Andy Murray - World #1. Ranking from Nov 2016 and beyond ...

[Alis]

Thanks Bardot and Roy. I think I'd quite like Fed to be seeded 2 and so not meet Andy until the final - how does everyone else feel?

[lynne]

That will do me Alis!

[rimarli]

I do think the same

[sir coolerking]

I think 1 and 2 are put on opposite sides of the draw - then they draw 3 and 4 and then 5 and 6 and then 7-10 and so on - so pretty random. That's my understanding but I could very well be wrong!

Not quite like that. 1 & 2 on opposite sides, same for 3 & 4 (although that is a random draw). Numbers 5-8 are then placed randomly in each quarter. In the last 16 they are drawn to meet number 9-12 whilst 1-4 meet 13-16. In the last 32, seeds 1-8 can meet anyone from 25-32.

It is possible for the number 1 seed to face number 3 in the semi, number 5 in the QF and 13 in the last 16 and thus get theoretically the worst possible draw.

[supergran]

Well, I'll take that information folks. Have no idea how to calculate points but thankful so many of you can :thanks::thanks::thanks: .

[pabbers]

Think we need to stop worrying about Nole making a come back and keep an eye on Rafa and Fed. Have felt all along that others were creeping up!

[Josephine]

Took this off twitter. Assume it is accurate?

ATP Rankings with Wimbledon points off
1. Murray, 7390
2. Nadal, 7285
3. Wawrinka, 6130
Three players can end the tournament as #1

Bit depressing to see the gap so small....

Apparently Djokovic could be No 1 too but bit unlikely

[HoopGirl]

Does this mean that Andy starts Wimbledon as no 1?

[Alis]

I think so ....... and then there are the extra grass weighting points to be added in for the seedings.

[sir coolerking]

I think we have to forget about the number 1 ranking really, Andy's goals should be Grandslams now.

[Alis]

I agree about the number 1 ranking. I would have been disappointed if Andy had never reached the number 1 spot but, now that he has, I can't say I am over fussed about him hanging onto it at all costs. Australian Open, Roland Garros, Indian Wells and Monte Carlo - aren't these the only important tournaments that Andy hasn't won? Wouldn't it be brilliant if he could finish his career having won them all?!

[rimarli]

Agree on No 1 . They are the only ones he has not won.

[Genbrit]

I agree about the number 1 ranking. I would have been disappointed if Andy had never reached the number 1 spot but, now that he has, I can't say I am over fussed about him hanging onto it at all costs. Australian Open, Roland Garros, Indian Wells and Monte Carlo - aren't these the only important tournaments that Andy hasn't won? Wouldn't it be brilliant if he could finish his career having won them all?!

Agree totally. :)

[JAMES4578]

Reaching no1 was marvellous, however for me it's not the biggest priority (more concerned with slams)and for instance would probably have taken last year's US Open over that. Nonetheless wouldn't like to see him lose the top spot at Wimbledon but the ranking bound to drop in due course.

[Alis]

Losing it might just take the pressure off a bit.

[roytennisfan]

True, I was however hoping he would retain it till the US Open to be top seed at all 4 slams but looking unlikely now. Can still retain #1 if Rafa loses today which as he has won the third set i'm not expecting,otherwise Andy needs to match Rafa and would need to win any Semi against Rafa. Djok can only overtake Andy if he wins title and Andy loses in the Quarters

[roytennisfan]

Looking Like Andy might be saddled with #1 a little bit longer after that Rafa exit

[cazza99]

Nole had 5965 points after points taken off before Wimbledon and Andy had 7390.

Doing a bit of maths I think that means that Andy will retain World No 1 as long as he wins his quarters. If Any loses the quarters then Nole must win the tournament to take the World No 1 off Andy. Please correct me if my maths is out.

[Hawkeye]

No, that's been stated elsewhere.

[patmoren]

He has beaten Querrey 8 times before so looking good!

