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roytennisfan
18-01-2017, 07:29
Yes a good win for Mischa, just lost the first two tiebreaks, top seeds all winning in straight sets today, hopefully Andy will as well
Thursday's OOP. Konta opens play on RLA, Edmund is first on court 13 followed by Watson.
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scrapaddict
18-01-2017, 09:21
Dan has just taken the second set off Cilic- brilliant
sir coolerking
18-01-2017, 09:34
Meanwhile Kyrgios has blown a two set lead and now finds himself in a decider with Seppi.
Kyrgios saying his legs are dead and has no energy, says "I'll be fine by Monday". Basically standing and trying to hit winners in this fifth set.
JAMES4578
18-01-2017, 10:06
Looks like Kyrgios could let this slip,into very tight battle at 5 all and now bp down - Seppi does break! Great win for Micha earlier over Isner which I wouldn't have predicted
sir coolerking
18-01-2017, 10:08
Kyrgios blew 0-40 earlier on the Seppi serve too.
Kyrgios needlessly hitting a tweener on the first point when Seppi was serving for the match. :big grin: He won the point and eventually broke for 6-6.
hfwardhouse
18-01-2017, 10:16
Dan up a break in the 4th!!!!
JAMES4578
18-01-2017, 10:18
Cilic could well be breaking back though perhaps can can save them again! Nick done well to get back into it-now up 8-7!
Oh Nick, he had a MP at 8-7 which Seppi saved with a brilliant FHDL. Seppi wins the fifth 10-8.
JAMES4578
18-01-2017, 10:35
Whilst didn't see great deal bit of a drama-Nick certainly didn't take chance but well done Seppi!
scrapaddict
18-01-2017, 10:44
and now Dan has put Cilic out - lpve watching slams as always unpredictable!
Sallydaisy
18-01-2017, 11:57
Kyrgios presser will make interesting reading when published.
;)
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg 7m7 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/821685697861910528) Kyrgios on if he is treated too harshly by media: "I deserve it. I'm a bad guy."
B
BC 5 live Sport @5liveSport 9m9 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/5liveSport/status/821685260278702081) "Should've played less basketball and taken pre-season seriously"
Nick Kyrgios following 5 set R2 defeat to Andreas Seppi
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/821684823303405568) Kyrgios asked if he felt pain in his knee during the match:
"I don't know mate. Ask Johnny Mac, he knows everything."
:whistle:
Transcript of Kyrgios's press conference. (http://2017.ausopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2017-01-18/nick_kyrgios_180117.html)
Crofty toeing the McEnroe line and ripping into Kyrgios. She does it with such relish but then she's had so much practice doing it to Andy. :grrr:
Josephine
18-01-2017, 16:39
Well he is a bit of a prat (unlike Andy). He played basketball in pre-season and hurt his knee
His own words from presser above:
"Got to start taking it more seriously. Pre-season is an important part of the year. You build foundations for the rest of the year. Yeah, it's on me."
banskogirl
18-01-2017, 20:52
Well he is a bit of a prat (unlike Andy). He played basketball in pre-season and hurt his knee
His own words from presser above:
"Got to start taking it more seriously. Pre-season is an important part of the year. You build foundations for the rest of the year. Yeah, it's on me."
Yes he should, take it more seriously......but more during the match, never mind pre-season! I like Nick and I do hope he gets it together in the end but I don't think he can blame pre match practise on not bothering during a match :(
Rosalind
18-01-2017, 23:38
I find NK completely boring and a boy in a man's world. There are plenty of youngsters who don't behave like him - Kyle for one. I get the feeling he is never going to make it and yet potentially he has such talent. I'm not a huge Mac fan but this kid who has, as yet, done nothing and neither is he showing any signs of accomplishing anything, needs to show such towering figures of the game a bit more respect. I know Andy likes him - but he likes boxing too and I don't agree with him on these two things. Thankfully he's Australian and not British! Rant over.
Josephine
19-01-2017, 00:11
Agree with every word. Well, don't really mind what nationality he is.....
Well he is a bit of a prat (unlike Andy). He played basketball in pre-season and hurt his knee
His own words from presser above:
"Got to start taking it more seriously. Pre-season is an important part of the year. You build foundations for the rest of the year. Yeah, it's on me."
I'm with you he is a fool. But more than that I'm sick of hearing the same line from him. I should have done better. I need to take it more seriously. You live you learn.
Well no clearly he doesn't learn because he is constantly uttering that line. I'm just bored of it. If you don't want or play don't. But don't waste people's money and time by turning up to matches unprepared. He has said he is treated too harshly. I would say not harshly enough, freshly off his ban and same old same old. If it would have been longer, maybe he would have been able to mean it when he says you live, you learn.
Also as for coaching, I have to say bizarrely I agree with mc. Who would want that job as everyone knows he wouldn't listen. It would have to be someone patient, with a thick skull, so it doesn't shatter when they constantly bang it against a brick wall.
Well regardless of all that I still like Nick. Love the audacity of some of his shot making!
themass15
19-01-2017, 07:02
I like his shot making but, at present, not much else.
HoopGirl
19-01-2017, 07:46
Djokovic having a bit of a tussle on court right now!
murrayfan89
19-01-2017, 08:14
Istomin about to serve for the match!!!
murrayfan89
19-01-2017, 08:19
Istomin has done it!! Unbelievable upset here. Still early days yet of course but still probably good news for Andy.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Djokovic goes out in a thrilling five setter vs Istomin!!
Brilliant stuff from him. :clap:
Wow! That's an upset of mega proportions. One for the female coaches. ;)
Sallydaisy
19-01-2017, 08:24
Interesting times:
Stuart Fraser Retweeted (https://twitter.com/stu_fraser) José Morgado @josemorgado (https://twitter.com/josemorgado) 1m1 minute ago (https://twitter.com/josemorgado/status/821996253584232448)
Thiem
Thompson
Paire
Fognini
Karlovic
Goffin
Dimitrov
Gasquet
Carreño
Istomin
One is reaching his first ever #AusOpen (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AusOpen?src=hash) (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AusOpen?src=hash) SF.
One of Thiem, Thompson, Paire, Fognini, Karlovic, Goffin, Dimitrov, Gasquet, Carreno Busta, Istomin will be reaching their first Australian Open SF.
scrapaddict
19-01-2017, 08:35
WOW - didn't expect that! Been an interesting AO so far!!
Friday's OOP. (http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/schedule10.html#)
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hfwardhouse
19-01-2017, 08:38
Wow, well done Istomin :cheer:
Josephine
19-01-2017, 08:51
Wasn't expecting that. Amazing from Istomin! But as Andy would say, only affects him if he gets to the final. But good news for the ranking.
What an amazing piece of news to get up to this morning. Well done young Denis!
roytennisfan
19-01-2017, 09:47
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Djokovic goes out in a thrilling five setter vs Istomin!!
Brilliant stuff from him. :clap:
And i was expecting a r3 of Kyle v Djok, how wrong can i be lol
Jo Konta apart, it's been a bit of a Brit bloodbath today with Heather, Kyle, Jamie & the Skupskis all losing.
