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Sallydaisy
01-01-2018, 15:37
If he ever needed a chat up line in the future here's one for Andy:
"I can take you to a 'hip' joint"
:skippy:
But it won't be at the Australian Open this year!!!
Anyhoo - here's the posts that I can find about his hip.
BBC saying Andy has pulled out now :(
Josephine
02-01-2018, 09:41
Former world number one Andy Murray says he may have to consider surgery after withdrawing from the Brisbane International because of a hip injury.
BBC
And a whole lot more on Instagram which I can't post.
Sad.
HoopGirl
02-01-2018, 09:46
Former world number one Andy Murray says he may have to consider surgery after withdrawing from the Brisbane International because of a hip injury.
BBC
Oh blimey - this is serious! What's happened?
Oh blimey - this is serious! What's happened?
I think his hips are completely (expletive of your choice). I imagine that run to No 1 at the tag end of 2016 finished them off. However I can’t bring myself to regret it. I hope he doesn’t either.
Good luck with whatever you chose AM. Do whatever you end up doing for you and your family, not for anyone else.
HoopGirl
02-01-2018, 09:55
Have just signed up to Instagram to read Andy's long and very sad post.
What a terrible position he is in. What a tough decision to make!
So many risks one way or another.
Josephine
02-01-2018, 10:01
Very sad.
He's not 'happy and fulfilled' - he says he would give anything to be back playing tennis. Well, it's a turn of phrase but that's what he said.
So the newspaper reports about continuing doubts were accurate - of course Andy's decision to delay coming to Australia was significant.
https://instagram.com/p/BdcSGu6lMYj/
You can get on via Facebook. This might work.
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Josephine
02-01-2018, 10:03
From Andy
Hey everyone.. Just wanted to write a little message on here for anyone interested in what in going through right now.
Firstly I want to apologise to @brisbanetennis for withdrawing at late notice and to everyone who wanted to come along to watch me play(or lose) The organisers couldn't have been more understanding and supportive and I'll always remember that. Thank you.
I've obviously been going through a really difficult period with my hip for a long time and have sought council from a number of hip specialists. Having been recommended to treat my hip conservatively since the US Open I have done everything asked of me from a rehab perspective and worked extremely hard to try get back on the court competing. Having played practice sets here in Brisbane with some top players unfortunately this hasn't worked yet to get me to the level I would like so I have to reassess my options. Obviously continuing rehab is one option and giving my hip more time to recover. Surgery is also an option but the chances of a successful outcome are not as I high as I would like which has made this my secondary option and my hope has been to avoid that. However this is something I may have to consider but let's hope not.
I choose this pic as the little kid inside me just wants to play tennis and Compete.. I genuinely miss it so much and i would give anything to be back out there. I didn't realise until these last few months just how much I love this game. Everytime I wake up from sleeping or napping i hope that it's better and it's quite demoralising when you get on the court it's not at the level you need it to be to compete at this level.
In the short term I'm going to be staying in Australia for the next couple of days to see if my hip settles down a bit and will decide by the weekend whether to stay out here or fly home to assess what I do next.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to keep everyone in the loop and get this off my chest as it's really hurting inside.
Hope to see you back on the court soon ❤️
:sad::crying:
Very sad.
He's not 'happy and fulfilled' - he says he would give anything to be back playing tennis. Well, it's a turn of phrase but that's what he said.
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I was paraphrasing what he said post US Open 2012. Having to retire without wining a Grandslam might have destroyed him. I don’t think this will. Having to face the prospect of retirement is inevitably going to be very difficult. It must be for anyone who enjoys their job, but whether it happens now or in 5 years time it is going to happen. Tennis will always be part of his life. To what extent is up to him. Personally for me the most telling thing were the reports last year of him moving into active mentoring and support of other up and coming sportspeople. It suggested to me he was very much thinking of his post tennis life.
Don’t get me wrong, I am as sad about it as the next person, but I don’t want to see him 20 or 30 years down the line struggling to walk like Borg was in 2016.
I panicked a bit when I saw that post this morning!! It must be so frustrating for him to be struggling with an injury like that. I'm praying the conservative therapy works and he can be back out playing this year at the right time.
Josephine
02-01-2018, 10:22
Retiring at a time of one's own choice when you feel you have done all you can - with a planned date and proper goodbye - is very different from being forced to retire through an injury you hope to recover from. Yes, it would be hard for him to retire at any time - but it is easier to come to terms with if he has played as long as he really wants to and has made a considered decision.
exislander
02-01-2018, 10:30
His post and choice of pic makes me very sad. :crying: hope he can get back on court but looks like it won't be soon.
Golden Lady
02-01-2018, 10:46
So very sad for Andy, just praying that all works out for him. He's given us so much already, we love him and just want him to be healthy and happy.
RosieBear
02-01-2018, 10:59
I'm so deeply sad for Andy:sad::sad::sad::sad: It doesn't matter how many other beautiful things he has in his life, being a tennis player is a fundamental part of his identity, and his happiness is so clearly and inextricably linked to tennis. Completely understandable - most of us simply cannot begin to comprehend the sacrifices he has made to carve out his path.
No doubt this news will engender the usual comments about retirement. I can't express how much I disgaree with them - I would not dream of stating that Andy should not retire, so I find it hard to get my head around suggestions that he should. A couple of posts above Josephine has set out perfectly why it will be such a personal and well-thought through matter for Andy and a matter for him alone, so I really hope the likes of Cash and co back off. Andy has explicitly stated how much he wants to come back and play, if Cash and co can't find it within themselves to make supportive/encouraging comments about Andy's stated aims, I hope they refrain from undermining ones.
Like retirement, I view Andy's medical issues as a highly personal matter. So no comment from me other than get well soon our beloved Andy. We are all rooting for you. We will wait patiently for your return, however long it takes.
JAMES4578
02-01-2018, 11:33
Very sad news and recovery taking longer than perhaps initially envisaged but knew nothing was guaranteed, however if Andy is not ready then think he should delay his return. If surgery does became more of a necessity at this stage of career could be problematic, Andy very much best placed with advisors/consultants to make the best decisions. I think he clearly misses the game and wants to play a bit longer and hope his body will enable him to do so. Certainly shouldn't be pressurised into calling it a day before he wishes to do so but a worrying time.
I don’t think anyone is pressuring him to retirement, or otherwise. I also think it is very natural for his fans to be interested in exactly what is wrong with his hips.
I inevitably have an interest in hip joints. I was born with a severe dislocation of the left hip, followed it up post surgical reduction with Perthes disease. The consequence of that was a deformed spine as a result of being severely lame, (I got 12 months in a full body brace for that), and my first Total Hip Replacement at 26. I also have Osteo Arthritis in knees and other hip as well, caused by my distorted walking gait. I can also remember, whilst being immeasurably grateful the pain had gone, of being aware that the new hip was still not as good as the original one before the onset of Osteo Arthritis, which given my original hip looked like a mushroom, not a ball is telling to me. Whilst I accept I am overweight and unfit, and have nothing in common with AM, I just can’t see him recovering from hip surgery to play at the top level of his chosen sport again.
It’s not me being negative. It’s cold, hard logic. I can see he is distraught. I just think it would have been far worse had this happened before he won his Grand Slams.
In the end I don’t want to see this supreme sportsman reduced to the level of Borg.
:sad: Tennis just isnt the same without Andy .. but not surprised really , could tell the other day in the exhibition match that he was still struggling with his hip , Poor Andy
Bless! Feel so sad for him.....and of course us. From the outset with this I really didn't see how he could come back without surgery. I know he's seen specialists but the hip really is a very simple joint, unlike a knee. So options would be injection, resurface or replacement I'd imagine. As someone who's had both mine replaced in the last 3 years, it can be VERY successful. I've forgotten I've had it done till someone mentions it. I spoke to Andrew Castle at DC just after my first replacement and he said he'd had one of his done and been back playing at Wimbledon after a few months. I know not at a high level but....I worried that Andy would keep putting off surgery till it might be too late. I felt he delayed his back op such that his subsequent career, whilst highly successful, hasn't gone on as long as it otherwise might have. Retiring is entirely a matter for him but I just can't see rehab doing it. He's been rehabbing for how long??? If it's not working now.....Time is ticking on. That's 6 months op recovery time gone already, looked at in the clear light of day.
If he does retire I'm sure he'll continue to be heavily involved in tennis one way or another. I just wish him well.
WimbledonWestie
02-01-2018, 12:18
Poor Andy, such a heartfelt post.
That is such a sad post from Andy and I hope that having shared his frustration brings a modicum of relief to him. I know nothing about recovery from hip ops but Andy has obviously received opinions which make him very reluctant to put himself through the process. Before his post, I was in the process of posting that if we have to wait longer before seeing our boy competing again, then so be it and I still hope that will be the outcome.
Kyrgios & Strycova left a comment on Andy's instagram post.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSh96-pW0AEop3h.jpg
Andy won Wimbledon in 2013 with a chronic back problem which required surgery stalling his progress but he came back and after reaching #1 he suffered a chronic hip injury. Just have to wait for what comes next but his determination is clear, he wants to play.
themass15
02-01-2018, 13:00
Bless! Feel so sad for him.....and of course us. From the outset with this I really didn't see how he could come back without surgery. I know he's seen specialists but the hip really is a very simply joint, unlike a knee. So options would be injection, resurface or replacement I'd imagine. As someone who's had both mine replaced in the last 3 years, it can be VERY successful. I've forgotten I've had it done till someone mentions it. I spoke to Andrew Castle at DC just after my first replacement and he said he'd had one of his done and been back playing at Wimbledon after a few months. I know not at a high level but....I worried that Andy would keep putting off surgery till it might be too late. I felt he delayed his back op such that his subsequent career, whilst highly successful, hasn't gone on as long as it otherwise might have. Retiring is entirely a matter for him but I just can't see rehab doing it. He's been rehabbing for how long??? If it's not working now.....Time is ticking on. That's 6 months op recovery time gone already, looked at in the clear light of day.
If he does retire I'm sure he'll continue to be heavily involved in tennis one way or another. I just wish him well.
