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themass15
14-11-2016, 07:04
Enjoyed yesterday afternoon much more than I thought I would. Shame Dominic could not get the W though.
RosieBear
14-11-2016, 08:42
I enjoyed yesterday afternoon too. I was a bit hopeful for Domi because Novak really struggles with an in form Stan, and an in form Dom plays in a very similar way, but unfortunately Dom couldn't sustain the level. There was a lot of love for Dom in the arena - he's a very nice guy and deserves it - but think much of it was vicarious support for Andy. The crowd was so much for Dom that five utterly adorable little Indian boys who were sitting in front of me started feeling sorry for Novak and began cheering 'C'mon Domovic' as a compromise! Had to rush away afterwards, so unfortunately didn't have time to meet other AMFFers. Hope everyone who is going during the week has a lovely time.
roytennisfan
14-11-2016, 09:14
On this form, I think there is every likelihood that Raonic will beat Djoko.
I agree, Raonic was not only serving better but also hitting much quicker lower and with more topspin. Sitting courtside, the difference was significant
Rosalind
14-11-2016, 10:19
I was just along from Roy and good to chat afterwards. Wonderful seat with Raonic serves scarily close. I agree that Raonic looked in form. He will go through with Djokovic I'm sure. Yes, the crowd were shouting for Dom and I'm sure it was mainly due to the ranking situation.
It was nice of Raonic to show up with shoes that, should the floodlights have all gone out, we'd still have been able to see him! :)
For those going today, enjoy and I'm looking forward to Wednesday when I'm back.
Okay folks, I need to know who to cheer for in this match - what do you think is the best case scenario for Andy fans today - a win for Stan or a win for Kei?
themass15
14-11-2016, 14:58
A win for Kei, but this is a hard one to call.
A win for Kei, but this is a hard one to call.
Well good, as my inclination would be to support Kei anyway and it looks as though a Kei win might happen!
Kei made that look easy. Was it Stan playing badly do you think or Kei playing brilliantly?
Only impressive thing Wawrinka did was refusing an interview after the match. ;)
Jamie & Bruno are on the practice court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvIBde5q2lk
JAMES4578
14-11-2016, 16:00
Certainly Kei impressive but Stan never really got going and will want to improve somewhat. Raonic was strong last night and could pose a challenge to Djokovic if still below par, however Milos has had some poor performances against the former world no1.
Only impressive thing Wawrinka did was refusing an interview after the match. ;)
Apparently he was contracted to give this interview. The result was ironic after they played the interview after the first set about his inconsistency.
sir coolerking
14-11-2016, 16:41
Is he struggling with a knee injury? I'm wondering if Goffin might get a game or two this week.
Both he an nishi had strapping kid's ankle and Stan's knee
david1610
14-11-2016, 17:12
Have not read the thread completely but has the scenario been mentioned yet of a SEMI FINAL showdown between Andy and Djoko, presuming they both get through? That might involve one of them losing one match. Personally, my hope is Andy keeps the no. 1 ranking and anything else is a bonus.
themass15
14-11-2016, 17:15
We all hope he can do that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZFMHosOFRc
I spotted this from an earlier link posted on here.
First thing that went through my head was,
the other two pose more of a threat.
After the Keii match today looks like I may be right.
david1610
14-11-2016, 21:49
Round robin note: That result means Andy and Ken have exactly the same number of sets and games. Points I do not know!
themass15
14-11-2016, 21:52
According to Sky Andy is on top of the group.
The group standings are based, in order of priority, on:
Number of wins
Number of matches played
If only two players are tied the winner of their round-robin match
If three players are tied it gets a bit more complicated. In this case:
i) If three players have one win apply 1), 2) and 3) above or
ii) Highest percentage of sets won or
iii) Highest percentage of games won.
If i), ii) and iii) produce one superior player or one inferior player and the other two are still tied, then the head to head result between the two tied players makes the final determination.
Sallydaisy
14-11-2016, 22:30
Wednesday's OOP:
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser (https://twitter.com/stu_fraser) 6m6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/stu_fraser/status/798289607087521792) WEDNESDAY SCHEDULE:
Afternoon - Kontinen/Peers v Klaasen/Ram, Murray v Nishikori
Evening - Herbert/Mahut v Lopez/Lopez, Wawrinka v Cilic
Why the heck is Bouncy pronouncing Domi's name as Tee-em? :barmy: It's like he's never heard of him before.
Monfils has said he would like Andy to win the WTF so if he's as injured as he appears, I hope he withdraws and lets Goffin play Djokovic.
I can see how Thiem won the Tie Break Tens, he's a one set wonder. ;)
Not for the first time is the doubles providing better entertainment than the singles. If Djokovic beats Raonic then he tops the group and Monfils is out and they'll play each other in a dead tie which will probably be the most entertaining match of the week. ;)
Monfils said he'll decide in the next few hours whether he'll play his final match against Djokovic. His injury is worse after today's match.
themass15
15-11-2016, 17:34
Thought La Monf was injured. I thought he was going to pull out after the 1st set. All those double faults. Had a nice Birthday afternoon with Jackie though. On another note is anyone going on Thursday? I have tickets for both sessions.
If Djokovic beats Raonic then he tops the group and Monfils is out and they'll play each other in a dead tie which will probably be the most entertaining match of the week. ;)
Wouldn't Goffin step in to play the last RR match in that group or is that not allowed when there's only one match left?
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 19:58
Good luck Milos Raonic! :peace::peace::peace: Don't be shy, Milos, rain the aces down on Novak (nobody will be calling you boring tonight if you do ;)). C'mon! :cheer:
I assume I am supporting Milos tonight. Him winning is best for Mr M?