The OOP for Friday is astonishing - or am I missing something? I can understand Fed/Berdy being the night match on RL but for Wawrinka/Troicki, Tsonga/Sock and Nishikori/Lacko all to take precedence over Andy/Querry seems strange to me. Can anyone throw any light on it?
Sallydaisy
19-01-2017, 10:26
Can anyone throw any light on it?
Only the Ozzie Tournament Director .......
Meanwhile, Benoit Paire has beaten Fabio Fognini in an emotional 5 setter lasting a few hours.
;)
Wawrinka is a former champion and #4 seed who hasn't played on RLA so far and he is playing a seed in the third round. Hisense has a bigger capacity by 2000 than MCA so is the equivalent of No.1 Court at Wimbledon.
JAMES4578
19-01-2017, 10:56
Such a shock with Djokovic out and wouldn't have picked Istomin as one of his challenges but that's the way it goes! Well done Denis! Looked like he was turning it around when Nole won the 3rd convincingly. Obviously Andy's chances increase but still a long way to go-not taking anything for granted! Looks like a dramatic win for Paire too!
Wawrinka is a former champion and #4 seed who hasn't played on RLA so far and he is playing a seed in the third round. Hisense has a bigger capacity by 2000 than MCA so is the equivalent of No.1 Court at Wimbledon.It may have a bigger capacity, but it is very much the third court.
It may have a bigger capacity, but it is very much the third court.
In what way?
I read somewhere on Twitter I think that the tournament director said that in the past Andy has often requested the Hisense arena, so maybe Andy is quite happy and we're all just a bit too sensitive on his behalf!
roytennisfan
19-01-2017, 12:50
In what way?
Anyone can get in with a ground pass presumably, bet it will get full very quickly!
I read somewhere on Twitter I think that the tournament director said that in the past Andy has often requested the Hisense arena, so maybe Andy is quite happy and we're all just a bit too sensitive on his behalf!
I know he likes one of the Hisense and the Margaret Court arenas as he likes the atmosphere.
Sallydaisy
19-01-2017, 13:10
Rafa is through to R3.
AusOpen @AustralianOpen 2m2 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/AustralianOpen/status/822068204293865473) #Rafa (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rafa?src=hash) on the run...
Nadal books himself a berth in 3R, taking care of Baghdatis in a breezy straight-sets victory 6-3 6-1 6-3.
Eurosport analysis of Djokovic/Istomin match http://video.eurosport.co.uk/tennis/australian-open/2017/studio-analysis-murray-will-be-pretty-pleased-he-s-the-big-favourite-now_vid952797/video.shtml
Margaret Court Arena is most definitely the second show court but if Andy prefers Hisense maybe he's requested that he be scheduled there for his seemingly obligatory match away from the main court.
Malaiseous
19-01-2017, 17:25
I'm really anxious about the whole draw now. No one deserves it more than Andy and as much as I like Stan Wawrinka it would make me sick to the stomach if he won this slam and went to 4 slams in as many final appearances. If anyone but Andy wins the AO this year then I will be more gutted than ever before. Sorry for the negative energy.
kenny009uk
19-01-2017, 17:38
I'm really anxious about the whole draw now. No one deserves it more than Andy and as much as I like Stan Wawrinka it would make me sick to the stomach if he won this slam and went to 4 slams in as many final appearances. If anyone but Andy wins the AO this year then I will be more gutted than ever before. Sorry for the negative energy.
Its a really good point. Cant bear the thought of that. Andy will just do it one match at a time. Then we go from there.
Josephine
19-01-2017, 18:05
I'm really anxious about the whole draw now. No one deserves it more than Andy and as much as I like Stan Wawrinka it would make me sick to the stomach if he won this slam and went to 4 slams in as many final appearances. If anyone but Andy wins the AO this year then I will be more gutted than ever before. Sorry for the negative energy.
All energies and viewpoints are valid.
RosieBear
19-01-2017, 18:23
I'm really anxious about the whole draw now. No one deserves it more than Andy and as much as I like Stan Wawrinka it would make me sick to the stomach if he won this slam and went to 4 slams in as many final appearances. If anyone but Andy wins the AO this year then I will be more gutted than ever before. Sorry for the negative energy.
I'm a big fan of Stanimal, but obviously Andy comes first. I don't worry easily on Andy's behalf but I was nervous as hell for Andy's semi against Stan at RG last year. I figured that being faster, more balanced and agile Andy has the clear edge on grass and hc, whereas Stan, who is just a beast on slow courts where he can plant his feet and let rip, might have the edge on the clay. My fears came to nothing. Andy picked Stan apart on his favourite surface. Stanimal the beast came out to play and Andy still won in 4 (was daylight robbery that Stan grabbed a set against run of play). Same happened at the O2 - Stan flew out the blocks playing lights out tennis, Andy won in straights. As I said, I'm a big fan so I'm not talking Stan down, but while of course no guarantees Andy does have his number (in a way Nole hasn't). I hope this makes you feel a bit better.
Malaiseous
19-01-2017, 18:31
I'm a big fan of Stanimal, but obviously Andy comes first. I don't worry easily on Andy's behalf but I was nervous as hell for Andy's semi against Stan at RG last year. I figured that being faster, more balanced and agile Andy has the clear edge on grass and hc, whereas Stan, who is just a beast on slow courts where he can plant his feet and let rip, might have the edge on the clay. My fears came to nothing. Andy picked Stan apart on his favourite surface. Stanimal the beast came out to play and Andy still won in 4 (was daylight robbery that Stan grabbed a set against run of play). Same happened at the O2 - Stan flew out the blocks playing lights out tennis, Andy won in straights. As I said, I'm a big fan so I'm not talking Stan down, but while of course no guarantees Andy does have his number (in a way Nole hasn't). I hope this makes you feel a bit better.
It does help. Thanks.
Some of the anxiety has lessened. Reading through everyone's comments and knowing that other people go through the same stresses when watching Andy always helps.
Federer scares me too though... Who am I kidding? They all scare me!
Many of the pundits were predicting an Andy/Djoko final and we now know that's just not happening. There's no telling whether Andy and Stan will even make the semis - we just have to take one match at a time. I'm sure Andy is just focusing on tonight's match.
Josephine
19-01-2017, 18:37
I just wonder if the change in the speed of the courts had an affect on Djoko's match. Big servers /hitters are getting more of an advantage.
Querrey even on a different court could be a concern and Stan, if things were to get that far, certainly knows how to hit through an opponent, as he has won 3 GS finals doing that!
DonaldGrump
19-01-2017, 18:43
I'm really anxious about the whole draw now. No one deserves it more than Andy and as much as I like Stan Wawrinka it would make me sick to the stomach if he won this slam and went to 4 slams in as many final appearances. If anyone but Andy wins the AO this year then I will be more gutted than ever before. Sorry for the negative energy.
