FTM - general discussion

[Hawkeye]

Ftm15
we needed somewhere to discuss ftm issues.
Here it is complete with copied in posts.


are we trying to get the teams back for the us open?


i will set up ftm leaderboard and rules thread new permanent forum or us open.



are we trying to get the teams back for the us open?

i'd like to try and get the teams back on for the us. Tis a big one after all.

We need a name check of who's made it to the new forum and who is mia.


patkatzim are still intact



patkatzim are still intact

so are the rose & crownies :d


i've lost my team! :cry:


aww sorry to hear that vixs :cry: Who were in your team? We might still find them. Or probably there is another team missing a member. There are a couple of people who've posted on mw or bt that they are happy there for the time being.


murray mints was myself, hawkeye and chrismac.

I know hawkeye has made it here but no sighting of chrismac since the switch :(



aww sorry to hear that vixs :cry: Who were in your team? We might still find them. Or probably there is another team missing a member. There are a couple of people who've posted on mw or bt that they are happy there for the time being.

ace and karanga




aww sorry to hear that vixs :cry: Who were in your team? We might still find them. Or probably there is another team missing a member. There are a couple of people who've posted on mw or bt that they are happy there for the time being.

ace and karanga
vix - ace was posting her ftms in the atp bracket notepad and i'm sure speedy must have some contact details for her.


ace is a she? I always thought ace was a he! :lol:



ace is a she? I always thought ace was a he! :lol:

for a long time we thought he ace! Was a she, however ace! Said he was a he recently :lol:


ace! Is definitely a he. I think we always thought he was a he, then someone mistyped she so a whole load of people got the impression he was a she.


if we do go ahead where do we start? New or where we left off? I know speedy has all the ftm teams details from this year so we can start where we left off.

Roasted mar-shallows are intact. Frontrunning tailenders are too.dunno about fan. Maniacs. James is here but what about lankster and murray mania? Mods and rockers should be ok - is ase on here now? Murraymints are good to go too? Oceans 111? Supergran and aya are back on here. Dunno about genbrit though. Late bloomers? Ljs is here but haven't seen diamond gal or ragdoll.


fiona, several of the people you've mentioned have joined here. Have a look at the member list.


thanks linda. I saw rondun and ase. Didn't think of members' list. This is only really my second day on this and i'm still trying to figure it all out.



thanks linda. I saw rondun and ase. Didn't think of members' list. This is only really my second day on this and i'm still trying to figure it all out.

welcome back (i think i'm right in thinking you've been on hols??)!




thanks linda. I saw rondun and ase. Didn't think of members' list. This is only really my second day on this and i'm still trying to figure it all out.

welcome back (i think i'm right in thinking you've been on hols??)!



yes thanks. Hpw was your cruise???





dunno about fan. Maniacs. James is here but what about lankster and murray mania?

don't think murray mania is here yet, lankster joined early on but moved recently and don't think his broadband is set up yet.

murray_mania joined on 21st and has made 18 posts.






dunno about fan. Maniacs. James is here but what about lankster and murray mania?

don't think murray mania is here yet, lankster joined early on but moved recently and don't think his broadband is set up yet.

so does that mean you don't want to do ftm teams until he's sorted? Is he not available on twitter? I saw mm today.


rl: If you planning to do ftm teams before permeant forum is set up let me know so i can send you ftm teams this year. I need to tidy it up a bit before i send it to you.



rl: If you planning to do ftm teams before permeant forum is set up let me know so i can send you ftm teams this year. I need to tidy it up a bit before i send it to you.

please do. I may as well set it up. We can always decide not to do it if too many people are missing.


i will need your email address to send it to you. Will pm you. Can you check your pm today? Cos my internet been so bad last few days, some may noticed i barely been on here lately. Internet was down all day today until now.







dunno about fan. Maniacs. James is here but what about lankster and murray mania?

don't think murray mania is here yet, lankster joined early on but moved recently and don't think his broadband is set up yet.

so does that mean you don't want to do ftm teams until he's sorted? Is he not available on twitter? I saw mm today.

yeah sorry mm is here, just hasn't posted much lately- not sure if he's on twitter actually. As chris has said he can do it and probably mm will likely be here more during the us open should be ok to go ahead if enough of us are here.


if this is going ahead for the us open then you will need to count the 3 murrayteers out, i'm still the only one here. :(



if this is going ahead for the us open then you will need to count the 3 murrayteers out, i'm still the only one here. :(

so sorry. If you don't want us to go ahead it's fine.




if this is going ahead for the us open then you will need to count the 3 murrayteers out, i'm still the only one here. :(

so sorry. If you don't want us to go ahead it's fine.

i do but don't have any teammates. :(


i am around so i would think oceans 111 are good to go. Sg & aya hope i'm not being to presumptive!!!


murray mints are all here and ready to go 8)


had word from sally that ace! Will be emailing his scores in, so vixs, you and ace can still compete.



had word from sally that ace! Will be emailing his scores in, so vixs, you are ace can still compete.
wonder if ace was in touch with vixs though - cos if not he might have predicted but she may have now missed it.
:?:


if i am slow posting or create new ftm threads it will be my internet problems. Saturday i had no internet, sunday most of day on and off, when it on it very slow. Tonight seem be okayish. I hope internet ok rest of week cos of us open!!


hi everyone, just wondering if we should add the second round points from cincy to the leaderboard? (that was the one and only complete round before the forum went belly up.)

i suppose there would be no harm in adding up to the second round and the initial main draw where the deadline was before the forum went splat. But wouldn't that be a hassle?


aussie andy is doing ftm regularly perhaps they could join jls :d in the bloomers ?



aussie andy is doing ftm regularly perhaps they could join jls :d in the bloomers ?

good idea. I'll ask ljs what she thinks.

I'll ask speedy about cincy as well.

[Lizzim]

Are we doing FTM this week as Andy is now playing?

[Sallydaisy]

Yep, will set it up shortly but if you want to post your predictions NOW please go ahead and set up the thread.
I'm just doing the DC list of names so can edit anything on FTM if needed.

[Speedy Hawk]

All doubles on this section will count towards Jamie FTM. If they lose early then doubles FTM carry on in Jamie's section.

[Sallydaisy]

There's a few mins left to post FTM's for Basel Singles and Doubles.
Matches are up on livescore but none have started just yet.

[Speedy Hawk]

Andy singles and Andy/Jamie doubles not up on OOP. Looks like Wednesday?

