AUSTRALIAN OPEN 2017 - 16-29 Jan - Main discussion thread - Men's

[Josephine]

Saw Fed in Hopman Cup first match looking in devastating form and Nadal looking pretty scary in Adu Dhabi too.

Felt a bit worried even then and they are both fulfilling that now.

Federer showing how it should be done. Impose yourself.

Stan will obviously be more of a handful.

[Jane]

:crying:

[hfwardhouse]

Aw man :crying:

[RosieBear]

Wow. Fed is something else. Was scared of him since his match against Berdych. Would not be least bit surprised if he took the title.

[themass15]

Me neither, but Stan will provide a much sterner test. Like Stan earlier he did not spend a lot of time on the Court today.

[roytennisfan]

Roger won easily in 3 as I had expected, Mischa did well to get 5 games in the second set. Against Stan, Roger is 18-3 and all 3 losses were on Clay Courts. It will take a massive performance from Stan to win!

[JAMES4578]

Whilst hoped for a better contest, not surprised Fed won so convincingly and certainly in form, Stan will be sterner test though. Fairly comfortable for Wawrinka too, pity that Tsonga didn't get closer.

[Speedy Hawk]

Federer play lot better and beat Zerev easier than I expect. I know he play well against Berdych but he seem lose high level play next round when he play last year. It kinda like wow then awful then wow then awful. lol.

[harriet]

interesting contrast, fedX attacks and andy defends; fedX's game better suited to countering zverev. i thought zverev played pretty well, millimetres lost points for him, and he was not able to master fedX's little drop/chip returns of serve.

[david1610]

Saw Fed in Hopman Cup first match looking in devastating form and Nadal looking pretty scary in Adu Dhabi too.

Felt a bit worried even then and they are both fulfilling that now.

Federer showing how it should be done. Impose yourself.

Stan will obviously be more of a handful.
There is a certainly the possibility of a Roger-Rafa final. Who would have thought?
And I would rather one of them won rather than Stan, to be honest. Stan winning harms Andy's "narrative" much more.

[sir coolerking]

There is a certainly the possibility of a Roger-Rafa final. Who would have thought?
And I would rather one of them won rather than Stan, to be honest. Stan winning harms Andy's "narrative" much more.

The sad truth is that Stan has worked out a style of play to succeed in Grandslams more so than Andy. His aggressive mindset won't always guarantee victory in early rounds and he's been exposed there when he's off his game. But when he's on it, it's allowed him to get through tournaments whilst reserving energy. I'd prefer him to win than Federer.

Andy's style is consistent but has left him exposed too often in the final rounds.

[traveller7]

I would like to see Nadal win now. His injuries have plagued him for so long its obviously meaning a lot to him to proceed in this tournament.
Im sad Andy lost but not as muchas usual as he had to work so hard to get to no 1 last year and played so much it had to catch up with him some time.

[themass15]

I would like to see Nadal win now. His injuries have plagued him for so long its obviously meaning a lot to him to proceed in this tournament.
Im sad Andy lost but not as muchas usual as he had to work so hard to get to no 1 last year and played so much it had to catch up with him some time.

Well you are in agreement with me there Traveller7

[Jan62]

I don't want Fed to win the trophy, but I certainly don't want Stan to win it either - can't have him with more Slams than Andy! So its a dilemma, but I think I'll be cheering Fed against Stan, and if Rafa gets to the final I'm definitely cheering for him.

Dimitrov v Goffin is a dilemma - I have a soft spot for David after the DC final, and I've always like Grigor. But whichever of them gets through, if they have to play Rafa then I don't see them getting past him.

[Alis]

I'm rooting for either Dimi or Daveed now. I know it's not likely to happen but you never know and if it doesn't, I definitely don't want Stan to win. If it's a Rafa/Roger final, all you can say is good for them and I really don't care which of them wins.

[Bardot]

The sad truth is that Stan has worked out a style of play to succeed in Grandslams more so than Andy. His aggressive mindset won't always guarantee victory in early rounds and he's been exposed there when he's off his game. But when he's on it, it's allowed him to get through tournaments whilst reserving energy. I'd prefer him to win than Federer.

Andy's style is consistent but has left him exposed too often in the final rounds.

Where does Andy beating Wawrinka in the semi-final of RolyG last year fit into this "sad truth"? It's not like it was an early round.

[Alis]

.............. and at the WTF. I know it's not a Major but it's still a pretty important tournament! Stan is an all or nothing player - incredibly inconsistent. His three Majors flatter him IMO - give me Andy any day. It's rarely that I say this but I'm definitely supporting Fed in this one.

[RosieBear]

Stan himself has stated on several occasions that he isn't in Andy's league beccause he is nowhere near as consistent, has far fewer masters etc. Stan's quite right, he isn't in Andy's league but that's not to say he (Stan) doesn't fully deserve the slams he has got - they were won the hard way.

And if he wins this Aus then he'll deserve that too. I'm not sitting here willing him on by any means, que sera,sera - just saying I'm not in the 'anti' camp.

[karanga]

I'm cheering for either Grigor or Milos to win it. They've had their share of disappointments and it'd be great to see either of them lift the trophy.

I'd prefer that neither Fed nor Stan won it.

[Alis]

Stan himself has stated on several occasions that he isn't in Andy's league beccause he is nowhere near as consistent, has far fewer masters etc. Stan's quite right, he isn't in Andy's league but that's not to say he (Stan) doesn't fully deserve the slams he has got - they were won the hard way.

And if he wins this Aus then he'll deserve that too. I'm not sitting here willing him on by any means, que sera,sera - just saying I'm not in the 'anti' camp.

You are always so charitable, RB - you put me to shame with all my pet aversions! Aren't there any players on the tour that you really don't warm to?;)

[cazza99]

oop for Wednesday - http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/scores/schedule/index.html

[themass15]

I am not averse to Stan winning although I would rather that Rafa or Dimi won it, or even Fed before Stan.

[RosieBear]

You are always so charitable, RB - you put me to shame with all my pet aversions! Aren't there any players on the tour that you really don't warm to?;)

Ha! :rolling: Rafa, with his tics, time between points, and on-court coaching *really* irritates me (but I don't dislike him to the point whereby I'd be gutted if he won.)