Agree with everything you have said Pat. Rehab just isn't working
Guerkins2
02-01-2018, 14:59
This is such sad news. He is obviously just loves the game so much and for us tennis really just isn’t the same without Andy!
themass15
02-01-2018, 15:31
I will still be a tennis fan but it will not be the same without Andy!!!!!!!
david1610
02-01-2018, 16:28
The saddest thing of all is Andy realising how much he loves playing tennis at this time :(
Would he lose a full season if he opted for surgery?
It seems like the conservative rehab is not producing the results he was hoping. :(
Josephine
02-01-2018, 16:31
Andy is like no other. Will never feel the same for any other player.
Very sad now - losing a whole season at this stage of his career - if it meant that - would be very, very difficult to come back from.
RosieBear
02-01-2018, 16:53
Kev Anderson, who is older than Andy, had a serious hip injury and contemplated surgery at the start of last year then played some of his best ever tennis to reach his first ever slam final in NY. It was a joy to watch. Andy unquestionably has challenges ahead of him, but there's not a more determined person on the planet than Andy to deal with them. It was hugely telling the other day when Andy re-tweeted a fan's tweet the distilled content of which was 'write Andy off at your peril because he always proves doubters wrong.' (well done, Scott Barclay :thumbup:) It felt like Andy's way of imploring us to keep believing in him. That seems to be what he wants from his fans so I'll express my unwavering belief in and admiration for his ultra determined comeback (whatever the time, whatever the level it's going to happen :superman:).
Josephine
02-01-2018, 17:43
I have no lack of belief in his determination. I really do hope he is able to play soon. :thumbup:
But sad for him right now. :sad:
themass15
02-01-2018, 18:49
I have felt sadder for Andy as the day has gone on. He has given us all so much pleasure and enjoyment since he won the boys US Open in 2004
lovetennis
02-01-2018, 18:58
Reading your posts and feeling the same things as so many of you...sad that Andy can't play and trying to remain optimistic because we know he will do all he can to continue playing until he is ready to hang up his racquet on his own terms. But my overwhelming feeling reading his post was feeling so sad that he is feeling sad himself. It really is a sincere and heartfelt statement, and to be honest I had to hold back a little tear when I read it on my phone in the staffroom at lunchtime. When the injury first raised its head last year I felt so gutted for Andy that it happened just as he had reached the pinnacle of the no.1 ranking. I so wanted him to be able to enjoy his success but instead he has had to deal with this injury.
No matter what he decides - surgery or not, I hope he can return as he so clearly wants to. Lovely to see so many messages of support on his Instagram from fans but also fellow players (Rafa, Djokovic, Kyrigos are just a few I spotted) because in his neverending modesty, Andy just wanted to share his thoughts for "anyone who is interested". Well Andy thousands and thousands of people are interested because we love you to bits
Kev Anderson, who is older than Andy, had hip surgery at the start of last year then played some of his best ever tennis to reach his first ever slam final in NY. It was a joy to watch. Andy unquestionably has challenges ahead of him, but there's not a more determined person on the planet than Andy to deal with them. It was hugely telling the other day when Andy re-tweeted a fan's tweet the distilled content of which was 'write Andy off at your peril because he always proves doubters wrong.' (well done, Scott Barclay :thumbup:) It felt like Andy's way of imploring us to keep believing in him. That seems to be what he wants from his fans so I'll express my unwavering belief in and admiration for his ultra determined comeback (whatever the time, whatever the level it's going to happen :superman:).
Very, Very True RB & don't forget Lleyton Hewitt!!! #unwaveringbelief, good one RB!!!
lovetennis
02-01-2018, 19:02
Very, Very True RB & don't forget Lleyton Hewitt!!! #unwaveringbelief, good one RB!!!
I do hope Andy has talked to Anderson - if only to get the name of his surgeon and to be inspired that he can recover
Och poor poor Andy. I feel so sad for him as all he wanted to do was be on court playing tennis. He had even readjusted, very sensibly, his goals for 2018. His Instagram message says all you need to know about the dedication, integrity and true valour of this very special person. And the comments from his peers back that up and show the respect in which he is held. We were very spoiled at the end of 2016. Our man had done pretty much everything we had dreamed for him and at the start of 2017 we thought it was going to go on and on to even more. Then suddenly, it felt as if it was snatched away from us and we had to be content watching tennis without Andy featuring. It was never quite the same. We eagerly awaited his return, we came close, but not to be. If we are sad, devastated even, just imagine how distraught Andy must be. He so obviously wants to continue and my heart goes out to him. Go Andy and do what you know is right for you and we will be here for you regardless.
RosieBear
02-01-2018, 19:24
As I've just posted on the newspaper thread, if Andy were to opt for surgery the lay-off period would be 4-6 months.
Josephine
02-01-2018, 23:47
If the operation was a straightforward answer and could guarantee fitness, I'm sure Andy would already have done this.
Sadly it seems nothing can be guaranteed.
RosieBear
03-01-2018, 08:22
I do hope Andy has talked to Anderson - if only to get the name of his surgeon and to be inspired that he can recover
Actually, lovetennis, my mistake, correction to previous post - Anderson contemplated surgery but didn't actually undergo it, instead opted to rehab for 1 year. Still very inspiring that he came back from Labrum tear though (Andy's suspected condition) :thumbup:
Mike Bryan is another who has continued to play without surgery. If Andy's singles career is curtailed, then I would hope he would have a happy and successful period of doubles with Jamie sometime in the future.
Actually, lovetennis, my mistake, correction to previous post - Anderson contemplated surgery but didn't actually undergo it, instead opted to rehab for 1 year. Still very inspiring that he came back from Labrum tear though (Andy's suspected condition) :thumbup:
Where did you read Andy has a labrum tear RB? I'd definitely feel more hopeful about an injury rather than a progressive condition such as wear and tear.
Tennys Sandgren had an operation to repair a torn labrum at the beginning of March 2014 and returned to play the US Open at the end of August that year. He was only 22 at the time which does seem to be significant in terms of recovery.
WimbledonWestie
03-01-2018, 15:44
Where did you read Andy has a labrum tear RB? I'd definitely feel more hopeful about an injury rather than a progressive condition such as wear and tear.
Russell Fuller speculates that this is what the problem is in his BBC column
RosieBear
03-01-2018, 16:21
Where did you read Andy has a labrum tear RB? I'd definitely feel more hopeful about an injury rather than a progressive condition such as wear and tear.
Mrs P, back in November my auntie told me that her hip-specialist boss felt that, taking everything into account, including the reported confusion around diagnosis, the rehab v surgery decision etc, his best guess was that Andy has a labral tear (possibly but neccesarily as a result of dysplasia). I didn't mention it at the time because I didn't want to say anything too private about Andy or give the impression it was anything other than a (well-educated) guess. I only mentioned it today because suddenly several media outlets (BBC as Westie says, The Times, The Telegragh and several others), are all reporting suspicions that Andy has a torn labrum - I wonder if, in light of his Brisbane cancellation and heartfelt post, Andy has been prepared to give the press a little more information? But then again, the reports do still have a speculative tone to them which would be odd if Andy had truly clarified the situation.:shrug:
THis is the BBC article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/42539620
Russel Fuller's comments
This heartfelt and poignant post from Murray is the first time he has publicly voiced the anxiety that many others have felt for him and for his future in the game.
He will have approached this period of rehabilitation as meticulously, thoroughly and professionally as everything else in his career. And now - as he approaches six months away from the match court - he has discovered all too painfully that it has so far not been sufficient.
Murray is still very reluctant to opt for surgery, but he may come to the conclusion over the next few days that he has little alternative.
Murray has never addressed the precise nature of his hip problem. There is not one accepted diagnosis, but a very good source has told me Murray has a torn labrum. Any surgery would therefore be fraught with uncertainty and my understanding is that even if successful, the repair can sometimes have a limited shelf life.
Every condition is of course different, but Lleyton Hewitt had surgery on both hips for similar reasons in 2008 and 2010. He was never quite the same player again but still won three ATP titles after going under the knife for a second time.
Murray's other concern with surgery will be his extended absence from the sport. By July, he will have been missing for a whole year. However great a player, it is hugely challenging to rediscover that competitive edge after such a long break from the tour.
Novak sends his ‘support and strength’ to Andy in a heartfelt message after Andy's worrying update on his fitness. Novak, who is also struggling with an elbow injury, thanked Andy for ‘genuinely sharing’ his ‘thoughts and emotions’ in a lengthy Instagram post, where Andy admitted he’s considering undergoing surgery on his problematic hip.
‘Andy, thank you for genuinely sharing your thoughts and emotions with everyone,’ he posted on Instagram. ‘I can imagine how bad it feels. ‘We all send you support and strength to get through this [sic] tough circumstances.’
Novak was not alone in sending Andy his best wishes. Rafa also sent a touching message of support
‘Andy, we miss you and we hope to see you back soon! ‘Get well my friend!’
Two really nice messages from Novak and Rafa that echo our concerns for Andy. We really miss Andy as well and hope he will recover from this hip injury and we will see him back on court soon.
Rosalind
03-01-2018, 22:34
The more I read and hear the sadder I am. Am not watching any tennis due to Andy's not being part of it. Thought I would watch re-run of the year end 2016 final to cheer myself up but it's not enjoyable. Group hugs needed :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::crying:
LC the fan
04-01-2018, 00:59
Feeling just as you are Rosalind. At least Andy is saying he just wants to be back and not necessarily in the top ten...but will he feel that way if back playing ?
My only consolation is that my sleep pattern during the Oz open will not be disturbed this year...but I would cheerfully go back to broken nights for the joyful news if recovery does come
lovetennis
04-01-2018, 06:59
Andy has now withdrawn from the AO. Sad but not unexpected http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/42498543
themass15
04-01-2018, 07:09
Very, very sad indeed. I wonder when we will next get any news.
HoopGirl
04-01-2018, 07:15
Yes - very sad. I was hoping against hope that maybe some miracle would have happened but I knew in my head that it wasn't happening.
Amazing the difference a year can make!
Next news - shot of Andy in hospital bed??