[RoastLamb]

Shall we include Jamie's dubs results in FTM Teams 2012?

[Sallydaisy]

Shall we include Jamie's dubs results in FTM Teams 2012?

If more people are likely to take part because there's now one combined Murray forum then it has to be worth point scoring surely? Need some more views on this. There'll be time in the 'off season' to sort it out.

[Linda]

Now that all the FTMs are one one site it would be less confusing if they are all included.

[JAMES4578]

Personally I like the idea of singles and doubles being seperate, so that we have two FTM leaderboards, though obviously we have including all of Andy's results. However, I'm happy to go with the consensus.

[RoastLamb]

I guess we could do a poll to find out what people prefer. As Sally says, in the off-season.

[-J-]

they should be seperate , some of us arnt interested in 2nd rate tennis

[patmoren]

I am all for encouraging interest in Doubles. We have far more doubles players in the top 100 than singles!!

[cazza99]

I am also all for encouraging interest in doubles. However, I think I might forget to do FTMs for doubles when there are no singles FTMs to do. So I am in 2 minds about it.

[-J-]

I am all for encouraging interest in Doubles. We have far more doubles players in the top 100 than singles!!we have more women in top 100 to, should we predict that rubbish to:pirate:

[RoastLamb]

As I said, I will do a poll. J, seriously? Doubles is not second-rate. :sad:

[Sallydaisy]

I am all for encouraging interest in Doubles. We have far more doubles players in the top 100 than singles!!
As at today's date we have 7 male players in the top 100 doubles rankings.
Most of them have to slog their way around the ATP250's and Challengers to earn a crust.
I reckon they deserve some recognition!
:thumbup:


I am also all for encouraging interest in doubles. However, I think I might forget to do FTMs for doubles when there are no singles FTMs to do. So I am in 2 minds about it.
You wouldn't forget - we always did reminders for FTM in jm.org and if it counts for team scores I suspect you might get teh occasional jab in the ribs from your teamies.
:big grin:


As I said, I will do a poll. J, seriously? Doubles is not second-rate. :sad:
It sure as heck isn't 2nd rate. Most of the guys have to play far more than the singles players to get decent ranking points.

And, whilst I am sure there are many who won't agree with this, it's my belief that playing doubles helps Andy's game. When he's on the doubles court he parks at the net! When else do we see him do that and win a shedload of points. I am convinced that at this stage of his career (i.e. having got into the top 3) that anything which helps him vary his game is good. Being at the net more and being comfortable volleying and playing attacking tennis (which doubles play almost always demands) cannot be bad for his all round game.

[-J-]

always makes me laff people justifying doubles as a credible career choice, its where those who cant make the grade on their own go
btw i will concede it is good for practicing your skills at the net for the proper game

[Sallydaisy]

always makes me laff people justifying doubles as a credible career choice, its where those who cant make the grade on their own go
Like it or not though it's often how kids get started - by playing with others at a local club and with parents/siblings/friends in doubles matches which are a bit less scary than being out there on your own.
I think you've got me in 'terrier mode' on this ...
:grrr:


btw i will concede it is good for practicing your skills at the net for the proper game
Especially so for someone like Andy who 95% of the time parks on the baseline and doesn't get enough practice at the net.
Which is a shame because he's got such a good eye for the ball, instinct on opponent's tactics and sufficient natural skill to make him a menace when he does go for 'serve-and-volley'.

[JAMES4578]

Completely disagree with J's comments and doubles can be a great spectacle! I accept not everyone is as interested and it may not generate the same publicity but plenty of us want to coment on it as well as the singles game. Agree that doubles is beneficial for Andy's forecourt game, as long as doesn't overplay of course.

[-J-]

Like it or not though it's often how kids get started - by playing with others at a local club and with parents/siblings/friends in doubles matches which are a bit less scary than being out there on your own.
I think you've got me in 'terrier mode' on this ...
:grrr:


like golf most matches in amateur golf are pairs , but it dosnt dimming the point its played by those not good enough to play singles at the top level
and while im here i may as well enough super gran by saying those that can do those that cant teach
goodnight:)

[RoastLamb]

Well, I love doubles. To watch and to play. I agree with Sally and James.

[Genbrit]

I like to watch doubles and I agree that I think it has helped Andy to some degree. Love that he & Jamie get to play and enjoy it so much. However, I don't think I would have time to keep up with FTM for all doubles as well. I am OK with including doubles that Andy is participating in, like we do now, as they are few and far between. I think Andy & Jamie's FTM's should be kept separate, so we have the choice.

[Speedy Hawk]

I agree with Sally, talk and decide during off season. Poll maybe.

I think have Andy and Jamie separate because Jamie play much more often than Andy and I don't want people be put off Andy FTM having to predict all time with no week break in betweens some of tournaments.

[Lizzim]

I think including doubles may be too big a commitment for some (me included) as it will mean FTM most weeks with no break. Having said that I would love for there to be more focus on doubles as it is so much fun :) I for one would love to be as 'second rate' as Colin, Ross or Jamie :)

[Linda]

I love doubles too (as you can see my avatar this week is Colin and Ross :big grin:)

[hfwardhouse]

Ooooooh so it is :swoon:

[DrewZiph]

the ftms must be kept seperate imo. one for andy and one for doubles. having andys doubles matches included in ftm is strenuous enough!

[Hawkeye]

Tell me about it Drew, it's costing me a fortune in text messages!

[-J-]

I think including doubles may be too big a commitment for some (me included) as it will mean FTM most weeks with no break. Having said that I would love for there to be more focus on doubles as it is so much fun :) I for one would love to be as 'second rate' as Colin, Ross or Jamie :)welcome to J's theory of relativity:yikes:

[DrewZiph]

Haha I'm bad enough knowing when andys matches are in some of the smaller events. the doubles i have no hope with!

[RoastLamb]

From reading everyone's responses it would seem most people are in favour of keeping Jamie's dubs (when he plays with another player who's not his brother) separate to Andy's singles and their dubs together.

May I offer another suggestion? When Jamie gets knocked out maybe the FTMing should stop? It's a lot to keep up with when other players are involved.

[Speedy Hawk]

In Andy FTM when Andy and Jamie loses doubles stop for Andy FTM but carry on Jamie FTM like when Andy loses singles still carry on.

[RoastLamb]

I know what it currently is but what I'm asking is maybe we should stop once Jamie gets knocked out. (I'm referring to 2012.)