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 20:08
Wish they would introduce Novak as the world no 2 instead of glossing over it :rolling:
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 20:09
I assume I am supporting Milos tonight. Him winning is best for Mr M?
Definitely Teresa. Just think of this tournament as a race. Andy has to finish it ahead of Novak. Novak missing out on 200 points with a RR loss would definitely help Andy.
Would likely mean a semi-final shootout between the two.
Ok - not that supporting anyone other than Djokovic will be difficult for me.
You get greedy. Mr M reaching No 1 was all I asked for a few days ago, now I want him to end the year as No 1.
I was reflecting this morning on the year he has had since Wimbledon. So many amazing moments, but him getting to carry the flag at Rio is probably my top favourite.
banskogirl
15-11-2016, 20:15
Definitely Teresa. Just think of this tournament as a race. Andy has to finish it ahead of Novak. Novak missing out on 200 points with a RR loss would definitely help Andy.
Would likely mean a semi-final shootout between the two.
Hmmm so we want Nole to lose tonight and then Andy to wallop him in the semis? The usual plan?
I'm not sure whether it would be better for Andy to meet Djokovic in the semis or the final - what does everyone else think?
banskogirl
15-11-2016, 20:21
I'm not sure whether it would be better for Andy to meet Djokovic in the semis or the final - what does everyone else think?
I think Andy is so determined at the minute that he is going to beat Nole so the sooner the less points for Nole. Just my idea anyway :)
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 20:33
I'm not sure whether it would be better for Andy to meet Djokovic in the semis or the final - what does everyone else think?
I'm with BG, the semis - ideally after Novak has lost a RR. Want Andy to win all RR and final, pick up full points and start 2017 as far ahead of Novak as possible.
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 20:38
But you know what - I'm not automatically putting Novak through his group. He's looking pretty mediocre. For me, this tournament was never about tougher or easier groups - more about who is the form player - that's Andy, not Novak. Nobody worries me about Andy and conversely think anyone has a chance against Novak.
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:04
Looking like a TB. As on Sunday I'm not bowled over by Djok's performance. Let's see how he copes at the sharp end of the set
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 21:16
Argh - if Raonic had challenged that missed shot by Novak he would have won the set :sad: C'mon!
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:18
Argh - if Raonic had challenged that missed shot by Novak he would have won the set :sad: C'mon!
I knowwwww. I was screaming at him to challenge
banskogirl
15-11-2016, 21:19
I'm only able to watch on live score, I'm happy enough with that if Nole is going to win. Hoping Milos goes for it though!
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 21:19
Ugh :facepalm:
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:20
Gutted, Raonic could've won that set
JAMES4578
15-11-2016, 21:23
Certainly tight set and some entertaining tennis,Milos playing well for most part but failed to capitalise on a few chances. Nole not exactly brilliant in stages but seems to be gaining confidence and finding better form.
Very exciting tiebreak but the wrong result!
Feels like Novak is getting some confidence back after Milos pretty much threw that set away!
Servebot does not compute challenge, Servebot deactivated. :facepalm:
Another match that is seemingly depressing in its inevitability. Raonic is doing his best, but I am not convinced he has come out believing he can win,
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:41
great point, great winner. C'mon Milos
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:42
At the very least let's hope Milos takes this to three and tires Djok out a bit. Djok very irritated to lose the break
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 21:46
He's never going to be a Jamie Murray at the net is he (Milos that is)? Bleh Djok breaks again
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:00
Maybe it's not over afterall. Djok having a wobble?
Has broken back and held. There is still hope.
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 22:03
C'mon Canuck - break him - let's go! :cheer:
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:03
Djok ignoring the TV changeovers rule I see
6:5 to Raonic. Djokovic looks like there are a hundred other places he would rather be. He is enduring this match rather than enjoying it.
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:14
:sofa:
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:15
Wobblevic
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 22:18
Blarghhh , Novak is so there for the taking in this match/tournament - just got to step up and nail it. C'mon Raonic!!
Mandiemoo
15-11-2016, 22:22
A third set, I think we'd like that. C'mon Milos!
david1610
15-11-2016, 22:26
Raonic really has a bit of a mental block about beating Djokovic doesn't he... let's see 5-4 to him on second set tiebreak.
A big, big choke from Raonic.
Good grief! How many chances Raonic? I hope Crofty tells Raonic about the missed challenge in the first set, he deserves to know.
Raonic bottles the interview. :rolleyes:
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Djokovic was damned lucky to get away with that.
Mandiemoo
15-11-2016, 22:30
Tut. You had him on the ropes Milos! I can see the weird scooping celebration that's going on, yuck. Over to you Andy...
RosieBear
15-11-2016, 22:31
:facepalm: Ok, Novak played a few excellent points under pressure, but if Milos had kept his cool on the big points a bit better, he could, and I feel should, have won that match .
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:31
Disappointing from Raonic but Djok still vulnerable at times
JAMES4578
15-11-2016, 22:31
Djokovic takes both breakers and through to the semis, inconsistent but some good shotmaking. Milos though will rue the missed opportunities,didn't quite have the belief in the key moments.
Mind you in all fairness I think we can blame a certain Mr Murray for giving him a good duffing up a couple of times this year......... It can't have been good for his confidence.
Raonic had lots of chances, could not take them. Djok made numerous errors. Frustrating to say the least.
:facepalm: Ok, Novak played a few excellent points under pressure, but if Milos had kept his cool on the big points a bit better, he could, and I feel should, have won that match .