Its a strange one, before the tournament on account of being in the opposite side of the draw to Nole and Raonic (whom I think will win a slam this year) it looked like Andy had the slightly easier draw. With the demise of Cilic and Djokovic its easy to think Andy has ended up with the worse side of it. I am not convinced, Nishikori/Fed likely last 8 and Stan last 4, both tough but very winnable, I still think Nadal or Raonic would present a stiffer challenge and should Andy get to the final it will be one of them that awaits. We might have an idea of the thread Fed poses after tonight when he plays his first "real" opponent in months.
Nole getting knocked this early might not be particularly helpful to Andy as everyone now expects him to stroll through and win the thing, no question this really does represent as good opportunity as he could ask for, and he dealt with similar expectation at Wimbledon when Nole came a cropper there early doors. It is still a tough ask to win this slam, but if Andy keeps his nut down, and avoids any US Open type meltdowns then.........just maybe.
I just wonder if the change in the speed of the courts had an affect on Djoko's match. Big servers /hitters are getting more of an advantage.
Querrey even on a different court could be a concern and Stan, if things were to get that far, certainly knows how to hit through an opponent, as he has won 3 GS finals doing that!wouldn't think so, both andy and nole have stated a preference for faster courts I recall and in particular talking about the detrimental effect of various tournaments slowing down the courts and crediting places like shanghai for having faster courts that suited him
Well, for once, the media hyperbole about a shock result is justified.
This is a much bigger shock than Djokovic's loss at Wimbledon last year. Istomin has played top 10 opponents 34 times, and this was only his 2nd win in those matches. He's never even got near to beating any of the big 4 before - so unsurprisingly has always seemed to lack belief against them.
It is also the first time that a Wild Card as ever beaten a defending champion in a slam too.
Istomin did play supremely well though - held his nerve wonderfully at many key points in the match, including serving the match out. Everyone knows how difficult it is to close out matches against Novak, especially at slams.
It is worth noting that Novak is often beatable in early rounds in slams though. Gilles Simon should have knocked him out early at the Aussie Open last year, for example. And of course Wimby last year too.
The first thing that popped into my head with the result was that at least if Andy didn't win this tournament, this would not be as a result of losing to Novak in the final. Really didn't want that to happen again. It undoubtedly increases Andy's chances of finally winning this tournament.
Will the result affect Andy from now on? I don't think so at all. He might well be favourite for the title now - but as already mentioned, he faced a similar scenario at Wimbledon last year. He was expected to beat Goffin in the final rubber in Ghent - and there are numerous other examples of where he has dealt admirably with expectation.
But if Andy does reach the final then they should just hand him the title. No-one deserves it more than him.
Sallydaisy
19-01-2017, 20:44
Weather for Friday:
Brad Gilbert @bgtennisnation 10m10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/bgtennisnation/status/822180236112498688) A bit of rain ATM weathermansays should be clearing by early afternoon high around 66ish and breezy
It does help. Thanks.
Some of the anxiety has lessened. Reading through everyone's comments and knowing that other people go through the same stresses when watching Andy always helps.
Federer scares me too though... Who am I kidding? They all scare me!
Other than Andy suffering what Macca called burn out, (yeah right)
the only threat I have seen really is Raffa but that would be in the final I think,
and his stamina isn't anywhere near Sir Andy's so back Andy for the calendar slam. Eh R B.;):thumbup:
I can't cos if I back him at the bookies he always looses. :taz:
Eg, DOHA final.:facepalm: Yep that was all my fault. Sorrrreeeee.:getcoat:
Saturday oop
http://www.ausopen.com/mobile/en_AU/scores/schedule/index.html
themass15
20-01-2017, 04:43
Troicki a break up on Stan
Sallydaisy
20-01-2017, 08:55
Stan won in 4 sets over Troicki
Tsonga beats Sock (JWT plays winner of Evans/Tomic)
Zverev d Jaziri
Seppi d Darcis
oop for Saturday (non mobile version) - http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/p_schedule11.pdf
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 10:24
Wilander and Becker are cringe. Waldorf and Statler would be better.
hfwardhouse
20-01-2017, 11:01
Is Berdy rolling over? :rolleyes:
Wilander and Becker are cringe. Waldorf and Statler would be better.
I don't think I can stand all this fedulation for another two sets - it has to be the mute button.
hfwardhouse
20-01-2017, 11:06
I don't think I can stand all this fedulation for another two sets - it has to be the mute button.
So glad I'm at work ... c'mon Berdy ....
Berdych, wasting space since forever. :rolleyes:
Berdych should have to buy his own kit and Evo have his Adidas contract.
Thought this would be much closer and honestly thought Berdy could edge it.
Berdych should have to buy his own kit and Evo have his Adidas contract.
I'm not watching so don't know what Berdy's wearing today, but some of his kits have been shocking - not what I'd like to see Dan in!
JAMES4578
20-01-2017, 11:17
Yeah thought Berdy was in all likelihood fav for this but pretty poor performance thus far, Fed up a set and break-now 3-1. Whilst not fan of him personally,appreciate game and would probably prefer him to be around a bit longer,still hoping for better match though.
themass15
20-01-2017, 11:19
Commies fawning over Federer
Just come back from the park to this. How the heck is Berdych folding against a 35, almost 36 year old? Talking about choking......!!!
I'm not watching so don't know what Berdy's wearing today, but some of his kits have been shocking - not what I'd like to see Dan in!
That was when he was with H&M, he's been with Adidas for about a year. Berdych is their face of men's tennis. :laugh:
hfwardhouse
20-01-2017, 11:25
sigh .... I think I'll close livescores and go and do some work ....
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 11:29
I'm not writing Tomas off yet. Fed off to a flyer because he knows his best chance is to do it in 3. If Berdy can weather Fed's barrage, and extend the match, then I think he can still come through.
There's positive thinking, and then there's whatever RB is smoking...
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 11:31
There's positive thinking, and then there's whatever RB is smoking...
We'll see. If Tomas can take this to 4th/5th, old man Fed would fade.
Berdych is going through the motions. He has not an iota of belief he he can win this. Isn't his new coach Cillic's cast off.
hfwardhouse
20-01-2017, 11:35
There's positive thinking, and then there's whatever RB is smoking...
:rolling:
Berdych won 4 points on Fed's serve in the set, 2 in that game, so something Berdy could improve on. ;)
I am not a betting woman, but would throw a shekel or two on Berdych being broken now.
Yep. Federer isn't winning this. Berdych is handing it to him, fully gift wrapped with priority delivery.
sir coolerking
20-01-2017, 11:46
So for those of us who are not watching, is Federer actually playing any decent tennis, or not being required to? Who will start fave when he plays Kei?
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 11:46
Yep. Federer isn't winning this. Berdych is handing it to him, fully gift wrapped with priority delivery.
That's so harsh Teresa. Whatever the scoreline Tomas keeps trying. Fed is out playing him at the minute and is too good for him. An absolute barrage for a quick win, just like Fed did to Andy at Wimbo 2015 (85% first serves). Tomas only hope is to scramble to extend the match and hope Fed fades. But if that doesn't happen there is no shame in Tomas being out played by Fed.
Andy didn't get a break point in that Wimbo semi never mind a break - did he gift it to Fed as well??
