could set the conditions right for a tornado - especially since the wind is going to pick up speed as well.

In the meantime the USO are desperately waiting for the rain to stop so they can dry the courts and carry on and try to get play underway. Brad Gilbert is tweeting updates and this is his latest:

The lastest the skys are looking brighter but still light rain the Squeege crew ready to pounce a not before 1215 is what they are saying ?
@hfwardhouse (https://twitter.com/hfwardhouse) no court changes yet
and ... Neil Harman
(https://twitter.com/NeilHarmanTimes)
Rain stopped. Latest intelligence, we may start at 12.30,
but more rain forecast from 4/5 and then it's going to set in

[Sallydaisy]

Mike Dickson ‏@Mike_Dickson_DM (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dickson_DM) Hearing Murray still on Ashe for start around 520 (UK)

[traveller7]

Cross fingers for some play in 45 minutes then

[rondun]

Scotland just drew 0-0 against Serbia.
Sets things up nicely for round 2 which looks like it'll be Monday night with all the rain in NY!

[david1610]

I think the Jonathan Overend tweet about his "tornado evacuation" might prove to have been a bit dramatic.

[Genbrit]

If you really want to see what the weather looks like, you can see the forecast here:
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/USNY0996:1?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=6
Click on next 6 hours though to see future forecast not past!!!

[-J-]

Scotland just drew 0-0 against Serbia.
Sets things up nicely for round 2 which looks like it'll be Monday night with all the rain in NY!hope its no repeat the football was dire

[tom]

Tweet from Boris:

Boris Becker ‏@Becker_Boris
Match starts at 1220h ,sun is back out and courts almost dry ...

[tom]

And from David Law:
Warm, dry but incredibly windy outside. Wind going in all directions. No idea how they are going to control a tennis ball in this

[Sallydaisy]

Tweet from Boris:

Boris Becker ‏@Becker_Boris
Match starts at 1220h ,sun is back out and courts almost dry ...
:phew:

ASHE has Andy's name up on the scoreboard ...

Ben Rothenberg ‏@BenRothenberg (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg) Tomas Berdych vs. Andy Murray will not be moved, it appears. Their names have just appeared on the Ashe screens. #usopen (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23usopen)



Except another journo I follow has tweeted this so it seems everyone is still confused!

LuisAlfredoESPN ‏@LuisAlvarez_1 (https://twitter.com/LuisAlvarez_1) BREAKING NEWS!!! Las dos SF se jugarán al mismo tiempo. ASHE-ARMSTRONG
Imagino Djokovic-Ferrer en Ashe y Berdych-Murray en Armstrong. Detalles confirmando al instante


Roughly translated. The 2 SF will be played at the same time on Ashe and Armstrong.
I imagine D/F on Ashe and B/M on Arms. Details to be confirmed shortly.

[supergran]

Let's go Andy, let's go!!!!!!!!!

[rainy days]

He doesn't need to say he doesn't want to play on Ashe though, just that he'd be happy to play on Armstrong would be enough

But WHY???

It's not happening anyway. They are supposed to start soon on Ashe. But Djokovic/Ferrer might be moved.

[david1610]

Another useful resource which has come online is the US Open radio, which has gone for an ad break and just said "when we come back Andy Murray and Tomas Berdych walking on to court"

[rondun]

But WHY???

It's not happening anyway. They are supposed to start soon on Ashe. But Djokovic/Ferrer might be moved.What do you mean why?
If Berdy thinks his best chance of beating Andy (and getting to a slam final) is playing him on Armstrong, the he and his team would do whatever it takes to get the match moved. If they don't they're not doing their job properly

[david1610]

They have just come out on court! They= Andy and Tomas!

[Jan]

Glad they will finally get underway soon, but I have to go out for just over an hour. Had expected to miss a middle section of the match, but will miss the start instead. Hope to come back to good news.
Come on Andy!

[david1610]

Birdy wins toss and will serve first. Andy near baseline to TV camera.

[davech]

They're out on court, but it looks dark and windy out there. It's not going to be fun to play on.

[Manaus]

Can only watch about 40 min of this, really hope Andy gets this done quickly, not looking nice out there.