[Linda]

What will happen with the Basel FTM? Will it be cancelled or will we follow Chiudinelli?

[RoastLamb]

If Andy hasn't started then it's usually cancelled, I think.

[Speedy Hawk]

I know what it currently is but what I'm asking is maybe we should stop once Jamie gets knocked out. (I'm referring to 2012.)

If stop Jamie's FTM when Jamie lost then it gonna be very short FTM. Only 1 prediction and 2 sometimes. If carry on even Jamie lost in Jamie's FTM then it be 3 predictions and overall.

[JAMES4578]

We had a discussion about this on Jm.org at the time Jamie wasn't doing so well and thought it best to continue if Jamie was knocked out early, of course many support Fleming/Hutchins also. Personally I would still be in favour of the same procedure.

[Sallydaisy]

I think FTM for Basle has to be scrapped because neither Andy or Jamie played a match or even started one so we treat it as though they never entered at all. I am fairly certain that has been the case in the past if one or other has had to withdraw because of illness/injury ahead of starting play in a tournament.

When either one of them plays a round (whether losing or not) we've deemed that FTM should continue.

If we need to make rule changes for 2012 I think it's fine to reconsider what we do.

[40-15]

Sally - I always asumed - this was an unwritten rule - when Andy or Jamie don't play in a tournament - then there will be no FTM

regardless of when they decide to take part - or not

[Speedy Hawk]

If Andy or Jamie withdraw before their 1st round match and it be no FTM except Slams. Rule below.


If Andy withdraws from a tournament before he hits a ball in his first scheduled match the FTM Main Draw will be void and no points scored. All 4 Grand Slams will have FTM even if Andy is not playing.

[40-15]

thanks Speedy for clearing that up - cheers!!

[RoastLamb]

So who do we pick in a slam if Andy's not in it? :confused:

[patmoren]

So who do we pick in a slam if Andy's not in it? :confused:
Sounds like it, but a situation which has not happened yet!

[Sallydaisy]

So who do we pick in a slam if Andy's not in it? :confused:

I think the last time Andy didn't play a Slam must be back in 2007 when he hurt his wrist in Hamburg and couldn't play Roland Garros or Wimbledon. Sam might still have a record of what we did but from memory I think we probably decided at the time to follow 1 or 2 players from the top 10 and probably either #1 or #2. Things have moved on so what was decided then, by whoever, no longer need to apply.

Let's hope we don't have a situation for a very long time whereby Andy doesn't feature in a Slam - and if the unthinkable happens that we make a decision then about whether to do FTM and, if so, who we might follow.

[Speedy Hawk]

So who do we pick in a slam if Andy's not in it? :confused:

Pick player replaced Andy to follow, when we reach quarters it be all 4 quarters, all 2 semis and final.

[RoastLamb]

Pick the player who replaces Andy? You mean who takes his seeded spot? Sorry, I'm :confused:

[Sallydaisy]

Pick the player who replaces Andy? You mean who takes his seeded spot? Sorry, I'm :confused:
I think we just picked a player who we liked at the time and I can't even remember who it was.
So, it's something that can be mulled over. From Sam's comments it seems that it's only the slams that we'd consider doing this for (or have in the past) - if we ever need to do it all. Which begs the question - do we need to worry about any kind of contingency plans given it's likely Andy would participate in all the Grand Slams?

[hfwardhouse]

I shouldn't think so.

[RoastLamb]

Well, you never know, he could get injured or something like in Hamburg 4 years ago. I think picking a player we like would be interesting.

[-J-]

Well, you never know, he could get injured or something like in Hamburg 4 years ago. I think picking a player we like would be interesting.dose interesting mean openly hostile ?:pirate:

[RoastLamb]

Huh? No, I meant it. It would be interesting to see who everyone chooses. Would they pick someone they like or someone they think will win. Probably the latter.

[Linda]

I think when it happened before it was decided to follow someone who was likely to reach the latter stages of the tournament - though I can't remember who it was. Maybe Nole?

[Speedy Hawk]

I think when it happened before it was decided to follow someone who was likely to reach the latter stages of the tournament - though I can't remember who it was. Maybe Nole?

I remember we did that once cos Andy lost to unknown player and that unknown player most likely lose next round so we decided pick different player. It only happened once.

[RoastLamb]

Oh so we all have to pick the same player?

[Speedy Hawk]

Oh so we all have to pick the same player?

It was bit long ago, I think it was Nole and he was new so it interesting to follow him and everyone picked same player.

[Linda]

Oh so we all have to pick the same player?

Well, it's the player we follow for FTM - so Speedy puts up their matches and we predict them - it would be chaos if we were all predicting for different matches!

[patmoren]

Are we doing any of the doubles for Paris, can't see any FTMS for it?

[Sallydaisy]

Yep. I'll set it up right now.
FTM for Paris Doubles Main Draw and Andy/Ross; FTD for Jamie/Colin's matches in dubs.
:)

[RoastLamb]

Just want to know as I wasn't online then but is J's FTM for the semis legal? He said he was too late but I'm not sure if the match had started by then? Anyone verify?

[Sallydaisy]

Just want to know as I wasn't online then but is J's FTM for the semis legal? He said he was too late but I'm not sure if the match had started by then? Anyone verify?
It had started and I think Fed was already up a break.
J knew he was too late; I closed the thread a couple of minutes after I spotted his post.

[RoastLamb]

Ok, thanks. Just checking. Sorry J.

[-J-]

np i knew i was late (just wanted to see how many points i through away=3)

[RoastLamb]

Wondering if it's possible to sticky the FTM Teams Leaderboard thread? I had to search for it twice today.

[Speedy Hawk]

Sorry RL! I forgot to sticky FTM Teams!

[Sallydaisy]

Hi all, the FTM's are up now for the OVERALL EVENT and the first 4 Singles matches being played on Sunday and Monday and their relevant deadlines are in the thread titles.

Further FTM threads will be put up as and when the OOP is made available for the remainder of the week.
:thumbup:

[ChrisMac]

Is ftm scores counted for the doubles matches?

[RoastLamb]

Is ftm scores counted for the doubles matches?

FTM is for singles and FTD for doubles and they are separate. FTM Teams comprise only the FTM singles scores.

[ChrisMac]

Thanks for clearing that up for me RL! :thumbup:

[Golden Lady]

So for those of us who had predicted Andy to win the WTF, does that automatically change to his replacement? Tipsy to win :shocked:

[hfwardhouse]

I think that's the theory I'm working on GL :shocked: :rolling: ....

