View Full Version : Andy v Roberto Bautista-Agut, Monday 14th January approx 7am UK time.
david1610
14-01-2019, 18:10
Andy on today's match:
“If today was my last match, look, it was a brilliant way to finish,” Murray said.
“I literally gave everything that I had on the court, fought as best as I could, and performed a lot better than what I should have done without the amount I've been able to practice and train.
“I'd be okay with that being my last match.” https://ausopen.com/articles/match-report/murray-battles-bows-out
A sensational match - four hours of fantastic entertainment - what a legend our man is! Trust Andy not to go out with a whimper. Although it was a loss, I think the match today will make Andy feel much better about himself. He was at rock bottom after his practice match with Djokovic because he didn't feel that he could compete in any way, shape or form. Today will have proved to him that, even in the shape that he is in, he can still be truly competitive against an in-form player at the top of his game. I'm sure that was why he sounded so much more positive in his interview with Petch. I absolutely agree with everything everyone has said about the match ............ RBA - a true gent; the crowd - absolutely sensational; the tributes - gut wrenching. Jamie looked gutted. Judy I thought looked relieved at the end - what mother wouldn't be knowing the pain he is in? If this was to be Andy's last match it was a fitting swan song but who knows where he will go from here? Andy has always surprised us so watch this space!!
I agree with Teresa. I found it hard to come back after a double hip replacement. I remember very clearly the pain in both hips for nearly 5 years as the doctors all said that it was my back. I am able to do a certain amount but nothing like before the problem.
Mandiemoo
14-01-2019, 19:47
Ultimately, It's the hope that kills you but boy oh boy, what a ride it is on the crest of that hope! Being an Andy fan has always been about the journey, I could never feel this way about a player like Federer who seems to cruise through his matches. We dared to dream again with the man who isn't ready to leave the court, dodgy hip or not. The big question is how will he feel tomorrow, that was some workout!
Me too, Rimarli. Five operations on the same hip in seven years before I could walk pain free. I was unlucky but nothing is guaranteed.
lovetennis
14-01-2019, 19:52
I missed it - followed it agonisingly on livescores at work. Just starting to watch the replay, warm-up about to begin. Going to savour every second...
banskogirl
14-01-2019, 19:54
Amazed! What a guy :thanks: for everything Andy!
Raced home from work after hiding from the score and watched the whole thing! Do we think Andy expected to play that well? Perhaps he thought the pain wasn't worth playing with scores like his Nole match but will he think it's worth it to play like today?
What noise when he came on to court and the same for his last service game, that was the most emotional part for me :grouphug:
At the beginning I was emotional because he was sore, then I was emotional thinking of the amazing shots we would miss..........then I was just emotional but in a much better way than I expected!
What a hero, legend is what he is!
I felt he looked totally engaged in the match. I genuinely think he enjoyed it and possibly even surprised himself by the level at which he managed to play.
On an optimistic note I've been totally pain free since my hip replacements. I was in agony before and can relate to the sock and shoe problem Andy has.
Thought A gut was clearly playing to Andy's backhand..... to make him twist? Fair enough but ouch.
Well, what a match that was. I stayed up to watch, got to bed at 7.30 this morning, ha!!ha!! Thank goodness for retirement.
Everyone has already said much of what I was thinking/feeling.
Well done Andy, you are amazing. If that is your last match, what a match!!! True Murray style. Waiting to see what you decide. Hoping you will have the op, to hopefully relieve your everyday pain and live a near normal everyday life.
Who knows, maybe, just maybe, there might be some tennis in there as well. In any event, thanks for giving us the most amazing time on your rollercoaster ride.
Thanks for being you.
Rosalind
14-01-2019, 20:46
Whilst I have no experience of hip ops, I'm guessing Andy would have the best surgeon and the best rehab in the world. I'm not sure if our own ops can be compared completely - I know my own botched shoulder op down the local NHS hospital couldn't anyway ; ) . Fingers, shoulders and hips all crossed for him.