That is the first time I have actually enjoyed watching Milos play, not the result we wanted, but have to agree with RB!!!:thumbup:
Should I do that as well:facepalm:;)
Djokovic tops his group so Andy knows what is required if he wants to avoid him in the SF.
Gael might as well play the 3rd match now and go into exho mode.
lovetennis
15-11-2016, 22:38
So Djok has won his group I see. Wanting Andy to win his group (obviously) so he can't play Djok until the final, for which I have a ticket.
The difference in winners between Djokovic & Raonic! :facepalm:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxVlBMfXEAAgLbz.jpg
Hmmm. Shan't bother to watch the recording then. But at least Andy is playing second and so knows what he has to do tomorrow.
RoastLamb
15-11-2016, 22:45
Oh Milos!!! Honestly. So many great chances in that match.
themass15
15-11-2016, 22:57
Gael might as well play the 3rd match now and go into exho mode.
Depends on the extent of his injury.
goldfish
15-11-2016, 23:31
Gael might as well play the 3rd match now and go into exho mode.
If there is any chance of Goffin beating Novak, then I'd prefer him to play and try to restrict Novak's points.
Servebot speak for he's devastated. ;)
Emotionally, I'm a little bit upset. But it passes over quick.
He's trying to convince himself he lost to the old Novak.
He's pretty much where he's always been. Maybe he slips up on three points rather than 1/2 now.
It's the only way to think, Milos.
I don't think it (head-to-head) makes as much of a difference as people think.
Josephine
16-11-2016, 00:00
Novak in the semis - tops his easier group. Surely will win all 3 matches.
Making it tough for Andy. Novak has something to aim for now, having achieved everything.
Has Raonic been himself since Wimbledon? I know he has been injured but it seems more than that to me.
Has Raonic been himself since Wimbledon? I know he has been injured but it seems more than that to me.
I think Raonic played the reputation, not the man. He handed that match to Djokovic on a plate. Raonic seems to be able to "talk the talk", but not "walk the walk". I think that was one one worst matches I have seen him play. He had so many opportunities, but let them all go.
I don't think Djokovic played that well, and he certainly didn't look that happy. His guru isn't to doing much for his inner peace.
sir coolerking
16-11-2016, 08:17
If Raonic had bothered to challenge the tight line call in the tie break (when he had 4 still available) he'd have won the first set. Instead of 6-6, he's won it 7-5. It might have given him more belief for the 2nd set too, because that match was lost in the mind, not on the court.
I think Raonic played the reputation, not the man. He handed that match to Djokovic on a plate. Raonic seems to be able to "talk the talk", but not "walk the walk". I think that was one one worst matches I have seen him play. He had so many opportunities, but let them all go.
I don't think Djokovic played that well, and he certainly didn't look that happy. His guru isn't to doing much for his inner peace.
No, and if it had been Andy playing him there is no way Andy would have let all those opportunities go. Andy would have thrashed him. Looking forward to that maybe happening soon. It wasn't so much a case of Djok saving the break points well, as Milos playing them badly and not able to convert.
Djokovic tops his group so Andy knows what is required if he wants to avoid him in the SF.
Hmmm .... not sure if it would be better for Andy to play him in the semi tbh. But whenever they play, Andy can 100% beat him!
I'm hoping Murray and djoko meet in the final :) Andy will beat him anyway :) also hoping raonic gets to the semi. Don't really mind out of kei and Marin. Just not Stan because I want milos to get the WN #3 ranking :)
Monfils has withdrawn and Goffin will play Djokovic tomorrow.
sloveniadave
16-11-2016, 20:25
Monfils has withdrawn and Goffin will play Djokovic tomorrow.
A fit and fresh Goffin should extend Djokovic more than a half-fit Monfils. Hopefully he can pinch a set and keep him on court for a couple of hours or more.
RosieBear
16-11-2016, 20:30
A fit and fresh Goffin should extend Djokovic more than a half-fit Monfils. Hopefully he can pinch a set and keep him on court for a couple of hours or more.
Hopefully young Goffin can do even better and actually win. That would be 200 less points for Novak.
Goffin has pushed Novak very close before, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
There's also $179,000 for Goff to play for.
roytennisfan
16-11-2016, 20:56
Monfils has withdrawn and Goffin will play Djokovic tomorrow.
Really pleased for Goff but sorry I will.not be there to support him. Hope there are plenty of Brits to cheer him to victory, that would be so nice.
HoopGirl
16-11-2016, 21:36
Wawrinkas not listening to our entreatments so far!
HoopGirl
16-11-2016, 22:08
It would be nice for Andy to have a straightforward passage through to the semifinals!
Come on Cilic!
Okay, so Andy will just have to beat Stan on Friday then.
So Stan takes it in straight sets; what does this mean for Andy now?
Cilic now 0/5 at the 02, thanks for coming Marin. :rolleyes: So Nishikori gets the also ran & Andy plays the one fighting for his life on Friday.
goldfish
16-11-2016, 22:39
Nothing and nobody are helping Andy out in these finals. He's going to have to win the very hardest way possible.
Rats!
Mind you Andy beat Kei who beat Stan who beat Cilic whom Andy beat......
OK......:cauldron:
Josephine
16-11-2016, 22:40
So Djokovic already won his easy group after 2 matches. No pressure on next match.
Andy not even qualified for semis yet in his much harder group. And has to beat the world no 3 to be sure to go through. After today's exhausting match. So the harder group has made a difference. Even if andy gets through he will be a lot more tired out than Djokovic.
What is it with Andy and many other British sports people that they have to fight tooth and nail to get or stay at the to.example other than Andy is Lewis Hamilton this yea. Only Mercedes engine to have problem. I still don't understand the scoring in this tournament.