RosieBear
04-01-2018, 08:26
Such a shame, expected but poor Andy :sad: But I just know with all my heart he will be back here, of all places - all those finals, he's got unfinished business.
After his back surgery, there was so much doubt in 2014/5. Every other post began with the well-meaning but utterly demoralising words 'if he never wins another thing...'.:ill:
But I knew then he'd come back and I know now that he will come back again. I know because Andy has told us, and that is good enough for me. Feel our positive vibes and get well soon, Andy.
Sad, but the right thing. Poor chap.
Such a shame, expected but poor Andy :sad: But I just know with all my heart he will be back here, of all places - all those finals, he's got unfinished business.
After his back surgery, there was so much doubt in 2014/5. Every other post began with the well-meaning but utterly demoralising words 'if he never wins another thing...'.:ill:
But I knew then he'd come back and I know now that he will come back again. I know because Andy has told us, and that is good enough for me. Feel our positive vibes and get well soon, Andy.
Totally agree with you Rosie.:big grin::thumbup:
During Jo Konta's match, Russell Fuller said on radio five live that Andy was on his way to Melbourne. Russell then asked why. When I woke up, Russell Fuller was back on radio five live saying Andy was on his way home. Russell claimed a close Andy source had told him that what the real problem is and an operation wouldn't be the answer, instead Andy should think about retirement. Russell didn't believe the source, as Andy has never told anyone what the real problem is and the only solution would be an operation. Otherwise, Andy would turn up for the tournament and then have to pull out. Russell Fuller believed that Andy should retire when he wants too, not to be forced by it.
Golden Lady
04-01-2018, 08:56
Poor Andy, we can but only imagine how he must be feeling flying home after trying his utmost to be ready to compete. So glad he has a loving family to come home to and I am sure he will take much comfort from that. Personally not listening to any speculation and certainly not the 'r' word! I know for sure that Andy will do everything in his power to come out the other side from this. When I think of the big disappointments he has had on the court, losing 4 major finals before finally winning one, I just stand in awe at his resilience and determination to succeed. That determination is still prevalent within him for sure. Get better Andy, however long it takes and we will see you soon!
Poor Andy - no surprise whatsoever, but like everyone else, feel for him so much.
All the best Andy - we really hope to see you back on court when you're good and ready.
I've just heard that Andy has withdrawn from the AO. Very wise decision but Andy will be so disappointed.
All the very best to Andy in whatever the future holds for him now. We will really, really miss him at the AO. :sad:
JAMES4578
04-01-2018, 10:09
obviously frustrating for Andy to miss another slam but think there little point in trying to play the Australian Open with still not being in the best of shape, Andy needs more recovery time and to consider the options which should enable him to return to the court in due course.
I think the trouble is that nobody actually knows what the true problem is. I can understand his desire for privacy, but it is a bit frustrating. Until we know exactly what the problem is it’s all just speculation.
What I do know is that whilst hip surgery can be spectacularly successful, and artificial hips are great, they are not as good as the real thing. My artificial hips have been good, but I would say neither of them have been as good as the grossly deformed real hip they replaced. Equally we do not know if total or partial hip replacement is the surgery being proposed.
It might upset people but I can’t see any other outcome from this but enforced retirement. He is 31 this year. He has got 40 or 50 plus years of life ahead of him. I don’t want him to risk damaging his body any more.
I can also understand why he is distraught, but there is still a good life ahead of him, which might or might not involve tennis. For probably the first time in his life retirement will give him the chance to “play”. I can’t bring myself to think that is a bad thing.
Interesting article in The Telegraph
Relevant extract
“I just had a labrum tear,” Hewitt said, in reference to the rubbery piece of cartilage which holds the ball of the hip joint in its socket. “I was out for three months, and then when I started to feel the same thing on the other side I got it done straight away. I don’t know anything about Andy’s situation, but it’s possible his hip is in worse shape than mine was.”
Hewitt’s guess is probably accurate. If there are no complicating factors, surgery on labrum tears has an excellent success rate of up to 90 per cent. Were that the case for Murray, however, he would have had the operation months ago.
The likely explanation for the delay is that he is suffering from a toxic cocktail of conditions, also including arthritis and FAI (otherwise known as femoroacetabular impingement) which all blur into one agonising whole. When the cartilage is badly damaged, surgeons can no longer predict outcomes with any confidence. But Murray is desperate to resume his professional career at any cost, even if that means a last-ditch role of the dice.
Link to full article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/01/04/signs-injury-hit-andy-murray-considering-off-court-options-decision/
supergran
04-01-2018, 11:33
. Andy out of Australian Open. Can we please post a message of support from AMFF on Twitter. Murraynators have already posted.
JAMES4578
04-01-2018, 11:34
We may not have the full picture but all indications are that Andy wants to return to the court as he still enjoys the game and feels he has more to give even if he can't return to his best form. of course this is not guaranteed and remains to be seen how successful surgery would be should he go down this route but think we should all wish Andy the best for the future whatever happens. I think it's still possible Murray could prove some of the critics wrong, fair enough there will be different opinions but ultimately it's up to Andy to make the decisions. Most would want to go out on their own terms and think Andy firmly in this category, though not all get the opportunity.
Such a shame, expected but poor Andy :sad: But I just know with all my heart he will be back here, of all places - all those finals, he's got unfinished business.
After his back surgery, there was so much doubt in 2014/5. Every other post began with the well-meaning but utterly demoralising words 'if he never wins another thing...'.:ill:
But I knew then he'd come back and I know now that he will come back again. I know because Andy has told us, and that is good enough for me. Feel our positive vibes and get well soon, Andy.
Poor Andy, we can but only imagine how he must be feeling flying home after trying his utmost to be ready to compete. So glad he has a loving family to come home to and I am sure he will take much comfort from that. Personally not listening to any speculation and certainly not the 'r' word! I know for sure that Andy will do everything in his power to come out the other side from this. When I think of the big disappointments he has had on the court, losing 4 major finals before finally winning one, I just stand in awe at his resilience and determination to succeed. That determination is still prevalent within him for sure. Get better Andy, however long it takes and we will see you soon!
I totally agree Anna. There is definitely unfinished business for Andy to attend to, and I really feel he will be back. But, as he himself has said, it will only be when his fitness level is right to compete at the top. But his desire to be back is very plain to see. And I like the way he is prepared to adjust his goals and possibly even his game to achieve that.
And like Golden lady, not interested in speculation so am avoiding press articles.
We love you Andy. We'll wait however long!
Josephine
04-01-2018, 12:30
Perhaps Andy will only play doubles again with Jamie.
Just reading Judy's book where she is discussing the difficulty of adjusting physically and psychologically during Andy's first major injury problem. Quite poignant now.
We have to wait and see but tough for now. Surgery is clearly no easy solution in this case.
All the press articles people were dismissing as wrong before Xmas were in fact accurate.
HoopGirl
04-01-2018, 12:45
We all have our different ways of dealing with the news about Andy and the seriousness of it.
The reality is though that desire and positivity - whilst important - isn't the thing that will get Andy playing again - it's being pain free and able to play at the high level he can perform at.
It clearly isn't down to lack of effort on his and his teams part so we know that's not the issue.
Andy may want to choose his time to stop playing but that isn't always an option for everyone - it's an ideal.
In the real world of athletes it's usually the body that decides it - not willpower. Same as for the rest of us mortals.
Talking about whether he will R isn't going to make it happen - Andy - and his body - has to decide that - hopefully not for ages but being realistic at the moment things aren't looking good for him.
Bizarrely enough the Andy who stands in my kitchen ( a life size cardboard model my children bought me) is also looking worn - although his issue is his arm rather than his hip!
I can sellotape him back together though! Wish we could do that with Andy!
HoopGirl
04-01-2018, 12:52
Interesting article in The Telegraph
Relevant extract
“I just had a labrum tear,” Hewitt said, in reference to the rubbery piece of cartilage which holds the ball of the hip joint in its socket. “I was out for three months, and then when I started to feel the same thing on the other side I got it done straight away. I don’t know anything about Andy’s situation, but it’s possible his hip is in worse shape than mine was.”
Hewitt’s guess is probably accurate. If there are no complicating factors, surgery on labrum tears has an excellent success rate of up to 90 per cent. Were that the case for Murray, however, he would have had the operation months ago.
The likely explanation for the delay is that he is suffering from a toxic cocktail of conditions, also including arthritis and FAI (otherwise known as femoroacetabular impingement) which all blur into one agonising whole. When the cartilage is badly damaged, surgeons can no longer predict outcomes with any confidence. But Murray is desperate to resume his professional career at any cost, even if that means a last-ditch role of the dice.
Link to full article
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/01/04/signs-injury-hit-andy-murray-considering-off-court-options-decision/
Thanks for that Teresa.
He did say that there were a number of things going on with his hip a while back.
That makes sense cause if it was straightforward he would be more likely to just say what the issue was.
It sounds like he has little to lose by trying surgery now.
He can't play at the moment anyway unless another 6 months layoff and conservative will do the trick..
BBC Radio Scotland has just interviewed Stu Fraser who said Andy had scheduled a press conference this morning in Brisbane with British journalists but when they arrived on site were told he'd flown to Melbourne. He said Andy had been concerned at becoming emotional if he'd held another press conference and wanted to avoid that. There was also an interview with a surgeon who is the President of the British Hip Society which was very informative without the doom-mongering.
themass15
04-01-2018, 13:06
Very understandable given the circumstances
HoopGirl
04-01-2018, 13:10
Just because Andy is/was reluctant to undergo surgery does not necessarily mean that there are aggravating factors.
Kevin Anderson had a straightforward labral tear situation and had to decide between rehab and surgery. He opted for rehab and explained that it natural for sportspeople to opt for the conservative/non-surgical route in the first instance.
Although he has come back brilliantly, he has said that with hindsight he would have opted for surgery because his rehab year was so gruelling.
As Kevin said, it is natural for Andy to try rehab as his first option and this does not mean that there is some sinister, complicating reason why he hasn't opted for surgery yet. On the other hand, Andy may indeed be dealing with aggravating factors that Kevin didn't have to face. The point is nobody but Andy knows.