Whilst I have no experience of hip ops, I'm guessing Andy would have the best surgeon and the best rehab in the world. I'm not sure if our own ops can be compared completely - I know my own botched shoulder op down the local NHS hospital couldn't anyway ; ) . Fingers, shoulders and hips all crossed for him.
................ and he is young and fit!
lovetennis
14-01-2019, 21:33
I'm up to the start of the 3rd set on the replay. I understand this is where the magic starts (although actually Andy was pretty super in the first two sets all things considered). Loving the crowd support for him, and that the AO gave then men's games most vocal feminist a female umpire
Sallydaisy
14-01-2019, 22:55
:lol:
Thought @andy_murray (https://twitter.com/andy_murray) was superb in press last night (as well as on court) and my favourite answer was when he was asked if he had been on painkillers in the match. “Yeah, I had two paracetamol”.
@scambers73
WimbledonWestie
14-01-2019, 23:25
Not long finished watching my 'live ' recording. Had no notion i had such a long match to enjoy. A career played out in one match. Oh how I've missed the edge of the seat forgetting to breathe moments. Glad I got one more to savour. But so sad that his hip is preventing him play when he otherwise still has it all.
WimbledonWestie
14-01-2019, 23:29
Amazed! What a guy :thanks: for everything Andy!
Raced home from work after hiding from the score and watched the whole thing! Do we think Andy expected to play that well? Perhaps he thought the pain wasn't worth playing with scores like his Nole match but will he think it's worth it to play like today
At the beginning I was emotional because he was sore, then I was emotional thinking of the amazing shots we would miss..........then I was just emotional but in a much better way than I expected!
What a hero, legend is what he is!
I was very emotional in first 2 sets- as of the purpose of the match was just to see him on court -then got taken back in time to the good old rollercoaster days and all I was doing was urging him to win, for a while all else was forgotten.
How awesome were the crowd. That ovation at 5-1. So emotional. And poor Jamie looked close to tears the whole time.
lovetennis
15-01-2019, 00:47
I've just finished it too. Andy was so wonderful, as were the crowd. I got a bit tearful a few times in the first two sets, just thinking it maybe the last time we see Andy play but in sets 3 & 4 I was so into the match and shouting come on Andy. Even though I knew the result.
The on court interview did me in though, blubbed my way through it. So nice that Mark Petchey was the interviewer and lovely messages from the other players. Jamie and Judy were very emotional. Off to bed now, still a bit tearful but mostly so proud of our man. He is one in a billion
I actually think yesterday brought realisation to Andy of the tennis he still has in him. If he can play like that in those circs what might he be able to do in better circs? He sounded so much more optimistic in the post match interview. Of course adrenalin may have played a part in both the match and the words (not to mention the 2 paracetamol) but never say never.
RosieBear
15-01-2019, 09:52
I agree with the positive comments about Andy's performance yesterday, but feel the bigger issue is his inability to recover. If he had pulled off the W what would he have left for his next match....and he sees no point in just getting through a round or two. However, if he does go for the resurfacing op, intially/primarily for lifestyle purposes, and finds he is pleasantly surprised by the improvement it provides, then imo it's a no-brainer; Andy will be back on court in the future (possibly going for gold in Tokyo with Jamie). Moreover, if he states that he's doing it purely for quality of life, then the pressure is off - his potential return to tennis is just a (massive) bonus. If he goes ahead, he may well get the legendary Derek McMinn, who pioneered Birmingham Hip Resurfacing, to operate and be in the best possible hands.
What's baffling me is the choice he is reportedly facing - the op or chose to play at Wimbledon. Why not play Wimbo and then go for the operation? I must be missing something :confused:
Apparently Andy is going to make is decision re the BHR in the next week or two. Above all, whatever he decides, I wish him health and happiness.