[Jan]

Cheer on my behalf please!
Back later!

[supergran]

Come on Andy..we're all rooting for you. GO GET HIM ANDY!!!

[david1610]

If Andy can win and get this SF out of the way, it could be a MASSIVE advantage if they do not put the other SF on Armstrong immediately (deja vu folks but at least Andy is in the first this time round!).
But first.... c'mon Andy!

[Niknak's Mum]

Why does Radio 5 Live say it has live commentary of the match and then when I click listen live I get cricket ..... grrrrr!

[david1610]

See the wind moving the spectators' hair, not to mention the flag.
Andy is going to have to accept the conditions and adjust, of course. No painting the lines for a few games.
You can do this. So do it.
C'mon Andy!

[Manaus]

You can do it Andy! :cheer:

[Niknak's Mum]

Phew .... got ahead of myself, it's on now. C'MON ANDY :swingin:

[banskogirl]

Hi everyone :) thought I would miss half of this match! Can anyone give me a live stream that's working? Can't get any to open on LShunter!

[ljs]

cmon Andy !!!!! gosh so nervous now

[RFS]

Screw shorthand vocab ... In front of Monster HD TV and planning takeaway at 6 .... COME ON ANDY!!!!

[Manaus]

Hi everyone :) thought I would miss half of this match! Can anyone give me a live stream that's working? Can't get any to open on LShunter!

Stream here (http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/10904002899030.html)

[JAMES4578]

Come on, let's go Andy!

[rainy days]

Come on Andy!!

[david1610]

Focus and safe hold please.
C'mon Andy!

[RFS]

Jeez that just flew with the wind ...

[Manaus]

DF for Andy, already nervous. :sofa:

[Murray_Mania86]

Come on Andy...

Let's hope he can play the best he can given the conditions.

[HoopGirl]

Ace ::)

[Sallydaisy]

Muzzah mutter:
"There are 3 of us in this match, Berdy, Windy and Me."

[Linda]

Got here just in time :)

[traveller7]

Finally got a stream, very windy out there not nice conditions at all!

[HoopGirl]

40 30

[davech]

Nice hold!

[HoopGirl]

1 game all

[Manaus]

1-1, really windy out there.

[david1610]

One service game each. Now it will be interesting to see Birdy serving into the wind.
C'mon Andy!

[KnightOwl]

I keep thinking there's an aeroplane going past, but it's just the wind on the effects mike!

[RFS]

I keep thinking there's an aeroplane going past, but it's just the wind on the effects mike!
In fairness I think that was a plane just now ... But yeah that looks bree.zee.

[KnightOwl]

Yeah, there was one just now, but not when I started typing ;)

[david1610]

Even allowing for the wind, very noticeable how Andy is already varying the depth of the shot to not give Birdy regular rhythm.
C'mon Andy!

[Helen40]

Why does Radio 5 Live say it has live commentary of the match and then when I click listen live I get cricket ..... grrrrr!
It's on five live now - I think 5LSX has cricket.

[rondun]

I keep thinking there's an aeroplane going past, but it's just the wind on the effects mike!There are planes too, you're not hearing things!

[Manaus]

BP for Andy, please get it!

[davech]

Well he's a nice early break point.

[Sallydaisy]

There are planes too, you're not hearing things!
Yep, I deffo heard a plane during Andy's service game.

Breakpoint to Andy.

[-J-]

little glimmer
cmonnnnnnnnnnn

[RFS]

Yeah, there was one just now, but not when I started typing ;)
No I know what you mean but when those jets went overheard, they sounded like they were going to land on the court!!!

[davech]

As Boris says, it's not going to be pretty today. Can't believe I just agreed with Mr. Becker.

[KnightOwl]

No I know what you mean but when those jets went overheard, they sounded like they were going to land on the court!!!

Hmm...might be a little bit distracting :big grin:

[supergran]

No I know what you mean but when those jets went overheard, they sounded like they were going to land on the court!!!JFK is in Queens so taking off will be loud.