[Alis]

Ha! :rolling: Rafa, with his tics, time between points, and on-court coaching *really* irritates me (but I don't dislike him to the point whereby I'd be gutted if he won.)

As I said ........... sooooooooo charitable!!!! ;)

[LC the fan]

It would be nice to see either Milos or Grigor pick up their first slam but I really don't think either are quite ready yet.
I think we are going back to a Fed v Rafa final.
Must say, although it chokes me to voice it, I think Fed is going to pick up another slam.......and good luck to him. What is he 35 this year? , 6 months off? Will the man ever give up
I will never be a Fed Fanatic but I think its on the cards

[banskogirl]

I am enjoying the thought of Fed and Rafa final and if so then I would prefer Rafa won.

It keeps their h2h 11 v 23 which must make people consider if Federer can be called the GOAT and have such a score with one of his peers!

[RosieBear]

Looking forward to Goff v Dimi. Should be a very attractive match. I slightly prefer Goffin, but let the best player win :swingin:

[Alis]

I'd like to stay up for this one but I think I'll head back to bed and watch it in the morning - enjoy it RB.

[RosieBear]

Great match. Dimi takes first set 6-3. C'mon Goffin :cheer:

Dimi 2 sets up now - not looking good for Goff, but keep going...

[themass15]

Just woken up. Disappointed about Jo. Dimitrov looks as though he has this one.

[RosieBear]

Dimi wins in straight sets. Some great rallies but not as close as it should have been. Goffin not at his best, unfortunately, but Dimi looked good out there and deserved the win.

[themass15]

Flat atmosphere at the match but pleased for Grigor. Next one will be tougher whether it is Rafa or Raonic. Go Rafa!

[roytennisfan]

Well done Rafa 6-4

[themass15]

Keep it up Rafa!!!!!

[roytennisfan]

I am enjoying the thought of Fed and Rafa final and if so then I would prefer Rafa won.

It keeps their h2h 11 v 23 which must make people consider if Federer can be called the GOAT and have such a score with one of his peers!

Rafa a set up so looking more likely, pretty sure it's going to be a Rafa or Raonic v Roger final since Roger is 18-3 against Stan and all Stan's wins have come on much slower clay surfaces .......but we've already had 2 big shocks so anything is possible!

[Linda]

Vamos Rafa! :swingin:

[RosieBear]

As irritating as I find his ways, I would like Rafa to win - then 3 of 4 semi finalists would be 30yrs+. That would be quite something. Go on Rafa :cheer:

[roytennisfan]

5-5 Rafa saves 3sp

[RosieBear]

Rafa did well to scramble through that game.

[Pam]

I'm not a Rafa fan but I definitely don't want Raonic to win his first Slam! Great tennis being played by both :)

[roytennisfan]

6-6 and 6-6 Rafa saves 2 more sp

[roytennisfan]

Rafa 7-6 saved 6 set points

[Alis]

Wow - Raonic had that set in the palm of his hand. How many times will he re-live that double fault on set point I wonder?

[RosieBear]

Ouch. Heartbreaker for Raonic. How did he lose that tb. But anyway, well done Rafa. High quality match.

[Alis]

As irritating as I find his ways, I would like Rafa to win - then 3 of 4 semi finalists would be 30yrs+. That would be quite something. Go on Rafa :cheer:

Mirroring the women's semis, where three out of four players are over 34!

[themass15]

So pleased Rafa came through that 2nd set. Keep it up Rafa!!!!

[JAMES4578]

Nadal with strong advantage now, however Raonic certainly missed chance in TB and uphill battle . However certainly some exciting tennis.

[Pam]

It definitely looks like Roger and Rafa are coming right back at Andy and Djokovic this year! :shocked:

[Linda]

Yes, the rumours of their demise were obviously premature!

[supergran]

The Old Guard ain't going anywhere by the looks of it. Vamos Rafa.

[Alis]

Well, you have to take your hat off to both Roger and Rafa. To come back as they have is quite outstanding.:clap::clap::clap:

[RosieBear]

Well, you have to take your hat off to both Roger and Rafa. To come back as they have is quite outstanding.

+1. Absolutely agree. Phenomenal effort from both. So much so that, as much as I like Dimi and esp Stan, in my opinion it deserves to be a Rafa v Fed final. It's very impressive to watch them defy the script that some have written on their behalves.

[JAMES4578]

Rafa certainly very impressive but bit disappointed with Raonic. Certainly the old guard Federer and Nadal seemingly very much back in form,though of course still a bit of ground to make up

[themass15]

So pleased Rafa won; I even shed a tear. It is wonderful to see him playing like that again. Makes me realise just how much Roger & Rafa have been missed. Do hope Roger wins tomorrow but want Rafa to win on Sunday!!!

[sir coolerking]

I wonder how much can be read into the fact that the 4 semi finalists here played little or no tennis in the latter half of 2016? Roger and Rafa were obviously off injured, whilst Stan and Grigor didn't make it past the QF's of any tournament after the US Open. Just seems to me that these 4 (who have all been in Oz for longer too) seem far fresher than Andy and Novak who were still slugging it out at the end of Nov (not to mention those in the Davis Cup Final).

[themass15]

I am sure being in Australia is an advantage. It is a shame all the pre AO tournaments are not in the area, would give everyone an equal playing field.

[Linda]

But there are pre-AO tournaments in Oz - Several top players played Brisbane this year.

[themass15]

But there are pre-AO tournaments in Oz - Several top players played Brisbane this year.

I know there is the Hopman Cup and the Brisbane one but the other two are in Doha and Chennai. I mean for all 3 to be in NZ or Oz so they are on similar time zones.

[Linda]

Also Sydney & Auckland ( NZ)

[sir coolerking]

But there are pre-AO tournaments in Oz - Several top players played Brisbane this year.

That's part of my point, all 4 were in Oz at least 2 and a half weeks before the start of the Open. Andy and Novak didn't turn up till at least a week later (more for Novak).

Andy's best performances in Melbourne have normally followed participating in the Hopman Cup in Perth (and it didn't exactly do Dan Evans any harm this year).