Why not play Wimbo and then go for the operation? I must be missing something
I think from my own experiences, the more damaged the hip is the more difficult the op is to do. I know I left mine until almost too late, (mainly because I didn’t think at 26 they would offer me a hip replacement). My surgeon said another couple of weeks, and he couldn’t have fixed the new hip in place.
AM also got through yesterday on pure adrenaline and xxxx it attitude.
Again from my own experiences of severe and unrelenting pain. It is draining. Towards the end it was also triggering vomiting. Those of us who have been there know just how physically and mentally exhausting it is. I don’t think he will have been thinking clearly for a long time. Severe pain makes you addle witted. For me having to ask for help with shoes and socks was a pain, but nothing out of the ordinary, for a super fit sportsman it must be the height of humiliation.
Basically the decision he is going to have to make is one Last Wimbledon, and that will probably be it, or a final throw of the dice, to see if he can come back to playing in some form, probably doubles and exhibition matches.
Yesterday’s match was as good for a last match as it could probably be. Even if he had won, he certainly wouldn’t have been able to play another match. I don’t think a Wimbledon farewell match could be any better. That pre tournament interview was the blood letting he needed. He finally admitted to himself and the world that things can’t go on as they have been. Something has to be done.
He has said that one of the things that makes him sad is his kids won’t be able to see him play. At some point it’s going to hit him, that that is cobblers. Once he has had surgery, an annual Charity Match, in Glasgow or Queen’s, when we will all be fighting for tickets to see him play the likes of Ferrer, to a packed crowd, will be perfectly possible.
Personally I think he will go for the op.
In reply to why not play Wimbo then have the op, perhaps the man himself explains:
What's your next move, Andy? https://t.co/NFg0PMUh5t
(https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1084935777484763139?s=09
RosieBear
15-01-2019, 12:37
Thanks for the replies, Teresa and Pat :thumbup:
Rosalind
15-01-2019, 12:48
yes, Andy is also just getting older and the newbies are growing up. It's just so sad.
lovetennis
15-01-2019, 13:27
Just cried my eyes out in front of a very understanding S3 class.
So proud :crying:
This reminds me of my daughters response after I finished watching the recording last night. I went downstairs to get a drink and both daughters were still up at 1am (oh the carefree life of 20-something students). I was still in full on blubbing mode after watching Andy's on court interview. Both girls gave me a big hug - they didn't need to ask why I was crying
Also on the Newspaper thread ..... Youtube ..Andy's full post match presser .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvBXtQbENA
I second everything Teresa said. In my case the pain was so bad I couldn't stand, walk, sleep or sit down without pain and no amount of painkillers worked for me.
I second everything Teresa said. In my case the pain was so bad I couldn't stand, walk, sleep or sit down without pain and no amount of painkillers worked for me.
I will totally agree with you both pabbers & Teresa, but since op been great apart from a twinge now & again but nothing that needs pain killers!
JAMES4578
15-01-2019, 15:58
Andy has more or less said that if he had operation after Wimbledon would not comtemplate a comeback, whereas if he had it soon possibility of playing more events (though far from certain would be case and could mean we've seen swansong ). Think he must do whatever is in his best interests and depends whether it is advisable to wait till the summer, even if sure he would have great reception in SW19! I think Murray will undoutably be sad when career finally over, whether that be very soon or otherwise. of course he may play exhibitions in the future but however enjoyable they may be not exactly the same, nothing can recreate the buzz of the professional tour, particularly in dramatic Grand Slam matches though of course they have taken their toll.
Teresa, you have said what I was thinking apart from the experience of the problems, which I don't have thankfully!!! Thanks for your insight. As much as I would love him to have his final match at Wimbledon, I want Andy to stop the suffering as soon as possible.
That 5 setter was a typical Muzza fight. I can't imagine a better match to go out on, except a fully fit Andy winning a tournament. There is no way that will happen this Wimbledon.