According to twitter Andy "just" needs a set against Wawrinka to qualify but not sure that would mean he tops the group.
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again......A few years back Nole managed to win the Oz Open via 2 epic matches compared to which Andy has just had a jog around the park. If you want to be top you have to be able to play under whatever conditions present.
It was always going to be a toughie given the draw and Stan will be out to win on Friday for sure, just a question of whether Andy has enough in the tank for another battle.
The scheduling will be interesting on Friday. You'd think Andy would be in the evening as both players still have a chance to qualify.
So Djokovic already won his easy group after 2 matches. No pressure on next match.
Andy not even qualified for semis yet in his much harder group. And has to beat the world no 3 to be sure to go through. After today's exhausting match. So the harder group has made a difference. Even if andy gets through he will be a lot more tired out than Djokovic.
And Andy has to play Friday-Saturday-Sunday if he wants to win, while Nole gets a day off on Friday!
Stuart Fraser @stu_fraser
Basically the only way Andy Murray can be eliminated is if he loses in straight sets and Kei Nishikori beats Marin Cilic.
Another way of saying if Nishikori beats Cilic then Wawrinka must beat Andy in straight sets to qualify. We're going to have to cheer for Cilic again. :facepalm:
If it's an afternoon match, I'll miss it, might not be a bad thing for my bp as I found today mega stressful, took a couple of hours - and a couple of drinks - for my heart to stop pounding!
themass15
16-11-2016, 23:11
I was there this afternoon with Jackie and it was one of the most stressful matches (if not the most) I have witnessed live. Just bought a ticket for Friday evening thinking it would be Andy so if any AMFF's want to say hello I am in Block 110 Row E289. Not too bad a price for a Viagogo ticket but no doubt it would be cheaper now Andy's playing in the afternoon!
Another way of saying if Nishikori beats Cilic then Wawrinka must beat Andy in straight sets to qualify. We're going to have to cheer for Cilic again. :facepalm:
Not if Andy beats Stan in the afternoon!
They're doing Andy no favours by scheduling his match first and not just because of having less recovery time. If Cilic had beaten Nishikori in an afternoon match then Andy would have known he'd already qualified when he played Wawrinka in the evening. If Andy loses to Wawrinka in 2 sets then Cilic must beat Nishikori for Andy to qualify in second place behind Wawrinka. If Andy loses to Wawrinka in 3 sets and Nishikori beats Cilic in 2 sets, Nishikori tops the group with Andy second. If Nishikori wins in 3 sets then Andy tops the group with Nishikori second.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxa1F0LXUAU6qtC.jpg
exislander
17-11-2016, 00:16
But playing first on Friday will give him more recovery time before his next match on Saturday - assuming he does go through - which is a good thing?
If Andy's match had been scheduled in the evening then you're guaranteed two live matches but now if Andy wins in the afternoon the result of the evening match is irrelevant to qualification as Nishikori is guaranteed second place in the group.
WimbledonWestie
17-11-2016, 08:00
But playing first on Friday will give him more recovery time before his next match on Saturday - assuming he does go through - which is a good thing?
I think so. Even if he'd played at night knowing he was through he wd still want to win for the ranking points.
sir coolerking
17-11-2016, 08:16
If Andy loses to Wawrinka in 3 sets and Nishikori beats Cilic in 2 sets, Nishikori tops the group with Andy second. If Nishikori wins in 3 sets then Andy tops the group with Nishikori second.
If Andy loses in 3 and Nishikori wins in two, won't it come down to games won as they'll have identical sets?
Whoever Djoko faces in the semis - be it Andy, Kei or Stan - will be a far more difficult prospect than he has had to face so far.
Josephine
17-11-2016, 08:51
Precisely. He was in the easy group.
If Andy loses in 3 and Nishikori wins in two, won't it come down to games won as they'll have identical sets?
Andy will have played two 3 set matches whereas Nishikori will have played only one.
As we speak, Andy is on court practising according to a 3 second video from the Canuck. (https://twitter.com/GregRusedski1/status/799183997859467264) He's a beast! (Andy not Rusedski :p)
sir coolerking
17-11-2016, 11:11
Whoever Djoko faces in the semis - be it Andy, Kei or Stan - will be a far more difficult prospect than he has had to face so far.
Stan (on form) seems to give Novak more problems than virtually anyone else, I think he'll be rooting for Andy tomorrow afternoon.
RosieBear
17-11-2016, 12:20
Reading the thread, I see some folk are still on the moan-a-rama about the (completely unchangeable) tough and easy groups.;) The difference between Novak going through after two wins (1 x 3 set, 1 x straight sets) while Andy has not simply boils down to what the members of their respective groups have done in their matches. Easier and harder doesn't come in to that - but don't let that stop you!:)
Although it was quite stressful yesterday, actually the harder Andy has to fight to get to the trophy on Sunday then the less all the detractors will be able to throw to try and lessen the achievement. Yes, Andy's group has seemed more difficult. Yes, he's having to dig deep - but that's nothing new. How much more of a victory it will seem on Sunday with no doubt at all about #1 and another gleaming trophy for the cabinet. And although that's what we all want to happen, if somehow it doesn't - well, its going to happen very early in 2017 :) Keep calm everyone!
Although it was quite stressful yesterday, actually the harder Andy has to fight to get to the trophy on Sunday then the less all the detractors will be able to throw to try and lessen the achievement. Yes, Andy's group has seemed more difficult. Yes, he's having to dig deep - but that's nothing new. How much more of a victory it will seem on Sunday with no doubt at all about #1 and another gleaming trophy for the cabinet. And although that's what we all want to happen, if somehow it doesn't - well, its going to happen very early in 2017 :) Keep calm everyone!