[Golden Lady]

I think that's the theory I'm working on GL :shocked: :rolling: ....

:rolling:Well in that case, go Tipsy! :shocked::shocked:

[Speedy Hawk]

So for those of us who had predicted Andy to win the WTF, does that automatically change to his replacement? Tipsy to win :shocked:

Yep!

[Yorkie]

Oh so close but not good enough for me on the overall prediction - I get 3 of the 4 semi finalists but as I had Ferrer v Tsonga and Andy v Federer I haven't got either match right so I presume I get no points for that. :crying:

[AllyB]

I'm no expert but the thread only asks for 4 semi-finalists Yorkie so even though we have all listed them as A v B and C v D you may be ok.

[Linda]

Yes, I think AllyB is right and you get the points.

[Sallydaisy]

Peeps I'm having serious internet trouble: from 4.30pm each day my connection goes slower than ****.

So, I'm doing the FTM and FTD for tomorrow but cannot get the ATP site to load up to check deadlines.

If I have them wrong can someone just make a post saying what the correct times are please?

First mod to come along can change the deadlines in the thread headers.

Ta!
:thumbup:

[hfwardhouse]

Done :thumbup:

[Speedy Hawk]

FTD all finish now. Linda is Forecast the Match Doubles Champion.

Let see who is FTM Singles Champion after singles final finishes.

[RoastLamb]

Well done to Linda!!! :trophy:

[VamosVixs]

Well done Linda! :trophy:

[DrewZiph]

Do we need to start discussing team line ups for the new season soon 8-)

[JAMES4578]

Ys, I think we do. Some teams may be intact for next season but we need to find out just who is on board.

[RoastLamb]

Yes we do, before Andy's first tournament but I wanted to wait till after Christmas.

So, please let me know if you want to be in a team, if you already have a team or if you need help finding a team.

I know my team is still intact (Roasted Mar-shallows) but don't know about any others as yet.

[hfwardhouse]

I'm hoping the rose n crownies are still intact :)

[VamosVixs]

Since we are a relatively new team, I would like to think The Murray Rockers are good to go for 2012.

[Linda]

I'm hoping the rose n crownies are still intact :)

As far as I know, we're still intact! Unless either you or Sally want to sack me? :hide:

[ljs]

I need a new team :jitterbug:

[JAMES4578]

Chris (Lankster 2003) and myself are interested again. However, not sure about MM, he hasn't been on here for a while. We may need to look for another member.

[patmoren]

I haven't heard that patkatzim is splitting up. I am happy to continue as we are.

[supergran]

I need a new team :jitterbug:You're welcome to take Aya's place in our team. She has dropped out because of pressure of studies.

[Katie]

I haven't heard that patkatzim is splitting up. I am happy to continue as we are.

I'm happy to stay in the team again too. :)

[RoastLamb]

Well so far I have the following:

Roasted Mar-shallows: definite
Rose and Crownies: definite
the champs, Patkatzim: definite
***The Fanatical Maniacs: need a new teamie for James and Lankster.
Maybe ljs can join this team???***

I also have a brand new member. MJAppleby who wants to join a team.

[hfwardhouse]

As far as I know, we're still intact! Unless either you or Sally want to sack me? :hide:

Not a chance - you're too good at predicting ;)

[Lizzim]

I haven't heard that patkatzim is splitting up. I am happy to continue as we are.


I'm happy to stay in the team again too. :)

Just to confirm - I'm in too :)

[Genbrit]

You're welcome to take Aya's place in our team. She has dropped out because of pressure of studies.

Hi LJS - yes, you are more than welcome to join us. :sled:

[-J-]

im in

[lankster2003]

I'll try and remember to post my FTM more this season. Always kept forgetting

[ljs]

thanks SG and genbrit . Ill join you guys or James's team. Doesnt matter to me , just want to have someone else with me.

[supergran]

thanks SG and genbrit . Ill join you guys or James's team. Doesnt matter to me , just want to have someone else with me.Methinks I was first so are you in?:santa smile:

[ljs]

IM IN :cheers:

[supergran]

OK! So Oceans 111 is in : genbrit, supergran, ljs. Thanks.

[JAMES4578]

John Kiernan has agreed to join the Fanatical Maniacs, thanks!

[supergran]

John Kiernan has agreed to join the Fanatical Maniacs, thanks!That's great James....reckon he'll be useful!!

[RoastLamb]

John Kiernan has agreed to join the Fanatical Maniacs, thanks!

:confused: ???

Update on the 2012 teams:

Roasted Mar-shallows: me, SpeedyHawk and GoldenLady
Rose and Crownies" Linda, Sally and Hfwardhouse
The 2011 champs, Patkatzim: Patmoren, Lizzim and Katie
The Fanatical Maniacs: James, Lankster and John Kiernan (what's his username?).
Oceans 111: Genbrit, ljs, and SG

***MJAppleby would like to join a team.***

J is playing but is it in the same team as 2011?

[JAMES4578]

The Fanatical Maniacs: James, Lankster and John Kiernan (what's his username?).

His user name is JohnKeirnan35.

[johnkiernan35]

That's great James....reckon he'll be useful!!
that is a great name :D the Fanatical Maniacs :) Can't wait to get started :)

[johnkiernan35]

I'm so glad I joined this forum :D :) FTM :)

[supergran]

I'm so glad I joined this forum :D :) FTM :) That's nice to know. You will have a great time with some great fans.:sled::santa dance::welcome:

[pabbers]

im in

Are still the front running tailenders or are you looking for a new team? What about Michael? I'll PM him - and you in case you don't come back here in time!

[cazza99]

Since we are a relatively new team, I would like to think The Murray Rockers are good to go for 2012.

I'm ready and rockin' :)

Xe????

[-J-]

Are still the front running tailenders or are you looking for a new team? What about Michael? I'll PM him - and you in case you don't come back here in time!sounds good:yahoo:

[lankster2003]

That's nice to know. You will have a great time with some great fans.:sled::santa dance::welcome:

And some rather strange ones :fingersear:

[lankster2003]

that is a great name :D the Fanatical Maniacs :) Can't wait to get started :)

Good stuff John :cheer:

[RoastLamb]

Update on the 2012 teams:

Roasted Mar-shallows: me, SpeedyHawk and GoldenLady
Rose and Crownies: Linda, Sally and Hfwardhouse
The 2011 champs, Patkatzim: Patmoren, Lizzim and Katie
The Fanatical Maniacs: James, Lankster and johnkiernan35
Oceans 111: Genbrit, ljs, and SG

Frontrunning Tailenders - J and Pabbers have confirmed, waiting on Michael.