JAMES4578
20-01-2017, 11:50
With Fed now up 3-1 can pretty much assume it's over now. Disappointing contest,certainly Berdy gave Fed a head start but the Switz star still showing impressive form after a long break. However really can't see Thomas ever winning slam ,despite some giving him a outside shot.
That's so harsh Teresa. Whatever the scoreline Tomas keeps trying. Fed is out playing him at the minute and is too good for him. An absolute barrage for a quick win, just like Fed did to Andy at Wimbo 2015 (85% first serves). Tomas only hope is to scramble to extend the match and hope Fed fades. But if that doesn't happen there is no shame in Tomas being out played by Fed.
Andy didn't get a break point in that Wimbo semi never mind a break - did he gift it to Fed as well??
I disagree. Berdych is playing someone who has been out for 6 months, and is almost 36. Federer should not be running rings round him in this way. Berdych is giving it to him. I don't think Berdych is trying. He is going through the motions.
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 11:58
I disagree. Berdych is playing someone who has been out for 6 months and 36 years old Federer should not be running rings round him in this way. Berdych is giving it to him. I don't think Berdych is trying. He is going through the motions.
Irrelevant. Fed is playing amazingly well today - so your script is meaningless because Fed is defying it.
themass15
20-01-2017, 12:07
I must say Federer is playing scarily well today. He must think he has a good chance of going all the way now.
"Roger looks invincible.......he's everything we love about this sport". Mark Petchey.
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 12:11
Bad luck Tomas :sad: Bit scary from Fed :sofa: Really do not want Andy facing a Fed-attack like Wimbo 15 :eek: But will cross that bridge if we come to it.:peace:
themass15
20-01-2017, 12:11
You have to hand it to him at 35 years of age, all I can say is what out the rest of the field.
themass15
20-01-2017, 12:12
Bad luck Tomas :sad: Bit scary from Fed :sofa: Really do not want Andy facing a Fed-attack like Wimbo 15 :eek: But will cross that bridge if we come to it.:peace:
I was at Wimbledon that day in the front row and it didn't make good viewing
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 12:15
I was at Wimbledon that day in the front row and it didn't make good viewing
I can imagine - was absolutely galling. Fingers tightly x'd Kei at least takes something out of Fed's tank. Fed can't sustain it for 5 sets - hence his fades against Nole in US open final 15 and Raonic Wimbo last year. Got to get him in loooong matches.
Didn't we all Rog? ;)
Svenja Mastroberardi @svenja_mastro
More Vintage Federer on Swiss TV: "I was disappointed in Berdych's return, I expect a bit more from a top player."
themass15
20-01-2017, 12:39
You are right RB to have any chance of beating him you have to get him into a long match. Go Kei in the first instance but don't see it happening after that performance.
themass15
20-01-2017, 12:39
Federer's confidence hasn't been dimmed in his time off!
Thought Berdych might at least get one set, so that's disappointing. We need Keith to really push Fed now. However, if Andy is going to lift the title then in some ways it might not be a bad thing if he's got to get past Fed, Stanimal and Rafa to do it! Obviously would prefer him not to have to take that route, but if he did then no one could say "ah but he didn't have to play any of the other big 4/5/10 (choose your number)".
I'm not a Fed fan (shock horror) but even I have to grudgingly admire his style of play and at 36 after 6 months off it is pretty amazing. Part of me would love Andy to play him and totally boss him off the court :)
sloveniadave
20-01-2017, 13:03
A Murray v Federer match up in the QFs would be fascinating in terms of the psychology though, and so many possible scenarios. At one extreme you have Andy whipping Roger, putting him firmly in his place, and showing him his best days are over. At the other extreme you have Andy under pressure, knowing he should win, but up against someone who has had the voodoo spell over him in the past. And in the middle, you have a titanic five-setter.
But I think Andy, having won the ATP Finals, beaten Nole and got to Number One, is in a very good place now. For sure he would be nervous playing Roger but I don't think he would be intimidated any more.
My bet would be on Murray to win in 4 (and my other bet is that they both win their 4th round matches with something to spare).
roytennisfan
20-01-2017, 13:41
I can imagine - was absolutely galling. Fingers tightly x'd Kei at least takes something out of Fed's tank. Fed can't sustain it for 5 sets - hence his fades against Nole in US open final 15 and Raonic Wimbo last year. Got to get him in loooong matches.
Roger choked before he faded at Wimbledon, so at least part of that was mental, but yes here's to a long 5 set r16 match, however it will be hard to elongate Federer's service games.
Thought Berdych might at least get one set, so that's disappointing. We need Keith to really push Fed now. However, if Andy is going to lift the title then in some ways it might not be a bad thing if he's got to get past Fed, Stanimal and Rafa to do it! Obviously would prefer him not to have to take that route, but if he did then no one could say "ah but he didn't have to play any of the other big 4/5/10 (choose your number)".
I'm not a Fed fan (shock horror) but even I have to grudgingly admire his style of play and at 36 after 6 months off it is pretty amazing. Part of me would love Andy to play him and totally boss him off the court :)
From now and for evermore it will be "Keith Nishikori". :laugh::laugh:
Josephine
20-01-2017, 16:45
Saw some of Federer match - enough to see it was downright cruelty to Berdych. I felt sorry for him. Federer was amazing - pointless to try to blame his opponent. Quite concerning for any possible future match with Andy. Fed is playing ultra aggressively to avoid long points / matches. And he has the skills to do it consistently.
And yes it was reminiscent of the 2015 Wimbledon semi when Roger served Andy off court (excruciatingly).
Saw some of Federer match - enough to see it was downright cruelty to Berdych. I felt sorry for him. Federer was amazing - pointless to try to blame his opponent. Quite concerning for any possible future match with Andy.
And yes reminiscent of the 2015 Wimbledon semi when Roger served Andy off court (excrutiatingly).
Even if Feddykins did beat Nishikori, would he really manage beating 3 players in the top 10 in a row, as the matches must take it out of him a bit ? Mind you beating 2 top 10ers could potentially make him more match tight.
Josephine
20-01-2017, 16:59
Well I certainly hope not.... But his strategy is to use the least amount of energy by winning the points quickly. Most of the ones I saw were unreturned serves or 3 shot rallies. For sure Andy would do better than Berdy if it comes to that, but quite a challenge.
DonaldGrump
20-01-2017, 16:59
If Roger Federer can beat Nishikori, Murray and then likely Wawrinka to reach a grand slam final at 35 then all the best too him fair play....You would have to say in that case arguments about whether he is the greatest of all time would really be ended.
I for one thought that Berdych would have pushed him today, but then Berdych has been on the decline for some time now. It will be very interesting to see how he goes against Nishikori, but again this is a player who seems to fold against a big name unless said big name has a paddy over a large gong sounding noise during the match of course.
If I remember rightly, after his outstanding semi against Andy, Fed was pretty ordinary in the final against Djoko. He may well have played his match of the tournament.
Josephine
20-01-2017, 17:09
Well it was 4 sets and Novak was at his peak.
