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Yellowlivi
12-09-2016, 00:24
Stan takes it. I can't believe he won't get the career grand slam now he can focus on grass. I wonder what Novak will be like for the rest of the year.
JAMES4578
12-09-2016, 00:26
Stan finally takes the title,well done! :clap:Had mixed feelings about the match (due to Andy's slam total) beforehand but favoured Wawrinka when it came down to it,particularly after some of Djokovic's actions. questionable actions even if match took toll physically. For the most part it was an enjoyable match and a fitting end to the tournament. So wish Andy had been in this position but pretty sure he will hold another big trophy before too long!
Novak paying the price for not getting the opportunity to play matches early in the tournament.......so say #Nolefam. :p ;)
Wawrinka hasn't been further than the QFs at Wimbledon in 12 attempts so the career grand slam would be an incredible achievement.
traveller7
12-09-2016, 00:26
Well done Stan no more mr invincible Nole
murrayfan89
12-09-2016, 00:29
Stan finally takes the title,well done! :clap:Had mixed feelings about the match (due to Andy's slam total) beforehand but favoured Wawrinka when it came down to it,particularly after some of Djokovic's actions. questionable actions even if match took toll physically. For the most part it was an enjoyable match and a fitting end to the tournament. So wish Andy had been in this position but pretty sure he will hold another big trophy before too long!
As long as he doesn't overtake Andy then it's all good. He deserves his place in big 5 now though, with 3 slams if it was in doubt before.
Well done Stan!!
Deserved winner. Would have been a travesty had Novak somehow pickpocketed this slam.
Basically Novak was for the taking here. Got lucky with his draw - which provided a glimpse of what slams will be like without Nadal and Federer challenging at the top. There will be a reduction in quality of opposition as no-one is really there to replace them.
And yes, taking a medical time out in every match he played in shows that Novak was in no way in good shape. Also - Stan served about 160 points to Novak's 130. Novak got a good look at so many of Stan's service games but just could not take advantage. Lack of Match sharpness.
Of course a frustrating thing is that Andy would definitely have beaten Novak today. Ah well - next time! Andy should definitely draw encouragement from the way his main rival is currently playing.
For now it is Stan's moment. He's beaten Novak on the way to winning all of his 3 slam titles. He has beaten the world number 1 at each slam he has won - and I think he has won the last 11 tour finals that he has played in since 2014. And the oldest slam winner since Agassi in 2003. Bravo!
https://twitter.com/nialsmith/status/775131713907326976
So the debate begins......:rolleyes: An Italian journalist.
Ubaldo Scanagatta @Ubitennis
.#usopen2016 @stanwawrinka now has won 3 slams like @andy_murray but in fewer years and 3 different slams. Who should be considered better?
RosieBear
12-09-2016, 00:31
Well done and congrats to Stan! :cheer::trophy: 3/3 on slam finals is so impressive. He only needs Wimbledon now for career slam, but I'm confident Andy will win AO and RG to get there first, as Stan has never achieved on grass. Just like watching Dan and Kyle battle for the DC spot, competition brings out the best in each other, and Stan's win will spur Andy on - great for tennis!
themass15
12-09-2016, 00:32
Very pleased for Stan even if he has equalled Andy's slam record.
So the debate begins......:rolleyes: An Italian journalist.
One would assume that Masters 1000's and Singles Gold Medals count for Zilch?
Well done and congrats to Stan! :cheer::trophy: 3/3 on slam finals is so impressive. He only needs Wimbledon now for career slam, but I'm confident Andy will win AO and RG to get there first, as Stan has never achieved on grass. Just like watching Dan and Kyle battle for the DC spot, competition brings out the best in each other, and Stan's win will spur Andy on - great for tennis!
Starting with the AO next year RB :) :) and I couldn't agree more that great play from one encourages the others. Stan said it himself about djoko a few minutes ago, djoko has said it of nadal.
[QUOTE=super8;176734]Well done Stan!!
Basically Novak was for the taking here. Got lucky with his draw - which provided a glimpse of what slams will be like without Nadal and Federer challenging at the top. There will be a reduction in quality of opposition as no-one is really there to replace them.
I disagree there's more talent on the rise at the moment from all quarters including Dan and Kyle from GB.
So the debate begins......:rolleyes: An Italian journalist.
Ubaldo Scanagatta @Ubitennis
.#usopen2016 @stanwawrinka now has won 3 slams like @andy_murray but in fewer years and 3 different slams. Who should be considered better?
