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What about Djoko and 'Netgate', JerryD???
When he leant over the net and Murray asked him if he'd crossed te net and he admitted and then they both told they umpire he had crossed the net but the umpire said he'd been in line with the net. Yes he didn't concede that point. He should have done, he usually does and did in the previous match against haas. There is an exception to every rule. And we all have moments were we act outside of the rule we normally follow. Struggling to think back of a time when nadal has ever conceded a point.
RoastLamb
22-04-2017, 23:07
No blame on Rafa for me. It's an officiating error, compounded by another one.
Agree. Whilst I understand the crowd booing Rafa esp. as Goffin is a French speaking Belgian it really was not his problem. Felt bad for both players actually.
I really didn't like the booing. To the umpire I understand but it seemed like they were booing Raffa too. I did feel bad for Raffa, but it annoyed me the fabrice only seemed to see it from Raffa's side.
It will be interesting to see how much vino has left in the tank tomorrow. I hope it's a competitive match with none of the bad umpiring from this one.
It was the umpires fault. He is known for this is my understanding, so why is he still allowed to umpire. What are the repercussions for him?? I don't understand why he got down from his chair to check anyway. What was his reasoning? Rafa certainly didn't question the call.
I do think that Rafa could have conceded the point and he has gone down in my estimation now.
There was some talk here about Vilas being there to present the trophy as it was planned that they thought Nadal would win the tournament and go into first place for most clay court titles ahead of Vilas.
I didn't see the match but I've just watched the highlights. It was TOTALLY the umpire's fault! ... well maybe partly the line judge too. The umpire should have asked the line judge to point out the mark and the line judge should probably have come forward anyway if he/she knew the umpire had the wrong mark. And I also agree that the umpire shouldn't have got down from his chair in the first place. Maybe it was because Goff circled the mark? Who knows ...
Personally, I don't think players should be expected to concede points where there's a dispute in the other side of the net! There is no way they can be sure when the ball is that far away! How many times do they get challenges wrong?! I absolutely think it should have left to the officials .... it's just that they got it badly wrong this time. It's completely different if a player concedes a point when the mark is on their side of the net, they can walk right up to the mark and study it ... can't do that on the other side.
Didn't a player (off the top of my head Raonic comes to mind), get an umpire to check a mark recently, but directed the umpire to a mark in a different place.
Am I getting confused with this one? I thought The linesman called the ball out, because it obviously was. Nobody queried it, but off his own bat the umpire got out of his chair, checked the mark, and decided the ball was in, and overruled the linesman.
That's the puzzling thing. The ball was so obviously out?
Players generally say that they know when the ball leaves their racquet whether it is in or out. Certainly, it may be questionable if it is very near the line but that ball was so far out I can't believe that Rafa didn't know.
From futher articles on the subject people seem to be in agreement that when you hit a ball 1/2 a foot out as a pro player you know. Raffa had already walked to the other side and not asked for a challenge. So until the umpire left his chair he knew the ball was out. It is not in the rules but as he knew the ball was out I'd hope for him to be more sporting.
If he is completely against getting involved in an umpire's decision, thinks it's swings and roundabouts for both players and knows that he will never concede a point, then the sporting thing to do is to never let an opponent concede one for you. Politely refuse. Don't accept it when they do it for you but hide behind the rules when the shoe is on the other foot. I wouldn't have minded if he didn't accept points his opponents concede.
I'm not denying that it was the fault of the linesman and the umpire, I just think players should be more sporting, it's better for the game and for the fans. As he accepted the ball was out at first. If he had challenged it and not been sure that's different but he agreed it was out, he could have stuck with that rather than benefiting from the umpire's mistake
What about Djoko and 'Netgate', JerryD???
The thing about this incident was that Djokovic said in his interview that he did not realize that the ball should not be hit on the wrong side of the net
The thing about this incident was that Djokovic said in his interview that he did not realize that the ball should not be hit on the wrong side of the net
Exactly - number 1 in the world and he didn't know a basic rule! :faint:
Shame you didn't get the win Vino but great you got this far!!:thumbup:...even though you did beat our boy!!:sad:
To be honest didn't really enjoy the final & glad this tournament is over..oh well on to the next!!!
themass15
23-04-2017, 14:13
Fantastic by Rafa!
JAMES4578
23-04-2017, 14:21
Couldn't say it was a fantastic contest though, still Nadal playing at a high level on clay and only a few could've challenged him today. Still great week for Albert,though wasn't particularly surprised at the scoreline.
supergran
23-04-2017, 14:22
I had final on but during it gave supergramps his lunch, read some of the newspaper and then did a bit of telephone banking.:whistle::big grin:
I watched the 1st set , then went for a walk :big grin:
Fantastic by Rafa!
I am really struggling with this. Yesterday Nadal got through to the final, benefiting from an umpiring decision that was so bad that it is incomprehensible. I don't think the win was fantastic. I think it is and will be tainted for evermore.
I think Nadal has come out of this very badly. He knew that ball was out, and there were actions he could, and should have taken to correct such an obvious injustice. I am not suprised that David Goffin fell apart like that. He must have thought after that "why bother?" From what I saw of him in his press conference he was shell shocked.