[Bardot]

Maybe Andy was taking a lead from Djokovic who played Doha the previous 2 years and went on to win the Australian Open both times.

[sir coolerking]

And with hindsight, those two beating each other up a week before Melbourne probably wasn't the wisest move.

[themass15]

Also Sydney & Auckland ( NZ)

They are the week before the AO and not many top players want competition tennis during that week.

[themass15]

That's part of my point, all 4 were in Oz at least 2 and a half weeks before the start of the Open. Andy and Novak didn't turn up till at least a week later (more for Novak).

Andy's best performances in Melbourne have normally followed participating in the Hopman Cup in Perth (and it didn't exactly do Dan Evans any harm this year).

Good point

[Bardot]

As J pointed out, Andy may have expected more evening matches being the #1 seed but as it turned out it's Federer who should have played Doha as experiencing the Perth heat did him no favours. :p

[patlowe]

I'm not that over bothered who wins this tournament in the end, but I would quite like to see a new name on the trophy. The only one who can do that now is Dimi as the other 3 are previous champions. I think I would have preferred Raonic to win this morning (reason-to see a possible new name on trophy) but he is obviously not ready yet. Looks like most of the 'young guns' are not ready yet! One day!

[Alis]

Whilst I applaud Roger and Rafa's efforts, I am thoroughly fed up with commentators telling me that a Rafa v Roger final is the one we all wanted to see. It's certainly not the one I wanted to see nor, I suspect, did Dimitrov, Djokovic, Raonic, Tsonga, Goffin fans and countless others.

[Alis]

I wonder how much can be read into the fact that the 4 semi finalists here played little or no tennis in the latter half of 2016? Roger and Rafa were obviously off injured, whilst Stan and Grigor didn't make it past the QF's of any tournament after the US Open. Just seems to me that these 4 (who have all been in Oz for longer too) seem far fresher than Andy and Novak who were still slugging it out at the end of Nov (not to mention those in the Davis Cup Final).

I think you may have a very valid point there, Sck!

[roytennisfan]

I wonder how much can be read into the fact that the 4 semi finalists here played little or no tennis in the latter half of 2016? Roger and Rafa were obviously off injured, whilst Stan and Grigor didn't make it past the QF's of any tournament after the US Open. Just seems to me that these 4 (who have all been in Oz for longer too) seem far fresher than Andy and Novak who were still slugging it out at the end of Nov (not to mention those in the Davis Cup Final).

Think Grigor played Andy in a final in China but he did have a WO in the semi, however generally agree the point you are making and Andy has never had such a tiring yearend at the ATP finals, both physically and mentally whilst 3 of them had the feet up and the the 4th barely turned up

[RoastLamb]

The only one left for me is Rafa. Hope he doesn't get injured. He lost that final vs Stan because of that.

[banskogirl]

Go Rafa!

Didn't get to see the match as our Sky dish has moved in the wind, although luckily the planner is still working so Jo's was recorded (badly).

[LC the fan]

Agree wholeheartedly. Stan would never have the Oz slam on his credits if Rafa had been fit. These things happen in tennis.
I cannot see Dimi going any further so my support has to be Rafa.
Just can't believe that Fed v Rafa could follow a William sisters showdown. So much for a breakdown of the top 4 as the so called "new guard" comes through. Having said that congratulations to both Fed And Rafa.....comebacks aren't that easy

[RosieBear]

Agree wholeheartedly. Stan would never have the Oz slam on his credits if Rafa had been fit. These things happen in tennis.


On this occasion I couldn't disagree more, I'm afraid LC. Stan was simply electrifying all tournament in 2014 - played some of the best tennis I've ever seen. Multiple Aus champion Novak, who plays his best tennis down under, was powerless to stop him and so was Rafa regardless of his back issues in the final (that many found stange and controversial - not saying I did, before I get lynched, just saying there was a debate).

[jagmad]

On this occasion I couldn't disagree more, I'm afraid LC. Stan was simply electrifying all tournament in 2014 - played some of the best tennis I've ever seen. Multiple Aus champion Novak, who plays his best tennis down under, was powerless to stop him and so was Rafa regardless of his back issues in the final (that many found stange and controversial).

+1
Bang on again.:worship::flowers:

[ljs]

what a strange tournament !!!
Was so hoping Milos could take Rafa out , but wasnt to be :sad: Milos is plagued by injury it seems :sad:
Im cheering for Dimi or Stan myself , have seen enough of the other 2 winning slams to last a lifetime

[cazza99]

Rafa and Federer are the bookies favourites.

[Linda]

Well, I'm hoping for Rafa to win it. He's had so much bad luck with injuries at AO - and the only year he did win it, he got injured a few weeks later and was out for most of the rest of the year! A win would also complete the double career slam, which would be good. However I'm not counting my chickens as he's got to get past two tough opponents yet!

[Pam]

I'll be supporting Stan tomorrow and Dimi on Friday and really hope for great tennis and great viewing for both matches. :)

[Hawkeye]

Me too. Not feeling the old guard love-in.

[WimbledonWestie]

Sorry folks, getting all Big 4 sentimental and hoping for a Fedal final.

[ljs]

Sorry folks, getting all Big 4 sentimental and hoping for a Fedal final.

Even tho thats not what I hope to see , I will probably still watch even if it is , just cant help myself :lol:

[pabbers]

To wish for anything other than a Rafa v Roger final for me would be a sort of death wish for the top 4 and a true heralding of a new guard. If Rafa or Roger can pull it off then there's hope for Andy and us for some time to come. Obviously not what I'd have wished for at the start of the tournament but as a last resort........

[Pam]

To wish for anything other than a Rafa v Roger final for me would be a sort of death wish for the top 4 and a true heralding of a new guard. If Rafa or Roger can pull it off then there's hope for Andy and us for some time to come. Obviously not what I'd have wished for at the start of the tournament but as a last resort........

I've said since Andy went out that I predicted that Roger would be in the final and in my heart I still expect that. Also Rafa was awesome against Raonic so I expect him to be there too. But I think healthy competition is very good for the game hence my support for the other 2 tomorrow and Friday. :)

[JerryD]

Well I won't be watching live in the morning so I will be avoiding here and The news until I have caught up. I would like a rematch between Stan and Raffa in the final with Raffa fully fit this time but I don't mind that much as long as it's Raffa who takes the trophy on Sunday :)

[themass15]

Sorry folks, getting all Big 4 sentimental and hoping for a Fedal final.