[-J-]

gifted a little glimmer
cmonnnnnnn

[Sallydaisy]

I keep thinking there's an aeroplane going past, but it's just the wind on the effects mike!
The commies agree with you KO!
;)

Douglas Robson ‏@dougrobson (https://twitter.com/dougrobson) You can hear the strong wind bellowing through the on court mic



Anyone know who the Eurosport commies are?
I think it's Frew McMillan but don't recognise t'other.

[RFS]

He's on the ropes - break!!!

[-J-]

glimmering again
cmonnnnnnn

[KnightOwl]

JFK is in Queens so taking off will be loud.

I remember when we went to the USO a couple of years ago, I could hardly believe how many planes went overhead - dozens of them! Much more than you realise watching on TV...

[Manaus]

BP #2, this time Andy!

[-J-]

chance
bp
cmonnnnnnnnnnn

[davech]

Great play to force another bp!

[supergran]

Come on andy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnightOwl]

Brilliant from Berdy there, gotta say - c'mon Andy!!

[Sallydaisy]

Good save from Berdy - back to Deuce.
Come on Andy.

[-J-]

chance
bp
cmonnnnnnnnnnnn

[Manaus]

BP #3, get it Andy!

[Sallydaisy]

Ad Andy again ..... come on crowd, such as you are, cheer on our Muzzah!!!!!!

[hfwardhouse]

:yahoo: kitkat :yahoo:

[Sallydaisy]

Yesssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[-J-]

kitkat :boogie:

[Manaus]

Break in the bag!!!! :cheer:
Now the very important hold.

[banskogirl]

yeah go Andy!!!!

[KnightOwl]

Yippee! Great stuff :big grin:

[davech]

There's the break! 2-1 Andy.

[Murray_Mania86]

Far from pretty but a break none the less for our boy. :)

[supergran]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[rainy days]

Yay!

[Helen40]

Yes!!!

[traveller7]

Yes gets an early break go Andy

[-J-]

only one job now andy
FOCUS ,SAFE HOLD & CONSOLIDATE
CMONNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Linda]

KitKat! :cheer:

[Mandiemoo]

Thanks to manaus for stream. Cant believe how windy it is!

[rainy days]

Far from pretty but a break none the less for our boy. :)

I think it's the wind...

[Bardot]

These conditions are making it almost farcical. They should just play a match tie-break and be done with it. ;) Holding serve is going to be as difficult if not more than breaking serve.

[david1610]

Well done Andy!
Now perhaps the key indicator as Andy has to serve into the wind and we have the set of four games, with each having then served at each end.
Think the new message has to be:
Fair wind please. C'mon Andy!

[-J-]

far from pretty but a break none the less for our boy. :)i thaught it was a thing of beauty my self ;)

[Helen40]

5 live keeps on going onto other sports :grrr:

[KnightOwl]

Nicely typical Boris comment there - wondering why this talented Czech "doesn't win more grand slams" slight pause then "...or any" :)

[banskogirl]

ah has everyones stream gone off?

[rondun]

I remember when we went to the USO a couple of years ago, I could hardly believe how many planes went overhead - dozens of them! Much more than you realise watching on TV...La Guardia is next to Flushing Meadows too so you'll have planes in/out of there too.
Think they usually get dispensation to minimise overflights during the USO, but probably can't today because of the weather.

[traveller7]

ah has everyones stream gone off?

Yep!

[Manaus]

ah has everyones stream gone off?

Yeah, it just died, new one below:

Stream (http://lsh.lshunter.tv/static/popups/10904002899140.html)

[Murray_Mania86]

Come on Andy.. Hang Tough!!

[Sallydaisy]

ah has everyones stream gone off?
Yep, mine just stopped. Madly searching for a replacement.

[banskogirl]

Nicely typical Boris comment there - wondering why this talented Czech "doesn't win more grand slams" slight pause then "...or any" :)

still quick for Boris ;)

[RFS]

La Guardia is next to Flushing Meadows too so you'll have planes in/out of there too.
Think they usually get dispensation to minimise overflights during the USO, but probably can't today because of the weather.
In fact it is more likely to be La Guardia we can hear given the proximity - isn't JFK the other side of the city/state? I've always flown into JFK ....

[-J-]

Focus andy