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It's not speculation to say we do know he wasn't averse to having back surgery though RB.
It was considered to be highly risky but he took that decision when others would have said take the conservative route.
Thankfully he came back amazingly.
RosieBear
04-01-2018, 13:15
It's not speculation to say we do know he wasn't averse to having back surgery though RB.
It was considered to be highly risky but he took that decision when others would have said take the conservative route.
Thankfully he came back amazingly.
I will still only ever work off Andy' s words though, HG, even though it looks like we are going to have to wait patiently to hear them. Poor Andy avoiding the press conference :sad:
Josephine
04-01-2018, 13:35
'Surgery is also an option but the chances of a successful outcome are not as I high as I would like which has made this my secondary option and my hope has been to avoid that. However this is something I may have to consider but let's hope not.'
Andy's words - so clearly surgery is no easy answer.
RosieBear
04-01-2018, 13:44
'Surgery is also an option but the chances of a successful outcome are not as I high as I would like which has made this my secondary option and my hope has been to avoid that. However this is something I may have to consider but let's hope not.'
Andy's words - so clearly surgery is no easy answer.
Yip - sadly no easy answers available to Andy. But still believe him when he says he'll be back :)
HoopGirl
04-01-2018, 13:57
I will still only ever work off Andy' s words though, HG, even though it looks like we are going to have to wait patiently to hear them. Poor Andy avoiding the press conference :sad:
Yep poor Andy - he's gutted!
Mike Bryan, 35, is one player who has defied the odds--avoiding surgery altogether--to make a spectacular comeback in 2004 from potentially career ending hip problems and remain at the top of the men’s doubles game along with his brother, Bob Bryan. As part of a dynamic paring on the doubles circuit, the two have been a dominant force in the world of men’s doubles over the past decade.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2013/10/10/the-perils-of-hip-injuries-in-mens-tennis-how-mike-bryan-of-the-bryan-brothers-beat-the-odds/#729769ee6b83
RosieBear
04-01-2018, 15:13
. Andy out of Australian Open. Can we please post a message of support from AMFF on Twitter. Murraynators have already posted.
Sally is having a problem with her Twitter login. She'll tweet when issue resolved. :)
Josephine
04-01-2018, 15:37
Andy's grandad speaking about it all - making me tearful. Radio Clyde on Twitter - somebody cleverer than me will have to post it.
Sallydaisy
04-01-2018, 16:06
. Andy out of Australian Open. Can we please post a message of support from AMFF on Twitter. Murraynators have already posted.
Done.
Rosalind
04-01-2018, 16:39
Andy's grandad speaking about it all - making me tearful. Radio Clyde on Twitter - somebody cleverer than me will have to post it.
https://twitter.com/RadioClydeNews/status/948916243611967488. I found it on here. Scroll down the page from the top and you will see it quite soon. yes sad.
Thank you Rosalind. :crying::crying:
RosieBear
04-01-2018, 17:36
The unethical media really are going to town, aren't they. Saw reports of this interview in the paper. It was conducted for one of two reasons (i) they were hoping Andy's grandad would tell them something that Andy hasn't officially released (horrible) or (ii) they realise Andy's grandad can't provide further factual details so just want the emotional story ie an elderly man discussing his fears for his beloved grandson (horrible). Not a fan of this sort of reporting, I'm afraid. Just my opinion, of course.
Do you think Andy would appreciate a card?
Rosalind
04-01-2018, 18:37
Do you think Andy would appreciate a card?
I think the more cards etc the better. Xenon is producing a collage (search for collage on here for details) but the more the better I think.
WimbledonWestie
04-01-2018, 18:43
Bouncy Castle on news almost gleefully declaring it's the end. Fortunately more positive inputs from others.
Rosalind
04-01-2018, 18:50
Bouncy Castle on news almost gleefully declaring it's the end. Fortunately more positive inputs from others.
select what you listen to and read with care at the moment would be my advice to avoid unnecessary upset - it's bad enough as it is. As Rosiebear said above the media are going to town. Sometimes you hardly hear a peep out of them re tennis and then this.... :grouphug: group hug everybody.
WimbledonWestie
04-01-2018, 18:55
He was on BBC main news and also reporting Scotland- as reporting Scotland gave the story much more air time they spoke to a greater range of people - all far more positive.
Defffo sharing the group hug. :grouphug:
The unethical media really are going to town, aren't they. Saw reports of this interview in the paper. It was conducted for one of two reasons (i) they were hoping Andy's grandad would tell them something that Andy hasn't officially released (horrible) or (ii) they realise Andy's grandad can't provide further factual details so just want the emotional story ie an elderly man discussing his fears for his beloved grandson (horrible). Not a fan of this sort of reporting, I'm afraid. Just my opinion, of course.
I wouldn't have thought many of us are RB.
I switch off as soon as I here the words "And tell me how did you feel when???? (ie you found out the bad news)"
"Oh actually I felt blood eeeee fantastic" "How did you think I would feel you Dylan?"
Hmmmmm can't wait for that to happen, I'll probably wet myself.
david1610
04-01-2018, 20:10
Russell Fuller speculates that this is what the problem is in his BBC column
I am having to count to ten at some of the speculation... I know journalists have column inches to fill but they should try and do better than e.g.
"Former British number one Andrew Castle says Murray's career at the top level will be over if he has to have an operation, but stressed he did not know the extent of the injury." http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/42498543
This is clearly a medical situation which is not a "black and white" problem with a unique solution - Andy himself has consulted more than one specialist. I just wish experienced media sources would be more selective in whom they asked for quotes. It is counterproductive having ignorant speculation.
The unethical media really are going to town, aren't they. Saw reports of this interview in the paper. It was conducted for one of two reasons (i) they were hoping Andy's grandad would tell them something that Andy hasn't officially released (horrible) or (ii) they realise Andy's grandad can't provide further factual details so just want the emotional story ie an elderly man discussing his fears for his beloved grandson (horrible). Not a fan of this sort of reporting, I'm afraid. Just my opinion, of course.
Hadn't thought of it that way Anna! I do see where you are coming from. I love Andy's granddad and I'm sure that whatever he knows, he was never going to reveal it. And as he agreed to do the interview in the first place I suppose there's not that much harm in it? I'm a bit of a softie too I guess! Also what gave me a real lump in my throat was the Wimbledon twitter post showing a rally between Andy and Verdasco entitled 'A little reminder of what a fully fit @andy_murray can do....' Oh boy, Andy was awesome in that rally! It brought home just how much I miss him.
lovetennis
04-01-2018, 21:51
I am having to count to ten at some of the speculation... I know journalists have column inches to fill but they should try and do better than e.g.
"Former British number one Andrew Castle says Murray's career at the top level will be over if he has to have an operation, but stressed he did not know the extent of the injury." http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/42498543
This is clearly a medical situation which is not a "black and white" problem with a unique solution - Andy himself has consulted more than one specialist. I just wish experienced media sources would be more selective in whom they asked for quotes. It is counterproductive having ignorant speculation.
The media item that annoyed me the most was on BBC News this evening - Castle proposing that Andy will have to retire, just pure speculation but you can always rely on Castle to go for the headline grabbing comment
lovetennis
04-01-2018, 21:54
Hadn't thought of it that way Anna! I do see where you are coming from. I love Andy's granddad and I'm sure that whatever he knows, he was never going to reveal it. And as he agreed to do the interview in the first place I suppose there's not that much harm in it? I'm a bit of a softie too I guess! Also what gave me a real lump in my throat was the Wimbledon twitter post showing a rally between Andy and Verdasco entitled 'A little reminder of what a fully fit @andy_murray can do....' Oh boy, Andy was awesome in that rally! It brought home just how much I miss him.
I saw that too Pat. it was Andy at his most awesome. There have been lots of supportive posts from other tournaments/tennis organisations too. I've always thought Andy doesn't realise how much he is loved in the tennis world so I hope all the support people have shown makes him feel a bit better
WimbledonWestie
04-01-2018, 22:27
The media item that annoyed me the most was on BBC News this evening - Castle proposing that Andy will have to retire, just pure speculation but you can always rely on Castle to go for the headline grabbing comment
The BBC1 news bulletin was pretty depressing. Scottish viewers got a slightly more upbeat story on BBC Scotland news after that.
Hadn't thought of it that way Anna! I do see where you are coming from. I love Andy's granddad and I'm sure that whatever he knows, he was never going to reveal it. And as he agreed to do the interview in the first place I suppose there's not that much harm in it? I'm a bit of a softie too I guess! Also what gave me a real lump in my throat was the Wimbledon twitter post showing a rally between Andy and Verdasco entitled 'A little reminder of what a fully fit @andy_murray can do....' Oh boy, Andy was awesome in that rally! It brought home just how much I miss him.
What's more impressive is that Andy wasn't fully fit, as the back problem he'd suffered with for 2 years was at its peak and he'd to endure hours of physio before and after each match to be able play, culminating in surgery in the October.
GUARDIAN today, kevin mitchell (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/05/andy-murrays-lost-six-months)
this is a history of Andy's hip problem - starting as a "searing pain" when losing to Stan wawrinka at Roland Garros, the French Open.
if the problem stems from an injury rather than an abnormality then a cure/healing should be possible - hope so anyway.
Sorry I haven't posted for a while. I have just had chance to read through this thread. Like everyone else I am incredibly sad for Andy and for us fans. I was really optimistic that he would start the season so it was a gut wrencher to hear the news and read that instagram post :crying::crying:
Since then I have avoided newspaper articles as like RB and others, I really don't want to get drawn into speculation. No amount of talking about his options, trying to decipher what the problem is or reading pessimistic articles is going to get anyone any closer to the crux. Only Andy and his team know what the real issue is so all we can do is hope and wait for news from Andy.
I believe he really really wants to just play and knowing what a fighter he is I defy anyone to bet against that. I cannot contemplate him not being able to return, I can't bear to think about it and when I do I end up in tears. So I'm not going there. And has told us he'll be back so until I hear otherwise FROM ANDY, that is what I will believe.
supergran
05-01-2018, 15:21
The unethical media really are going to town, aren't they. Saw reports of this interview in the paper. It was conducted for one of two reasons (i) they were hoping Andy's grandad would tell them something that Andy hasn't officially released (horrible) or (ii) they realise Andy's grandad can't provide further factual details so just want the emotional story ie an elderly man discussing his fears for his beloved grandson (horrible). Not a fan of this sort of reporting, I'm afraid. Just my opinion, of course.