MurrayRockers - Vixs and Cazza are in, waiting on Xe.

MurrayMints???

3 Murrayteers???

Late Bloomers are no more.

***MJAppleby would like to join a team.***

[Hawkeye]

I'm in re-signing talks with my fellow Mints.

[ChrisMac]

:) I'm ready to continue with the Murray Mints!

[johnkiernan35]

I have already put all my predictions for Brisbane forward :yahoo:

[Hawkeye]

Drewziph has also agreed a new contract, so the Murray Mints are all systems go.

[MJAppleby]

I'm not in a team yet, but I have made my predictions for Brisbane. Any takers?

[RoastLamb]

Ipdate on 2012 teams:

Confirmed:
Roasted Mar-shallows: me, SpeedyHawk and GoldenLady
Rose and Crownies: Linda, Sally and Hfwardhouse
The 2011 champs, Patkatzim: Patmoren, Lizzim and Katie
The Fanatical Maniacs: James, Lankster and johnkiernan35
Oceans 111: Genbrit, ljs, and SG
MurrayMints: Drewziph, ChrisMac and Hawkeye

Not 100% confirmed:
Frontrunning Tailenders - J and Pabbers have confirmed, waiting on Michael.
MurrayRockers - Vixs and Cazza are in, waiting on Xe.

3 Murrayteers???

Late Bloomers are no more.

***MJAppleby would like to join a team.***

[Lizzim]

Are we sticking with the previous rules for 'Teams' - that doubles only count when Andy is playing?

[xenon21]

Sorry about the late reply! Completely forgot about this! Count me in the murrayrockers with my teamies Vixs and Cazza please :)

[Speedy Hawk]

Are we sticking with the previous rules for 'Teams' - that doubles only count when Andy is playing?

Yep, if Andy in doubles it will count. No Andy in doubles won't count. ALL singles count Andy or not.

[RoastLamb]

Update on 2012 teams:

Confirmed:
Roasted Mar-shallows: me, SpeedyHawk and GoldenLady
Rose and Crownies: Linda, Sally and Hfwardhouse
The 2011 champs, Patkatzim: Patmoren, Lizzim and Katie
The Fanatical Maniacs: James, Lankster and johnkiernan35
Oceans 111: Genbrit, ljs, and SG
MurrayMints: Drewziph, ChrisMac and Hawkeye
Frontrunning Tailenders - J, Pabbers and Michael.
MurrayRockers - Vixs, Cazza and Xenon.

3 Murrayteers???

Late Bloomers are no more.

***MJAppleby would like to join a team.*** ANYONE WANT TO JOIN A NEW TEAM WITH MATT???

[johnkiernan35]

I was just 1 game out from the 1st round dubs match I predicted 6-3 6-2 .. the actual score was 6-2 6-2

[MJAppleby]

Update on 2012 teams:

***MJAppleby would like to join a team.*** ANYONE WANT TO JOIN A NEW TEAM WITH MATT???

I've got canned goods.

[JAMES4578]

I was just 1 game out from the 1st round dubs match I predicted 6-3 6-2 .. the actual score was 6-2 6-2

So close John!

[johnkiernan35]

yay 3 points for my first ever prediction :) its a start

[karanga]

3 Murrayteers???


3 Murrayteers down to 1 so probably no more unless there are 2 looking for a team.???? :santa smile:

[Sallydaisy]

3 Murrayteers down to 1 so probably no more unless there are 2 looking for a team.???? :santa smile:
MJA is looking so that leaves you wanting just 1 more ...

[Mickey]

Not sure what you have to do when you are on a team, and how to join a team.

[Speedy Hawk]

Hey below been edited in FTM Leaderboard and Rules thread 2012. Everyone happy so far? Only 1 team not confirmed yet.


ALL TEAMS BELOW WILL BE EDIT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ALL DETAILS OF WHO IN WHICH TEAM AND UPDATED!
Teams so far
Patkatzim - Patmoren, Katie, Lizzim

The Frontrunning Tailenders - Pabbers, Michael, -J-

Oceans 111 - Supergran, Genbrit, ljs

Murray Mints! - ChrisMac, Drewziph, Hawkeye

Roasted Mar-shallows - Speedy Hawk, Golden Lady, RoastLamb

The Rose and Crownies - Linda, Sallydaisy, hfwardhouse

The 3 Murrayteers - Ace!, karanga, (new person?) - NOT CONFIRMED

MurrayRockers - cazza99, Vixs, Xenon

The Fanatical Maniacs - JAMES4578, lankster2003, johnkiernan35

[Sallydaisy]

Not sure what you have to do when you are on a team, and how to join a team.
You don't have to do anything except keep up the FTM predictions.
All you have to do is put you name up for joining 1 or 2 others to make up a team of 3.
If that's accepted/acceptable to you (you could PM others) all that's left is to choose a new Team Name.
RL will add you to the list and then pick up your scores when you do the FTM's as normal.
:)

Speedy cross posted.

Looks as though Karanga needs 2 people to join her. MJA could be one; perhaps Mickey the other?

[RoastLamb]

As Sally said above: Karanga, you could join up with MJAppleby and Mickey. You should PM each other and see if it's doable then come up with a new name?

[-J-]

there is a once in a life time opportunity to join one of the leading FTM teams with proven championship credentials
to join this team please send a photo and vital statistics no ugs need apply

[AllyB]

there is a once in a life time opportunity to join one of the leading FTM teams with proven championship credentials
to join this team please send a photo and vital statistics no ugs need apply

Drat! I never remember to enter anyway even though i'm on here often enough.

[-J-]

Drat! I never remember to enter anyway even though i'm on here often enough.il remindyou if your interested

[AllyB]

If you can't get anyone else i'll give it a go. Missed the overall and 1st rounds for this already though lol.

[pabbers]

If you can't get anyone else i'll give it a go. Missed the overall and 1st rounds for this already though lol.

So are you in? We don't bite and as J would tell you I don't always remember to do FTM myself.

[RoastLamb]

What happened to Michael, then?

Haven't heard back from Karanga, Mickey and MJA as yet. Holding off on FTM Teams thread until I do.