Watching Federer today, I too was reminded of that 2015 SF with Andy at Wimbledon when even Fed was amazed at his play then, but, correct me if I am wrong, he couldn't sustain it in his next match? Djok beat him in four sets.
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 19:09
Watching Federer today, I too was reminded of that 2015 SF with Andy at Wimbledon when even Fed was amazed at his play then, but, correct me if I am wrong, he couldn't sustain it in his next match? Djok beat him in four sets.
Correct - Fed didn't come anywhere near replicating his form in the final against Nole. He saved the outrageous 85% fsp just for Andy :rolleyes:
If I remember rightly, after his outstanding semi against Andy, Fed was pretty ordinary in the final against Djoko. He may well have played his match of the tournament.
Sorry Alis. Only saw this after I had posted and glad that you have confirmed what I thought, that Fed couldn't sustain his form in the 2015 Wimbledon final after his dismissal of Andy.
lovetennis
20-01-2017, 19:52
If I remember rightly, after his outstanding semi against Andy, Fed was pretty ordinary in the final against Djoko. He may well have played his match of the tournament.
I haven't seen the Fed v Berdy match but reading the reports this came to my mind too. I think Fed always has a bit of extra motivation when playing Andy -I don't think he will ever forgive Andy for beating him to the Olympic gold medal at London 2012. Right from when Wimbledon was announced as the Olympic venue he stated he would win the gold there and can't forgive Andy for taking it. I think he uses this to turn on a special performance (and kudos to him for being able to do so) but these near faultless performances tend to be followed by a let-down. That let down may come after today's match and Kei's no slouch so will be a tough opponent
Well it was 4 sets and Novak was at his peak.I think the first two sets both went to a tie break and could have gone either way but then Fed ran out of steam. His first serve percentage throughout the match was nowhere near where it had been in the semi - he effectively had shot his bolt. I remember it well because it was one of the few times I was actually rooting for Fed! It will be very interesting to see what happens when he plays Kei.
Score for 2015 Wimbledon final was 7-6 6-7 6-4 6-3!
Josephine
20-01-2017, 20:16
Bad luck Tomas :sad: Bit scary from Fed :sofa: Really do not want Andy facing a Fed-attack like Wimbo 15 :eek: But will cross that bridge if we come to it.:peace:
Think this is a very scary post. If even RB has a wobble, what hope for the rest of us?? :shocked::nailbiter:;)
RosieBear
20-01-2017, 20:25
Think this is a very scary post. If even RB has a wobble, what hope for the rest of us?? :shocked::nailbiter:;)
:laugh: Well my last wobble - meeting Stan in RG semi last year - was completely unfounded, so I'm sure this one will be too!
So - in Andy's half of the draw, the 7 other remaining players include Roger, Keith (am totally calling him Keith from now on), Stan, Jo Wilf and Dan Evans.
In my opinion it is by far the most interesting of the 2 halves of the draw. Can we not just make these 4th round matches the quarter finals and dispense with the bottom half of the draw? No disrespect to Rafa, Milos, Ferru et al, but the top half is a peach of a lineup.
Plenty of talk about Roger's pretty systematic despatch of Berdych. The win down to 3 basic factors really: Roger did play well, Tomas didn't play his best - and Roger knows how to exploit Tomas' weaknesses very well - that's 6 wins in a row for Rog against him. Even if he's undercooked, Roger will still beat Tomas - he's got a gameplan well worked out.
Andy just has to concentrate on his next opponent - Zverev. An interesting opponent - serve/ volley and one of Andy's peers from junior days. It is really that simple. Whether it's Roger or Keith next, both will be opponents capable of beating him, so there's no point in pondering that just now. The semi finalist is likely to be a tough proposition too.
Worth mentioning that with Dan's amazing run, it's the first time that 2 Brits have made the 4th round of a men's singles slam since the days of Tim & Greg - back in 2001, I think.
I am going to go on the basis that if Andy navigates his draw and gets through to the final then he will be match tough. His fitness is not in question. Make the final and he will win it. Even if it's Rafa on the other side.
Think maybe I need to throw in a :cauldron:
Zverev has taken the first set against Rafa.
themass15
21-01-2017, 06:23
Looks like Rafa is going to get the 2nd though.
One set all in that match now.
Zverev wins the third set tie-break to go two sets to one up against Nadal - good match.
The set point was incredible with Zverev just crushing the ball again and again but they kept coming back that you just expected him to net one.
RosieBear
21-01-2017, 07:39
I've got a real soft spot for young Sascha. Hope he can hold it together for the win (esp since big bro is going to be dispatched tomorrow :peace: ) C'mon :cheer:
I agree - I'd like Sascha to come through this but Rafa has just gone 3-0 up in this set. There's a long way to go yet.
M.Zverev looking very stressed watching little brother. ;)
RosieBear
21-01-2017, 07:57
I've been watching less than half an hour, but already irritated with Rafa's "bum, shoulders, ears and nose" routine. I know he's always done it, and the guy's probably a bit ocd, but it drives me up the wall :rolleyes: C'mon Sascha :cheer:
It's the leaping fist pumps which get me. He did one right in Zverev's face after Sascha missed a relatively easy volley at the net. Not cool, just like his hair plugs. ;)
At this rate, Dimitrov/Gasquet won't be on until midnight and it's a match which has 5 set marathon written all over it.
Istomin wins another 5 setter beating Carreno Busta 6-4 4-6 6-4 4-6 6-2.
Well done to Istomin in backing up his amazing win against Djoko with a win against another seeded player. Predictably, Nadal takes the fourth set and breaks in the first game of the fifth. C'mon Sascha!
themass15
21-01-2017, 08:43
Really pleased for Istomin. He is up to 79 in the live rankings now which will help him get into other tournaments.
themass15
21-01-2017, 08:43
Rafa in a real dogfight. I do hope he comes through.
RosieBear
21-01-2017, 09:15
Such a shame young Sascha's body let him down, Rafa got lucky there :sad:
roytennisfan
21-01-2017, 09:18
Rafa in a real dogfight. I do hope he comes through.
He does, fighting last set from Rafa 6-2, Sascha future #1? not sure I agree with that! But certainly more impressive than when Dan ko'd him at Flushing meadow (credit to Dan being difficult!) but still had 16 more errors than winners.
themass15
21-01-2017, 09:23
Pleased Rafa came through, but what a future Sascha has. He will surely be a future No. 1.
RosieBear
21-01-2017, 09:23
Looking forward to Dimi v Gasquet. No preference on who wins, should just be a stunning match.:swingin:
Such a shame young Sascha's body let him down, Rafa got lucky there :sad:
Poor Sascha - cramp is horrible. Hopefully, like Andy did, he will take that as a lesson and work hard off court to make sure that doesn't happen again.
roytennisfan
21-01-2017, 10:15
Raonic through, pity Simon couldn't hold after breaking back in the 4th set but he did break Raonic 3 times
Yes, I was hoping that one would go to five.
JAMES4578
21-01-2017, 10:58
Looks like Nadal/A. Zverev was a real tussle with Rafa being physically stronger in the end-pity about the cramps. However think only a matter of time before Alex goes deep in a slam. Impressive that Istomin came through another 5 setter, also bit of a challenge for Raonic from Simon!