My thoughts exactly. The media makes me sick and Andrew Castle.....well, I can't say it on here or I'll be banned!!!
lovetennis
05-01-2018, 20:31
Judy tweeting her views on the so-called experts in the media :thumbup: https://twitter.com/JudyMurray/status/949374026568396800
RosieBear
05-01-2018, 20:49
Judy tweeting her views on the so-called experts in the media :thumbup: https://twitter.com/JudyMurray/status/949374026568396800
Excellent. Good for Judy.:clap: The half-baked assumptions and speculation are driving me insane, can't imagine what it's like for Andy and his family. Think Judy has been very restrained. He, his team and if comes to it a top surgeon will take care of business, all Andy needs from anyone else is love, patience and encouragement.
Guerkins2
05-01-2018, 21:48
Judy tweeting her views on the so-called experts in the media :thumbup: https://twitter.com/JudyMurray/status/949374026568396800
Well said, Judy
I'm with Judy. Times like this everyone is an expert. Even those more well known for their accident at work adverts. I'm sure Andy and his team don't need any help or input from castle and co. Andy will do what he thinks is right with the help of his team and on the advice he chooses to solicit. Without input from pundits and journos. In the meantime I'll keep avoiding the speculation and dictat from these "experts"
HoopGirl
08-01-2018, 09:24
Well done, Andy, for highlighting the human cost of irresponsible journalism:thumbup: I hope Andy's next tweet is on the virtue of discretion, since reason #675 to dislike Pat Cash is that he has told the media about a conversation he had with Andy about the extent of his injury. Andy might not have explicitly told him to keep quiet, but anyone with any decency wouldn't tell the press anything that Andy hadn't. Going to re-name him Pat Crass.
Good news - to update on the Pat Cash story - according to The Times today who are quoting Andys management company who are saying the conversation they had didn't specifically refer to his injury - and only one hip is the issue!
I see that Andy’s management have refuted Pat Cashes claim that both hips are affected. I never believed Pat C as Andy only limped on one leg. Some people will do anything to get in the press. Only one hip is causing trouble. So we have to leave it to Andy to do what is best.
RosieBear
08-01-2018, 11:15
So Pat Crass inaccurate as well as indiscreet. What a surprise. Lovely man.:rolleyes:
RosieBear
08-01-2018, 11:18
Thanks HG. :)Have replied on the newspaper thread as this one's for Andy's Twitter. My fault.
Rosalind
08-01-2018, 11:44
I see that Andy’s management have refuted Pat Cashes claim that both hips are affected. I never believed Pat C as Andy only limped on one leg. Some people will do anything to get in the press. Only one hip is causing trouble. So we have to leave it to Andy to do what is best.
wow! thanks for this. I saw the Cash article and thought how indiscrete but good to see the "refute" He's such a yob!
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/42602401) - Andy Murray: British number one has surgery on hip injury (in Melbourne). He also had groin surgery in December. Hopes to be back for the grass court season. :thumbup:
BBC Sport reporting that Andy has had hip surgery in Melbourne. He seems very upbeat about his future on the court!
themass15
08-01-2018, 13:15
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/42602401
Here is the link. The best news this year!
themass15
08-01-2018, 13:16
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/42602401) - Andy Murray: British number one has surgery on hip injury (in Melbourne). He also had groin surgery in December. Hopes to be back for the grass court season. :thumbup:
I have also posted the link on newspaper and internet reports.
themass15
08-01-2018, 13:17
Hopefully Andy's next tweet will be from his hospital bed.
Just heard on BBC news that Andy has had a hip operation in Melbourne. I wish him a speedy recovery. Good luck, Andy:thumbup:
And so we have some proper news from Andy, he has had surgery (just got the alert through on my phone). I have to say my first feeling was of relief. It wasn't what I expected to feel but it's what happened. The quotes from Andy in the BBC article are positive and reflect what i said in my previous post that he wants to come back and keep playing and is absolutely determined to do so. I guess my relief stems from the fact that this gives him the best chance and that he believes in it. I will look forward very much to seeing you at Wimby Andy:big grin:
HoopGirl
08-01-2018, 13:25
Great news that Andy's had his hip operated on and is really positive and upbeat about it!
Feeling so much more positive.
Thanks for the update Andy!
HoopGirl
08-01-2018, 13:28
Great news from Andy and thanks for the BBC for genuine quotes not hearsay!
Really happy for Andy and looking forward to seeing him at Queens again this year!
https://s13.postimg.org/n2ptpazhj/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
Yes great news he decided to go ahead with the op. Once he decides something he doesn’t hang about!
Wishing him all the best for a speedy and complete recovery. My world just isn’t quite the same when I can’t watch Andy play! GOOD LUCK ANDY!
Sallydaisy
08-01-2018, 13:31
extracts from the bbc report:
britain's andy murray has had hip surgery in melbourne and says he hopes to be playing again in time for this summer's grass-court season.
"i'm not finished playing tennis yet. I'm going to be competing at the highest level again," he said. "i'm very optimistic about the future - the surgeon is very happy about how it went." murray, a three-time grand slam champion, believes if he can return to 95% of his best, that will be enough for him to compete again at the top level. He hopes he will be hitting balls on court again after seven or eight weeks, and has been given 14 weeks as a guide for a return from this kind of surgery. But murray, who is currently ranked 19th in the world, said he is not "interested in coming back for a specific tournament". "my plan is to be back playing around the grass-court season - potentially before then - but i'm certainly not going to rush anything," he said. "i want to know when i come back that i'm ready."
he was operated on by dr john o'donnell at the st vincent hospital in melbourne on monday.
he said he first felt pain in his right hip during june's french open semi-final against stan wawrinka, though he has had issues with it throughout his career. "the surgeon felt that my hip will be feeling better than it did a year ago," murray said. "obviously, i was still doing fine a year ago - i was ranked number one in the world." "the rest of my body feels fantastic. I feel really, really good physically apart from this one issue. The surgery allows me to extend my hip well, and i'll be able to sprint."
murray said it has been painful for him to walk since before wimbledon. Though he has become accustomed to soreness in his hip, the pain he has had since last summer has had an impact on his day-to-day life. It has also emerged that he had minor groin surgery on 18 december. That was successful in relieving some of the pain he had been experiencing, and was the reason for delaying his departure to australia until after christmas.
and he says he would like to play until eldest daughter sophia, who was born in february 2016, is able to watch him and have "a small understanding of what it is i've done for my living".
Golden Lady
08-01-2018, 13:33
This is just the best news!
I am so happy for Andy and wish him an excellent recovery from the surgery. We'll see you soon champ!
lovetennis
08-01-2018, 13:35
Well that is a bit of a relief really and sounds very positive. I wonder if Andy always had in mind that if he got to Australia and the hip was still no good he would have the surgery. He will have chosen his surgeon with great care and just read an article saying he has consulted this surgeon previously. He had everyone thinking he's back home and there he was in Australia getting it sorted. His statement shows his utter determination to return to playing. Here's to a good recovery
Reading Andy's Facebook post confirms just how positive he feels. I am stupidly happy to hear it! But it doesn't surprise me ... it's one thing Andy and I have in common, we are positive people :big grin:
Absolutely Fantastic News!!! And from the man himself!!! Wishing You a Speedy Recovery Andy!!! x
How come the "brilliant" reporters didn,t know ..... ?? Lol!.
Couldn't have better news!!!
So happy to have seen Andy's Facebook post just then!! I believe it is wonderful news! Praying he has a full recovery and indeed gets back for the grass court season - that would be brilliant. :no worries::thumbup::love:
Brilliant news. I think I'm happier that the surgeon seems to be pleased with the outcome than anything else :clap::clap::clap:
RosieBear
08-01-2018, 13:52
Wonderful, wonderful news from Andy and his surgeon. Waiting for this has been hellish, but so worth waiting for. Unbelievably happy and relieved for Andy. As Andy has always said and says again he'll be back. I don't doubt it for a second. Going to celebrate by placing a ridiculously large bet on him to win Wimbo.:big grin: Simply cannot keep a good man down and Andy's the best :love:
BBC Radio Scotland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09ld5rc#play)(from 1:14:30) interview with Russell Fuller in Melbourne. It's followed by an interview with the President of the British Hip Society and based on what he heard from media reports and with the caveat this is speculation he suggests that Andy had keyhole surgery on his hip which would reduce damage to the soft tissue which is vital for an elite sportsman and the fact Andy said he'll be back practising relatively quickly means at the time of surgery it was discovered there was not severe wear and tear to his hip.
JAMES4578
08-01-2018, 13:58
Wasn't expecting news so soon and we all thought Andy was back in UK! Anyway glad Andy now had the surgery which by accounts has been successful and feeling positive! There may be no guarantees but Andy should certainly feel the benefits and give himself a far better chance of success, needs to ensure he has sufficient recovery time though.
RosieBear
08-01-2018, 13:59
Oh btw, Andy has played a blinder here. Doubt he ever intended to play Brisbane. A world class sportsman doesn't pluck a surgeon out thin air and let him operate. Nor does a top surgeon operate without knowing the issue inside out. Andy has had this in the pipeline for a while and shown the sportspress up to be the right mugs that they are.
Sallydaisy
08-01-2018, 14:01
Oh btw, Andy has played a blinder here. Doubt he ever intended to play Brisbane. A world class sportsman doesn't pluck a surgeon out thin air and let him operate. Nor does a top surgeon operate without knowing the issue inside out. Andy has had this in the pipeline for a while and shown the sportspress up to be the right mugs that they are.
It's not the first time he's wrong footed them ... good for him!!!
:lol:
Apparently Andy's known the surgeon for 10 years.