And just ignore the press!
Reading the thread, I see some folk are still on the moan-a-rama about the (completely unchangeable) tough and easy groups.;) The difference between Novak going through after two wins (1 x 3 set, 1 x straight sets) while Andy has not simply boils down to what the members of their respective groups have done in their matches. Easier and harder doesn't come in to that - but don't let that stop you!:)
.... and then there's the "how tired Andy will be" mantra. His last match was long and tough .... for a 3 setter. But the guy is a beast for goodness sake, he trains to be fit for 5 hour 5 set matches!! I know it's the end of the season but there is no-one fitter than Andy. He can handle it.
As Mrs P said earlier, remember when Novak beat Andy in 4 hours something in the AO semi then beat Nadal in 5 hours something in the final. This is a sprint compared to that. And this is only the same as the latter stages of a masters event. The final here used to be 5 sets, which personally I wish it still was but that's another matter entirely.
And as it's end of season, 'tiredness' will affect all players.
RosieBear
17-11-2016, 14:18
Am backing lovely Goffin to win today - he's always had the talent to beat Novak, and just feel this may be the perfect setting for him to fulfill that talent - a relatively unpressurized match for him knowing he can't qualify. All pressure on Novak who wants the points.
I like him too, but not hopeful he will beat Novak, who (worryingly) appears to be on a mission this week.
No hope of that at the moment. Djokovic has taken the first set 6-1. C one on coffin. Why do they not believe they can beat him but think they can our Andy
LC the fan
17-11-2016, 14:55
Well, he hasn't made the best start - 1-6 in the first set. Pity , lets hope he relaxes and gives Novak something to think about. Tend to think Reef is right - Novak is on a mission - fortunately so is Andy
He is on 2 missions 1to get back no1 and to get the love of the people. Never going happen
LC the fan
17-11-2016, 15:01
He is on 2 missions 1to get back no1 and to get the love of the people. Never going happen
Sorry - but I think he won over 'the people' starting 4 years ago and increasingly (and deservedly) more so every year. Yhe reception he got at the 02 this year (not normally an Andy adoring crowd) was heart warming
sir coolerking
17-11-2016, 15:02
He is on 2 missions 1to get back no1 and to get the love of the people. Never going happen
If he stopped doing that vomit inducing heart pouring celebration it might help.
RosieBear
17-11-2016, 15:04
Oh this is just dismal from Goffin. C'mon David - where is the electrifying shot making, that produced such a thriller against Andy in Shanghai? Can play sooo much better - let's go, step it up!
RosieBear
17-11-2016, 15:10
Can't watch this, poor Goffin like a rabbit in the headlights. Andy can look after himself, so forget Novak/points, just really sad Goff's not doing himself justice at this prestigious event. You belong Goff, c'mon, fire up as Andy would say!
Rosalind
17-11-2016, 15:12
Novak had an easy group imo. Well far easier than Andy anyway.
Coming up against Andy will be different.
Goffin receives $100,000 appearance fee as an alternate. Maybe he should use it to refund the ticket holders for this match. :rolleyes: If only it had been Bautista Agut, at least he has a victory over Djokovic unlike the rest in his group.
Djokovic throwing his racquet! There's still hope. ;)
LaMonf couldn't have done much worse injured...
LC the fan
17-11-2016, 15:19
Sorry - but I think he won over 'the people' starting 4 years ago and increasingly (and deservedly) more so every year. Yhe reception he got at the 02 this year (not normally an Andy adoring crowd) was heart warming
SORRY I thought you meant Andy which is why I replied quickly and shortly. I should have known better. apologies
Josephine
17-11-2016, 15:28
just in. How bloody annoying this all is. Djoko not disappearing or fallen out of love with tennis or all the rest of it.
Horrible the way the groups worked out.
Well that was a bit dire. Goffin should have done better than that. If Djokovic is being restored to his normal state I am just very glad, that Mr M has got the number 1 slot on his record. Not that I don't think Mr M can beat Djokovic, I just think it is going to be hard, given the tougher group, and just how much more tennis Mr M has played recently.
sir coolerking
17-11-2016, 15:39
Even if Andy doesn't hold on to the Number 1 this week, Djokovic has so many points to defend between Jan and June next year he's going to find it very difficult if not impossible to stay there.
That is actually my concern that fatigue will set in. But he does have a greater chance at the beginning of next year this was in reply to Teresa's post
RosieBear
17-11-2016, 15:46
ANDY for YEAR END NUMBER 1!!!!!!! #alwaysbelieve #longwaytogoyet #haveyouneverwatchedhim! :tennis::cheer::jitterbug::GBflag::superman:
Djoko has not been tested at all this week. Thiem was overawed by the occasion, Raonic choked and Goffin just didn't turn up - how lucky can he be? He'll find life much more difficult in the next round - on this form, I'm not convinced he'll make the final.
dewster99
17-11-2016, 15:57
Milos should've beaten Nole and Thiem had his chances. I think whoever faces him in the semis has a real chance (hoping Kei). He's still far from top form
In the event that the Cilic/Nishikori match becomes relevant ;) Cilic has beaten Nishikori in their last two meetings, in the final of Basel last month 6-1 7-6(5) and the fourth round of Wimbledon although due to Nishikori's retirement when down 1-6 1-5. Kei leads the H2H 7-5.