[-J-]

What happened to Michael, then?

Haven't heard back from Karanga, Mickey and MJA as yet. Holding off on FTM Teams thread until I do.he is taking a sabbatical

[AllyB]

So are you in? We don't bite and as J would tell you I don't always remember to do FTM myself.

If you want me

[-J-]

If you want medone deal then Welcome aboard
we sticking with the name or go with a fresh start ?

[AllyB]

i don't mind sticking with the name. and if Michael ever wants back in i'll step aside

[AllyB]

Although "A Fresh Start" is quite appropriate with Lendl coming on board!

[-J-]

i don't mind sticking with the name. and if Michael ever wants back in i'll step asideock no he is booted ;) its a ruthless world :rolling:
pabbers is on a shoockly peg to :)

[-J-]

Although "A Fresh Start" is quite appropriate with Lendl coming on board!i like that

[RoastLamb]

shoockley peg. :lol:

[pabbers]

ock no he is booted ;) its a ruthless world :rolling:
pabbers is on a shoockly peg to :)

Translation required please! :lol:

[Hawkeye]

shoogly = shaky

[pabbers]

shoogly = shaky

:crying::crying::crying: my teamie's being unkind...................:sofa:

[-J-]

:crying::crying::crying: my teamie's being unkind...................:sofa:oh dear i seen it more as a motivational speech

[-J-]

done deal then Welcome aboard
we sticking with the name or go with a fresh start ?


i don't mind sticking with the name. and if Michael ever wants back in i'll step aside


Although "A Fresh Start" is quite appropriate with Lendl coming on board!any thoughts pabbers?

[pabbers]

any thoughts pabbers?

They're a rather rare event I'm afraid.........however...........:lightbulb:

I quite like the name A Fresh Start. But we'd need to ensure we can carry across our points so far J.

If Michael comes back I think we'd need to ask as a matter of courtesy if he wants to be back in the team.......so thanks for saying you'd step aside AllyB.

[MJAppleby]

Myself, Mickey and karanga are going to be a team. We'll provisionally have the name "The Grand Slams".

[-J-]

myself, mickey and karanga are going to be a team. We'll provisionally have the name "the grand slams".wouldn't the gram sands suit you lightweight better ;)

[MJAppleby]

wouldn't the gram sands suit you lightweight better ;)

I have no idea what that means, so I'll just nod along politely

[-J-]

Think iv been schooled

[RoastLamb]

Myself, Mickey and karanga are going to be a team. We'll provisionally have the name "The Grand Slams".

Brilliant! I will add you to the FTM Teams Brisbane thread. Welcome aboard!!!

[-J-]

did you catch oor name change fiona ?

[RoastLamb]

did you catch oor name change fiona ?

Yes, I already put it on the new FTM thread.

[RoastLamb]

FYI: I may be away for the next few days as we have a new internet provider being set up. I've FTMed my forecasts to my teamies.

[johnkiernan35]

I tried my best :-) 14 points singles.. and for the team .. 28 points.. for Brisbane.. Im not so good at making predictions lol.. It was fun though.. I rather enjoyed it

[hfwardhouse]

Glad you enjoyed it John - it's a very important part of our lives :)

[JAMES4578]

I tried my best :-) 14 points singles.. and for the team .. 28 points.. for Brisbane.. Im not so good at making predictions lol.. It was fun though.. I rather enjoyed it

You done fine John, sometimes it just comes down to a bit of luck!

[RoastLamb]

I tried my best :-) 14 points singles.. and for the team .. 28 points.. for Brisbane.. Im not so good at making predictions lol.. It was fun though.. I rather enjoyed it

You did GREAT! Glad you enjoyed it. :clap:

As Hfwardhouse says, it's a very important part of our lives and somewhat addicting. But don't worry, we're all there to help you if it get's too much. :lol:

[ljs]

Glad you enjoyed it John - it's a very important part of our lives :)

:rolling: sad isnt it

[johnkiernan35]

*correction for the my team points = 45

[hfwardhouse]

:rolling: sad isnt it

sad?! Nah ..... :sofa: :rolling:

[johnkiernan35]

sad?! Nah ..... :sofa: :rolling:
its awesome ;)

[Speedy Hawk]

It brilliant! ;)

[RoastLamb]

Many apologies for all the mistakes I've been making re: FTM Teams. :shamed: I have no excuses but I don't usually double check so from now on I will double check every single round.

[Lizzim]

Many apologies for all the mistakes I've been making re: FTM Teams. :shamed: I have no excuses but I don't usually double check so from now on I will double check every single round.

No need to apologise, you don't have to do it so I'm sure most of us are just grateful that you do :)

[AllyB]

Many apologies for all the mistakes I've been making re: FTM Teams. :shamed: I have no excuses but I don't usually double check so from now on I will double check every single round.

No need for excuses. I didn't mean it as having a go, but we need every point we can get!

[RoastLamb]

Quick question and apologies if this has been explained before but why do we have two threads for the doubles this week? FTD and FTM for Monte Carlo??? I don't recall this happening the last time Jamie and Andy played together (but I could be wrong). My teamie on FTM Teams put her FTM forecast on the FTD thread only so I am wondering if I can still add her score onto FTM Teams - and for any others who made the same mistake?

[Hawkeye]

We did it at Indian Wells too.

FTD is carried over from Jamies forum and scores don't count towards the team scores in FTM.

[cazza99]

And there is also a difference in FTD and FTM, as in FTD there is a main draw and once Jamie/Andy are knocked out the FTDs carry on to the final.

Where with Andy's FTMs, we only FTM his matches and they do not carry on when they are lost. Also there is not a main doubles draw.

edit: maybe we should be emphasizing there are 2 a bit more in the threads.

[RoastLamb]

We did it at Indian Wells too.

FTD is carried over from Jamies forum and scores don't count towards the team scores in FTM.

OK, altho' I don't recall putting two scores before this week. But in this case FTD is the same as FTM (until they lose and it reverts back to FTD) and therefore does count for the team scores so I don't really see why we have to have two threads? I do see Speedy's idea that it's easier for her to compute numbers for the separate comps.

Plus, I need to know if I can add people's scores for FTM Teams if they had just input their FTM in the FTD thread and not both like most of us did. See, it's confusing already!

[Hawkeye]

No, the FTD thread is predicting for FTD only.

Speedy did your predictions for Indian Wells.