@kevinmitchell50
A handful of us spoke to Andy Murray today. He's had the hip op, in Melbourne, and has not sounded as upbeat in a little while. Aiming at next Wimbledon for his comeback but won't be rushed. Revealed the surgeon has been advising him since 2008. Thats a lot of pain. Wish him well
When the news flashed up on my phone I was so relieved that the decision had been taken and the surgery was actually over and the outcome appears very positive. No more wondering. We now can look forward with confidence to Andy's return in the summer. I too never doubted his desire to return....as I said it was plain for all to see. And one of his reasons he so wants to be back is that Sophia may have some understanding of what her dad did. How like Andy and how special is that. So for Sophia and for us I wish Andy all the best for a really speedy recovery and I do look forward to his return to the courts. We've all done this before and we'll do it again. Bless you Andy.
I'm walking round wearing a Cheshire Cat grin :big grin:
Oh btw, Andy has played a blinder here. Doubt he ever intended to play Brisbane. A world class sportsman doesn't pluck a surgeon out thin air and let him operate. Nor does a top surgeon operate without knowing the issue inside out. Andy has had this in the pipeline for a while and shown the sportspress up to be the right mugs that they are.
I'd been wondering that too. He probably arranged the presser in Brisbane (he didn't turn up for) and then disappeared off to Melbourne to keep the journalists in Brisbane :lol:
It is possible he was geniunely testing out his hip against better players before making final decision though.
Josephine
08-01-2018, 14:34
Shocked to hear this on the radio when driving back from work meeting. Pleased to hear Andy has had the operation so no more questions on that. Really, really hope that things work out for the best for Andy and we can see him again before too long.
At meeting, we were looking at dates for a fundraising event and someone mentioned clashing with Wimbledon - and I thought, well I don't care, Andy won't be there. Amazing to hear on the way home that he may be. Fortunately the Sunday before Wimbledon was chosen for the event!
Safe and speedy recovery, Andy!
Don't think the whole trip to Australia was a deception - that would be very discourteous to the Brisbane Open and not like Andy.
But presumably the surgery was all part of the back up plan and the 'trip home' was definitely to deceive.
This is great news. Very best wishes and love to Andy for a speedy recovery. Hope the op was successful and we will see Andy back on the courts of Wimbledon and Queens in the summer.
Anyone know why Andy chose this surgeon? Would be interesting to know.
Thats such GREAT news !!!!
Sure hasn't been the same without my #1 playing !!!
Wishing him all the best !!
exislander
08-01-2018, 15:23
Good news at last! Great to hear Andy sounding so upbeat and positive about returning to a good standard of play - and intending to play long enough for Sophia to watch him. I am again amazed at how successful he is at hoodwinking everyone as to his whereabouts. Everyone was so sure he had flown back to UK from Melbourne!
Andy believing in keeping his friends close but his enemies even closer in having a conference call with British journalists from his hospital bed. :p By sounding so upbeat and positive, it's as if he's challenging them to write something negative. Awaits Simon Briggs piece. :rolleyes: ;)
From Dr (soon to be "Sir" :p) John O'Donnell's website (http://www.johnodonnell.com.au/).
Dr O'Donnell has been performing Hip Arthroscopy since 1990. He is one of the pioneers in this field, and has great experience of this surgery, having performed more than 5000 Arthroscopic Hip Procedures
HoopGirl
08-01-2018, 15:27
Yep just thrilled about the news!
Not sure how Andy got it all set up so quickly but pleased it's over and the future looks good.
So it's had a major impact on his life off court too which must have been tough.
Like RB I will put a bet on him for Wimbledon!
Hope I will see him at Queens.
If not then whenever he's ready!
. :rolleyes: ;)
From Dr (soon to be "Sir" :p) John O'Donnell's website (http://www.johnodonnell.com.au/).
It is a different surgeon to the one Lleyton Hewitt used.
Anyone know why Andy chose this surgeon? Would be interesting to know.
Andy's known him for 10 years.
I’m cock-a-hip about it......ok......:getcoat:
Andy's known him for 10 years.
I’m cock-a-hip about it......ok......:getcoat:
:laugh: Same here Pat, can't stop :big grin::big grin: to myself! Andy sure gave the press a lesson!!!:big grin:
:big grin:
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:laugh: Nice one Andy!!! x Cheers Bardot!:thumbup:
LC the fan
08-01-2018, 16:26
So relieved for Andy that the decision is made, the op done and now he just has to recover, which we all know that, with his determination and dedication, he most certainly will.
Get well soon, Andy....and so hope that it wont be too long before we see Sophia clapping her Daddy from the stands.
Can rely on "Dr" Simon Briggs.
Murray did not explain the details of the condition he has been suffering from, but he did say that Dr O'Donnell had taken a light-touch approach to the surgery. A complete clear-out of the joint would probably have ended his sporting career, so the intention is to muddle through a few more years on the tour and then to have a full hip replacement after he retires.
Is "muddle through" a medical term? :rolleyes:
They haven't got a clue have they!!! :facepalm::doh:
Rosalind
08-01-2018, 16:40
it is good news indeed and the fb postings/picture so typical. I can tell we are all a bit upbeat now too. :skippy:
Wowee!! Who would have thought we would all be so excited for Andy to have an operation but I'm so relieved and happy that he is happy and feels so optimistic.
It is wonderful to see those smiles.
Don't think I had realized how much his news had affected me but i feel so relieved that he has made his decision, had the operation, and is all smiles before the journalists even knew what hit them!! Ha!!Ha!!
Take your time Andy but I know with your determination & true grit you will do everything in your power to be back as soon as you can.
I like that he is going to watch his schedule and enter the tournaments that he wants to as well.
Great to have some definite news from the man himself!
Huge luck, Andy, for your recovery! We will be here looking forward to seeing you play again whenever you're ready!
WWF acknowledging Andy's panda PJ's. ;)
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Andy had groin surgery just before Xmas according to the Independent.
Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-hip-surgery-injury-return-date-australian-open-wimbledon-a8147796.html) - Andy Murray targets Wimbledon return after undergoing successful hip surgery in Melbourne
Murray also revealed that he had had minor groin surgery before Christmas to deal with pain that he was suffering when serving. He was told that he could be back on court within a few days and was able to play a practice set in Abu Dhabi on his way to Brisbane between Christmas and the new year.
“It really helped that particular symptom that I was having,” Murray said. “So that’s really positive as well as that’s another thing I’ve been dealing with that has gone now.”
Can rely on "Dr" Simon Briggs.
Is "muddle through" a medical term? :rolleyes:
I would have put any money on Simon Briggs managing to put a negative spin on it. Good for you, Andy - looking forward to your amazingly successful comeback!!!
supergran
08-01-2018, 17:46
My feelings were of happiness and relief when I heard this morning. Andy sounds positive and is looking forward to playing again. That's all I needed to know.
Delpo & A.Zverev sending their best. :love: Ugly feet warning. :ill: ;)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCS6AmWsAUAVCK.jpg
Looking to the future and Andy's return to tournament play using a protected ranking(PR). A player can apply for a PR if they have not played a tournament for 6 months which will be the case for Andy as it's almost 6 months since Wimbledon. The PR is calculated as an average of his ranking in the first 3 months after he last played so Andy will probably have a ranking of #2 which will gain him entry to all tournaments but this cannot be used for seeding purposes so any tournament he plays, he will be unseeded until his live ranking increases so possibly tough draws ahead. If Andy returns before Wimbledon as he hopes then he will still have a ranking which may gain him entry to tournaments otherwise he can use a PR to gain entry in up to 9 tournaments over a 9 month period. If he returns after Wimbledon, he will have been off tour for 12 months and without a ranking in which case he can use his PR for entry to 12 tournaments over a 12 month period. He can also accept 5 wild card entries in a 12 month period which would not count as PR entries. More than enough opportunities given his plans for a reduced schedule and early tournament success will mean less reliance on entry via a PR.
I've read about the operation on the BBC website. It said he hopes to be back in seven or eight weeks time and he'll down to number 19 in the rankings.
Josephine
08-01-2018, 18:52
Just as well his operation wasn't cancelled 5 times mind you...
themass15
08-01-2018, 18:54
Everything crossed he will be at Queens
jackie55
08-01-2018, 19:19
:big grin:
https://s13.postimg.org/40g3dbzmv/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
I feel so happy today after hearing Andy's news.....lovely to see he hasn't lost his sense of humour, about Jamie:laugh:
guardian, kevin mitchell (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/08/andy-murray-hip-surgery-stubbornness-succeed-recovery-daughter)
"Andy Murray’s decision to go under the knife in a Melbourne hospital on Monday morning – defying a swathe of expert and amateur opinion – looks like it has mended not only his right hip but revitalised the stubborn streak that has made the Scot such a remarkable player. It would seem he is not done yet, not by a long way."
WimbledonWestie
08-01-2018, 20:12
So glad he was able to come to decision one way or other - often it's making the tough choice that's the worst, not the carrying it out. That in itself would be a weight off his shoulders. Loved the Jamie quip. Now look forward to him making Bouncy eat his words!
Guerkins2
08-01-2018, 20:14
It’s been manic at work & I’ve just caught up with the news......and what great news it is. Didn’t waste any time once he made his mind up!
HoopGirl
08-01-2018, 20:15
guardian, kevin mitchell (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/08/andy-murray-hip-surgery-stubbornness-succeed-recovery-daughter)
"Andy Murray’s decision to go under the knife in a Melbourne hospital on Monday morning – defying a swathe of expert and amateur opinion – looks like it has mended not only his right hip but revitalised the stubborn streak that has made the Scot such a remarkable player. It would seem he is not done yet, not by a long way."
Hurrah - may he be stubborn - and thrane - for many years to come!
Love his thraneness, Love Andy!
Hip hop....Music to my ears.
:whistle:
Hip hip hurrah! :getcoat:
Bit more about the groin surgery
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/01/08/andy-murray-undergoes-hip-surgery-australia-remains-hopeful/) - Andy Murray undergoes hip surgery in Australia but remains hopeful of return in time for Wimbledon
While explaining his latest procedure, which began at 7.30am this morning Melbourne time, Murray revealed for the first time that he had previously undergone another bout of surgery – though a far more minor one – on Dec 18. This was a kind of hernia operation, designed to clear up a condition widely known as Sportsman’s Groin. Modern treatments are so effective that he was only off the practice court for four or five days. The detail explains why Murray opted to leave his training block in Miami a few days early.
Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andy-murray-undergoes-hip-surgery-and-targets-wimbledon-return-5ltkh2h7j) - Andy Murray undergoes hip surgery and targets Wimbledon return
After deciding on Tuesday to abort his scheduled comeback at the Brisbane International, Murray had come to the realisation that hip surgery was his next option and travelled down to Melbourne to prepare for the procedure with an experienced surgeon he has known since first consulting him in 2008.
“I had decided in my head on the Tuesday night when I withdrew from the tournament that I had pretty much made my mind up,” Murray said. “But obviously from there you have to decide who you’re going to do the surgery with and where you’re going to have it done.
“Afterwards I met with John and decided he’s one of the best in the world and he’s known me since I was 20 years old. I’ve seen him lots of times over the years and felt like he was the right person to do it. That was when I decided.”
Josephine
09-01-2018, 00:17
So not part of an elaborate plan to deceive.
Anyway glad his sportsman's groin is fixed too.....
So not part of an elaborate plan to deceive.
Anyway glad his sportsman's groin is fixed too.....
I would guess he had a good idea that was who he may want to do the op if he decided to go ahead with it.
Move over Simon Briggs, Neil Harman wins worst take of the day. :facepalm:
https://s13.postimg.org/5vl0bvqs7/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
Still thinks he's a journalist. :rolleyes:
RoastLamb
09-01-2018, 17:08
Article from Tom Tebbut: (http://www.tenniscanada.com/tebbutt-not-hip-hurt/)
You had to feel good for Andy Murray on Monday when he revealed that he had undergone right hip surgery in Melbourne.
The 30-year-old had been limping around and feeling the joint constantly in all his movements on and off the court since before Wimbledon last summer.
There’s no guarantee his hip will now be restored to the way it once was – at least for tennis purposes – as the history of some previous player hip surgeries suggests.
In the 2001-2002 period, four players underwent hip surgeries – Gustavo Kuerten of Brazil (2002), Magnus Norman of Sweden (2001), Harel Levy of Israel (2001) and Sargis Sargsian of Armenia (2001).
At the time there was discussion about a possible cause with one suggestion being that all were right-handers and all but one had right hip surgeries. A thought at the time was that the increased use of open-stance forehands was placing excessive stress on the joint.
Since that time, a few other players have had hip surgeries, including Lleyton Hewitt (left in 2008 and right in 2010) and Milos Raonic (right in 2011). Raonic’s, which happened when he was just 20 and slipped on damp grass at Wimbledon, was an unlucky misstep rather than the result of long-term wear-and-tear.
Like all injuries, hip problems vary in type and degree for different players. Hewitt and Raonic were able to continue their careers essentially unaffected.
Of the original four – Kuerten, Norman, Levy and Sargsian – only Sargsian was able to come back and be the same or better after his surgery. He reached a career-high No. 38 in singles in 2004
.
There are plenty of theories about the causes of injuries – with the long and demanding yearly schedule being the most obvious. But that’s unlikely to change and injuries, especially to star players, are going to remain a fact of life in tennis.
The cumulative effect of all his tennis on Murray’s hip, and the fact that Stan Wawrinka is coming back from left knee surgeries in 2017 after a right knee operation 10 years earlier in 2007, are not totally surprising.
As for Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic – Nadal’s right knee has been an ongoing tendinitis issue that he continually has to manage. Probably Djokovic and his team have some kind of explanation for his right elbow problem, something that has been bothering him for close to two years.
It’s noteworthy that a generation with even better care – all the top players have a fitness trainer and a physio available at all times – is still experiencing injury setbacks.
Looking back at previous generations – a fit 39-year-old Jimmy Connors reached the 1991 US Open semifinals but has undergone hip replacement surgeries in later life. His contemporary Bjorn Borg, who basically retired at 25, has remained reasonably fit. Boris Becker has been hobbled by hip issues related to surgeries while his old rival Stefan Edberg has been in much better shape post-career. The same for Pete Sampras compared to Andre Agassi, who has suffered through hip and back woes.
Every generation learns from the previous one. But sadly in tennis it’s just a fact of life that the breaking down of the human body is going to happen to some athletes no matter how hard they work at prevention.
Hurrah - may he be stubborn - and thrane - for many years to come!
Love his thraneness, Love Andy!
I've not come across 'thrane' - does it mean the same as 'thrawn'?
themass15
09-01-2018, 18:25
I've not come across 'thrane' - does it mean the same as 'thrawn'?
Have googled it and I am none the wiser!
Have googled it and I am none the wiser!
Found it ... Thrane ... https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Thran
Okay - more or less the same as 'thrawn' then.
HoopGirl
09-01-2018, 19:24
I've not come across 'thrane' - does it mean the same as 'thrawn'?
Expect there are loads of variations of spelling for this word - it's one of the many words those of us from Northern Ireland share dialect wise with Scots.
It means awkward and stubborn. Is that the same as "Thrawn"?
HoopGirl
09-01-2018, 19:31
Move over Simon Briggs, Neil Harman wins worst take of the day. :facepalm:
https://s13.postimg.org/5vl0bvqs7/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
Still thinks he's a journalist. :rolleyes:
Maybe I'm being thick here but what does Harman mean?
I saw his good wishes to Andy on either Twitter or Instagram - and he's always been very positive about him so maybe it means something else?
I am asuming the new CEO for the LTA has just started. I think he was meant to start in January.
HoopGirl
09-01-2018, 20:01
I am asuming the new CEO for the LTA has just started. I think he was meant to start in January.
Aaah I see!
WimbledonWestie
09-01-2018, 20:15
This is his first week in post! Neil's a big Andy fan and helped write 77.
Aaah I see!
Confirmation in this article https://www.lta.org.uk/news/general-news/2017/june/Scott-Lloyd-appointed-new-chief-executive-of-Lawn-Tennis-Association
Expect there are loads of variations of spelling for this word - it's one of the many words those of us from Northern Ireland share dialect wise with Scots.
It means awkward and stubborn. Is that the same as "Thrawn"?
It seems so.
I'm so pleased that Andy opted for the surgery and it's all done and that he's recovering. I am hoping and praying with everybody else on here that it all goes well and that he makes good progress.
Get well soon Sir Andy! x
tennis890
10-01-2018, 14:31
I was so upset for Andy after his post the other day, and was really worried about what the future held for him. Then after seeing that he had the operation I was over the moon (as am sure we all were!) Great to have some positive news and to see him smiling! Was thinking it might be a year without any tennis from Andy, but now looking forward to hopefully seeing him back on court later this year :)
Andy out and about in Melbourne today.
https://s13.postimg.org/u5qe6a3hj/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
themass15
10-01-2018, 16:19
Have seen things suggesting this post wasn't taken today but maybe last year?
Have seen things suggesting this post wasn't taken today but maybe last year?
I would have thought it highly unlikely that Andy would be out and about in Melbourne today even if it was keyhole surgery he had.
HoopGirl
10-01-2018, 19:25
I would have thought it highly unlikely that Andy would be out and about in Melbourne today even if it was keyhole surgery he had.
Thought I read somewhere Andy saying he's to stay off it for time being.
WimbledonWestie
10-01-2018, 19:30
Deffo don't think he'd be gadding about in the city two days after a hip op!
Deffo don't think he'd be gadding about in the city two days after a hip op!
Believe me they have you up more or less straight away, after my op I was up properly the next day & if upi could walk up a couple of steps, home you go ,so only two days in the hospital,then you can go where you want, obviously you have to take care, the quicker you are on your feet the better, I was shopping three days after op, not on my own may I add, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Andy is up & about
Here is a link posted yesterday on Twitter from 7 News Melbourne with a little clip from Dr John O'Donnell (post op) ....
https://twitter.com/7newsmelbourne/status/950628050047152128
Click the volume!!
RosieBear
10-01-2018, 21:01
Believe me they have you up more or less straight away, after my op I was up properly the next day & if upi could walk up a couple of steps, home you go ,so only two days in the hospital,then you can go where you want, obviously you have to take care, the quicker you are on your feet the better, I was shopping three days after op, not on my own may I add, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Andy is up & about
Plus if Bardot says it's today, it's today. :big grin:
WimbledonWestie
10-01-2018, 21:02
It was more the idea of being out in the public with folk coming up to him all the time ( and wanting pics) that makes me doubt him being out and about- but maybe it's a restaurant near where he's staying.
WimbledonWestie
10-01-2018, 21:07
Plus if Bardot says it's today, it's today. :big grin:
Hee hee. If any one can, Andy can. He's heard Angie's on her way to Melbourne- complete with 'nurse ' on her cv, he needs to be ready to run! :laugh:
Hee hee. If any one can, Andy can. He's heard Angie's on her way to Melbourne- complete with 'nurse ' on her cv, he needs to be ready to run! :laugh:
:laugh::laugh:
Andy did have keyhole surgery not the rip you open, insert industrial retractors and bone chisel away type. :ill: :p ;)
The original source of the picture.
https://s13.postimg.org/9dbey1q93/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
david1610
11-01-2018, 05:02
Looking to the future and Andy's return to tournament play using a protected ranking(PR). A player can apply for a PR if they have not played a tournament for 6 months which will be the case for Andy as it's almost 6 months since Wimbledon. The PR is calculated as an average of his ranking in the first 3 months after he last played so Andy will probably have a ranking of #2 which will gain him entry to all tournaments but this cannot be used for seeding purposes so any tournament he plays, he will be unseeded until his live ranking increases so possibly tough draws ahead. If Andy returns before Wimbledon as he hopes then he will still have a ranking which may gain him entry to tournaments otherwise he can use a PR to gain entry in up to 9 tournaments over a 9 month period. If he returns after Wimbledon, he will have been off tour for 12 months and without a ranking in which case he can use his PR for entry to 12 tournaments over a 12 month period. He can also accept 5 wild card entries in a 12 month period which would not count as PR entries. More than enough opportunities given his plans for a reduced schedule and early tournament success will mean less reliance on entry via a PR.