[themass15]

Only needs win quarter to be at No. 1 at the end of Wimbledon

[jaysee]

He has beaten Querrey 8 times before so looking good!
Where's Pabbers? :cauldron::cauldron::cauldron:

[roytennisfan]

Only needs win quarter to be at No. 1 at the end of Wimbledon

And he only needs to do that if Djokovic wins the title and I don't expect him to get past feddykins

[roytennisfan]

More wins would also increase his lead over rafa going into the next masters where djokovic is defending 1,000 points but Andy, Rafa and Fed are not defending any

[pabbers]

Where's Pabbers? :cauldron::cauldron::cauldron:

Too late sorry :crying:

[traveller7]

So I presume No1 no more after today's loss and if Nole wins his match?

[Teresa]

So I presume No1 no more after today's loss and if Nole wins his match?

No I think Djokovic has to win the whole thing.

[exislander]

Djokovic has retired so Berdych through.

[Rosalind]

:grouphug:So Andy is still no 1 ? We have that at least. Group hug needed.

[harriet]

Wimbledon has finished, Andy beaten by Querrey in the quarters but rankings are now Federer 3, 6545 points, Nadal 2, 7465, and MURRAY 1, 7750 points.

[cazza99]

Rankings at the moment



Ranking

Move

Country

Player

Age

Points

Tourn Played

Points Dropping

Next Best



1

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Andy Murray (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/overview)
30
7,750 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
18 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/andy-murray/mc10/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


2

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Rafael Nadal (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/rafael-nadal/n409/overview)
31
7,465 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/rafael-nadal/n409/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
15 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/rafael-nadal/n409/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


3
2
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Roger Federer (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/overview)
35
6,545 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
14 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/roger-federer/f324/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


4



Novak Djokovic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/novak-djokovic/d643/overview)
30
6,325 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/novak-djokovic/d643/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
17 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/novak-djokovic/d643/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


5
2
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Stan Wawrinka (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/stan-wawrinka/w367/overview)
32
6,140 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/stan-wawrinka/w367/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
20 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/stan-wawrinka/w367/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


6

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Marin Cilic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/marin-cilic/c977/overview)
28
5,075 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/marin-cilic/c977/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
23 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/marin-cilic/c977/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


7
1
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Dominic Thiem (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/dominic-thiem/tb69/overview)
23
4,030 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/dominic-thiem/tb69/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
28 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/dominic-thiem/tb69/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0


8
1
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/%7E/media/images/flags/jpn.svg

Kei Nishikori (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/kei-nishikori/n552/overview)
27
3,740 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/kei-nishikori/n552/rankings-breakdown?team=singles)
20 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/kei-nishikori/n552/player-activity?matchType=singles)
0
0

[Hawkeye]

I must be missing something...

And that graphic is far too Novak-centric!

[cazza99]

I must be missing something...

And that graphic is far too Novak-centric!

Edited it out., so he doesn't have on any more ;) Don't know why it displayed like that.

[Caro]

So top 5 players in the world are all 30 or over ... I wonder when was the last time that happened! If ever ...

[roytennisfan]

Wonder when was the last time that #1 only had 7,750 points?
Odds are Rafa will become next #1 at Montreal but could be quickly overtaken by Roger (who has now announced he is targeting it) at Cincinatti or Flushing Meadows

[patlowe]

I don't think there is any need to get stressed out about Andy and #1. He has been there for some time and certainly a lot longer than many former #1's and he himself has said that he is not that much bothered if he loses it, adding he doesn't even deserve it! (I certainly don't agree with him there!) Leon, as ever, has got it right and worth keeping his wise words in mind. He was suggesting Andy's goal should be another slam and you don't have to be #1 to achieve that!....

"One thing he certainly doesn’t need to do is chase being No 1 any more. He achieved that goal and My God did he work hard to get there..."

[karanga]

I'm not bothered about Andy being #1. It's just added pressure on him. I just want to see Andy back on court fit, well, happy and playing great tennis.