[hfwardhouse]

FTD isn't the same as FTM dubs though Fiona cos FTD is for Jamie irrespective of who he's playing with - it's only when he's playing with Andy that we have had two threads - Indian Wells was the first time we'd done that - there is a competition running in Jamie's joint FTD with a running total for the year so that's why we have two threads - we'll only do FTM threads for the matches Andy's involved in when he's playing dubs - and that's the only ones that should count towards FTM Teams. Perhaps we do need to emphasise that if people are participating in the FTM Teams they need to ensure they're posting the doubles predictions in the right thread - that's why Andy's are FTM and Jamie's are FTD ....

[RoastLamb]

You're saying no to what exactly?

[-J-]

OK, altho' I don't recall putting two scores before this week. But in this case FTD is the same as FTM (until they lose and it reverts back to FTD) and therefore does count for the team scores so I don't really see why we have to have two threads? I do see Speedy's idea that it's easier for her to compute numbers for the separate comps.

Plus, I need to know if I can add people's scores for FTM Teams if they had just input their FTM in the FTD thread and not both like most of us did. See, it's confusing already!nothing confusing there if its in FTD it dont count for teams

[RoastLamb]

Jane, I understand that but if they are both playing with each other then surely we should just have one thread instead of two? It can go towards both FTM and FTD then when or if they lose only FTD carries on for Jamie's. My memory must be going because I don't recall doing this before.

[RoastLamb]

nothing confusing there if its in FTD it dont count for teams

I know that, J. But when Andy plays dubs it does count for FTM Teams. Regardless of his partner. That's not my question. Sorry, I guess I'm not articulating properly here.

[RoastLamb]

J, what I meant was: my teamie was confused about her dubs scores. I asked her why she hadn't input her FTM score for the dubs match yesterday and she said she had but in the FTD thread thinking there was only one thread for the dubs. I thought you guys had just duplicated threads (not having seen this before) but it was intentional as it turns out. Anyway, for those people like my teamie who had made the mistake, my original question was: can their score still go towards the team scores? But if not never mind, she knows now there are two threads and knows she has to put two scores in.

[hfwardhouse]

I think it has to be no to the score counting towards the team competition. Sorry.

[RoastLamb]

That's fine. I'm glad there's a warning on there now. But it should have been put at the beginning of the week.

[Speedy Hawk]

Most people do FTM over FTD. It just easier do scoring threads separate so I know who is playing for FTM and who playing for FTD. There less players for FTD.

It just like old Andy forum and old Jamie forum, they got own threads even playing together.

[-J-]

FWIW i always thought the names where to close , i suggested summit like predict the doubles (PTD),
personally, i get yur point, have there not been instances where predictions have been accepted on completely random threads

[RoastLamb]

I understand that, Speedy. I just think it's a little confusing having multiple scoring threads for the same match, being that we're all in one home now, so to speak. But I do see why you need it to be like that.

[RoastLamb]

Oh and I've just realized why I wasn't aware of this during Indian Wells. I was in Bermuda and not paying attention to the internet. Aha!

[hfwardhouse]

Ah ... that'd explain why you didn't notice ;) ... still jealous :grrr:

[RoastLamb]

Just noticed that people are sometimes putting different scores on the dubs threads for FTM and FTD. Wonder why.

[Hawkeye]

Spread betting I suppose, increases the chances of being right on one of them.

[Linda]

Or if they're anything like me they'll have forgotten what they put on one thread before they do the other one!

[Speedy Hawk]

Spread betting I suppose, increases the chances of being right on one of them.

Same for me.

[RoastLamb]

I have another question: For the overall main draw results do I add the FTD main draw predictions to FTM Teams or not (seeing that Jamie played with Andy this week)?

[Sallydaisy]

I have another question: For the overall main draw results do I add the FTD main draw predictions to FTM Teams or not (seeing that Jamie played with Andy this week)?
I don't think so but others might like to go through their memory banks; I'm pretty sure this has never been counted for FTM Teams. Was going to look back through to last year and the temp forum because I thought this had been discussed before; have to go out though for most of the rest of today so no time to look just now.

[Linda]

You regard FTD as though it were on Jamie's site and nothing to do with Andy's. You add in the FTM doubles but not the FTD doubles.

[RoastLamb]

I just checked and there is no FTM Doubles main draw, only FTD. That's why I don't know.

[Linda]

You don't include any FTD predictions, it's a completely separate comp, carried over from Jamie's forum. So you don't include any doubles overall predictions.

[RoastLamb]

Yes, I know that, I guess I'm just wondering why we don't do an overall main draw for the dubs if Andy is playing, regardless of whom his partner is. But in this case, because he's playing with Jamie, I just wasn't sure if we should include it or not.

[Linda]

I think in FTM we've only ever done doubles predictions for any matches that Andy is playing in, and not for other matches so not for overall predictions either.

I wonder, if it's confusing, whether we should stop doing FTM for doubles? So then the teams comp would only consist of the scores for singles predictions.

[hfwardhouse]

The doubles main draw is only ever in FTD. FTM Teams only counts any doubles matches that Andy is playing in - we never include the main draw there.

Hope that helps :)

[Sallydaisy]

Reminder - make sure your teamies know!

For the Olympics Tennis there are 3 events which will score points for FTM Teams:-
- FTM Mens Singles Main Draw
- FTM Mens Singles by round featuring Andy and if he loses whoever beats him
- FTM Mens Doubles by round until Andy/Jamie are knocked out.

Not counting for FTM Teams:-
- FTD Mens Doubles Main Draw

[Linda]

Thanks Sally. I think I've done them all.

[Sallydaisy]

Thanks Sally. I think I've done them all.
There might be another FTD to do ....... we think that when Jamie/Andy play together we've also done an FTD by round for them and then continued it to the end of the event but without scoring.

I think some people were a bit confused at having a duplicate thread tho' to the one already in FTM ...

[RoastLamb]

What do people think about having FTM in mixed doubles? I'm all for it.

[Lizzim]

Why not? Sounds like fun :)

[Sallydaisy]

FTM for the World Tour Finals will be set up late tonight or first thing on Sunday morning.
We're just checking what happened last year and deciding how to proceed for 2012.

[RoastLamb]

Just want to verify that there are 13 points available for the WTF main draw?

[cazza99]

The pooints should be as normal for the usual bit. And I guess there should be 1 point for each player re the total number of round robin matches won.

[RoastLamb]

Sam has no internet connection at the mo so toplist for FTD will have to wait till she's back up.