Absolutely

[Alis]

Deja vu! It's a Venus v Serena final. If we do get a Roger v Rafa final, it will be like turning the clock back ten years or more - amazing!

[RosieBear]

To wish for anything other than a Rafa v Roger final for me would be a sort of death wish for the top 4 and a true heralding of a new guard. If Rafa or Roger can pull it off then there's hope for Andy and us for some time to come. Obviously not what I'd have wished for at the start of the tournament but as a last resort........

I definitely agree with what you're saying in essence, Mrs P, but feel it's only a Dimi final/win that would send slightly worrying signals. Stan only broke through when he was 28 and I feel his success that only came at an older age should inspire Andy fans about what can still lie ahead. So I don't mind - either Fed v Rafa or Stan v Rafa would do nicely for me.:)

[Linda]

Maybe we've fallen into a time warp

[RosieBear]

Stan v Fed is already high quality. Great attacking tennis :clap:

[Teresa]

It pains me to say this, and I think the trauma will permanently scar me, but I want Fed to win this, and then be trounced by Nadal in the final. I need to go and lie down in a darkened room now:-)

[themass15]

Exactly what I want Teresa.

[themass15]

Stan playing ominously well now

[roytennisfan]

Must admit Stan doing much better than I had expected

[Pam]

Oh my word! Federer takes the first set 7-5

[themass15]

First blood to Fed.

[clancy]

No big surprise.

[roytennisfan]

A break in the final game after both saved 3bp, will that knock the stuffing out of Stan, 2 challenges lost both, fine margins in that game

[RosieBear]

Fantastic match. Why weren't people expecting Stan to play well?

[roytennisfan]

Interesting Stat, Stan only winning 59% on his first serve, lower than his second at 66%

[Hawkeye]

Fantastic match. Why weren't people expecting Stan to play well?Because he (almost) always caves in to Fed. It's a Swiss by-law.

[RosieBear]

Because he (almost) always caves in to Fed. It's a Swiss by-law.

Ah I see - but he also has horrible h2h with Nole and Rafa - but Stan of late ups his game for slams.

[roytennisfan]

Because he (almost) always caves in to Fed. It's a Swiss by-law.

Only on fast courts! Roger is 18-3 with all 3 losses on slow clay courts

[roytennisfan]

Stan desperately need a break now to stay in this match

[themass15]

Not turning out to be the classic we thought it was and Stan now going off in tears

[RosieBear]

Very difficult for Stan now. Fed looking fresh as a daisy as he has done all tournament.

[Pam]

Had a shower and washed my hair and did a quick tidy up and Fed has won the 2nd set too!

[roytennisfan]

That break has charged Stan 4-1

[RosieBear]

Stan hitting even bigger. 5-1

[roytennisfan]

Wow 6-1 Stan really found it this set

[Alis]

IMO Fed's given up on this set - he's not going to expend any more energy. He made sure Stan served last so that he could start serving the fourth. There it is 2-1.

[RosieBear]

Well done Stan - going for broke. When Stan starts really hitting he's some handful. Go Stan, go Fed - let the best Swiss win.

[JAMES4578]

After close first set was looking pretty bleak for stan,however storms back to take 3rd 6-1! Whether he can keep it going another matter though, Fed may find the form again.

[RosieBear]

Once he lets rip with the heavy artillery, Stan can hit the racquet out of Fed's hands. Hope he can keep it going so we have a 5th set.

[roytennisfan]

Wow Stan breaks

[Pam]

Yes Come on Stan! 3rd set to Stan 6-1

[themass15]

Talk about a change in momentum

[roytennisfan]

If it goes to 5, I don't fancy Roger's chances

[roytennisfan]

df and breaks back 1-1

[roytennisfan]

A big hold for Roger, aces and all after being broken in previous 3 service games

[themass15]

So glad I am not working today and able to watch this properly.

[roytennisfan]

Oh my this is big 3bp

[roytennisfan]

Stan breaks and is serving for 2 all

[RosieBear]

Brilliant Stanimal! Now level the match. Let's go!

[roytennisfan]

Stan levels, into the decider, poor Roger

[Pam]

Wow!! Stan the man! Come on!!

[themass15]

Roger looks very nervous and this seems to be going Stan's way now.

[JAMES4578]

Fed was trying to gain initiative in middle of set but it's Stan who breaks and serves it out, into a decider which didn't look too likely not so long ago!

[RosieBear]

Just fantastic by Stan the Man :thumbup: Tough to call now. It's been quite a quick match so think Fed has enough in the tank...but momentum with Stan...interesting times.

[Jan]

Been out all morning.
It's a one-set shoot out!
Not really sure who I want to win.

[Jane]

Come on Stan!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

[clancy]

I've only been going into f/s every so often to check out the score but just been into Bet365; liking Stan's outfit more than his pyjama bottoms. Hope he can pull off this final set (not just because of his outfit!)

[themass15]

Roger has lost the plot. Doesn't come out so well in 5 set matches any more.

[roytennisfan]

Roger is just struggling to stay level now but who knows, only takes one bad service game and everything can change

[Jan]

Who will blink first?

[roytennisfan]

Now Roger has 2bp

[roytennisfan]

4-2

[RosieBear]

Oh Stan :sad:

[themass15]

Looks like it is Stan

[themass15]

Both making elementary mistakes now

[hfwardhouse]

Oh .... c'mon Stan - long road back now though :sad:

[Jane]

:crying::crying:

[themass15]

Pleased Roger won. Sorry for Stan but at least he won't overtake Andy in GS wins.

[Pam]

Unbelievable! So maybe one last bite of the cherry for Roger. Poor Stan struggling with injury and could not find his best tennis in that 5th set. :sad:

[RosieBear]

Quite incredible. :bravo: Fed. Bad luck Stan.:sad: Very enjoyable match.
(What on earth was Mirka wearing?! I wonder if Fed's got a matching tiger head sweatshirt :rolling:)

[JAMES4578]

Fed seemed to be struggling early on in the 5th and Stan looked on course, however Roger able to get crucial break and Wawrinka couldn't respond. Pity for Wawrinka,however amazing achievement for Fed to reach another slam final. At least Andy and Stan level on slams for now.

[Teresa]

Pleased Roger won. Sorry for Stan but at least he won't overtake Andy in GS wins.

That's exactly how I feel. Dislike both Nadal and Federer, but Federer is so up himself (probablywith just cause), that he is beyond redemption. I am afraid I don't give Dimitrov much of a chance against Nadal, but I have been wrong before.

[themass15]

All I can say is come on Rafa!!!!

[Bardot]

Quite incredible. :bravo: Fed. Bad luck Stan.:sad: Very enjoyable match.
(What on earth was Mirka wearing?! I wonder if Fed's got a matching tiger head sweatshirt :rolling:)
Gucci, a snip at $1500. Apparently also worn by one of One Direction.
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In further useful information, Ела! (pr. Ela!) is Bulgarian for C'mon! :shades:

[roytennisfan]

Fed seemed to be struggling early on in the 5th and Stan looked on course, however Roger able to get crucial break and Wawrinka couldn't respond. Pity for Wawrinka,however amazing achievement for Fed to reach another slam final. At least Andy and Stan level on slams for now.

Just what I thought, Roger was fighting to stay in the match and up till the service break in the 5th, Stan was on top, that was a great match and was always going to be a tough loss for either player in the decider

[clancy]

Jammy Fed as always, felt Stan deserved to edge it.

[RoastLamb]

It's like we've gone back to 2008 what with the Bryans in the men's dubs final, the Williams sisters and now this. So strange.

[Golden Lady]

It's just a jump to the left
And a step to the right........anyone else had this song stuck in their head ever since reading Linda's comment on page 59? ;)

[harriet]

the beeb report of the fedX - stan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/38755188)game, are we going to have a final between two golden oldies?

[Hawkeye]

It's just a jump to the left
And a step to the right........anyone else had this song stuck in their head ever since reading Linda's comment on page 59? ;)No, because I'm only on page 33.

[Golden Lady]

No, because I'm only on page 33.

It'll happen

Clever response Hawkeye :thumbup:

[Jan62]

Never thought I'd utter these words. But I'm glad Fed won! (goes to lie down in darkened room......) Whilst I admire Fed's style of play, I can't stand him. However, I can't take to Stan at all and certainly don't want him ending up with more Slams than Andy, so just for today I was supporting Fed. Normal service now resumes :)

I really like Dimitrov and it would be amazing for him to get to the final. However, I cannot see him outplaying Fed if he does and I don't want Fed to get another title. Which leaves Rafa, whom I like and therefore don't mind at all if he wins the SF and preferably gets the title. My main annoyance with Rafa is all the twitching and pulling at his shorts. But its not a deal breaker, so Vamos Rafa!

[Alis]

Never thought I'd utter these words. But I'm glad Fed won! (goes to lie down in darkened room......) Whilst I admire Fed's style of play, I can't stand him. However, I can't take to Stan at all and certainly don't want him eovwas rooting for Fed today.nding up with more Slams than Andy, so just for today I was supporting Fed. Normal service now resumes :)



I am afraid I can't stand Stan either so, much against my better judgement, I was rooting for Fed today. I almost choked on my coffee when Wilander was lauding the merits of the two though - such fine ambassadors with such high principles - ugh! :angry: .......... but then I am a bigoted old crone!! ;)

I can see that a final here between Fed and Rafa would be one for the history books and probably will never happen again (I hope!) and I won't be too disappointed if that's what happens but, oh, how I would love to see Dimi sock it to them both and lift the trophy!

[supergran]

Although I dislike them both for different reasons was glad Fed won although couldn't bring myself to actually support him. Let's just say I was willing Stan to lose. Credit to ye olde smug one though.:ill::rolleyes:

[Mickey]

Although I dislike them both for different reasons was glad Fed won although couldn't bring myself to actually support him. Let's just say I was willing Stan to lose. Credit to ye olde smug one though.:ill::rolleyes:
I couldn't believe I would be willing Federer to win, and shouting "come on Fed, you must beat Stan." But I like many others didn't want Stan to get more Slams than our Andy. I think I would like Nadal to win the trophy.

[cazza99]

I wanted Federer to win as I think he will be less of a threat in the rankings during the year.

Mind you I want Rafa to win tomorrow and the tournament, and if that happens Rafa could be more of a threat in the rankings.

[Jan]

If they "all" stay fit and healthy the next few months could get very interesting!

[pabbers]

:ill: can't quite believe it but I'd actually relish a Fed v Rafa final. Must be suffering from nostalgia as well as the cold that has struck just as I arrive in Portugal for 2 weeks where it's currently cold and wet. Mr P has gone out to get more logs......no luxury of central heating here! :cold:

[LC the fan]

I'm just glad that it wasn't Fed who beat Andy - that I could not have stomached. As for the final, I think it will be a nostalgic Fed/Rafa and we can all go back 10 years. My heart will be with Rafa but...somehow...I think Fed is in for a great finale unless today's five setter took too much out of him.

But, yes, I agree with Jan. The results of the Oz open have certainly put a massive question over the men's game. Or is it just a blip. .

[Alis]

But, yes, I agree with Jan. The results of the Oz open have certainly put a massive question over the men's game. Or is it just a blip. .

I agree, I would have hated Fed (or Stan, or Rafa) to have beaten Andy but this is definitely just a blip, I think. Of course, Andy and Djoko going out early on either side of the draw was manna from heaven for Fed and Rafa. As someone said earlier in the thread, it's interesting that the players who have gone deep in Oz are, in the main, those who didn't feature in the latter stages of last season. There certainly seems to be an element of fatigue, be it physical, mental or emotional, at work here. Add to that the fast courts and the fast balls and it's really tailor made for the likes of Fed. My hope is that Rogie will win it and immediately announce his retirement - a vain hope I'm sure but ever the optimist!!

[WimbledonWestie]

Iit's interesting that the players who have gone deep in Oz are, in the main, those who didn't feature in the latter stages of last season. There certainly seems to be an element of fatigue, be it physical, mental or emotional, at work here. !!

That's what I was thinking when I got up this morning- it was thinking about Serena and federer having been out for so long that led me to thinking it. Has to be something in it.

[Josephine]

Yes good points re players not featuring so much at end of last year doing well and speed of courts.

Andy said at the end of last year, he wanted Fed and Nadal back fit in 2017. Well he has got his wish! And they were both written off far too soon - they have proved they can still get to end stages and perhaps win slams. Wonder if Andy will regret that wish as honestly, nothing I have seen from Andy so far this year suggests that he could have beaten Fed or Rafa, or even Stan. Sorry but it is true. Let's hope he gets some rest and refinds his attacking game.

And for God's sake Leon, don't let him go to Canada just to cheer the team on. I know he would love it, but it will be just about as exhausting for him as playing!

Fed will not retire - he has already said he will play a reduced number of weeks to preserve his body and his energy. So he can peak for the slams. He and Rafa will be around for a while (if their bodies hold up).

[lovetennis]

Very interesting to hear what is being said about the courts, though I don't think that was the particular cause of Djokovic's early exit, it certainly seemed to play a part in Andy's. Much as Fed annoys me it is a fantastic thing to come back at 35 after a 6 month layoff and get to the final. I really hope Rafa beats Dimi. I like Dimi but I think Fed would rollover him in the final so want Rafa to be in the final. Got to say I never thought we'd see a Fed v Rafa GS final again, so if it happens well done to the both. No doubt though that I'd prefer Rafa to win, he is at least a humble guy and a mate of Andy's. I really don't want to see a smug Fed lifting the trophy

[harriet]

well, confession time, this is just about the first time i have watched RF objectively, and i have to say i was impressed. he is a real fighter, really goes for his shots, and his movement is amazing - seems so light on his feet, very different from andy who runs flat out chasing his chin whereas RF keeps jumping sideways and only gets into a stride to play a shot or run forward, which again he seemed to do effortlessly.
in a RF vs rafa final i'll support RF, i don't get how everyone values 'humble' suddenly, and i gather RF is a really fun character, lights up the locker room, always laughing and playing jokes. english is not his first language so perhaps some of his remarks are 'lost in translation', but if the guy is arrogant he's earned it.

[Josephine]

Fed has really changed his backhand - it is amazing now. So fast. As Zverev said there is hardly any swing back so it is impossible to see where he is going to hit it. The backhand was once a (relative) weakness, but though maybe not as effective as his forehand, don't think it could ever be called a weakness now! Depends if Rafa gets to final and can get height on the balls to Fed's backhand, but on this court may not be very easy.

[themass15]

Yes good points re players not featuring so much at end of last year doing well and speed of courts.

Andy said at the end of last year, he wanted Fed and Nadal back fit in 2017. Well he has got his wish! And they were both written off far too soon - they have proved they can still get to end stages and perhaps win slams. Wonder if Andy will regret that wish as honestly, nothing I have seen from Andy so far this year suggests that he could have beaten Fed or Rafa, or even Stan. Sorry but it is true. Let's hope he gets some rest and refinds his attacking game.

And for God's sake Leon, don't let him go to Canada just to cheer the team on. I know he would love it, but it will be just about as exhausting for him as playing!

Fed will not retire - he has already said he will play a reduced number of weeks to preserve his body and his energy. So he can peak for the slams. He and Rafa will be around for a while (if their bodies hold up).

Good point Josephine if he goes to Canada he might as well play. All that jet lag etc.

[RosieBear]

i don't get how everyone values 'humble'

This is a very interesting point. 'Humble' along with 'blessed' have become extremely fashionable words in recent years. 15 years ago people used words such as modest or unassuming to describe the former, and fortunate or lucky for the latter. But the (slightly cringey imo) new buzzwords accompanied a new pc era - the notion of participation trophies took hold and anything remotely resembling strong self-belief is considered unseemly. It never fails to amaze me how quickly the 'arrogant' label is attached. A common objection to Fed involves his extreme self-belief, supposedly unbecoming in a tennis player of his accomplishments, when it is the very thing that has enabled them. I find it bizarre and Rafa's uber "humility" does nothing for me, but each to their own and all that.

[super8]

I think that the speed of the courts is a huge factor in why we have the likes of Venus, Fed, Bryans, Nadal, Serena at the latter stages of this tournament. They are all players who arrived on the tour before courts were slowed down - so they know how to play on the faster courts.

Andy learned his game on the slower courts in Spain - perhaps a reason why he is less well-equipped to play on such courts. He also tends to struggle against serve-volleyers and those at the net a lot - perhaps a bad match up for his game. By contrast Federer knows exactly how to play such players, having faced so many in the past. The likes of Sampras seem a long time ago now though!

Interesting that 3 of the 4 men's semi finalists had a single-handed backhand - a shot I think is more well-suited to the faster courts.

I don't think Andy needs to reinvent his game by any stretch by the way - perhaps just consider a few tweaks - always healthy to reassess - and he has the brain and ability to do this. He was due an inspired opponent and perhaps a dip in his performance. It happens to the best of them. I think he knew exactly how his opponent would play - and it boils down to who can execute their game planning the best. I also am not convinced by the fatigue aspect seeing as the tour finals finished in early November - over 2 months ago! Plenty of time to recuperate.

The Aussie Open is imo an unpredictable slam because it is often difficult to know how players will emerge from the end of season break. Some are hyper fit, raring to go. Some might take longer to get going. Perhaps the Holman cup might have been a better option for Andy - but hindsight etc. And we are all likely to ask more questions about his game after a defeat rather than squeaking a win playing the same way.

Noticed that the tournament had been dubbed the Oldstralian Open. Well if the more old-school players are giving everyone something to think about in terms of styles of play then that can only be a good thing. Players will seek competitive advantage where they can - and if faster courts do encourage more net play then I would welcome that. I think Andy would be great at that if he does decide to go down that route.

Then again - could all be just a one-off - a blip etc. The unpredictability of sport and all that.

[lovetennis]

well, confession time, this is just about the first time i have watched RF objectively, and i have to say i was impressed. he is a real fighter, really goes for his shots, and his movement is amazing - seems so light on his feet, very different from andy who runs flat out chasing his chin whereas RF keeps jumping sideways and only gets into a stride to play a shot or run forward, which again he seemed to do effortlessly.
in a RF vs rafa final i'll support RF, i don't get how everyone values 'humble' suddenly, and i gather RF is a really fun character, lights up the locker room, always laughing and playing jokes. english is not his first language so perhaps some of his remarks are 'lost in translation', but if the guy is arrogant he's earned it.

He has unquestionably earned it. There's no doubt in my mind that he is the GOAT, but that doesn't make his smugness attractive to watch. I absolutely admire his skill, movement and shot-making but the smugness started to spoil my enjoyment of watching him a few years ago. I wish it didn't but it does, can't help it. Rafa just doesn't give me that vibe, just seems more of a modest guy.

[Alis]

I hate the use of 'humble' and 'blessed' that is so prevalent these days - both seem totally disingenuous to me.

[banskogirl]

He has unquestionably earned it. There's no doubt in my mind that he is the GOAT, but that doesn't make his smugness attractive to watch. I absolutely admire his skill, movement and shot-making but the smugness started to spoil my enjoyment of watching him a few years ago. I wish it didn't but it does, can't help it. Rafa just doesn't give me that vibe, just seems more of a modest guy.

I agree with what you have said about above apart from the GOAT. I have serious problems with calling someone that who has a h2h of 11-23 against Rafa. I don't think we can decide this with differences in courts etc. Just think if all courts were grass or clay? Or all hard?

[banskogirl]

I hate the use of 'humble' and 'blessed' that is so prevalent these days - both seem totally disingenuous to me.

I think blessed is a much older word than lucky and has just come back :) only my opinion though. Maybe too much Jane Austen and Shakespeare!

[lovetennis]

I agree with what you have said about above apart from the GOAT. I have serious problems with calling someone that who has a h2h of 11-23 against Rafa. I don't think we can decide this with differences in courts etc. Just think if all courts were grass or clay? Or all hard?

That's a good point. I had indeed overlooked his less than favourable h2h with Rafa, which I would be quite happy to see become 11-24 on Sunday. Getting slightly ahead of myself though, as Rafa not through yet.

[Alis]

I think it is very difficult to give anyone the title of the 'goat'. So much depends on circumstance - courts, equipment, who else is around at the time etc. etc. My husband insists that there has never been a player like Rod Laver and he may well be right. Federer has been an amazing player but there is no doubt that much of his early success was at a time when the men's tour was not nearly as strong as it is now. Borg was an amazing player but retired early - how much more would he have achieved if he had continued to play? Nadal has been virtually unbeatable on clay for a decade. What Djokovic has done over the last three years or so has been truly remarkable. There have been and are so many amazing players - I would hesitate to give any of them the title of 'goat'.

[angiebabez]

I will be amazed if andy goes to canada just to support & tbh if he did & i was kim i would be ****** off big time! She must not see a lot of him as it is so surely if hes taking this time away he would spend it with her & sophia rather than hopping on another plane away from them for 4 or 5 days.

[jagmad]

I think that the speed of the courts is a huge factor in why we have the likes of Venus, Fed, Bryans, Nadal, Serena at the latter stages of this tournament. They are all players who arrived on the tour before courts were slowed down - so they know how to play on the faster courts.

Andy learned his game on the slower courts in Spain - perhaps a reason why he is less well-equipped to play on such courts. He also tends to struggle against serve-volleyers and those at the net a lot - perhaps a bad match up for his game. By contrast Federer knows exactly how to play such players, having faced so many in the past. The likes of Sampras seem a long time ago now though!

Interesting that 3 of the 4 men's semi finalists had a single-handed backhand - a shot I think is more well-suited to the faster courts.

I don't think Andy needs to reinvent his game by any stretch by the way - perhaps just consider a few tweaks - always healthy to reassess - and he has the brain and ability to do this. He was due an inspired opponent and perhaps a dip in his performance. It happens to the best of them. I think he knew exactly how his opponent would play - and it boils down to who can execute their game planning the best. I also am not convinced by the fatigue aspect seeing as the tour finals finished in early November - over 2 months ago! Plenty of time to recuperate.

The Aussie Open is imo an unpredictable slam because it is often difficult to know how players will emerge from the end of season break. Some are hyper fit, raring to go. Some might take longer to get going. Perhaps the Holman cup might have been a better option for Andy - but hindsight etc. And we are all likely to ask more questions about his game after a defeat rather than squeaking a win playing the same way.

Noticed that the tournament had been dubbed the Oldstralian Open. Well if the more old-school players are giving everyone something to think about in terms of styles of play then that can only be a good thing. Players will seek competitive advantage where they can - and if faster courts do encourage more net play then I would welcome that. I think Andy would be great at that if he does decide to go down that route.

Then again - could all be just a one-off - a blip etc. The unpredictability of sport and all that.

Absolutely, +1 although in response to the part I highlighted I along with some others on here (and not on here).
After watching Andy for the first time live playing doubles with his brother against the Hewit and Groth.
Left me thinking:
Why the hell doesn't he play more aggressive and shorten a reasonable % of the points.
Iv'e been watching this semi critically since and I recon there's a good 15-20% shots that Andy plays he
could come in on easily, and be very successful in converting a very high %age.
Not saying every match just enough to keep his hand in and keep the opponent guessing, or even surprised
when he does it the first time. As RB said recently why leave the gold in the mine?
:shrug::confused::shrug:
God it's :brr:

[themass15]

The Ladies Doubles Final will stop Rafa and Dimi starting at 8.30 p.m. our time.

[RosieBear]

Rafa saves 2 bps to hold first game. Well done mr hair plugs.:clap: C'mon Rafa.

[themass15]

Yes Vamos Rafa!!!!

[RosieBear]

It's Caro's birthday - C'mon Rafa come through this to make her day. Let's go Rafa! :swingin:

[themass15]

Rafa doing well.

[roytennisfan]

Big change of momentum second set Dmitrov 4-1

[themass15]

Tie tide very much in Dimi's favour

[JAMES4578]

Certainly Dimi fighting back, hopefully takes this set to make it interesting!