Nishikori practising to receive Cilic's serve.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxeHv4_XEAASAHo.jpg
Josephine
17-11-2016, 16:41
Milos should've beaten Nole and Thiem had his chances. I think whoever faces him in the semis has a real chance (hoping Kei). He's still far from top form
That's the same as saying Nishikori should have beaten Andy or he had his chances. The stronger player won and same for Novak.
patmoren
17-11-2016, 17:00
I hope Andy beats Novak this week. He has had such an easy run through the round robin stages. I felt really sorry for David Goffin, he did his best but mentally it was very hard having to play Djokovic as your only opponent of the tournament. I hope Stan gets through 2nd in the group because he can really trouble Djokovic.
Djoko has not been tested at all this week. Thiem was overawed by the occasion, Raonic choked and Goffin just didn't turn up - how lucky can he be? He'll find life much more difficult in the next round - on this form, I'm not convinced he'll make the final.
Does anyone else think Djok was woeful today? It was not a pretty match though it must have been hard for Goffin, being dropped into the competition like he was, to capitalise. Shame.
In the event that the Cilic/Nishikori match becomes relevant ;) Cilic has beaten Nishikori in their last two meetings, in the final of Basel last month 6-1 7-6(5) and the fourth round of Wimbledon although due to Nishikori's retirement when down 1-6 1-5. Kei leads the H2H 7-5.
Nishikori practising to receive Cilic's serve.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxeHv4_XEAASAHo.jpg
That made me laugh out loud! Unfortunately I was not in a quiet private place but in a rather public waiting room! I got a few rare looks! :shamed:
I hope Andy beats Novak this week. He has had such an easy run through the round robin stages. I felt really sorry for David Goffin, he did his best but mentally it was very hard having to play Djokovic as your only opponent of the tournament. I hope Stan gets through 2nd in the group because he can really trouble Djokovic.
I don't think you do as it will mean Andy's out and Nishikori wins the group. ;)
I don't think you do as it will mean Andy's out and Nishikori wins the group. ;)
If Kei beats Cilic!
If Kei beats Cilic!
The only way Wawrinka can finish second in the group is if he beats Andy in straight sets and Nishikori beats Cilic in straight sets and they both qualify. There are no combination of results which will lead to Andy topping the group with Wawrinka second.
lovetennis
17-11-2016, 19:04
So I gather that although Djok gave Goffin a thrashing, he wasn't full of cheer? Not exactly sure what it's going to take for him to enjoy it, seeing as he's had an easy ride to the semi.
Gutted I'm going to miss Andy v Stan tomorrow - can't even get out of work early. Grrrrr will have to watch the recording again
So I gather that although Djok gave Goffin a thrashing, he wasn't full of cheer? Not exactly sure what it's going to take for him to enjoy it, seeing as he's had an easy ride to the semi.
Gutted I'm going to miss Andy v Stan tomorrow - can't even get out of work early. Grrrrr will have to watch the recording again
Sending you a boob thrust to help console you! Need an new emoticon for that one! ;)
Keeptheheid
17-11-2016, 20:31
I too will miss part of Andy's match as I have to work as well, will record it and try and have a wee look at the scores from time to time if possible, for all you lucky people who will be at the O2, hope its great, gee it lalldy (cheer loudly) for our Andy.
roytennisfan
17-11-2016, 20:38
Do we know which semi final Novak and Jamie/Bruno are in for winning their Groups, or is it drawn/announced later?
As they topped their groups they play the runners up from the other group, so they won't know until tomorrow ............................ I think!
roytennisfan
17-11-2016, 20:49
Yes thanks, I knew they will play runners up from tomorrow, I was just checking if I am correct in thinking they could be drawn to play either daytime or evening sessions and if so, does anyone knows when it will be announced?
Okay - sorry, I should have realised that. I don't think it's been announced yet.
I'm guessing they will wait and see what the semi matches will be before they decide who plays when ..... can't wait! I'm finally going to be there! It's been 4 years since I went to the O2!
Pedwards14
17-11-2016, 22:46
He's going well. Just hope that he can see off the unpredictable Stan Wawrinka Friday afternoon
themass15
17-11-2016, 23:12
Have been there all day today. Afternoon was disappointing but Jamie & Bruno got the job done and Thiem put up a decent fight in the first set. All those seeing Andy tomorrow afternoon, cheer him to the rafters. Don't expect I will see him again unless he makes the final as I have tickets for tomorrow evening and first semi on Saturday. Yawn, yawn Djokovic again no doubt.
Have been there all day today. Afternoon was disappointing but Jamie & Bruno got the job done and Thiem put up a decent fight in the first set. All those seeing Andy tomorrow afternoon, cheer him to the rafters. Don't expect I will see him again unless he makes the final as I have tickets for tomorrow evening and first semi on Saturday. Yawn, yawn Djokovic again no doubt.
I think that if Andy wins today he will be in the first semi to allow nisikori to have time to recover. Wavrinka cannot go through second to Murray according to calculations. Could also be some BBC pressure. Apart from Wednesday afternoon matches have been poor.
dewster99
18-11-2016, 08:02
That's the same as saying Nishikori should have beaten Andy or he had his chances. The stronger player won and same for Novak.
Nishikori didn't choke, Raonic did. It was on his racket
I agree. Nishikori played a fantastic match and fought to the end. Raonic could, and probably should, have beaten a below par Djokovic.
Josephine
18-11-2016, 09:34
So you can say Nishikori should have won - if you look at the stats on the Newspaper page - it is hard to see how he did NOT win!
No, I wouldn't say Kei should have won but, looking at the stats, he certainly could have won - Andy won the points that mattered in the end. Raonic, however, I think should have won and choked. Just my opinion, of course.