The way tennis is going and with no serious challengers in sight it is a foregone conclusion who will end the year as #1.;)

[karanga]

Wonder when was the last time that #1 only had 7,750 points?
Odds are Rafa will become next #1 at Montreal but could be quickly overtaken by Roger (who has now announced he is targeting it) at Cincinatti or Flushing Meadows

I read that Roger will play the rest of the year and that means he is targeting Montreal, Cincinnati and Flushing Meadows as well as the WTFs.

Hopefully tho Rafa or someone else will spoil his party.

[roytennisfan]

I agree about #1, already posted elsewhere maybe right for him to miss a few months even until Kim gives birth, be a family man and come back healthy and happy. Anyway, keeping up the family tradition, it's his turn to win at Wimbledon next year.

[Bardot]

Wonder when was the last time that #1 only had 7,750 points?
Odds are Rafa will become next #1 at Montreal but could be quickly overtaken by Roger (who has now announced he is targeting it) at Cincinatti or Flushing Meadows

Apparently it's the lowest total since the new points system was introduced in 2009.

Speculating and there's no suggestion this will happen but if Andy was to "shutdown his season" now then based on similar points (2290) in the 3 previous years, his ranking would probably drop to between 14-17 at the end of the 2017. Federer's ranking was 17 at the beginning of this year meaning he played a higher seed (Berdych) in the third round of the Australian Open.

[goldfish]

https://tennismash.com/2017/07/17/nadal-federer-race-world-no-1/

[Caro]

I have no idea where all the talk of Andy shutting his season down has come from! It certainly hasn't come from him and seems most unlikely to me. It's just not Andy's way. If it would help him, I'm happy to be proven wrong but I just can't see it.

[banskogirl]

I agree :) hoping anyway!

[Josephine]

I have no idea where all the talk of Andy shutting his season down has come from! It certainly hasn't come from him and seems most unlikely to me. It's just not Andy's way. If it would help him, I'm happy to be proven wrong but I just can't see it.

To be fair to Bardot, she sorry or he, did say 'there's no suggestion this will happen' But it gives an idea of where he might end up if he didn't play another match this year. Quite interesting as I honestly thought it could be a lot worse with so many points from end of last year to defend. So if he plays a bit and gets something at least, he might stay at a reasonable ranking. Then time time to rebuild next year.

Actually feel a bit reassured by that so thanks Bardot

[Bardot]

I probably should have added a health warning to that prediction of where Andy would be ranked based on a year end total of 2290 as in previous years there's always been 1 or 2 players who have been hogging the points meaning there are fewer points lower down to go round. It could still happen this year with Nadal & Federer but if not then points may be shared further down the rankings so points totals would be closer together like in the current rankings.

[Josephine]

Not so reassured now!!

[cazza99]

Rafa needs to reach the semifinals in Montreal to overtake Andy and become world no 1.

[Caro]

Rafa needs to reach the semifinals in Montreal to overtake Andy and become world no 1.

... and he hasn't made it .... beaten by Shapovalov in a very close match which Shap won in a final set tie break.

[roytennisfan]

... and he hasn't made it .... beaten by Shapovalov in a very close match which Shap won in a final set tie break.

So Roger or Rafa could be the new #1 after Cincy, odds on Roger must have bombed after Rafa's defeat. If he wins Montreal, Roger will only be 10 points behind Rafa going into Cinccy and Andy will be #3 the following week. Still 41 weeks at #1, Wonderful Andy!!!

[karanga]

Many twists and turns in this strange 2017 season. Who knows that Andy might well surprise us all yet. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

[cazza99]

Confirmation Rafa will be no 1 on Monday after Federer's withdrawal from Cincy - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/40926790

[Alis]

Given that it now looks like Andy will play the US Open - does anyone know what would it take for him to win back the number 1 spot or is it impossible?