Men match scheduled for Rl still waiting could be close to midnight if it go's to three set
Crazy time to start a tennis match IMHO
Looks like Nadal/A. Zverev was a real tussle with Rafa being physically stronger in the end-pity about the cramps. However think only a matter of time before Alex goes deep in a slam. Impressive that Istomin came through another 5 setter, also bit of a challenge for Raonic from Simon!
Enjoyed Rafa/Sascha match all the same. It was interesting to read Jamie's twitter post as to why he thought Sascha cramped: "Big reason Zverev cramping - he's refused to come to net since missed volleys at end of third set. Had million opportunities to come forward"
He would make a good commie! Good point though?
Crazy time to start a tennis match IMHO
It is, but it's a great way to spend a Saturday!! Beats doing chores!
lovetennis
21-01-2017, 13:50
It is, but it's a great way to spend a Saturday!! Beats doing chores!
Yes I've abandoned the housework, finally getting to watch some AO live tennis
Poor Sascha - cramp is horrible. Hopefully, like Andy did, he will take that as a lesson and work hard off court to make sure that doesn't happen again.
Its one of the most painful things there is and I often wonder why the rules are so strict about having it treated. I suppose it's up to the player to make sure his body is conditioned? But still, cruel to have to wait to the change over and then not be allowed MTO. I know some players manipulate it a bit by claiming injury when it's most likely to be cramp. That is for another day!
JAMES4578
21-01-2017, 13:57
Crazy time to start a tennis match IMHO
It is, but it's a great way to spend a Saturday!! Beats doing chores!
Maybe a bit ridiculous to start match so late but happens an odd time in Melbourne (will be problems with transport), mind you it's fine for us! Interesting match and Dimi setting the pace thus far, up a set and a break-like both of them really. Hope Richie can get back into it.
lovetennis
21-01-2017, 13:58
Dimi on fire at the moment. I do enjoy watching him :drool:
How well is Dimtrov playing? On this form I'd make him the favourite to make the final from the other half of the draw which I'm grateful he's in. ;)
As for late starts, let's not forget Andy starting at 1am against Kohlschreiber (who he'd beaten 2 days previously in the delayed Munich final) in Madrid in 2015 and the match not finishing till after 3am. He then had to play Granollers the "next" day. As it turned out it was all good practice for winning the tournament.
Dimi is playing great but Gasquet is letting him. Good to watch though.
roytennisfan
21-01-2017, 15:00
Dimi is playing great but Gasquet is letting him. Good to watch though.
Seems well past Gasquet's bed time, think he is making Dmitrov look better than he is but he doesn't have a lot to beat to make the semi final, Just Thiem or Goff, then either Rafa or Raonic in the semi
Sallydaisy
21-01-2017, 15:06
AO HIGHLIGHT on BBC2 for the next hour and 25mins.
Seems well past Gasquet's bed time, think he is making Dmitrov look better than he is but he doesn't have a lot to beat to make the semi final, Just Thiem or Goff, then either Rafa or Raonic in the semi
Neither of those are likely to be as easy as today.... but he does have Istomin first!
JAMES4578
21-01-2017, 15:12
Dimi certainly in great form but Gasquet didn't really challenge him today, still well done!
The 4th round matches:
Andy-M.Zverev
Federer-Keith
Wawrinka-Seppi
Tsonga-Evo
Nadal-Monfils
Raonic-Bautista Agut
Thiem-Goffin
Dimitrov-Istomin
david1610
21-01-2017, 20:44
What time did they finish playing last "night"?
Glad for Istomin that he won again and so can feel a tide has turned, rather than just having a one-off result, however memorable that was!
david1610
22-01-2017, 01:19
Anyone watching. Herbert just served FOUR DFs in one game and Inglot and Mergea will serve for the match against the word no. 1 pair. This would be SO good for Jamie as well.
Inglot and Mergea lost. Bruno is playing mixed doubles, why isn't Jamie, or have I got that wrong?
The 4th round matches:
Andy-M.Zverev
Federer-Keith
Wawrinka-Seppi
Tsonga-Evo
Nadal-Monfils
Raonic-Bautista Agut
Thiem-Goffin
Dimitrov-Istomin
I feel a song coming on.... All together now:
Hold a chicken in the air
Stick a deckchair up your nose
Buy a jumbo jet
And then bury all your clothes
Paint your left knee green
Then extract your wisdom teeth
Form a string quartet
And pretend Kie's name is Keith
:boogie::party::band:
Keith has just shown how rubbish Berdych was the other night. Keep it going Keith.
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 08:41
Banzai Keith :cheer:
Here's hoping Tsonga can serve like that against Wawrinka. Great effort and tournament from Dan. :clap: :clap:
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 08:47
I wouldn't mind seeing Big Jo take the title either. Shame he's in the same half as Keith.
oh-oh Fed gets a break back.
Come on Keith!
JAMES4578
22-01-2017, 08:50
I'll stick to Kei and was apparently firmly in control,however Fed got one break back for 3-5.
themass15
22-01-2017, 08:50
Federer getting back into it now.
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 08:57
Oh Keith :facepalm: That said Fed looking frightening again.
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 09:14
Well done Keith - Fed was charging at him like a crazed Zebra, but fended off. Keep going :cheer:
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 09:52
Make him run Keith. Keep going :cheer:
themass15
22-01-2017, 09:53
This is a 50/50 but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Federer comes through.
This is a 50/50 but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Federer comes through.
Unfortunately you could be right.
Not a good day! Disappointed Andy went out and now Kei looking to be the same.
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 10:39
Kei kat's only chance is to try and turn this into a physical battle. Trouble is Fed's super aggressive tactics makes that incredibly difficult to do.
Kei still battling away and leading 4-3 in the fourth
Two sets all ......... go Kei :thumbup:
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 10:59
Into a decider - well done Kei - now grind him down!
Come on Kei. Don't let him of off the hook now.
Whoopee! Go Kei - your legs are younger than Fed's!
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 11:08
Uh Oh :hmm:
themass15
22-01-2017, 11:10
Looks like Fed is going to take it.
We've had many Golden days in the past but today will be known as BLACK Sunday.
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 11:14
It's still relatively early in the tournament and unfortunately for Kei it looks like Fed has enough in the tank for a battle - his 5 set fades of recent years have tended to come in later rounds.
We've had many Golden days in the past but today will be known as BLACK Sunday.
Please no. A bloke who was obviously exhausted due to his run to No 1 lost. It's not black, it's not even grey. Yes it's disappointing, but it's completely expected. If it wasn't today it would have been Tuesday or Thursday. Please can we have some perspective.
It was with a very, very heavy heart that I scrubbed through Andy's name, then with a very heavy heart through Dan's name, and Seppi's name. I really don't want to have to scrub through Kei's name.
It was with a very, very heavy heart that I scrubbed through Andy's name, then with a very heavy heart through Dan's name, and Seppi's name. I really don't want to have to scrub through Kei's name.