That pretty much covers what Andy was doing even before considering a reduced schedule - essentially the Masters and Slams, one or two 500s and the odd warm up tournament (one before AO, Queens, etc.). Plus ATP Finals and Davis Cup.
Here is a link posted yesterday on Twitter from 7 News Melbourne with a little clip from Dr John O'Donnell (post op) ....
https://twitter.com/7newsmelbourne/status/950628050047152128
Click the volume!!
So nice to hear the interview with the surgeon and to know that Andy is sounding so positive. Andy has obviously built up a great relationship with him over the issue of his hip and regards Dr O'Donnell as the best in the world.
Thanks for posting it Lynne x:)
Sallydaisy
11-01-2018, 13:57
Andy at the beach ...
:shades:
Nice post by @DelgadoJamie (https://twitter.com/DelgadoJamie) on Instagram - Andy out of hospital!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTPx2HMUMAA3H4G.jpg
Josephine
11-01-2018, 17:16
Is he still paying for all of them to be there - board and lodging?? Lucky guys!! ;)
Good to see Andy though he looks sort of thin.
themass15
11-01-2018, 17:40
I wondered about that when I saw them all.
Is he still paying for all of them to be there - board and lodging?? Lucky guys!! ;)
Good to see Andy though he looks sort of thin.
He can afford it ;)
I thought he looked thin too. Maybe he’ll pay for them all to go to Marbella in 3weeks!!!!
WimbledonWestie
11-01-2018, 18:55
I thought he looked thin too.
Glad it wasn't just me!
WimbledonWestie
11-01-2018, 18:56
Is he still paying for all of them to be there - board and lodging?? Lucky guys!! ;)
.
I suppose it was already booked for the Open anyway ....
RosieBear
11-01-2018, 19:06
Think Andy only looks a bit skinny because of the, shall we say portly, company he's snapped with. He looks fine in the pizzeria pic that several people thought was taken last year, and sure he hasn't lost weight in 24hrs.
aren't Jamie et al on a salary, Andy needs them all the time and he won't want to lay them off in case they get snapped up by a rival.
Andy continues his pasta tour of Melbourne. ;)
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Back in the gym. :thumbup:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTbEU4GW4AAV-n6.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTbJ-QkVoAEjai2.jpg
WimbledonWestie
13-01-2018, 13:49
Oooft! Good on him. I'm wincing just thinking about it.
jackie55
13-01-2018, 14:07
That's our Andy, determined:thumbup:
RosieBear
13-01-2018, 16:29
Ah, heartwarming pics. This time last week saddo hacks were writing his tennis obituary, now look at him. Just admire everything about Andy.:thumbup:
WimbledonWestie
13-01-2018, 17:14
Absolutely
Brilliant ... knew it wouldn't be long!!! :thumbup:
banskogirl
13-01-2018, 18:29
So exciting seeing Andy in these photos! We all know if it possible to get back to his best, then Andy will! :bravo:
This has got to hurt. Video here (https://twitter.com/MattLittleSandC/status/952439230973730816).
https://s10.postimg.org/opnx6w84p/ac1.png (https://postimages.org/)
It is all a bit beyond my comprehension. I know he is fit and I have never been fit, but 7 months after my last hip replacement, I was still reliant on one crutch to walk.
Josephine
14-01-2018, 12:59
He didn't have a hip replacement though as far as I understand. Keyhole surgery though we don't know exactly what for.
RosieBear
14-01-2018, 16:30
Because Andy's getting on a little bit in tennis terms it's easy to start seeing him as more vulnerable than he actually is. In general terms, at 30 Andy is just a babe, a young, vital man whose healing processs are pretty much at the peak of their powers. Now we know surgery was very successful, totally expect a storming return from our tiger-blooded Andy.:superman:
Good grief, at 62, after a total hip replacement, I was striding out round our village a week after the op! I had no pain from the op and putting things right eliminated the excruciating pain I was in before it. I'd imagine that having had keyhole surgery, Andy is able to be even more active than after invasive surgery and if the pre op pain had gone, he's probably on cloud nine.
RosieBear
14-01-2018, 19:58
Good grief, at 62, after a total hip replacement, I was striding out round our village a week after the op! I had no pain from the op and putting things right eliminated the excruciating pain I was in before it. I'd imagine that having had keyhole surgery, Andy is able to be even more active than after invasive surgery and if the pre op pain had gone, he's probably on cloud nine.
Definitely. Plus he no longer has the anxiety that comes with deliberating whether to have surgery. Must have been so draining. He seems both physically and mentally rejuvenated to me. No wonder he can't stop with the gym pics :thumbup:
Good grief, at 62, after a total hip replacement, I was striding out round our village a week after the op! I had no pain from the op and putting things right eliminated the excruciating pain I was in before it. I'd imagine that having had keyhole surgery, Andy is able to be even more active than after invasive surgery and if the pre op pain had gone, he's probably on cloud nine.
I was exactly the same Pat, but some people are not so lucky I am afraid, and as you say getting rid of that pre op pain was absolute bliss, I could of walked miles LOL!
You're quite right Lynne, some are not so lucky but the younger and fitter you are and the more choice of surgeon you have, the better you're likely to recover I'd guess.
You're quite right Lynne, some are not so lucky but the younger and fitter you are and the more choice of surgeon you have, the better you're likely to recover I'd guess.
That's exactly what I thought when I knew Andy had made his choice of surgeon etc & I knew it wouldn't be long before he would be exercising!But I have to say I really do love the way Bardot has described our & others operation, it's class!! ...
Andy did have keyhole surgery not the rip you open, insert industrial retractors and bone chisel away type.:ill::p;) :laugh:
lovetennis
25-03-2018, 15:09
Andy spotted in Nice, at the Mouratoglou Academy hitting some serves with Jamie Delgado https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgt6LLqhSn3/
Moving a little gingerly, but early days
Great to see Andy on court but I wish he wasn't still limping.
lovetennis
25-03-2018, 18:18
Great to see Andy on court but I wish he wasn't still limping.
I detected a very slight hesitation in his gait but he definitely looks more mobile than pre-surgery. At "Andy Live" he was leaning forward a lot as he walked and now he is fully upright. I suppose it is too short a clip to fully judge but hope he will be ok. Good to see him hitting balls again
suttontennis
26-03-2018, 12:34
he's definitely 'favouring' one leg, which is worrying. Perhaps that's what Geri Horner was looking under the bedclothes for in the Michael McIntyre sketch. To check on his hip.
Guess he would not be in Nice if he was in any pain at all, so that must be a good start.
He is obviously very tentative as he needs to build up confidence in his hip on court and having waited this long there is no way that he will have a ranking after Wimbledon.
Time will tell. Will he still be in Nice at the end of the week? Will he look better at the end of the week than at the beginning?
themass15
26-03-2018, 18:01
Wish Andy was walking better; it would make you feel more confident of his return
david1610
04-01-2019, 21:46
Just posting to "bump" this thread up. Is this where we can talk about how Andy is doing between tournaments or is there somewhere better or.... just a suggestion! :)
We usually talk about "between tournament" Andy in the "between tournament" thread :pirate:
http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2254-Between-tournament-discussion-of-Andy
Sorry if this is a dumb question (& I haven't been here much lately) but why can't Andy have a straight-forward hip replacement? Is the nature of his "wear and tear" beyond that? I've been wondering for a long time...
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Sorry if this is a dumb question (& I haven't been here much lately) but why can't Andy have a straight-forward hip replacement? Is the nature of his "wear and tear" beyond that? I've been wondering for a long time...
He could, but brilliant as they are they would not be up to the demands of professional sport. This explains the difference.
https://holycrossleonecenter.com/blog/hip-resurfacing-or-total-hip-replacement-a-candid-discussion/
He is young for a Hip Replacement, but it’s not unheard of. I had mine done at 26. But my expectations were to be able to continue to walk, and have less pain, not spend 5 hours running round a tennis court.
He isn’t going to play Grand Slams, but he could play lower tournaments. I think because of his age, he has much more freedom regarding his schedule.
why and when did the first resurfacing go wrong? (which thread should i posting to?)
WimbledonWestie
20-01-2019, 13:24
The previous op wasn't resurfacing. In relative terms it was a more minor op, clearing out the socket I believe. ( not really up on the technicality of what it was other than something to try alleviate the pain etc. ) Obviously took this as first option in hope it would work . Sadly it hasn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Niall do some art work for Andy's return to the AO saying once more into the breach?
Well a famous quote came to mind today while I was talking to a long time associate when he asked me why I hold Andy in such high esteem.
After telling them stuff about Andy that they knew nothing about, not being big tennis fans. I said there's a famous quote by someone famous that sums Andy up to a T.
AS I didn't want to get it wrong I googled it and said it's by Theodore Roosevelt and read it out loud:
“Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty…
I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life.
I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.”
So Andy if you should come by this at any time remember you are still leading your life. So as it says at the start of this post:
My friend it's:
Once more into the breach.
At the moment it's the decision about your hip, but there's always going to be the next breach for the brave.
I wish you all the best with whatever you do.
Your forever fan.
Andy Murray: Former British number one has resurfacing surgery on hip
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/46916064
Excellent news. I thought that was the route he would go down. I hope he is pain free soon.
goldfish
29-01-2019, 08:41
So happy about that. Whether he comes back and plays or not, I'm just relieved that his life should be so much improved. Good luck with your recovery Andy
RosieBear
29-01-2019, 08:58
Great news. I hope the outcome is all that he wishes for. Get well soon, Andy!
Excellent news! Glad he's had the resurfacing op, and in London too. Wishing him the best of outcomes. (What is the difference between resurfacing and hip replacement?) xx
Brilliant! Get well soon Andy!!
Mandiemoo
29-01-2019, 09:28
Hip, hip HOORAY!
Wishing you a speedy recovery Andy
Cmon Muzz!
Brilliant news, Happy pain free days to come! Get well soon Andy!!!
Excellent news! Glad he's had the resurfacing op, and in London too. Wishing him the best of outcomes. (What is the difference between resurfacing and hip replacement?) xx
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