[themass15]

Rafa back on track

[roytennisfan]

Didn't last long, did it, 2df to be broken, but the Rafa df to be broken 5-3

[RosieBear]

Rafa doesn't like being forced to play within the allotted time. Broken.

[themass15]

But two break points in this game

[roytennisfan]

Now Rafa breaks again

[themass15]

And breaks again. Come on Rafa!!!!

[JAMES4578]

Likely challenge for Dimitrov to take this set now, come on Grigor !

[roytennisfan]

So many missed set points, think that game will affect Grigor

[JAMES4578]

Unfortunately could be set and match right there, Nadal holds for 5 all.

[RosieBear]

Argh so torn - was rooting for Rafa because I'd admire the retro final, but in any other context defo prefer Dimi. Oh well, come on Rafa, come Dimi, what will be will be - just want a 5 set battle.

[themass15]

Looks like you are going to get it Ana. Hard to pick a winner at present.

[lynne]

Go On Grigor!

[roytennisfan]

So many missed set points, think that game will affect Grigor
What do I know Grigor wins 7-5

[dewster99]

Nooooooo vamos Rafa. Just don't go 5 and let Fed off with the extra rest and relatively short 5 setter

[RosieBear]

Brilliant! Well done Dimi - good mental fortitude. He's a lovely guy but not always been the strongest between the ears - good on him for taking that set :clap:

[themass15]

Best of 3 now. Yes Fed will be laughing after his match, although 5 sets not that long.

[RosieBear]

One could argue that Fed makes his own luck insofar as his match was quicker due to his aggressive style and therefore deserves to reap the rewards ;)

[Bardot]

Bouncy??? :facepalm:

Andrew Castle ‏@AndrewCastle63
Highest standard match this tournament. #Nadal #Dimitrov

1 set all. #AusOpen
The second set was a crapfest up to its oxters in crud. He must be judging by his own standards. :p

[JAMES4578]

Well Grigor got there in the end, certainly a gutsy display when some chances went begging. Early stages of 3rd will be interesting.

[themass15]

Beginning to think Dimi will win this

[Bardot]

Nadal challenging Pascal Maria to give him another warning. "I always have the same problem with the same umpires". Hold your nerve Pascal.

[JAMES4578]

Well break apiece in 3rd,Dimi up 4-3 and now business end of set.

[pabbers]

Am feeling totally neutral. Trouble is if Dimitrov wins I just can't see baby Fed overcoming Fed senior.

[themass15]

Me too Pat. Why is one of the many reasons I want Rafa to win.

[Jane]

Play stopped because someone in the crowd has collapsed

[Jane]

Play resumes

[hfwardhouse]

Thanks for that update Jane - I was wondering why livescores wasn't updating. Hope the person is ok :sad:

[dewster99]

Hope that doesn't break Rafa's concentration

[Bardot]

The chat Nadal had with his box during the enforced break was fruitful, holds to love.

[themass15]

An easy looking game is now looking a lot more difficult.

[themass15]

I do hope Rafa wins tb!

[Bardot]

Nothing I've seen in this error strewn match to suggest Andy couldn't beat both players.....at the same time.....with his left hand.....in the dark. :p ;)

[themass15]

So please Rafa now ahead again.

[JAMES4578]

Tight in breaker too but Nadal takes it and will likely tough for Dimi to come back and win in 5.

[dewster99]

Really hoping Rafa gets the title and then if Andy can't get it I hope he wins the French as well to take him within 1 slam of Fed. Would love it if Rafa maanged to overhaul Fed

[themass15]

Really hoping Rafa gets the title and then if Andy can't get it I hope he wins the French as well to take him within 1 slam of Fed. Would love it if Rafa maanged to overhaul Fed

I would just love that to happen too

[Jane]

Fed must be hoping this will go to a long tiring fifth set!!

[themass15]

They have already played longer than him.

[hfwardhouse]

Eek 5-2 in the breaker and I need to go and get my lunch ....

[Jane]

2 sets all

[roytennisfan]

Enjoyable match but one person will be really enjoying it, the longer that fifth set stays competitive, the more he will enjoy it, already having the one day advantage!

[themass15]

Whoever wins this will be absolutely knackered on Sunday. Can only see 1 winner now unfortunately.

[dewster99]

Whoever wins this will be absolutely knackered on Sunday. Can only see 1 winner now unfortunately.

Was about to say exactly the same

[themass15]

13 mins for this game. No signs of either of them tiring today.

[Jan]

I really appreciate the way Grigor manages to play without making a noise every shot.

[Jane]

First game in fifth set lasted 13 mins

[LC the fan]

Must say my support has eeked over to Grigor. He has really stuck in and refused to be trampled on.

Strange, 2 weeks ago I was pleased to think that Andy would have 2 days rest before the final. What did I know.??
Now it's Fed sitting back with a smile.

[themass15]

Dimi looking the most relaxed of the two. Can he pull it off?

[banskogirl]

Hi! Anyone got a stream please?

[JAMES4578]

Dimi done very well to get the 4th but definitely gruelling battle now,5th could be exciting though!

[Jan]

Hi! Anyone got a stream please?
http://cricfree.sc/euro-sports-1-live-stream

[Jan]

what a shot!

[themass15]

This match has got better and better.

[Linda]

I had to go out about 2 hours ago. Just got back expecting to find out the result!

[themass15]

Dimi looks the fresher unfortunately

[Linda]

The only certainty is that the winner will be at a serious disadvantage on Sunday.

[themass15]

The only certainty is that the winner will be at a serious disadvantage on Sunday.

Yes that has already been mentioned several times

[Linda]

Come on Rafa! I have to go out again shortly.

[Jane]

Nadal wins

[Sallydaisy]

Matt Cronin on Twitter:

@TennisReporters 27s27 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/TennisReporters/status/824976537858355200) Nadal wins to beat Dimitrov 63 57 76 67 64 in 4 hours 56 min
to reach final against ...Roger Federer. In the AO. Again. Fantastic

[dewster99]

Match must've been about 2 hours longer than the other semi. See how Rafa recovers but seemed ok after 5 setter v Zverev. Federer possibly carrying a niggle anyway, we'll see on Sunday

[Jan]

Wow!