[Helen40]

Rafa didn't do that well last year, and Andy got further, so pretty tough ask.

[roytennisfan]

Given that it now looks like Andy will play the US Open - does anyone know what would it take for him to win back the number 1 spot or is it impossible?

At Start of US open with last years points erased
1 Rafa 7465
2 Roger 7145
3 Andy 6790
4 Sascha 4425

so Andy needs not only to gain almost 700 on Rafa but also half that on Roger (who is seeded 3, currently 5 points behing Andy) so it's a real long shot and Andy would need to reach at least semi final to be mathematically possible

[Alis]

Thanks, Roy. You never know, Fed may still be injured and decide not to play and Rafa may be knocked out early - although perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part! My real hope is that Andy is fully recovered and, if he gets a decent draw, he can play himself in.

[Bardot]

A table illustrating what Roy posted. Win the title and Andy reclaims #1 regardless what the others do. :thumbup:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHxPjnCXsAIhRri.jpg

[Alis]

Thanks, Bardot - that's really good to know. C'mon Andy - it's all to play for!

[JennieF]

Just heard that Andy is withdrawing from USO and will take advice on whether to play the rest of the season.

[pabbers]

:crying: if he needs a hip op I just hope he doesn't delay things as long as he did with his back or we may never see him at the top again.

[HoopGirl]

Gutted!

[ljs]

:crying: if he needs a hip op I just hope he doesn't delay things as long as he did with his back or we may never see him at the top again.

agree pat , like i said on the other thread , this is really worrying , hip injuries can be devestating , I am so bummed :crying:

[lynne]

Sad for us all as we were all looking forward to seeing Andy, but if he doesn't think he is up to it and he knows best, then he has made a wise choice and as Pat says if an operation is needed the sooner the better, wishing you well Andy!

[sir coolerking]

Rough predictions for the Aus Open are Novak seeded in the 13-16 group and Andy 17-20. That is where the current points earned in the Race would put them in the overall rankings.......let's hope they don't get drawn to meet in the 3rd round if that's how it ends up!!

[cazza99]

This article has been posted elsewhere and Andy's health is being discussed on Andy's between tournament thread. However I thought the analysis of Andy's points would be useful to post here.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andy-murray-most-likely-to-miss-rest-of-season-fr5wmbw83


How Murray’s ranking could slide

September 11
Points dropping off: 360 (US Open QF)
Points total: 6,790
Ranking: No 3

October 9
Points dropping off: 500 (Beijing W)
Points total: 6,290
Estimated ranking: No 3

October 16
Points dropping off: 1,000 (Shanghai W)
Points total: 5,290
Estimated ranking: No 4

October 30
Points dropping off: 500 (Vienna W)
Points total: 4,790
Estimated ranking: No 5

November 6
Points dropping off: 2,500 (Paris W and ATP Finals W)
Points total: 2,290
Estimated ranking: No 15

[ljs]

that makes me a bit sad :(

[Rosalind]

Makes me sad too ...

[themass15]

And me!

[Alis]

Andy will get back up there - cream always rises to the top!

[Teresa]

It would have been much sadder if he hadn't reached No 1 at all. He will always have 2016...........

[pabbers]

If Feddykins and Rafa can stage comebacks....... fear not.

[karanga]

Certainly Andy can. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

We have heard all this doom and gloom about Rafa in particular and Roger already. :grrr:

[AllyB]

I know it's a false position due to the hip injury, but Andy is now British #23, world #839!

[Stell]

I read it as well. But, when I looked at the ATP live rankings, they had him at 838 in the world. Hopefully, this will change soon and he'll start moving up in the rankings.

[lovetennis]

Andy showing a good sense of humour about his 838 ranking. He added an instagam story showing a screenshot of the ATP rankings, circling his name at 848 and tagging it #proud :lol:

[sir coolerking]

The first round win in Washington looks to have moved him up a small matter of 187 places to 645. He has 40 points. To make it to the Top 200 requires about 280 points and it's about 550 to the Top 100.....small steps.