Have the surgery now and see what happens. It sounds as though he will be able to have a better quality of life at least.
exislander
15-01-2019, 17:28
From his press conference I hear he has some regrets that at times he may have trained too much or too hard and done what people told him he should rather than what his body may have been telling him. He feels he could have done better. I really hope he will not dwell on such regrets as he did achieve so very much and if that WAS his very last competitive match then I think it could not be bettered. Although he would undoubtedly get a fantastic reception from the crowd if he does play at Wimbledon, it would be a tragedy if that match did not reach the heights of this one which will surely live long in the memories of us all.
banskogirl
15-01-2019, 18:07
From his press conference I hear he has some regrets that at times he may have trained too much or too hard and done what people told him he should rather than what his body may have been telling him. He feels he could have done better.
I'm really surprised at this. I was sure I read years ago that Andy wanted to train more than others thought he should.......just another media puzzle.
RosieBear
15-01-2019, 18:08
Thanks for the insights and links re Andy's choice; I've tried to avoid reports, articles etc as I just felt too sad, so wasn't sure of the situation. Only Andy knows what's right for him, but maybe he'll think yesterday's epic performance is the one to out on, as exislander said it's hard to think there's a better potentially last match to be had anywhere, including Wimbledon. Maybe it frees him up in his mind to go ahead with surgery asap. It's kind of win-win - if the surgery is successful and he's able to play again then great, if not yestday's match will be his last and what an amazing swansong to be remembered by.
From his press conference I hear he has some regrets that at times he may have trained too much or too hard and done what people told him he should rather than what his body may have been telling him. He feels he could have done better. I really hope he will not dwell on such regrets as he did achieve so very much and if that WAS his very last competitive match then I think it could not be bettered. Although he would undoubtedly get a fantastic reception from the crowd if he does play at Wimbledon, it would be a tragedy if that match did not reach the heights of this one which will surely live long in the memories of us all.
That is exactly how I feel too Winnie. Even Andy has said that match would be a good one to go out on. Much as I would dearly love to see him play at Wimbledon, I also feel it could be a let down after AO. He would have had so many months away from the game with no match practice and dear knows who he would be drawn against. Also, I'm sure you all saw how he hirpled out of the post match presser. He could hardly walk. I could have cried for him. It was that moment which made me think he really can't go on like that. He surely can't be expected to suffer that pain for a further 5 months and be unable to do the things that he loves like walking his dogs. We'll find out soon what he has decided, and whatever that is, I am with him.
WimbledonWestie
15-01-2019, 19:03
I'm really surprised at this. I was sure I read years ago that Andy wanted to train more than others thought he should.......just another media puzzle.
Hindsight is all very well but I'd imagine at the time he'd have found it hard to say no given the amount of flak he got in the media, , blaming defeats on being unfit in his earliest career
Mandiemoo
16-01-2019, 09:29
Judy on 5live saying Andy flying home today, was in too much pain yesterday.
Judy on 5live saying Andy flying home today, was in too much pain yesterday.
Not at all surprised. In most ways that match was a completely idiot thing to do. However pure Murray, and what a way to go out.........!!! Hopefully he will be under the knife within a few days.
And so say we all Judy.
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On the other hand would Andy have achieved the heights he has without that training? Was it a price worth paying? Only he knows.
He wouldn't have reached the heights without training hard with the way he plays, I'm sure of that ... BUT and it's a big but ... it's the intensity of the training he was talking about and the fact that his body was telling him to rest but he was being told to keep going, no days off etc. And I am fairly sure I know who that would have been ...
He wouldn't have reached the heights without training hard with the way he plays, I'm sure of that ... BUT and it's a big but ... it's the intensity of the training he was talking about and the fact that his body was telling him to rest but he was being told to keep going, no days off etc. And I am fairly sure I know who that would have been ...
We do indeed, but I am fairly certain that to win one Grandslam would have been worth it, much less two Wimbledon’s. I am so glad he had the second one, because I think he was really able to enjoy that one. The first one was delivering for the nation, the second just for him.