[Speedy Hawk]

Finally have Internet connection today. Yay! All toplist update.

[Linda]

Thanks Sam :thumbup:

[Sallydaisy]

Just going in search of the doubles draw for IW so we can set up FTM for it ...
Andy and Jamie have teamed up!

[JAMES4578]

I was looking at the rules and it states FTM will take place for the all the Grand Slams even if Andy is not playing. However, I take it that on the occasion we are not doing it. It's probably a bit late to set up an overall one now anyway and we'd need to decide soon if we wanted to predict for someone playing either Monday or Tuesday.

[DaveArneRiise]

If Andy was playing he'd be the number 2 seed right? Therefore may be an idea to do a FTM all of Federer's RG matches, as he'll be the 2nd seed. Just a thought....

[JAMES4578]

If Andy was playing he'd be the number 2 seed right? Therefore may be an idea to do a FTM all of Federer's RG matches, as he'll be the 2nd seed. Just a thought....

The only problem with that is Fed is playing today,so wouldn't give us a great deal of time and not a lot of folk on here at the moment.

[Speedy Hawk]

I will do RG FTM. Let me look OOP and when 1st match for predict. Sorry set up bit late. :(

[DaveArneRiise]

True, could start from his 2nd round match then? Just a thought, if the general consensus is to just give RG a miss in terms of FTM then happy to go with that.

[Speedy Hawk]

Think after Roger finish play. Assume he win then will use him 1st FTM.

[JAMES4578]

True, could start from his 2nd round match then? Just a thought, if the general consensus is to just give RG a miss in terms of FTM then happy to go with that.


Think after Roger finish play. Assume he win then will use him 1st FTM.

Yeah starting with Federer's 2nd round match seems good to me,thanks.

[Elenive]

I was wondering if we would be doing a FTM with RG, very happy that you're going to be setting one of Sam. Shame it is too late for a FTM Overall predictions, I would have gone for the wacky choice of Tsonga vs Nole in the final hehe!

[RoastLamb]

Yuck! can we not start with Rafa's first match. :shamed:

[Linda]

I had suggested we follow Tsonga rather than one of the top 4 seeds.

[RoastLamb]

I don't care who it is as long as it's not Federer. Tsonga sounds good - or Ferrer.

[Elenive]

Following Tsonga is a good idea. I'd be up for that.

[JAMES4578]

I'm not bothered who it is and whilst I would have preferred Tsonga it looks as though the decision's been made.

[DrewZiph]

If you do FTM, might be a good idea to not include it in overall scores, considering tournie has started and some people are likely to think there isn't one now...

[Linda]

Good point.

I think if we are doing predictions for Fed, most of us will be torn between predicting the most likely outcome and predicting what we'd want to happen!

[DrewZiph]

Anyone But Fed 6-0 6-0 6-0 :)

[Elenive]

Anyone But Fed 6-0 6-0 6-0 :)

Haha!

Or to be harsh: Anyone but Fed: 6-0 6-0 6-0 and forever retirement :p

[JAMES4578]

Good point.

I think if we are doing predictions for Fed, most of us will be torn between predicting the most likely outcome and predicting what we'd want to happen!


Haha!

Or to be harsh: Anyone but Fed: 6-0 6-0 6-0 and forever retirement :p

lol, though if you want to do well in FTM you have to use your head most of the time!

[RoastLamb]

Just to let everyone know that I'm on holiday during Rogers Cup. I will be very (physically) close to the tournament tho' but I probably won't be able to do the FTM Teams thread until I come back which is finals Sunday. So if you're wondering where it is now you know.

[Speedy Hawk]

2014, 2015, 2016 lost. This weekend I will see what past results I have save and post on here if I can. I do it this weekend. I will unstick old thread and resticky new thread at weekend. So hopefully it be sort out up to date.

Same with FTD too.

[Speedy Hawk]

I am starting to do some today. I have 2013 to now. Lucky. 2013 already up to date here so no need do anything. I start 2014. You might see some post are duplicate while I post (something this forum glitch) I will edit and rewrite toplist post.

[Speedy Hawk]

2014 and 2015 leaderboard and past results up now. I going to do 2016 now.

Edit: Okay that FTM all done now.

I do FTD next.

Edit 2: I do FTD 2015 and 2016 tomorrow. Done 2013 and 2014 in FTD.

Edit 3: Yay finally done all FTM and FTD.

[RoastLamb]

Oh crap!!! What are we going to do. We've lost all the recent FTM and FTM teams threads???

[Speedy Hawk]

Oh crap!!! What are we going to do. We've lost all the recent FTM and FTM teams threads???

I do have everyone points for every single match every single tournament since 2013. Do you need any tournament points or what you need?

Only thing I don't have is FTM Team results. I don't have past team members but I do have 2016 team members though. It on FTM leaderboard thread first post.

[RoastLamb]

I do have everyone points for every single match every single tournament since 2013. Do you need any tournament points or what you need?

Only thing I don't have is FTM Team results. I don't have past team members but I do have 2016 team members though. It on FTM leaderboard thread first post.

Thanks Speedy. Will work something out. So sad it's all gone tho'.

[RoastLamb]

Speedy will you please take the FTM Teams list with their colour coding out of the first post and put it into a new thread for me and call it FTM Teams: Standings after Wimbledon 2016. Please, I tried to copy and past it but it won't let me in. That way I won't have to start completely from scratch. :thanks:

[Speedy Hawk]

Speedy will you please take the FTM Teams list with their colour coding out of the first post and put it into a new thread for me and call it FTM Teams: Standings after Wimbledon 2016. Please, I tried to copy and past it but it won't let me in. That way I won't have to start completely from scratch. :thanks:

Ok I will do that for you.

[RoastLamb]

:thanks: so much!!!

[cazza99]

To stop duplicates or edit thread, go into "go advanced" and it should work.

What a pain Fiona, losing the team stuff.

[Speedy Hawk]

Important: If any members change username because account got deleted let me know because I won't know and you end up new person on toplist with 0 points start.

[cazza99]

I think all the FTMers stayed the same Speedy.

[Speedy Hawk]

I think all the FTMers stayed the same Speedy.

Good to know thanks. That make lot easier. :)

[Linda]

I don't understand how I've missed some FTM/FTD? I've checked each day that I've done all that are up. Although I was confused yesterday to see RR4 and RR5 when there are only 3 RR rounds. :confused: