View Full Version : WIMBLEDON 2012, FINAL: Andy outplayed as Federer wins Final 4'6, 7'5, 6'3 6'4
8 against non slam winners10 against players outside top 4.
Andy's finals:
Year
Slam
Opponent
Ranking
# slams
2008
US Open
Federer
2
12
2010
Australian
Federer
1
15
2011
Australian
Djokovic
3
1
2012
Wimbledon
Federer
3
16
Maza1987
08-07-2012, 19:47
I'm not going to write too much about the chances he had and should have taken. Just that overall I'm very pleased with his play throughout the tournament, especially as we were all writing how hard his draw was.
Also pleased that a huge audience saw the real Andy and how much it meant to him in the post match speech. Perhaps many who wrongly think he is some angry and surly sportsman will now pause and think......"actually, hang on a minute".
Just wait for the support next year, it will be louder and more pervasive around Britain now.
I was so impressed with the way Andy looked right from the start of the match today. He came over as mature, relaxed and confident, with absolutely no trace of his old 'Kevin the Teenager' persona. I think Lendl can be credited with helping Andy in this way. Also, did you notice the players before they came out on court? Andy had a racquet in his hand and was jumping up and down - exactly what Rafa does. I think he was trying to remind Fed of his one loss in a Wimbly final, and I'm sure Lendl put him up to that too.he also Sat on his seat longer eaving fed waiting for the 1st game
LC the fan
08-07-2012, 19:51
It sticks in my teeth to say it - but Fed was grrreattt today. Andy did everything he could and - until the rain delay - I believed he would make it through but Fed just came out like a steam train.
So, so proud of him, so so sad for him. Wish he could have done the circuit with his plate to take the acknowledgement of the crowd (they normally do) but do understand why he felt he wanted to get off court.
Mum was in tears, Kim was in tears, me - and no doubt most of you - were in tears.
Ah well.....on to the olympics
10 against players outside top 4.
Andy's finals:
Year
Slam
Opponent
Ranking
# slams
2008
US Open
Federer
2
12
2010
Australian
Federer
1
15
2011
Australian
Djokovic
3
1
2012
Wimbledon
Federer
3
16
gutting isnt it
rainy days
08-07-2012, 19:54
I actually heard a lot of people say that they love Andy now and that they had never seen him like that and were very critical of him before etc. So that's quite an achievement. :-)
I just really hoped Federer would lose today. Especially since everyone behaved so unbelievably arrogant before the match...
WimbledonAce
08-07-2012, 19:57
I agree you could see how far he had come today. His start to the match and mental strength was magnificent. After the first set I did start wondering if this could be his first slam title. Unfortunately Federer's level jumped up a few notches and Andy couldn't stay with him. More to come though, he will get there, he has to. Still extremely proud to have a Wimbledon finalist. Amazing achievement, well done Andy.
I agree you could see how far he had come today. His start to the match and mental strength was magnificent. After the first set I did start wondering if this could be his first slam title. Unfortunately Federer's level jumped up a few notches and Andy couldn't stay with him. More to come though, he will get there, he has to. Still extremely proud to have a Wimbledon finalist. Amazing achievement, well done Andy.mid way through second set was sure it was in the bag
mid way through second set was sure it was in the bag
So was I! :crying:
rainy days
08-07-2012, 20:07
It's a shame he didn't get that second set. I think if they had gone to a tie break it would've ended differently. At least it wasn't in 3 sets. Small victories!
david1610
08-07-2012, 20:22
Yes half way through the second I really thought it was going to happen and was a bit surprised when he did not get the second... however, I still believed he was playing so well that he could make and take more chances.
The break and roof closing seemed to enable Federer to have a rethink and serve better and be more aggressive and attack Andy's second serve, at a time when Andy's first serve percentage went down.
Tim Henman in an interview restated his view that when Roger Federer plays at his best, nobody can beat him.
I felt that Andy made Roger play at that level to get those last two sets.
A win would have been...... but Andy today showed the potential to win a GS final.
Oh and this won't win me any friends, but any neutral coming on this site and seeing RF's GS record of 17 slams being pulled apart would have every right to think it was a case of sour grapes. Leave Federer alone - he is what he is (insert personal opinion) and has done what he has done. Andy has repeatedly stated that he is playing in an era with three other great players and he has to accept it as a challenge to get better. Would you like to go on Federer's site and find a post with somebody stating "well, Murray only made the final thanks to Nadal's early loss"? Of course not....
Years ago Brad Gilbert said that when Andy plays Roger the one who serves best tends to win the match.
I think the only thing lacking today was that, especially in the third and fourth sets.
A few more good first serves .....
WimbledonAce
08-07-2012, 20:30
I think anyone would struggle to make a case against Andy having the hardest draw of the top 4 regardless of Rafas early exit.
My first post here, though I was a long-term member of AM.com forums. Just to say I am gutted for Andy but proud also.
In no way did he let the occasion get to him, he played to the best of his ability given the circumstances and was so brave and gracious in defeat. I doubt anyone would have beaten Fed today - look what he did to Novak.....he was on a mission and no one was going to stop him.
It WILL happen for Andy - sometime in the near future I'm sure so keep the faith.
Didn't catch the interv iew at 19.40 or so, so hope the will be showing it on today at Wimbledon
Seriously gutted today, but infinitely better performance than previous finals, and if he plays this well a couple more times he will definitely get one. He was unlucky at the end of the second set, a forehand put away that he missed. After that his serve dropped off a bit but off the ground he was going toe-to-toe, unfortunately Fed found some magic in the second half of the match. I think if Murray had got the second set Fed would not have been able to lift his level.
Where does this leave us? Murray's performance from the QF onwards was a breakthrough for me, he stared his grand slam demons in the face and smashed through them. I've had serious doubts since the Australian about his level and was becoming more pessimistic than ever about his GS prospects, but this performance has been greatly encouraging. Though Murray didn't win some of the big points today, I certainly think this loss was due to Fed playing better rather than Andy losing it - I can't remember the last time I thought that about Andy losing in a slam. I think and hope he has got over the mental barriers and that he has found a style of play that will bring him a slam sooner rather than later.
Finally, just looking at that list of who Fed has beaten in finals is sickening, it really does show how difficult Andy's task has been. It also shows the amazing quality of Nole's wins over the last 18 months.
My first post here, though I was a long-term member of AM.com forums. Just to say I am gutted for Andy but proud also.
In no way did he let the occasion get to him, he played to the best of his ability given the circumstances and was so brave and gracious in defeat. I doubt anyone would have beaten Fed today - look what he did to Novak.....he was on a mission and no one was going to stop him.
It WILL happen for Andy - sometime in the near future I'm sure so keep the faith.
:welcome: to the forum seashore
Years ago Brad Gilbert said that when Andy plays Roger the one who serves best tends to win the match.
I think the only thing lacking today was that, especially in the third and fourth sets.
A few more good first serves .....
I agree but in some cases Andy was landing 1st serves at speeds in excess of 130 mph and yet Fed was still returning with avengeance. There's really not much anyone could do about that.
WimbledonAce
08-07-2012, 20:50
Agree, fed played amazing last 2 sets, no doubt about that.
Thank you - I used to be "reef" on AM.com! Recognise many familiar names (wish I'd kept mine now). Good to be amongst friends again and share the ups and the downs of Andy's journey.
Thank you - I used to be "reef" on AM.com! Recognise many familiar names (wish I'd kept mine now). Good to be amongst friends again and share the ups and the downs of Andy's journey.sure a kindly mod could change it for ya
david1610
08-07-2012, 20:54
I agree but in some cases Andy was landing 1st serves at speeds in excess of 130 mph and yet Fed was still returning with avengeance. There's really not much anyone could do about that.
Don't get me wrong - Roger won it rather than Andy losing it but tennis is a game of percentages and a first serve percentage of 59% rather than 49% would have helped.
BTW I just read on ESPN that Andy won only five points against serve in the third set - shows just how good Federer was serving.
Murray actually won 9/30 return points in third set, Fed won 14/34. Not a great deal in it really, one breaks worth, which is all it takes I guess.
Oops sorry that's the fourth set. Fed was really excellent in third set then!
DaveArneRiise
08-07-2012, 21:00
I firmly believe that we will undoubtedly witness something special in the near future. Was a fabulous effort from Andy today IMO, also considering the adversity he went through at the French, getting this far and matching Fed in the final toe to toe for so long is some effort.
He's a special player and we are a so lucky to have a player like Andy. A player who believe me you only comes around once a lifetime.
I will believe in Andy until the end.
Did us all proud, and our faith and Andy's endeavour and efforts will bear fruits very soon!
MurrayAOne
08-07-2012, 21:04
So proud of you Andy. Will always support and believe in you.
DaveArneRiise
08-07-2012, 21:05
Least we forget Lendl lost his first 4 grand slam finals!
VamosVixs
08-07-2012, 21:08
So so sad for Andy, really wanted him to do it today but he was up against a great champion. All I asked from Andy was to play well and give his best and he did just that, I am so proud of him.
Feeling sad now but will be all the more sweeter when that slam eventually comes. :thumbup:
Oh and let's get that Gold medal now! :swingin:
Guerkins2
08-07-2012, 21:09
Exactly the words I was going to write!
So proud of you Andy. Will always support and believe in you.
rainy days
08-07-2012, 21:13
Least we forget Lendl lost his first 4 grand slam finals!
It's fate!
It's fate!im no friends with fate, she is to fickle
Passionanda
08-07-2012, 21:17
Sorry....I haven't had time to read ALL of what's been written before......I joined a neighbour and friend to watch the match this afternoon.....we both thought that Andy played superbly....the difference for me was the rain delay and, more importantly, the roof going on! It was ALWAYS going to be a huge advantage to Fed to play 'indoors' and this proved to be the case today. Andy must be gutted at losing.....who wouldn't be??!!.....but he should definitely NOT be ashamed of the way he played, he did everything right and if you look at the stats there wasn't a lot in it. Andy HAS to win MANY slams in the future if only to prove to Fed that he is not a 'one hit wonder'!! Come on, Andy I will ALWAYS believe in you!
chandler bing tweeted about andy
matthew perry @MatthewPerry (https://twitter.com/MatthewPerry) And boy oh boy did I just become an Andy Murray fan..
Maza1987
08-07-2012, 21:20
lol. way to go chandler bing.
rainy days
08-07-2012, 21:22
chandler bing tweeted about andy
matthew perry @MatthewPerry (https://twitter.com/MatthewPerry) And boy oh boy did I just become an Andy Murray fan..
OMG!!!!! Chandler is my spirit animal. <3
I'm not really friends with HIM either, but we are in need of a happy ending, so I'm getting desperate.
david1610
08-07-2012, 21:32
chandler bing tweeted about andy
matthew perry @MatthewPerry (https://twitter.com/MatthewPerry) And boy oh boy did I just become an Andy Murray fan..
And, according to Wikipedia, he knows a thing or two about tennis! "While growing up, he took a keen interest in tennis and became a top-ranked junior player."
rainy days
08-07-2012, 21:32
I just asked him, but I doubt he will reply. lol
jamie&andy's fan
08-07-2012, 21:51
I am so sad for Andy.He truely showed just how much he wanted it today ...When he was in tears so was I :( You can do it Andy ...... As I've said before this isn't the end !
RoastLamb
08-07-2012, 21:54
And, according to Wikipedia, he knows a thing or two about tennis! "While growing up, he took a keen interest in tennis and became a top-ranked junior player."
In Canada.
Lord Raven
08-07-2012, 22:01
I have never seen Andy Murray show such emotion and I was always concerned that he bottled his emotions up far too much and I believed this was detrimental to he himself but today he showed himself to be an incredibly humble human being in his speech and I forgive him any ant--english rhetoric in the past.
He was fantastic today and he can only get better.
A star was born today for sure.
david1610
08-07-2012, 22:29
Listening to five live tonight apparently one tabloid has the text "Lost the match but won the nation"
Listening to five live tonight apparently one tabloid has the text "Lost the match but won the nation"http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/how-andy-murray-lostbut-won-the-nations-hearts.1341775322?_=bcc3fe1f6a2e6fe2a7239056287381 69ff3eca81
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/how-andy-murray-lostbut-won-the-nations-hearts.1341775322?_=bcc3fe1f6a2e6fe2a7239056287381 69ff3eca81
I hadn't realised that Joe public percieved Andy so negatively. It's not the first time he's been in tears when Fed's beaten him in a final. I remember him saying last time,
'I can cry like him, but I can't play like him.'
Hopefully the crowd will cheer more for him next time instead of for Fed.
jamie&andy's fan
08-07-2012, 22:38
This is most likely rubbish but wanted to post this. Feeling really sad :(
A Scottish star
We waited and hoped and in the tricky points we copied.
All we could do was sit in a seat.
Praying he wouldn’t face defeat.
He did what many British players haven’t done in years
But alas he could not settle our fears.
He was brave and got off to a good start and in the interview after he showed everyone he has a heart.
Still feeling incredibly sad. Just walked the dogs round the park trying to get rid of some of my despondency. Guess Andy will be doing the same .....
david1610
08-07-2012, 22:52
17:38 into Men's Final Podcast at http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/wimbledon Andy says in response to the question of how big a challenge this is:
"... But I think I'll get there... it is just taking more time than I would have liked but if I keep improving, keep working hard, keep trusting the people around me then I will give myself a good chance but I am playing better this week, these two weeks were a step in the right direction...
If you are feeling sad, try and take comfort from those words!
Me too, gutted. Didn't think I was an Andy fan, but guess I am...
Gutted he lost, gutted he didin't get his serve % higher in teh second set to win it.
^^ Really heartfelt words, jamieandandy's fan. Thanks for sharing :hug:
Still feel like it was a missed opportunity :sad: And yet, when he and Lendl look through the tapes, maybe the match might just provide the key to winning his first Slam. Every cloud has a silver lining. He lives to fight another day.
Don't know about anyone else, but all these hours later my eyes are still burning, my heart aching and my mind racing with thoughts of what if. All of that from a 28 year old man who never shows much emotion and certainly never about sport or anyone involved in a sport. Looks like i have discovered who my sporting hero is after all these years. Win or lose i will always support him.
david1610
08-07-2012, 23:04
Don't know about anyone else, but all these hours later my eyes are still burning, my heart aching and my mind racing with thoughts of what if. All of that from a 28 year old man who never shows much emotion and certainly never about sport or anyone involved in a sport. Looks like i have discovered who my sporting hero is after all these years. Win or lose i will always support him.
Good words!
I would also encourage everybody to find a bit of "fan" space for the cyclist Bradley Wiggins in the next couple of weeks. He could well do something as difficult as winning Wimbledon in the next two weeks.
jamie&andy's fan
09-07-2012, 00:11
^^ Really heartfelt words, jamieandandy's fan. Thanks for sharing :hug:
Still feel like it was a missed opportunity :sad: And yet, when he and Lendl look through the tapes, maybe the match might just provide the key to winning his first Slam. Every cloud has a silver lining. He lives to fight another day.
Thank you Fina ..I too am still sad ! The sadest part to me (apart from Andy losing the match itself) was when he cried and did it again and again. He is not a player who shows a lot so for him to do that made me "break" a little .... He is now on his way though ! He is a finalist atWimbledon now and that is closer then he's ever been ! He needs more time and he does have that - a year !
Sallydaisy
09-07-2012, 00:23
Wet. Muddy. Defeated. Unbowed.
Caught up today in a Wimbledon crowd
of fans galore, and torrential downpours.
Andy Murray made us proud.
We waited and watched from up on the Hill
As Murray and Federer gave us a thrill,
A match of champions, now and to come,
Andy Murray won't rest 'til he's won.
Home to reflect on a fortnight's success,
of challenges faced against the world's best.
Lessons to learn, work to be done,
Andy Murray won't rest 'til he's won.
Champagne has been drunk; for why you might say?
The Champions name isn't Murray today ...
But he gave with his heart, so we can sing loud.
Andy Murray made us proud.
:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:
I was up on Henman Hill today (http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01543/muzz_1543997a.jpg) with another AMFF'er (sorry we missed seeing any other forumites). We sat through 3 hours of waiting and nearly 4hrs of incredible tennis played by
2 of the best players in the world.
Sadly only one of them could win and it wasn't Andy.
We cheered him on, groaned when his first serve went awol and went silent at times when Federer produced shots to which none of the top players would have an answer.
There were so many people up there it was scary. Very few supported Federer; I'd say about 10%. Don't knock them. Wimbledon is an international event drawing in people from all over the world who come to support their favourites and that is their right.
One thing is for sure - no-one doubted how much heart, skill, physical effort and sheer guts went into Andy's performance today or how much he wanted the title.
If that didn't win over the doubters then his emotional speech on-court at the end surely did.
We support a star and he so deserves to win one of these Grand Slam thingys.
:p
Great post Sally - a day to remember.
It was great to see those on the Hill giving their support - and also those watching on the screen on Court 2.
Finding it hard to put it all out of my mind and get to sleep - but your positive post will help!
david1610
09-07-2012, 00:49
We support a star and he so deserves to win one of these Grand Slam thingys.
:p
Thank you Sally! Tomorrow, after resting, worth considering whether the forum is ready to cope with what could be a considerable rise in user numbers.
Thanks for that Sally. Hope you had a good time despite the result.
Absolutely gutted for Andy! He played his heart out and played really very well especially in the first 2 sets. The loss of the 2nd set and the closing of the roof was a killer! I guess we found out just why Federer is so great indoors! He played really well!
Andy's tears were heartbreaking! That coupled with Kim and Judy crying and rest of team Murray including Mr Lendl upset got me in floods of tears! :( I hope the Murray haters watched the speech carefully!
But I am so proud of how Andy played! He played better than he has in previous GS finals. Mentally he started so well too! I have no doubt that Andy will win a GS. One set this time. Hopefully 3 next time! Hopefully not with Federer in such old from and volleying so well on the other side!
So overall feelings, gutted and hope Andy gets over this soon but positive about the future! I think Andy will come back fighting with Mr Lendl's help
#alwaysbelieve
Up early, still very low; can't help thinking what a beautiful day it would have looked if the result had been different even though it's pouring with rain (nothing new there but at least it's matching my mood). So ..... two down, two to go - surely life couldn't be so cruel to leave him with nothing after such an exciting year of tennis events? ..... onwards and upwards!
JAMES4578
09-07-2012, 06:44
Glad you had a great time Sally, even it didn't quite go to plan. We can all be proud of Andy and hopefully he will take that final step in the future. Chrstopher Clarey from the New York Times said on BBC breakfast this morning that he'd be surprised if Andy didn't win a slam and a lot of the players think that. He said Paul Annecone thought 2nd set was more of a turning point than the roof being closed and that Fed played like only he can on grass to turn in in his favour.
I have always said that I think his first Slam will come on the hard courts... and we know that he loves the energy of the US Open, so I would not be afraid to have a flutter on his chances.
The only thing is the Olympics in between this time.
What positives I will take away was the massive, MASSIVE improvement in his mental fortitude.
Ohhh as I type, Barry Flatman (Sunday Times) has just echoed what I said.
And what was interesting in my twitter feed - after Andy went out of the French, a squillion nay-sayers seemed to think that either Andy would ditch Lendl or vice versa.
I think this has the makings of a great partnership and I think that people who think there will be immediate results when someone changes coach need their head read!
In fact I think the coach who's job may well have been on the line would have been Paul Annacone, as Fed hadn't won anything for two and a half years since Annacone joined his team.
Also folks who lament "the era" that Andy has been born into. When he beats any of those guys, he will have damn well EARNED that Slam (unlike Fed's RG "starred" win when Rafa wasn't in the mix!)
I'm surprised that so many people did not realise just what an emotional person Andy is, but then they are clearly not die-hard fans as we are. We've seen it all before, especially at the Braehead Arena, Davis Cup - not to mention the first loss to Fed at GS level.
Still gutted for him of course, but everything about him and his game is heading in the right direction. He always said it might take him longer than most but just looking at the guys who are peaking much older now - David Ferrer being a notable example - he still has plenty of time.
Fed could easily have gone out of the tournament early to Benneteau - but to be fair, he does have this uncanny knack of coming up wth something extra-special just when it's most needed. I wish he had given more credit than he did to Andy though - time and time again we have seen this and yet nobody ever seems to pick up on it - and by nobody, I guess I mean the media. Yes he is a fantastic tennis player but humble, not in my book.
I'm surprised that so many people did not realise just what an emotional person Andy is, but then they are clearly not die-hard fans as we are. We've seen it all before, especially at the Braehead Arena, Davis Cup - not to mention the first loss to Fed at GS level.
Still gutted for him of course, but everything about him and his game is heading in the right direction. He always said it might take him longer than most but just looking at the guys who are peaking much older now - David Ferrer being a notable example - he still has plenty of time.
Fed could easily have gone out of the tournament early to Benneteau - but to be fair, he does have this uncanny knack of coming up wth something extra-special just when it's most needed. I wish he had given more credit than he did to Andy though - time and time again we have seen this and yet nobody ever seems to pick up on it - and by nobody, I guess I mean the media. Yes he is a fantastic tennis player but humble, not in my book.
Well you say that but it was noticeable that a couple of US writers that I respect both chose the eve of the final to RT Fed's digs to Andy.
And also pointed out where he was saying last night about Andy's success in the Asian swing along with his disparaging comments about that swing.
He may be the GOAT and I do think he has raised the bar of men's tennis, but I think people are getting wise to some of his less sportsmanlike behaviour - people ARE calling him out.
I know plenty of people who admire his skill and style of play but cannot stand him as a personality ... So I think there are people who see through that veneer.
I found his remark about Andy winning 'at least one GS' highly patronising - why couldn't he say 'many Grand Slams'? Let's hope it's his last hurrah and he decides to retire at the top.
If I remember correctly he didn't even say "at least" - he said "one GS".........so even less gracious!
I hadn't realised that Joe public percieved Andy so negatively. It's not the first time he's been in tears when Fed's beaten him in a final. I remember him saying last time,
'I can cry like him, but I can't play like him.'
Hopefully the crowd will cheer more for him next time instead of for Fed.
But that was in Australia and many of the seasonal, Wimbly fans won't have seen that - only we die hards. I've already had a couple of friends who don't like Andy say they saw a different side to him yesterday and can now see what I mean - they too were choked. So yes, he lost Wimbly but as a small consolation I feel sure he won the hearts of the nation.
Fed played a blinder - no other way to describe it. If Andy and Lendl together can improve the consistency of Andy's first serve, the consistency of the new deadly forehand and get him to volley more, then the GS is definitely only a matter of time. IMHO it's time to focus on the tennis and let the physical side tick over at the level it's at now (hoping of course that the back's ok).
Bring on the Olympics!
themass15
09-07-2012, 09:30
I was there and knew when the roof was closed that Federer would win. Absolutely gutted for him. I agree with the post above about Federer's comment about him winning a grand slam. Even more off him now.
I was there and knew when the roof was closed that Federer would win. Absolutely gutted for him. I agree with the post above about Federer's comment about him winning a grand slam. Even more off him now.
Was just on Cazza's newspaper thread and note that in his post match interview, Fed seems to have stressed that Andy would win Grand Slams, plural - he obviously realised his faux pas!
Shaun7879
09-07-2012, 10:16
Very well played from Andy, No-one could of beaten Federer on his day like that. Very proud of Murray for making it to the final, everyone seems to be talking about him in work which is a good sign.
Bring on the Olmypics and the US Open!
There are lots of lovely tweets and comments. Too many to post here.
robstewart @robstewart
@andy_murray a total class act the last fortnight, no more so than yesterday. Very proud to work w. him and his team. The big one is coming.
Jonathan Overend @5livetennis
@robstewart couldn't agree more Rob. Total class from @andy_murray throughout
Jon Wertheim @jon_wertheim
Reader Anand Mamidipudi wonders: if Djokovic-Nadal = Djokodal, does Murray-Federer = Murderer?
:rolling:
rainy days
09-07-2012, 10:38
:lol:
Maza1987
09-07-2012, 11:27
16.9m people tuned in at the peak
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a392324/andy-murrays-tearful-wimbledon-final-defeat-serves-up-169m-peak.html
I cannot remember a non-football sporting event achieving viewing figures like this for a long time. I know the '85 snooker final achieved 18.5m.
Soooo gutted, I couldn't even face discussing the match yesterday ..... but my thoughts now:
As many of you know, I was lucky enough to be at the semis with Linda and I am just so happy that I was there to witness Andy reach his first wimbledon final. I totally believed Andy was going to win the final despite being gobsmacked at how well Fed stamped on Djokovic, because Andy also played and particularly served so well against Jo. But it just came down to Fed being too good. Love him or hate him, I don't think anyone can argue that Fed is one phenomenal tennis player! But so is Andy!! He really stepped up this fortnight and he didn't play badly in the final, lets remember that. I honestly don't believe there was a lot else he could have done.
And what is more, Andy is a true sportsman and a wonderful human being. His speech was second to none and I was sobbing!! His time will come - tennis players are having more and more success in their late 20's so the old stats and belief that the first GS needs to be won by a certain age is irrelevant now IMO. Times they are a changing.
I am so proud to call myself a Murray fan. Always believe ......
david1610
09-07-2012, 13:34
Was just on Cazza's newspaper thread and note that in his post match interview, Fed seems to have stressed that Andy would win Grand Slams, plural - he obviously realised his faux pas!
I think this is a very good example of the importance of actually listening to something that is said, rather than just reading it. It all comes down to the intonation on the phrase "at least", coupled with (I am trying to remember) a slight pause/breath from Federer. I also cannot remember if he said "well", because that is another word where the intonation can completely change the meaning.
My understanding in real time is it was not "possibly = 1" but "well >= 1".
Again, don't slate him on this. He was also emotional and even if it were to sound =1 I do not think it was intended like that. He was not speaking in a calm measured way at the end of the final, either!
david1610
09-07-2012, 13:49
If I remember correctly he didn't even say "at least" - he said "one GS".........so even less gracious!
But that was in Australia and many of the seasonal, Wimbly fans won't have seen that - only we die hards. I've already had a couple of friends who don't like Andy say they saw a different side to him yesterday and can now see what I mean - they too were choked. So yes, he lost Wimbly but as a small consolation I feel sure he won the hearts of the nation.
Fed played a blinder - no other way to describe it. If Andy and Lendl together can improve the consistency of Andy's first serve, the consistency of the new deadly forehand and get him to volley more, then the GS is definitely only a matter of time. IMHO it's time to focus on the tennis and let the physical side tick over at the level it's at now (hoping of course that the back's ok).
Bring on the Olympics!
Good analysis! Though as Andy said in his interview yesterday, he takes time to recover from these defeats and I think we have to allow him to "fail badly" in the Olympic Games, if you see what I mean - let's not heap any expectations on him and take anything as a bonus! The USO is another thing...
I agree. I was worried after RG because Andy talked about training harder as a solution. As you say, that is probably maxed out.
It is the reliability of the serve.
I wonder if when he retires we will find out more about problems with the knee, and if the variation in serving is due to physical pain in the knee, or something else. I have noted similar issues with hitting forehands on the run - putting the weight on the leg and all that.
The mental attitude was there yesterday. Federer played a blinder as has been said.
Very close. A slightly more reliable serve with the other changes already in place and away we go!
RoastLamb
09-07-2012, 13:52
Kept waking up during the night with that shock of knowing he lost. Still heartbroken. Anyway, have to keep telling myself that I really thought Andy would be out early because if his bad back and draw and yet he made it to the final. So many positives to come out of this fortnight.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but it seemed to me that Andy's serve went off after that first fall where he fell very heavily on his hip. I wondered if he had jarred his back and it made it difficult for him to push up - after that his serve definitely seemed to have shades of Rome/RG about it that didn't seem to be there at the beginning. I certainly think that Fed snatching that break at the end of the second set after having been under so much pressure on his own serve was the turning point. Had Andy come out after the rain break 2 sets up it may well have been a different story - or maybe not - Fed was certainly a man on a mission yesterday.
I feel even more gutted for Andy today than I did yesterday but then I think I had no real expectations for him coming into Wimbledon this year and if someone had told me he was going to make the final I would have been delighted. In a way I suppose it's better to have been beaten by Fed - who is coming to the end of his career - than either Rafa or Djoko who could be around for a lot longer. I'm certainly glad that he wasn't beaten by someone outside the top 4 like Ferrer, Delpo or Tsonga - that would have been very hard to take.
Another thing that annoys me about Fed is how he usually refers to Andy as 'Murray' whereas he speaks about Rafa as Rafa and Djoko as Novak - very irritating!
I don't know if anyone else noticed but it seemed to me that Andy's serve went off after that first fall where he fell very heavily on his hip. I wondered if he had jarred his back and it made it difficult for him to push up - after that his serve definitely seemed to have shades of Rome/RG about it that didn't seem to be there at the beginning. I certainly think that Fed snatching that break at the end of the second set after having been under so much pressure on his own serve was the turning point. Had Andy come out after the rain break 2 sets up it may well have been a different story - or maybe not - Fed was certainly a man on a mission yesterday.
I feel even more gutted for Andy today than I did yesterday but then I think I had no real expectations for him coming into Wimbledon this year and if someone had told me he was going to make the final I would have been delighted. In a way I suppose it's better to have been beaten by Fed - who is coming to the end of his career - than either Rafa or Djoko who could be around for a lot longer. I'm certainly glad that he wasn't beaten by someone outside the top 4 like Ferrer, Delpo or Tsonga - that would have been very hard to take.
Another thing that annoys me about Fed is how he usually refers to Andy as 'Murray' whereas he speaks about Rafa as Rafa and Djoko as Novak - very irritating!
He irritates me period, I find him so arrogant, don't understand how the media and commentators do not pick on that. I thought I'd feel better today but not at all, still can't get over the loss. It looks like andy was hurting physically after the couple of falls. Never mind Nadal lost his 1st Wimbledon to Arrogant Federer too but he got him the second time, so will Andy.
Kept waking up during the night with that shock of knowing he lost. Still heartbroken. Anyway, have to keep telling myself that I really thought Andy would be out early because if his bad back and draw and yet he made it to the final. So many positives to come out of this fortnight.
so did I RL :( but today the sun is shining and have to put things in perspective I guess .
The @pseudoFed on twitter is lame in comparison to the real thing. When told about the congratulatory tweet from Tiger Woods he said "I didn't need to get it from Twitter, he told me himself". :big grin:
We all know that Fed would have been less than fulsome in his praise of Andy if he'd lost yesterday. In an interview on ABC last night he said of Andy "He won three on the trot in Asia last year--people might not respect that." But then remember what he said in November last year when asked about Andy's Asian success “I’m not taking anything away from what he did but was Asia the strongest this year? I’m not so sure."
The pundits all say you need luck when winning a grand slam and Andy certainly hasn't received any. Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic all faced inexperienced players when winning their first slam and look who Andy has had to play. It is a case of if, buts and onlys and there is little point in looking back but that first round draw against Tsonga in the 2008 AO was a killer....if only....I think Andy would....;)
Much to be happy about and much to look forward to.
I was reading a piece by an astrologer last week that said Fed's stars for yesterday showed a 'golden alignment' which happens very rarely and she felt the title had to be his. Interestingly, she also said that Andy's horoscope has him entering a particularly good period now that will last until the end of 2013 - let's hope that if she was right about Fed, she's right about Andy too!
Was it Boris Becker that said in the pre-match discussions that whoever won the first set would win the match?? And I believed him!
Re Federer, I said to a neighbour this morning that I had always felt that he was a tad smug and she said her husband (to whom only football means anything) had seen him on tv this morning and said he looks a smug git; and I thought it was just my bias!
RoastLamb
09-07-2012, 15:14
He irritates me period, I find him so arrogant, don't understand how the media and commentators do not pick on that. I thought I'd feel better today but not at all, still can't get over the loss. It looks like andy was hurting physically after the couple of falls. Never mind Nadal lost his 1st Wimbledon to Arrogant Federer too but he got him the second time, so will Andy.
Actually he got him the third time. Lost in '06 in four sets, lost in '07 in five sets then finally won in '08. After that loss was hoping never to see Federer in the Wimbly final ever again.
I was reading a piece by an astrologer last week that said Fed's stars for yesterday showed a 'golden alignment' which happens very rarely and she felt the title had to be his. Interestingly, she also said that Andy's horoscope has him entering a particularly good period now that will last until the end of 2013 - let's hope that if she was right about Fed, she's right about Andy too!
That's really cheered me up like nothing else has today - all of a sudden, I believe in astrology! Til the end of 2013 covers another 5 grand slams plus the Olympics - so surely in there somewhere .....! Thank you Alis, you've made an old lady smile with anticipation for the first time today!
Was it Boris Becker that said in the pre-match discussions that whoever won the first set would win the match?? And I believed him!
Re Federer, I said to a neighbour this morning that I had always felt that he was a tad smug and she said her husband (to whom only football means anything) had seen him on tv this morning and said he looks a smug git; and I thought it was just my bias!
I think it was Pat Cash but I may be wrong.
I've never been a believer in astrology, Clancy, but it cheered me up too so I think I'm a convert!
DaveArneRiise
09-07-2012, 15:33
It was actually Rusedski hence why the theory didn't come true.
Another thing that annoys me about Fed is how he usually refers to Andy as 'Murray' whereas he speaks about Rafa as Rafa and Djoko as Novak - very irritating!
I heard that too on today at Wimbly, and did find it quite irritatingly smug.
DaveArneRiise
09-07-2012, 15:38
I don't know if anyone else noticed but it seemed to me that Andy's serve went off after that first fall where he fell very heavily on his hip. I wondered if he had jarred his back and it made it difficult for him to push up - after that his serve definitely seemed to have shades of Rome/RG about it that didn't seem to be there at the beginning. I certainly think that Fed snatching that break at the end of the second set after having been under so much pressure on his own serve was the turning point. Had Andy come out after the rain break 2 sets up it may well have been a different story - or maybe not - Fed was certainly a man on a mission yesterday.
I feel even more gutted for Andy today than I did yesterday but then I think I had no real expectations for him coming into Wimbledon this year and if someone had told me he was going to make the final I would have been delighted. In a way I suppose it's better to have been beaten by Fed - who is coming to the end of his career - than either Rafa or Djoko who could be around for a lot longer. I'm certainly glad that he wasn't beaten by someone outside the top 4 like Ferrer, Delpo or Tsonga - that would have been very hard to take.
Another thing that annoys me about Fed is how he usually refers to Andy as 'Murray' whereas he speaks about Rafa as Rafa and Djoko as Novak - very irritating!
Who cares?
DaveArneRiise
09-07-2012, 15:41
I heard that too on today at Wimbly, and did find it quite irritatingly smug.
What about this interview? (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18764325)
Did you find that smug?
The positive comments about Andy at the end?
Federer can't win with some on here :rolling:
If you get stuck in analysis paralysis about everything he does then sure you could find things to suggest he is arrogant. At the end of the day though if anyone has the right to be arrogant then Federer is one of those people.
jamie&andy's fan
09-07-2012, 15:42
Andy is gracious
enough to be kind abnout Federer I wish more on here would do the same from time to time.
Andy is gracious
enough to be kind abnout Federer I wish more on here would do the same from time to time.mr murray no longer pays for this forum, so why should i listen to him :pirate:
Sorry Folks, my new year's resolution was to try and be more charitable about Fed but I find it impossible. I greatly admire his tennis - there is no doubt he is one of the greatest ever but that still doesn't give him the right to be obnoxious!
Tie-break
09-07-2012, 16:47
Have only now been able to come on and read this thread and am heartened by all the positive messages. Like some others I salute the way Fed played - but only through gritted teeth. My pennyworths -
- I know it means everything to Andy, but would it make any difference to my admiration and support if he wins a slam? Not an iota.
- Boy am I glad that they don't have a roof on any courts in New York.
rainy days
09-07-2012, 18:23
Federer can't win with some on here :rolling:
That's kind of to be expected, considering this forum is dedicated to Andy and Roger hasn't always been particularly nice to him.
Since Hard is Andy's best surface I'm crossing my fingers for the US Open now. I believe he can win his first slam there. :shades:
VamosVixs
09-07-2012, 18:49
Australian Open won by world No1
French Open won by world No2
Wimbledon won by world No3
US Open ??? No4???
Oh I certainly hope so! :):):)
A bit of an odd link to post here but I do a blog on an accountancy website...was primarily linked to my studies (which are now complete). Anyway, my latest update features Andy :)
http://community.cimaglobal.com/blogs/lizzi-martins-blog/andy-murray-wimbledon-finalist-2012-%E2%80%93-what-inspiration
Australian Open won by world No1
French Open won by world No2
Wimbledon won by world No3
US Open ??? No4???
Oh I certainly hope so! :):):)
I like your thought process!!! Would have a nice sort of symmetry to it, wouldn't it?!
david1610
09-07-2012, 19:09
The real point about Federer IMHO is that when he was being interviewed in the last couple of years since losing the no. 1 ranking, he was talking mainly to ....... himself. Bigging himself up to raise his self-confidence.
I love the "analysis paralysis" phrase of Dave... never heard it before.
I am sure Rafa or Nole fans may find Roger somewhat/rather/very smug but I am sure they are more focused on their guy winning another slam. That is my main concern when I see all the posts about that. In terms of Andy getting that first slam victory it is essentially irrelevant or, worse, a distraction.
Work on the serving, dot the i's and cross the t's, that is what will get the slam! Once Andy has started winning slams, will we care as much about Federer being smug? I doubt it. So why do we care now.....
The real point about Federer IMHO is that when he was being interviewed in the last couple of years since losing the no. 1 ranking, he was talking mainly to ....... himself. Bigging himself up to raise his self-confidence.
I love the "analysis paralysis" phrase of Dave... never heard it before.
I am sure Rafa or Nole fans may find Roger somewhat/rather/very smug but I am sure they are more focused on their guy winning another slam. That is my main concern when I see all the posts about that. In terms of Andy getting that first slam victory it is essentially irrelevant or, worse, a distraction.
Work on the serving, dot the i's and cross the t's, that is what will get the slam! Once Andy has started winning slams, will we care as much about Federer being smug? I doubt it. So why do we care now.....sorry but not the rafa fans i know, they are far more unkind to fed than we are (possibly as they see fed as the biggest obstacle blocking their man becoming the goat) if you read any of the pretend fed tweets/blogs its fairly obvious its written by a rafa fan
david1610
09-07-2012, 20:04
sorry but not the rafa fans i know, they are far more unkind to fed than we are (possibly as they see fed as the biggest obstacle blocking their man becoming the goat) if you read any of the pretend fed tweets/blogs its fairly obvious its written by a rafa fan
Fair enough. But then surely it is a case of two wrongs not making a right. Criticize Fed for a bit of catharsis, but otherwise not very relevant to Andy's progress really.
Fair enough. But then surely it is a case of two wrongs not making a right. Criticize Fed for a bit of catharsis, but otherwise not very relevant to Andy's progress really.no i agree with you there, but it dos help pass the time while we wait :pirate:
theinfidel
09-07-2012, 20:39
Hi all
As a Swiss and a big time Federer Fan I want to add some of my thoughts:
First of all, I didn't ever like Andy Murray, until his post match interview yesterday.
I really felt for him an I found his speech amazing and hard to watch, I was gutted too.
I would have really liked for him to win this time around. He lost like a true sportsman,
much more graceful then Federer at times, I have to admit.
Second, I don't think Federer is smug or anything like that at all,
but I totally get that die hard murray fans would interpret him that way.
But I assure you he's not, I heard many interviews in Swiss German, his
native language and he was full or praise for Andy before and after the finals.
And I'm sure he misspoke when he talked about one grand slam in the post match interview.
Lastly please stop the Federer bashing, he and his fans want him to win as much as you
want Andy to win, but this is just sports after all, we fans should take the players as example
in loosing gracefully.
Hope Andy can perform as well in the upcoming Olympics!
PS: Nole, he Sucks! ;)
PPS: Yeah I know, I would've totally contradicted my whole post with that PS, had I meant it seriously ;)
Sallydaisy
09-07-2012, 21:19
Welcome to the forum TheInfidel.
:welcome:
Your post makes some good points and very well expressed.
We're sure you'll appreciate that since this forum focusses on Andy Murray that we are likely to be protective of him especially when he loses. Just as we know Roger's forums do the same for him ... and Rafa and Nole fans are likely to do the same for them.
It's all about supporting the sportsmen we like and respecting others right to do that without being bashed too much for it. We don't object to people expressing their views - but a bit of humour helps!
;)
:welcome: to the forum theinfidel
The real point about Federer IMHO is that when he was being interviewed in the last couple of years since losing the no. 1 ranking, he was talking mainly to ....... himself. Bigging himself up to raise his self-confidence.
I love the "analysis paralysis" phrase of Dave... never heard it before.
I am sure Rafa or Nole fans may find Roger somewhat/rather/very smug but I am sure they are more focused on their guy winning another slam. That is my main concern when I see all the posts about that. In terms of Andy getting that first slam victory it is essentially irrelevant or, worse, a distraction.
Work on the serving, dot the i's and cross the t's, that is what will get the slam! Once Andy has started winning slams, will we care as much about Federer being smug? I doubt it. So why do we care now.....
Our criticism of Fed's arrogance is actually nothing to do with Andy's progress. It is just that - our criticism of Fed's arrogance. I can't see how it is possibly a distraction to or from anything that Andy is doing. I'm pretty sure Andy couldn't care a toss about anything that Fed says!
david1610
09-07-2012, 23:13
Our criticism of Fed's arrogance is actually nothing to do with Andy's progress. It is just that - our criticism of Fed's arrogance. I can't see how it is possibly a distraction to or from anything that Andy is doing. I'm pretty sure Andy couldn't care a toss about anything that Fed says!
So if it has nothing really to do with Andy's tennis progress, perhaps all the comments on "Federer is smug" could go into a special thread discussing his arrogance. Then those who wish to read and comment on it can do so, and those who do not, do not have to.
Hi all
As a Swiss and a big time Federer Fan I want to add some of my thoughts:
hes back oot in front
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Madeline
10-07-2012, 09:50
Andy really has won a lot of new admirers. I went to my usual Monday evening Chorus practice last night - needless to say, they all know I'm an Andy fan! - and was amazed how many came up to me with positive comments, even a die-hard Federer fan. Out of the thirty-odd ladies there last night, there must have been more than twenty who came up to me and said such things as that they didn't realise he could be so likeable, didn't realise he could play so well, really thought he had matured in his behaviour.
I'm sure Andy would rather have won the tournament than won people over, but hey it's better than nothing!
And after the scenes on tv this last fortnight, I do hope we can bury this "Andy doesn't get enough support at Wimbledon" moan. He has always had support, the crowd is international, you can't (or shouldn't) expect 100% support. But on Sunday especially, the crowd was very definitely pro-Andy, without actually being anti-Federer.
Niknak's Mum
10-07-2012, 09:57
Well I am completely out of the previous discussion having been away from the computer since Saturday evening .... sadly a serious slip on the patio left me unable to walk and I had to be scooped up by friends ...... it's amazing what lengths I will go to in order to be able to lie on a sofa and watch Andy in his first Wimbledon final and be waited on hand and foot!!!
:laugh:
Just wanted to say I was there and sorry not to share in all the discussions before and after .... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen???
Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
traveller7
10-07-2012, 13:24
We all knew he was likeable and had emotion as we are true fans - just saying
I still think its a dream he was actually in the final and held up the silver runner up trophy! Still so proud.
.... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen??? Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
Not true! I'm a nurse and there are actually very few drugs which you can't drink alcohol (in moderation!) with .... so you'll know for next time!!
RoastLamb
10-07-2012, 14:03
Andy really has won a lot of new admirers. I went to my usual Monday evening Chorus practice last night - needless to say, they all know I'm an Andy fan! - and was amazed how many came up to me with positive comments, even a die-hard Federer fan. Out of the thirty-odd ladies there last night, there must have been more than twenty who came up to me and said such things as that they didn't realise he could be so likeable, didn't realise he could play so well, really thought he had matured in his behaviour.
Yesterday, Andy's emotional speech was shown on American tv's The View. Whoopi Goldberg, who must be a tennis fan, raved about him and about the pressures faced by this "25 year old young man" as she put it. She finished by saying she knows one day he will win Wimbledon. It was nice.
Madeline
10-07-2012, 14:45
We all knew he was likeable and had emotion as we are true fans - just saying
Yes, but people who have only seen him occasionally didn't. Especially if they had only seen him in one of his bad moods. Those of us who have followed him since he was a skinny, gangly junior have been able to understand whereas the very casual tennis fans wouldn't.
Niknak's Mum
10-07-2012, 17:52
Not true! I'm a nurse and there are actually very few drugs which you can't drink alcohol (in moderation!) with .... so you'll know for next time!!
I wish I'd known that on Sunday!!!:wino:
Sallydaisy
10-07-2012, 18:07
Well I am completely out of the previous discussion having been away from the computer since Saturday evening .... sadly a serious slip on the patio left me unable to walk and I had to be scooped up by friends ...... it's amazing what lengths I will go to in order to be able to lie on a sofa and watch Andy in his first Wimbledon final and be waited on hand and foot!!!
:laugh:
Just wanted to say I was there and sorry not to share in all the discussions before and after .... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen???
Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
Oh dear, sorry to hear you're all crocked up!
I was on the Hill - need to blog about it 'cos it was amazing but so sad too.
Get well soon, hope Nik is OK?
hfwardhouse
10-07-2012, 18:18
Well I am completely out of the previous discussion having been away from the computer since Saturday evening .... sadly a serious slip on the patio left me unable to walk and I had to be scooped up by friends ...... it's amazing what lengths I will go to in order to be able to lie on a sofa and watch Andy in his first Wimbledon final and be waited on hand and foot!!!
:laugh:
Just wanted to say I was there and sorry not to share in all the discussions before and after .... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen???
Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
Oh no you poor thing :grouphug: I can identify with the being laid up on the sofa being waited on hand and foot - but at least my injury was long enough ago (3 weeks) that I was off the painkillers and Pimms was very much a part of watching the final ... :) Hope you're better soon!
Yesterday, Andy's emotional speech was shown on American tv's The View. Whoopi Goldberg, who must be a tennis fan, raved about him and about the pressures faced by this "25 year old young man" as she put it. She finished by saying she knows one day he will win Wimbledon. It was nice.
I dont normally watch that , but wish I had seen it .
JAMES4578
10-07-2012, 18:39
Well I am completely out of the previous discussion having been away from the computer since Saturday evening .... sadly a serious slip on the patio left me unable to walk and I had to be scooped up by friends ...... it's amazing what lengths I will go to in order to be able to lie on a sofa and watch Andy in his first Wimbledon final and be waited on hand and foot!!!
:laugh:
Just wanted to say I was there and sorry not to share in all the discussions before and after .... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen???
Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
Very sorry to heat that Niknak's Mum, hope you are a bit better now!
Sallydaisy
10-07-2012, 19:06
spoof roof:
Wimbledon Roof @WimbledonRoof (https://twitter.com/WimbledonRoof) I can protect people from the rain, but this flood of tears is beyond my control. Don't worry, I'm not going to start... #emotionalroof (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23emotionalroof)
Niknak's Mum
10-07-2012, 20:07
Oh dear, sorry to hear you're all crocked up!
I was on the Hill - need to blog about it 'cos it was amazing but so sad too.
Get well soon, hope Nik is OK?
I'm rapidly improving thanks Sally. Nick is fine, enjoying his tennis and playing his first match for the local men's team on Thurs. ..... yes, he's taller than me now! We were on Court 2 for that epic Cilic/Querrey match on middle Saturday!
I bet it was amazing on the Hill on Sunday. You could see how moved people in the Centre Court crowd were at the end .... grown men crying. It was a great match though and a sign of greater things to come I feel. :)
supergran
10-07-2012, 21:05
Sorry about your accident Niknak's Mum. Hope you are fully recovered soon. I went to Wimbledon but thanks to Suzi I had a No 1 ticket so didn't have to queue. Obviously I hadn't made a complete recovery from the bug I'd had earlier in the week so have been in bed for a day and a half. Watched on Murray Mount and it was such a wonderful but emotional experience.
I've just read Andy's pre and post match blogs on the Beeb website, and definately feel tearful again.
I only hope that he can someday realise, his and our dreams. :wimbrolly:
Prematch http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18755705
Postmatch http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/18766101
NikNak's Mum - sorry to hear of your injury, hope you are getting better now :grouphug:
So if it has nothing really to do with Andy's tennis progress, perhaps all the comments on "Federer is smug" could go into a special thread discussing his arrogance. Then those who wish to read and comment on it can do so, and those who do not, do not have to.
I suggested this very same thing a couple of years ago but was told that it wasn't appropriate. At around the same time, a similar thing was happening on VB with a lot of people discussing Fed's arrogance and others sticking up for him. So I suggested such a thread on there and it was immediately set up. I think it is now one of the most popular threads on there!
:grouphug: I am so sorry to hear that! Hope you feel better soon! I guess the Andy loss didn't really help!
Well I am completely out of the previous discussion having been away from the computer since Saturday evening .... sadly a serious slip on the patio left me unable to walk and I had to be scooped up by friends ...... it's amazing what lengths I will go to in order to be able to lie on a sofa and watch Andy in his first Wimbledon final and be waited on hand and foot!!!
:laugh:
Just wanted to say I was there and sorry not to share in all the discussions before and after .... can you imagine how much I cried whilst dosed up on paracetemol, codeine and ibuprofen???
Unfortunately no Pimms was allowed! :wimbrolly:
Wow, he made the Wimbledon Final, isn't that fantastic?!
I've been in Spain for the last 8 days, so I was only able to see bits and pieces of this incredible run (typical), but I saw most of the Semi and the Final and a smattering of the other matches in the second week. I think it was probably his most consistently tough draw through a slam he's ever had, every player would be as hard as nails to beat on there day. Beating his two nearest rivals below him rankings back to back, both in four sets, shows he definitely deserves to be considered as being part of the 'Big 4'.
At a set up and opportunities to break, I thought he was going to cruise to the win, I honestly did, but not for too long. Federer played one of his finest ever matches, in the last few years at slams, he's showed his weaknesses and come unstuck often with a handful of errors. But this time round, he came from almost two sets down to not making an error for what felt like two hours of the most faultless tennis. You might be irked by him often, like myself, but you can't deny what a tennis great he is.
Even if Andy had won on Sunday, there would still have been work to do with Lendl, this project is by no means finished. I think Lendl has found another gear in performance and temperament in Andy, and had it not been for a few niggles here there physically this year, could he have two slams in his pocket this year already? I don't know how you all feel (I can't read through 130+ pages) but I felt the drop in his first serve in the second half of the final was definitely back related.
Finally, he seems to have won even more fans, and even though his speech was painful to watch, it was important that people got to see that. This is most certainly a topsy turvy season, but everything now feels like its pointing in the right direction now for the rest of the year, body permitting.
Aussie Andy
11-07-2012, 10:29
Hi everyone!
I'm really disappointed. I was hoping not to jinx Andy or anything, that's why I haven't logged in on the forum since Rome (been a very frequent visitor though, maybe that did it. :sad: )
I was so ecstatic when he got to the final, and I was utterly convinced that with the home crowd support and all, he'd win. And he took the first set!
I was so depressed the next day (and tired, the final finished at 1:30 AM, and I was working both days that weekend, and then Monday) that I confess I began to think he'd never win one. I heartily repent.
Andy, I confess I'm a more cautious fan than before, but you're the only tennis player I care about, and I'm a loyal supporter all the way. Even if (God forbid) you never do win a Slam, to me you are the greatest. Credit to other tennis players, and right now to Federer, but I ain't a fan of theirs, and I don't follow them throughout the tennis year. I'd rather ride the Murraycoaster anytime.
:coaster:
Andy, enjoy your break, you've earned it.:surfing: And congratulations on making the final.:cheers:
Niknak's Mum
11-07-2012, 11:58
Thank you all for your good wishes, I am improving fast but don't think I'll be back on the tennis court for a while yet! I didn't mean to hijack this thread with my woes, but just wanted to let you all know why I hadn't been on here over such a momentous weekend. :)
Sallydaisy
11-07-2012, 12:36
Me too, gutted. Didn't think I was an Andy fan, but guess I am...
Gutted he lost, gutted he didin't get his serve % higher in teh second set to win it.
Glad to read that - considering it was your 246th post on the Andy Murray Fan Forum.
:lol:
Was travelling through Normandy listening to a rather spasmodic Radio5Live on Sunday afternoon but managed to get in front of a tv for the presentation and Andy's speech - and a jolly good cry. Totally totally gutted for Andy but still so in awe of him and what he has achieved. We have a sportsman to be so proud of.
Don't forget to watch Mock The Week on BBC2 Thursday at 10 pm. Don't know whether we'll actually see Andy, who was with Kim in th audience.
Glad to read that - considering it was your 246th post on the Andy Murray Fan Forum.
:lol:
Well I think I was, then have gone off him more recently as he was losing matches from winning positions especially against the top three, then turning round and blaming his box.
Lendl's seems to have done him good. :)
rainy days
11-07-2012, 18:58
So you only support him when he's successful?
jamie&andy's fan
11-07-2012, 19:36
I think that is not the sign of a true fan..fans doubt at times yes but we still clap win or lose ! I love you whatever Andy ...
supergran
11-07-2012, 21:17
Well I think I was, then have gone off him more recently as he was losing matches from winning positions especially against the top three, then turning round and blaming his box.
Lendl's seems to have done him good. :)Don't think Andy ever blamed his box....He shouted his frustration at himself towards them as they are his friends and supporters. Andy only ever blamed himself.
Agree totally SG - Andy never blamed anyone in his box - his rants have always been directed against himself. It annoys me greatly to hear some of the pundits propounding the myth that Andy sacked his coach during a match - what a lot of errant nonsense! Unfortunately, many people who only watch tennis during Wimbledon hang on their every word.
Sallydaisy
11-07-2012, 21:44
It annoys me greatly to hear some of the pundits propounding the myth that Andy sacked his coach during a match - what a lot of errant nonsense!
Alis - where on earth did that come from??? I don't remember hearing a pundit say it.
:confused:
supergran
11-07-2012, 21:48
My post was edited....Why?
Sallydaisy
11-07-2012, 21:51
My post was edited....Why?
I have sent you a PM Supergran.
Passionanda
11-07-2012, 22:01
I will ALWAYS support Andy......through thick and thin!!
rainy days
11-07-2012, 22:54
^ Me too. :)
jeannie13
11-07-2012, 23:21
To me , if you are a fan your support should be through the highs & the lows, Irrespective of whether he wins a slam or not. He will!!!!!!
:trophy:
:coaster:
It's a shame if some people appear to be fair weather fans. I also feel that when Andy used to get frustrated--it was at himself.
I'll support him through" thick & thin" (Makes me think of posh &becks):laugh:
traveller7
12-07-2012, 00:58
If your a fan then you love them/support them no matter what happens irrespective of wins or not.
Will always support him and as Andy is a football fan, this is how it goes "We'll support you evermore" :)
To me , if you are a fan your support should be through the highs & the lows, Irrespective of whether he wins a slam or not. He will!!!!!!
:trophy:
:coaster:
It's a shame if some people appear to be fair weather fans. I also feel that when Andy used to get frustrated--it was at himself.
I'll support him through" thick & thin" (Makes me think of posh &becks):laugh::rolling::rolling::rolling:
Madeline
12-07-2012, 09:32
I desperately want Andy to get a slam - but I want it for his sake, not for mine. He wants it so badly, if he never gets one I sometimes wonder how he will cope with life.
Ah well, so few of us actually get what we want from life. I just hope he does.
Alis - where on earth did that come from??? I don't remember hearing a pundit say it.
:confused:
It was on Sunday in the lead up to the final. I can't remember whether it was Pat Cash or Greg Rusedski but whoever it was not only made the statement but reiterated it. I was furious!
pippadaisy
13-07-2012, 16:16
Alis - where on earth did that come from??? I don't remember hearing a pundit say it.
:confused:
I also heard one of the pundits say that about Andy sacking a coach during a match ----Idiot
Have just come back from a few days away
Read back a lot of the posts -happy we are all united in the belief in Andy
GO Andy -go get a medal:cheer::cheer:
Elizabeth
13-07-2012, 18:25
It was John McEnroe who said we've seen him over the years with the numerous amount of coaches that Andy has had that he has gone and literally turned to the people up in the box or wherever they may be and fired them during the match.
Sallydaisy
13-07-2012, 18:46
It was John McEnroe who said we've seen him over the years with the numerous amount of coaches that Andy has had that he has gone and literally turned to the people up in the box or wherever they may be and fired them during the match.
Thanks Elizabeth.
:thumbup:
What a strange thing to say by Mac!!! He knows darned well that Andy hasn't ever done that and has, in fact, parted on good terms from Petchey, Gilbert and MacLagan. OK, things were a bit tense when he and BradG went their ways but all's been well between them for a long time.
jamie&andy's fan
13-07-2012, 22:03
I miss Andy already ! I really enjoyed his playing at Wimbledon this year :D
Sallydaisy
13-07-2012, 22:05
I miss Andy already ! I really enjoyed his playing at Wimbledon this year :D
Only 2 weeks to go until the Olympics - tennis event starts at Wimbledon on 28th July.
It was John McEnroe who said we've seen him over the years with the numerous amount of coaches that Andy has had that he has gone and literally turned to the people up in the box or wherever they may be and fired them during the match.Nah, he wasn't meaning it literally, it was more a generalisation. I've heard him say it a few times including about other players as well as Andy. Other commies use it too: "There he/she goes firing their coach again" when they mouth off at their box.
BradG has brought it up a few times as well, he's got a term for it I can't remember - but it's a "Brad-ism". Don't think he would have put up with as much from Andy if it wasn't for the giganormous pay packet he got each week.
Madeline
13-07-2012, 22:38
Only 2 weeks to go until the Olympics - tennis event starts at Wimbledon on 28th July.
I was looking at the Beeb's tv coverage of the Olympics, and there doesn't seem to be much tennis. Is it on Sky or Eurosport as well? I don't have either, but if it is being televised somewhere there should be livestreams.
VamosVixs
13-07-2012, 23:08
It may be on the red button. I remember watching most of the tennis on the red button at the last olympics.
BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/20744770) - BBC Sport replays the best of 2012
This will be on the red button or on-line
Wimbledon men's final - Wednesday 19 December 11:00 & 19:30; Wednesday 28 December 00:30
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