Josephine
18-11-2016, 12:05
In the end the stronger player comes through - and Novak was stronger than Raonic. Your opponent's strength of mind can affect yours - so Raonic might have no problem finishing off Thiem, but Novak is a much sterner test - because he is mentally and physically stronger.
Sallydaisy
18-11-2016, 16:48
SEMI-FINALS - Saturday 19th November 2016
2pm: Andy Murray [1] v Milos Raonic [3]
8pm: Novak Djokovic [2] v Kei Nishikori [5]
A tricky match tonight for Nishikori and how he plays it. A pity he couldn't just withdraw and be ready for tomorrow ;) but he needs the points if he wants to finish #3 but he doesn't want to get into a marathon especially with his fragile fitness.
Sallydaisy
18-11-2016, 18:31
Nole leads Kei 11-2 in their H2H. Kei beat Nole in the SF 2014 USO and in Basel in 2011.
But it'd be good if he found a way to beat the Serb in the SF tomorrow ... irrespective of how he plays against Cilic tonight.
;)
I have no doubt that Kei will virtually give the match away tonight, in order to be fresh for tomorrow.
Great match earlier. looks like milos will finish the year at WN 3 :) looking forward to this match. Hopefully kei can get the win. Id be surprised if the crowd weren't on his side.
Chris Kermode is a master at deflecting the question. His explanation for today's scheduling was certainly vague, "it's a judgement call".
themass15
18-11-2016, 19:56
Great match earlier. looks like milos will finish the year at WN 3 :) looking forward to this match. Hopefully kei can get the win. Id be surprised if the crowd weren't on his side.
Hopefully Andy will beat him tomorrow afternoon!
Am I the only one who wonders why the commentator shouts 'Oh, that is world class!' as though he had never expected to see such a thing from two of the best players in the world? :confused:
I have no doubt that Kei will virtually give the match away tonight, in order to be fresh for tomorrow.
I will be really surprised if that happens.
banskogirl
18-11-2016, 20:50
Am I the only one who wonders why the commentator shouts 'Oh, that is world class!' as though he had never expected to see such a thing from two of the best players in the world? :confused:
I remember laughing at this when Andy won Wimbledon and radio 5 live said, who would have believed this? I know what they meant but really, eh Andy was No. 2 in the world at the time!
Chris Kermode is a master at deflecting the question. His explanation for today's scheduling was certainly vague, "it's a judgement call".
Well, I say 'Good on him!' for giving Andy more time to recover. We don't do much to help our own in this country - in fact, we seem to bend over backwards to appear not to favour Brits.
Well, I say 'Good on him!' for giving Andy more time to recover. We don't do much to help our own in this country - in fact, we seem to bend over backwards to appear not to favour Brits.
Don't let #NoleFam hear you, it's what they're saying and they're revolting. ;)
Kei should tank the rest of this set, he's going to be pot noodled by tomorrow.
RosieBear
18-11-2016, 21:47
Come on Marin :cheer: I love the little tennis ninja, but he's safely through, would like Marin to get his first win in 2 tournament appearances, for his pride.
I think he will - Kei looks cream crackered.
Don't let #NoleFam hear you, it's what they're saying and they're revolting. ;)
What grounds do they have to complain? Djoko had an extra day of rest - what more do they want?
RosieBear
18-11-2016, 21:56
What grounds do they have to complain? Djoko had an extra day of rest - what more do they want?
They're just getting their excuses in early, Alis.;)
RosieBear
18-11-2016, 22:09
Well done to Marin :clap::clap::clap: he deserved to be here and to get a win. And recover well Kei.:thumbup:
dewster99
18-11-2016, 22:11
Hope Kei plays better tomorrow
What grounds do they have to complain? Djoko had an extra day of rest - what more do they want?
#NoleFam complain about everything and anything to do with Andy, even his draw in the Tie Break Tens in Vienna, I kid you not. :big grin:
Kei now drops to #5 and must win tomorrow to move to #4 and win the title to be #3.
JAMES4578
18-11-2016, 22:20
Well it was competitive match and whilst credit to Cilic for first win in World Tour Finals, kei just fell away in the latter stages. However hopefully will be far better tomorrow though Djokovic should be fresher and seems strong favourite.
I was disappointed as I wanted to kei to win. I do like him, plus I was hoping monfils could hold on to his WN 6 and the. On thursday night we met a Japanese lady who was lovely and had come all the way here to see Friday's match, she asked us to cheer for him so she could see him win. So we ended up really invested. It was a shame for him. Hopefully he won't be tired tomorrow. I want a good match! Murray will be ace against milos though :)
The sports presenter on BBC Breakfast this morning was saying that two brothers have never finished the year as number one in singles and doubles respectively - Jamie has done his bit, so c'mon Andy!
Kei may have stepped back a little as he did not have to win last night. It would seem to be the best thing to do. Djokovic is under more pressure to win than Kei so I am hoping that it will get to him..He says he has improved throughout this tournament but I beg to differ. He has had so little opposition and struggled against a newbie in the first match and against Raonic both of who he would not have any problem with in the past. His behaviour on court gives this away.
Josephine
19-11-2016, 11:06
But Jamie won't be number 1 in doubles. Bruno has a chance to be. As Jamie was celebrated as No 1, I think Bruno has a right to be if he gets there instead of everyone glossing over it is No 1 team.
Okay - I'll be more specific. Seemingly, no brothers have finished the year with one brother as number one in singles and the other brother being part of the number one doubles team! I hope Bruno does finish the year as number one because that will mean Jamie and Bruno have won the tournament ........ I think.