RosieBear
18-01-2019, 21:09
I'm thinking you guys are referring to Lendl? He was certainly tough, but Andy's psyche and approach to training was ingrained much earlier at the Emilio Sanchez Academy where the ethos is literally termed 'suffering'; a willingness to fight harder, train harder, know that you can outlast anyone.
A little snippet from the article:" Players like Ivan Lendl and Jim Courier (who had a Spanish coach for many years, Jose Higueras) who were on the vanguard of the trend toward serious physical conditioning, taught the world about how important getting fit was to high performance on the tennis court, but the Spanish were well on their way towards recognizing this trend at about the same time, and they systematized this philosophy much earlier than other countries did."
https://www.tennisplayer.net/public/classiclessons/chris_lewit/secrets_of_spanish_tennis_suffering/
I've said it before, I so wish Andy had got on a plane to Basel rather than Barcelona when he was 15, because he had the amazing skills and talent to play in a much less attritional way. But hey, what he has achieved is incredible and as Mrs P says, there is simply no knowing what would have happened had Andy made other choices. All we know for sure is playing and training his way made Andy a grand slam and Olympic champ and world no 1 in an era with Novak and Rafa on the other side of the net, it was always going to be physically demanding.:faint:
Good post Rosiebear, and nice to see you posting!!! :thumbup:
I'm thinking you guys are referring to Lendl? He was certainly tough, but Andy's psyche and approach to training was ingrained much earlier at the Emilio Sanchez Academy where the ethos is literally termed 'suffering'; a willingness to fight harder, train harder, know that you can outlast anyone.
A little snippet from the article:" Players like Ivan Lendl and Jim Courier (who had a Spanish coach for many years, Jose Higueras) who were on the vanguard of the trend toward serious physical conditioning, taught the world about how important getting fit was to high performance on the tennis court, but the Spanish were well on their way towards recognizing this trend at about the same time, and they systematized this philosophy much earlier than other countries did."
https://www.tennisplayer.net/public/classiclessons/chris_lewit/secrets_of_spanish_tennis_suffering/
I've said it before, I so wish Andy had got on a plane to Basel rather than Barcelona when he was 15, because he had the amazing skills and talent to play in a much less attritional way. But hey, what he has achieved is incredible and as Mrs P says, there is simply no knowing what would have happened had Andy made other choices. All we know for sure is playing and training his way made Andy a grand slam and Olympic champ and world no 1 in an era with Novak and Rafa on the other side of the net, it was always going to be physically demanding.:faint:
+1 (From personal experience)
I totally agree. In my trade (Floor laying) it is much accepted that generally by the age of 45-50 if your back hasn't given way your knees will have.
Personally in the past I have gone well to far to complete contracts for big companies, My worst week was 140 hours working (out of the house) all over the country, as
far north as Huddersfield and south as Winchester, West to Cheltenham east to Norwich. Lynne and I were cream crackered by the end of it.
This wasn't a one off it was regularly the case in between 90 and 120 hours a week not every week but a lot. We did this for seven years before we said enough is enough.
We changed tack for our health and sanity. We could'ave carried on at that pace but not for much longer.
I'm so glad we did, I believe everything is a compromise and Ya don't get ow't for now't. Also hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Andy making it public that he feels he made some bad decisions not holding back is no surprise to me as his choices also had a lot of other peoples
hopes and aspirations hanging with them/him.(including us)
Also I was nearly 10 years older. With little or no fan base. LOL
Looking back now from my vantage point I made the right decision, I stopped chasing the next £ $ hope or dream and became aware of my achievements
in the process, giving me time to appreciate the fruits of my labour.
The only people who really know are the ones there, in it or taking note at the time.
Luckily for me I only have to keep one fan happy........ Lynne, and that's been hard at times. Heaven only knows what Andy feels like. But then I don't have the
trophy's accolades and adoration he has as I said,, "you don't get ow't for no'wt.
I'm happy on the whole, and hope that Andy is too what ever his choices. If not now then very soon.
We love you Andy.:thanks::flowers:
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