Try to accept that today's loss is the price for that amazing end of year run. A bit like losing to Anderson at the US Open in 2015, paved the way for the DC final. Then he paid up before. Today he has paid up after. It's sad, but I just can't see it as the tragedy people are making it out to be.
Please no. A bloke who was obviously exhausted due to his run to No 1 lost. It's not black, it's not even grey. Yes it's disappointing, but it's completely expected. If it wasn't today it would have been Tuesday or Thursday. Please can we have some perspective.
It's called ying and yang. If we get all upbeat when Andy et all do well we are allowed to slide the other way.
When everything is all golden and rosie yippeeee party party boogie boogie I've never seen anyone come n
post "Now now it's not that good let's have some perspective.
Oh and it's put a big spoke in RB's Acca.
Sorry about that Rosiebear.:flowers:
In the future when we are in a similar position as we were yesterday again, we will
be able to say ah remember black Sunday it seems like an age ago now.
Like black other days of the week in the money markets, of which there have been many.
We bounce back we know it's not the end of the world, but it hurts at the time when a big
chunk of your pension or investment goes west, because something lost momentum and
was exhausted. Which I don't think it was exhaustion. But that's my opinion. A lot of factors
came into play. Also it's not only Andy's lose that I named today BLACK Sunday
Kie's just gone out and after Feds jumping celebration my other half has just summed it up
by saying "He can now smell another AO."
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 11:41
It's sayonara Keef :sad: Just have to respect Fed tho. 36 years old or not, he's a *real* contender.:bravo: (inspiring to think of how many years of top level tennis Andy has left :thumbup:)
Would LOVE to see JWT grab the title though - he's paid his dues in a tough era.
Amazing, says she through gritted teeth.
It's sayonara Keef :sad: Just have to respect Fed tho. 36 years old or not, he's a *real* contender.:bravo: (inspiring to think of how many years of top level tennis Andy has left :thumbup:)
Would LOVE to see JWT grab the title though - he's paid his dues in a tough era.
+1
There you go that's how you pull a positive out of the flames.
:thumbup:
HoopGirl
22-01-2017, 11:55
It's sayonara Keef :sad: Just have to respect Fed tho. 36 years old or not, he's a *real* contender.:bravo: (inspiring to think of how many years of top level tennis Andy has left :thumbup:)
Would LOVE to see JWT grab the title though - he's paid his dues in a tough era.
What or who is sayonara keef RB?
themass15
22-01-2017, 11:55
I am afraid that is what you have to say about Fed's performance at 35.5 years of age; it is amazing.
JAMES4578
22-01-2017, 12:01
Certainly great performance from Fed after slow start-thought he'd take in 4 but was convincing in the 5th, would've liked to have seen Kei gone further though. On a technical point Roger isn't 36 till August :) Still think it'll be difficult for him to go all the way but of course wouldn't count him out. Really can't see Andy playing quite so long though should should have a good few years left. Think I would like to see Tsonga win his first slam too but not sure it's that likely.
themass15
22-01-2017, 12:02
I think it could be Raonic now, he has a good record against Fed.
I'm no Fed fan but he has played incredibly well this week and his longevity is just amazing. Maybe it's because no-one expected much of him and he has nothing to lose. Personally, I would rather Fed won than Raonic for all sorts of reasons and if he does manage to do it at 35 after having six months off, you just have to take your hat off to him. I'm rooting for Jo-Willy too now - would love to see him do it or, of course, Zverev - wouldn't that just be the all time fairy story?
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 12:14
It's called ying and yang. If we get all upbeat when Andy et all do well we are allowed to slide the other way.
When everything is all golden and rosie yippeeee party party boogie boogie I've never seen anyone come n
post "Now now it's not that good let's have some perspective.
Oh and it's put a big spoke in RB's Acca.
Sorry about that Rosiebear.:flowers:
In the future when we are in a similar position as we were yesterday again, we will
be able to say ah remember black Sunday it seems like an age ago now.
Like black other days of the week in the money markets, of which there have been many.
We bounce back we know it's not the end of the world, but it hurts at the time when a big
chunk of your pension or investment goes west, because something lost momentum and
was exhausted. Which I don't think it was exhaustion. But that's my opinion. A lot of factors
came into play. Also it's not only Andy's lose that I named today BLACK Sunday
Kie's just gone out and after Feds jumping celebration my other half has just summed it up
by saying "He can now smell another AO."
Aw Jags :grouphug: I can't make you feel better about Andy, but don't be upset for me - I'd only have spent the winnings in hard drugs anyway :laugh: (but thank you so much for thinking of me :))
RosieBear
22-01-2017, 12:19
What or who is sayonara keef RB?
Sayonara = Japanese for goodbye. Keef = Keith, i.e. Kei's new autocorrect inspired moniker.
Aw Jags :grouphug: I can't make you feel better about Andy, but don't be upset for me - I'd only have spent the winnings in hard drugs anyway :laugh: (but thank you so much for thinking of me :))Viagra?
Rosalind
22-01-2017, 15:18
For me it would be lovely if Tsonga won,
or if necessary Milos - tired out for DC!
Not Fed - obviously. Not Stan - don't want him improving his gran slam numbers. If it has to be one of the older timers, then Nadal.
themass15
22-01-2017, 15:25
My favourite to win now would be Rafa or JWT then Fed. A good point about Raonic though, it would be good if he got through to semis so he doesn't have too much time before DC.
banskogirl
22-01-2017, 17:10
Gutted today but now I would prefer Fed to win to stop ALL the sports people talking about only one slam being the limit for anyone over 30!
Apart from that I would prefer Jo-Willy or Rafa!
themass15
22-01-2017, 17:24
Gutted today but now I would prefer Fed to win to stop ALL the sports people talking about only one slam being the limit for anyone over 30!
Apart from that I would prefer Jo-Willy or Rafa!
Same 3 as me but in a different order.
oop for Monday - http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/index.html
Aw Jags :grouphug: I can't make you feel better about Andy, but don't be upset for me - I'd only have spent the winnings in hard drugs anyway :laugh: (but thank you so much for thinking of me :))
No problem at all RB I for one was cheering when you became a Mod' thanks for the hug but I'm fine it ain't that big a deal, really.
Lets just cheer Jo on now...:GBflag::yahoo:
Federer scheduled for the night match on RLA again giving him a 4 out of 5 record which would be remarkable even for a top seed let alone the seventeenth. Call it sour grapes and say it's the same for both players but as #1 seed, Andy has been on the end of second class scheduling. He intimated it himself in his press conference yesterday when mentioning how different conditions in the evening are when it's 20C. How he would have preferred playing Zverev in the evening. The tournament doing everything to keep the "feel good" story going.
themass15
23-01-2017, 10:35
Bound to happen whilst Federer is playing. He will be given precedence over everyone. Rafa pretty much gets the same treatment too.
Third seed Raonic is in the quarter-finals and has yet to play on RLA.
themass15
23-01-2017, 12:35
Perhaps his style of play doesn't sit well with the organisers. Bound to be on there for his next match though.