JAMES4578
19-11-2016, 15:25
But Jamie won't be number 1 in doubles. Bruno has a chance to be. As Jamie was celebrated as No 1, I think Bruno has a right to be if he gets there instead of everyone glossing over it is No 1 team.
Okay - I'll be more specific. Seemingly, no brothers have finished the year with one brother as number one in singles and the other brother being part of the number one doubles team! I hope Bruno does finish the year as number one because that will mean Jamie and Bruno have won the tournament ........ I think.
Bruno certainly deserves his moment of glory, however I also think it's significant that the two Murray brothers could be topping the rankings at the same time (abeit Jamie jointly) Personally I've always put more weight on the team rankings rather than individual ones in doubles, after all most players play with the same partner the vast majority of the season.
What's Japanese for "C'mon"? :p ;)
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 20:40
What's Japanese for "C'mon"? :p ;)
Can't put it on here, it contains a bit of a rude word in English. Don't want the mods to ban me :laugh:
Okay - we'll just settle for c'mon Kei!
Back to deuce ............... c'mon!!!!!!
Kei's FH failing badly, Djokovic just waiting for the errors.
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 20:46
Bleh, the rude word might be more appropriate
What's Japanese for "C'mon"? :p ;)
Can't put it on here, it contains a bit of a rude word in English. Don't want the mods to ban me :laugh:Ha! So it does!
JAMES4578
19-11-2016, 20:51
Signs already ominous for Kei though,misfired early on and now Djokovic gaining in confidence-bps for 4-0!
Early days people!
I think there may only be early days. ;)
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 20:52
Dire
Andy's only just started his post match press conference.
Knew Nishi would lose, but didn't realise it would be this bad. :sad:
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 20:57
Hope that gives Kei a bit of a boost and something to build on
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:02
Looks like the evening crowd aren't going to get their monies worth
He is absolutely pathetic. Even if he has another of his 16 minute bathroom breaks, he will do nothing.
How about "Ganbare" meaning go for it.
Ganbare? Around here that means "get 'em off"...
There's the first set. C'mon Kei - show us what you're made of!
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:12
Actually Kei only won one match in the RR, so he's not really had a great week. He needs to up his game right now
JAMES4578
19-11-2016, 21:15
Djokovic will be competing for title but just hope Kei has a bit more resistance in the 2nd,such a contrast to first semi. Broken again though so could be quick match.
If Wawrinka hadn't been such a miserable wuss in his match against Nishikori, he could have been playing here.
Down a set and a break now, there is no way he is coming back.
Sadly, this is a whitewash and I can't really see it changing - Kei hasn't held serve yet. Hope I'm proved wrong though.
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:17
Kei hasn't held serve yet
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:17
Kei hasn't held serve yet
Beat me to it Alis
It's said you make your own luck, well Djokovic must have been on double-time with the breaks he's had this week. ;)
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:20
The semis couldn't have been more different. One a thrilling tense rollercoaster, the other a non-event
It's like an ATP player against a club player. I don't want to watch any more. :sad:
LC the fan
19-11-2016, 21:29
It's said you make your own luck, well Djokovic must have been on double-time with the breaks he's had this week. ;)
So true, the luck of the draw, the luck of the timing and now a semi against only half a player tonight.
BUT. MAYBE HIS LUCK WILL RUN OUT TOMORROW
JAMES4578
19-11-2016, 21:30
Could be breadstick and a bagel, total rout-though Kei holds for first time to avoid that fate. Still Djokovic certainly seems to have the advantage tomorrow,Andy will need to start well.
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:34
Blimey was that a service hold from Kei? No wonder the crowd were cheering
dewster99
19-11-2016, 21:36
What an absolute bottle job. Yet another one against Nole. Must've sold his soul to the devil. His opponents have been pathetic
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:38
Feel sorry for the crowd who paid a hefty ticket price for this.
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:40
I feel a boob thrust approaching :facepalm:
Well, that was pathetic from Nishikori.
Feel sorry for the crowd who paid a hefty ticket price for this.
Me too. Kei just had nothing to give tonight. Djokovic couldn't have had it easier so far but we'll see what he's made of tomorrow.
mickeypops
19-11-2016, 21:44
Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish from Nishikori. I expected better.
JAMES4578
19-11-2016, 21:45
2nd 6-1,6-1 drubbing for Kei at hands of Nole in consecutive World Tour Finals, commentators using all the superlatives to praise Djokovic but Nishikori's poor performance had a lot to do with the scoreline.
lovetennis
19-11-2016, 21:46
Djok made the most of his easy draw. Wish either Stan or Cilic had got to the semi as I think they would have competed better. Andy's going to have to it he hard way but we know he will give it his all
Nishikori should have taken his opportunity in the 2014 US Open final as you just cannot see him lasting for 7 five set matches in a slam again.
RosieBear
19-11-2016, 21:49
That was rubbish from Kei, no doubt, and although I really like him most of the time, he definitely acts like a sulky kid when things don't go his way... that said, Andy battered him in Madid and Rio and should have done here as well. Andy wasn't authorative in his match against Kei and the set that Kei took in that match was his ticket through so it isn't all about Novak's "luck".... shame because Stan would have taken a lot more out Novak.
Well, if Andy wins tomorrow nobody can say that he has had an easy ride - he will certainly have done it the hard way.
LC the fan
19-11-2016, 21:53
I am so sick of commies praising Novak and how brilliant he was....he has had an easy run all week and no opposition at all tonight. OK. He played as well as he had to tonight but he may find tomorrow a bit more difficult
I switched it off. Both Nishikori and Goffin need to consider that the fans pay good money for their tickets. They were sold a pup from both players.
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