[Pam]

The first round win in Washington looks to have moved him up a small matter of 187 places to 645. He has 40 points. To make it to the Top 200 requires about 280 points and it's about 550 to the Top 100.....small steps.

...Thanks for that - as you say one step at a time.

[LC the fan]

Happy that Andy seems to see it that way too. He said that a few wins would whizz him up the rankings and it got tougher from there, but added that it was so exciting to do the climb all over again.
As long as he is happy.........

[jagmad]

Happy that Andy seems to see it that way too. He said that a few wins would whizz him up the rankings and it got tougher from there, but added that it was so exciting to do the climb all over again.
As long as he is happy.........

+2

[sir coolerking]

Well he's now up to the dizzy heights of 511 in the world. A win over Copil would see him break the top 400 at about 375!!

[jackie55]

Well he's now up to the dizzy heights of 511 in the world. A win over Copil would see him break the top 400 at about 375!!

Does anyone know anything about Copil ?

[Teresa]

Does anyone know anything about Copil ?


Murray beat him 6:4, 6:3 in Madrid 2017. He is ranked 93, highest 73.
2018 WL ratio 11:15

Murray3:2 for 2018

Has beaten Alijax Bedene, but nobody else of note.

I think AM has a great chance.

[LC the fan]

Looking at those stats, Teresa, must say I agree with you. Can't hope for too much too soon but wouldn't it be great to see Andy go into the fourth round, with a 50% rise up the rankings.....just another 50% to go :thumbup:

[themass15]

Does anyone know anything about Copil ?

I saw him at Surbiton last year.

He was playing Challengers until recently

[Sallydaisy]

Andy has moved up 4 places to WR #121.

[Sallydaisy]

After Rotterdam Andys' projected ranking is #115.
https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking

He could do with a few more wins pdq so he can get into Slams at Roland Garros and Wimbledon in May/June this year. Also, if he can edge higher up he has a better chance of getting Direct Acceptance (DA) based on his ranking into ATP250/500s without needing Wildcards. There is a limit on those so hopefully he'll play a few more tourneys - perhaps in Europe on clay rather than travel to Miami for one event - to gain points.

[Sallydaisy]

Andy is up to #116 this in the rankings published 8th March 2021.
Going UP, slowly but surely!
:thumbup:

[patmoren]

I can never understand how Andy dropped so low in the rankings after a year out and Federer has never gone below 5th. I know rankings have frozen during the pandemic but Federer never seems to lose points when not playing.

[banskogirl]

Andy is up to #116 this in the rankings published 8th March 2021.
Going UP, slowly but surely!
:thumbup:

So close to the magic number :jitterbug:

[banskogirl]

Andy is now up to 109 in the live rankings! :knight:

[Sallydaisy]

Andy is back in the top 100 with a move up to #95 in the ATP Rankings published today.
Per Steven on Twitter: "for the first time since May 2018, and 16 years 4 months after he first broke into the top 100 in October 2005, moving up 7 places to 95"

[banskogirl]

Andy is currently at 69 in the live rankings this morning! They change constantly but I’m excited!

[banskogirl]

Andy is now 53 in the live rankings :superman:

[banskogirl]

Andy is now 47 in the live rankings!!! and although I know these change constantly his ranking points are now up to 1020 which is amazing!

[goldfish]

If Andy and Dan both win their finals today, they will be tied on 785 points in the 2022 race rankings, taking them to about 30 for the year.

[cazza99]

Andy currently 64th in the world on 815 points. 87 points behind getting into the top 50. https://www.atptour.com/en/rankings/singles

[banskogirl]

Andy now 61st in the live rankings and 51 points off the top 50 :cauldron::fanning:

https://live-tennis.eu/en/atp-live-ranking

[banskogirl]

Andy 52nd in the live rankings, Jack Draper is one behind him at 53!