JAMES4578
23-01-2017, 12:50
Nadal through 6-4 in the 4th over Monfils and will face Raonic in the quarters. However was hoping for a 5th when Gael went up 4-2. Glad to see Dimitrov through,though by all account Istomin jaded after 2nd, would've preferred Thiem through but not too surprised Goffin won in 4 (also like him though). Grigor and David face off.
Monfils's entire career summed up in that last game.
oop for Tuesday - http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/index.html
Federer scheduled for the night match on RLA again giving him a 4 out of 5 record which would be remarkable even for a top seed let alone the seventeenth. Call it sour grapes and say it's the same for both players but as #1 seed, Andy has been on the end of second class scheduling. He intimated it himself in his press conference yesterday when mentioning how different conditions in the evening are when it's 20C. How he would have preferred playing Zverev in the evening. The tournament doing everything to keep the "feel good" story going.
It's the tournament's loss as well as Andy's. Mind you, Andy has often been at the end of second class scheduling at the Australian Open.
RosieBear
23-01-2017, 18:58
Nadal through 6-4 in the 4th over Monfils and will face Raonic in the quarters. However was hoping for a 5th when Gael went up 4-2. Glad to see Dimitrov through,though by all account Istomin jaded after 2nd, would've preferred Thiem through but not too surprised Goffin won in 4 (also like him though). Grigor and David face off.
I had the same problem James - I like both Dom and Goff, was a shame one had to go, but I suppose at least it ensures a favourite goes through. It will be the same for me when Goff plays Dimi - I really like both (wish it was the final!). Whereas indifferent to who wins Rafa/Raonic. On the one hand I wish it was Goff/Rafa and Dimi/Raonic, but on the other hand it's nice to know that either Goff or Dimi are guaranteed to progress.
banskogirl
23-01-2017, 23:11
Have picked Fed to win in the FTM but would love Zerev to pull off the win, even to show that Andy was beaten by someone the media have heard of TWICE!
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 05:13
Some great hitting in the battle of heavyweights, Stan takes the first set on the tb. Their h2h is 4-3 in Stan's favour but all been close matches and expecting another. I like both players but prefer JWT to come through as I don't think he'll ever have a better opportunity to grab a slam. Allez Big Jo.
themass15
24-01-2017, 05:38
Just woken up and come down to see Jo break Stan. Come on Jo!
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 05:54
Stan 2 sets up now. Extremely difficult for JWT to come back now....but keep going Jo!
Stan breaks at the beginning of the third - looks as though it's not to be for Jo.
themass15
24-01-2017, 06:08
Has Jo not got it in him or does just not try hard enough?
Has Jo not got it in him or does just not try hard enough?
I don't think it's about trying. I think he is like Henman - very, very good, but lacks that minuscule bit extra that makes the difference.
I have a lot of time for JWT every since I read an article about how tough it was slogging away week after week, getting within sight of the major prizes, but never getting his hands on them. He is also the only one who has any real idea of how difficult it is to have the unending pressure and expectation that a home Slam brings.
I too will be royally ****** off if he swings another slam. However I think this one is Federer or Nadal's, or Raonic's.
themass15
24-01-2017, 06:37
As much as I like Stan I do not want him to win this tournament but he had a very easy match today.
Malaiseous
24-01-2017, 06:57
As much as I like Stan I do not want him to win this tournament but he had a very easy match today.
I think it is inevitable that Stan will win this slam and that we just have to prepare ourselves for the pundits who will then say he is a better player than Andy. Especially Pat Cash, who for some reason I don't understand, clearly detests Andy.
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 07:02
I don't think it's about trying. I think he is like Henman - very, very good, but lacks that minuscule bit extra that makes the difference.
I have a lot of time for JWT every since I read an article about how tough it was slogging away week after week, getting within sight of the major prizes, but never getting his hands on them. He is also the only one who has any real idea of how difficult it is to have the unending pressure and expectation that a home Slam brings.
I too will be royally ****** off if he swings another slam. However I think this one is Federer or Nadal's, or Raonic's.
Ditto Teresa :) It's also why I have got plenty of time, and will always stand up for our friend Tomas B ;)
And sorry but I don't buy into the anti Stan sentiment. He hasn't swung or fluked any of his slam titles - beat Nole to get them all. 3-4 slams is an accurate reflection of his talent. That's not to say that Andy isn't a much more talented player - he most certainly is - and imo 6-8 slams (at this point, not by the end of his career) would be an accurate reflection of Andy's talent. There are, of course, several reasons why 6-8 slams isn't the current reality for Andy, most obviously the ground he lost to back surgery. But there is also no escaping the fact that Andy hasn't always done his incredible talent justice in slam finals - been tentative in several. Stan waited even longer than Andy to break through, wanted it just as much, would have felt just as nervous in slam finals but found it within himself to play bold, brave tennis. 100% record is incredibly impressive and I for one have no qualms about acknowledging that and tipping my hat. As much as I love Andy and it will hurt me on his behalf if Stan overtakes him, this is competitive sport and it is on Andy to pull away and assert his superiority.
Darned schedulers. Thought Jo v Serena would definitely be the night match so I could watch at breakfast time, but no, 2am. Thanks a lot. Is it just me or has there been little regard for timings for UK audiences this year? Grrrrr.
Rosalind
24-01-2017, 07:58
Ignore the pundits if Stan wins - who is no 1? Who is much more consistent ? Rather Stan than Federer - I find his British fans who are not Andy supporters obnoxious.
Confirmation that Tsonga & Wawrinka are not best buddies after this (https://twitter.com/doublefault28/status/823763089850060800) happened at the end of the first set. I remember Wawrinka got into fight in a toilet with some of the French players at the Davis Cup final in 2014.
I think it is inevitable that Stan will win this slam and that we just have to prepare ourselves for the pundits who will then say he is a better player than Andy. Especially Pat Cash, who for some reason I don't understand, clearly detests Andy.
There is nothing 'inevitable' about this slam
Think Fed will walk this, which will annoy Andy more, but hope he doesn't walk all the way.
murrayfan89
24-01-2017, 08:45
Federer wins first set comfortably 6-1. Zverev not looking the same player that beat Andy.
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 08:50
Fed beat Mischa love and love last time they met and I have little doubt Fed is going to massacre him again. :sofa:
Edit: good match to watch, and Mischa more competitive in the second set - good for him :thumbup:
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 09:12
Go on Zverev - break him for the set :swingin:
murrayfan89
24-01-2017, 09:20
Much better from Zverev but still not quite enough. Federer up 2 sets now, can't see him losing this one.
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 09:22
Fed two set up in less than an hour.:sofa: Tbh, I'm relieved Andy, if he is a bit tired/off, didn't have to face Fed.
Zerev nothing like the player he was against Andy and Federer is getting everything past him so far unfortunately.
RosieBear
24-01-2017, 09:40
Fed in frightening form again. Poor Mischa.
themass15
24-01-2017, 09:50
Fed two set up in less than an hour.:sofa: Tbh, I'm relieved Andy, if he is a bit tired/off, didn't have to face Fed.
Me too, it would have been awful to have witnessed. I think he will be much less smug after this win than he would have been against Andy.
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