Nadal might well have won regardless, but from the way Goffin was playing I reckon Goffin had a very good chance of an upset.
I also think with the goings on in the Fed Cup - tennis as a sport has been seriously diminished this weekend. To the extent that I am not sure I want to follow it anymore.
Just my opinion. Others undoubtedly will disagree.
I agree, Teresa, it hasn't been a great weekend for tennis but it is still a great sport - warts and all!
goldfish
23-04-2017, 18:15
The best thing about the final was that they showed highlights of Andy beating Novak in the Rome final afterwards. It was very pleasing to be reminded how well Andy played last year. Think we're all feeling a little out of sorts whilst Andy and Novak get back on track and whilst Fed and Rafa are hoovering up the points. Guess that is how their fans felt last year. I didn't manage to watch any of the GB players live at MC so can't wait for Barcelona to start.
angiebabez
23-04-2017, 18:55
I am really struggling with this. Yesterday Nadal got through to the final, benefiting from an umpiring decision that was so bad that it is incomprehensible. I don't think the win was fantastic. I think it is and will be tainted for evermore.
I think Nadal has come out of this very badly. He knew that ball was out, and there were actions he could, and should have taken to correct such an obvious injustice. I am not suprised that David Goffin fell apart like that. He must have thought after that "why bother?" From what I saw of him in his press conference he was shell shocked.
Nadal might well have won regardless, but from the way Goffin was playing I reckon Goffin had a very good chance of an upset.
I also think with the goings on in the Fed Cup - tennis as a sport has been seriously diminished this weekend. To the extent that I am not sure I want to follow it anymore.
Just my opinion. Others undoubtedly will disagree.
So are you saying your not sure if you want to watch Andy anymore...? That i just don't believe
Well done, Rafa! So pleased for him. Couldn't watch the match as TennisTV no longer works on my Kindle, but spent a great day walking round the ancient districts of Barcelona. Will go to the tournament tomorrow.
So are you saying your not sure if you want to watch Andy anymore...? That i just don't believe
Of course I want to watch AM, (or as much as I ever do....!!!). I can only say what has happened in tennis this weekend has made me personally feel very, very uncomfortable.
Of course I want to watch AM, (or as much as I ever do....!!!). I can only say what has happened in tennis this weekend has made me personally feel very, very uncomfortable.
What happened in Romania, ok. But not the line call in Monte Carlo. Honestly, I think people are going way OTT about this. It happens, it's always happened, officials get things wrong, s*** happens! Goff doesn't blame Rafa, he blames himself for letting it get to him, and quite honestly I am sure he was shattered from the brilliant match he played against Novak anyway so I'm not sure he would have won.
Rafa didn't concede .... he heard an 'out' call, he put his head down and walked to the other side of the court. He probably didn't even see the ball land. Yes, it was out by some way and of course Pro players often 'feel' it as it leaves the strings but sometimes those shots / mishits go in and sometimes the player just gets it wrong. Believe me, as an ex line judge, they do get things wrong!
@ Caro, but this wasn't getting a line call wrong. This was a correct line call, being over ruled by an umpire who decided to get down from his chair, even though neither of the players questioned it. Looking at the mark and seeing it was way out, and the line call was correct, and deliberately changing the call in favour of Nadal. The decision was incomprehensible at the time, and is incomprehensible now.
It was weird in the extreme. So personally I don't think people are going over the top on this one. It might not have made any difference, but equally it might have. At that stage Goffin was playing better than Nadal.
This happened in Anning, China this morning. Look where the umpire first went to check the mark. :shocked: :facepalm: Unlike Mourier however he did at least ask the lines person where the mark was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HR4TweTyXs
Apparently Munoz de la Nava asked the umpire "show me the mark" 18 times. :big grin:
@ Caro, but this wasn't getting a line call wrong. This was a correct line call, being over ruled by an umpire who decided to get down from his chair, even though neither of the players questioned it. Looking at the mark and seeing it was way out, and the line call was correct, and deliberately changing the call in favour of Nadal. The decision was incomprehensible at the time, and is incomprehensible now.
It was weird in the extreme. So personally I don't think people are going over the top on this one. It might not have made any difference, but equally it might have. At that stage Goffin was playing better than Nadal.
So I generalised by saying it was "getting a line call wrong", I'm sure you know what I meant. And he didn't "deliberately change it in favour of Nadal". How can you say that?! I agree it was an "incomprehensible decision" but it was a mistake! A bad mistake .... Honestly, I understand why people were upset, it was a really bad error but that's what it was, an error. Umpires get stuff wrong and it can change matches for sure but they are human, they make mistakes. It's why I decided it wasn't for me. You have to be tough to live with your mistakes knowing it might have badly affected a player ... and I couldn't do that. But live with it we all must.
There are many, many examples long before hawkeye where incorrect calls and decisions have affected matches far more than this did at 3-2 in the first set. It's all about how the players cope with the situation and it happens to them all at some point. It's part and parcel of having human umpires and that's not going to change (I hope) ... so I still believe the reaction is OTT.
Exhibit 3 in the case against Mourier's competency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=165r4mM9edc
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