Erm the one with consecutive Olympic Golds
:gold::gold:
thought that was a great final , really entertaining , some great play by both of them , Im happy for Stan
Well as I'm up in 5 hours and have no interest in the Europoort chat about the tournament I'm off to bed. Can't believe the nerves of steel Stan has shown. To win every major final you've got to is insane. Anyway here's to the next tennis event :) :) roll on Friday
[QUOTE=super8;176734]Well done Stan!!
Basically Novak was for the taking here. Got lucky with his draw - which provided a glimpse of what slams will be like without Nadal and Federer challenging at the top. There will be a reduction in quality of opposition as no-one is really there to replace them.
I disagree there's more talent on the rise at the moment from all quarters including Dan and Kyle from GB.
When they start bagging the Masters titles, World Tour Finals titles and Slam titles on a regular basis - champion players like the big 4 have then you might have a case. Otherwise - I think not.
Actually - make it the big 5 and include Stan then this little group has won 45 of the last 47 Slam tournament titles, and 54 of the past 58 ATP Masters 1000 titles. All older players - and no rising talent taking the game by the scruff of the neck.
Caley Shaun
12-09-2016, 00:50
Congrats Stan, 3 slams, it's the big 5 now in my opinion.
I disagree, mainly because the top 4 is Novak, Andy, Stan and Kei with Milos not far behind but needing a major, same with Kei.
Roger is on his way out imo, his best chance of getting another slam is Wimbledon but young guns are gonna knock him out or beat him in final and Rafa isn't same as he was.
The battle between Andy and Stan to get to 4 slams first will be fascinating.
What a fantastic final!! Those 2 guys really entertained us well tonight. Some sensational rallies and as far as I am concerned Stan deserved to win it. He saved so many break points....to me that was the key. Speeches and prize giving very emotional and nice to see the 2 guys acknowledging each other. I also think that match answered many questions about the fitness of Nole...I doubt if he would have made the final if he hadn't had the the walkovers/retirements. So Stan is the champion and Nole is not the runner-up, but the finalist! Well done guys...well worth sitting up for. Great climax to the USO. Bring on the Davis Cup! Oh, one more thing...Dan nearly knocked out the champion!!!
PS: Apologies if I have repeated anything posted earlier...I wrote this before I read through the thread! I don't post during a match.
Josephine
12-09-2016, 01:15
Glad Stan won especially after Novak's MTO shenanigans. So Stan has 3 grand slams, but he deserves them. Novak lost some points - Andy gained a few, so would be wonderful if Andy could at some point get to no 1.
Andy was clearly tired too and if he had scraped past Kei, doubt very much he would have beaten Stan in his current form.
Mind you all tennis commenting is so daft. Andy was being called the best player in the world at that point in time just a couple of weeks ago. Now Stan is the best thing since sliced bread.
RoastLamb
12-09-2016, 01:20
Glad Stan won! Well done that Stan the Man! Did not want Djoko to win as he really didn't deserve to seeing as he had three defaults in previous matches. But disappointed for Andy, del Potro, Rafa and Milos that they didn't get further than they did.
Just woke up and looked at the result. I'm glad that Djoko didn't win but sorry that it was Stan that did. I agree that it is a great achievement for him to have won all three finals that he has played but there was some degree of luck involved in each of them. An injured Rafa in Oz, a knackered Djoko in France and an out of sorts Djoko - for whatever reason - in the U.S. That's sport, of course, and I suppose you could argue that there is always an element of luck involved in any Major win. Well done to Stan for taking his opportunities but his career record overall has been incredibly inconsistent and, in my book anyway, doesn't compare to Andy's. I'm still not convinced that Djoko is injured but there is definitely something amiss in the Djokovic camp.
Totally agree. He has won 3 other tournaments 2 x250 and 1x 500. Look what our boy has won. There is no justice in this world
Just woke up and looked at the result. I'm glad that Djoko didn't win but sorry that it was Stan that did. I agree that it is a great achievement for him to have won all three finals that he has played but there was some degree of luck involved in each of them. An injured Rafa in Oz, a knackered Djoko in France and an out of sorts Djoko - for whatever reason - in the U.S. That's sport, of course, and I suppose you could argue that there is always an element of luck involved in any Major win. Well done to Stan for taking his opportunities but his career record overall has been incredibly inconsistent and, in my book anyway, doesn't compare to Andy's. I'm still not convinced that Djoko is injured but there is definitely something amiss in the Djokovic camp.
Agree with you. There is definitely something wrong with Nole. So many break opportunities not taken, weak serving and odd shots. He had played enough to be sharp but not tired.
I didn't stay up for the match - only saw first 2 sets which I thought were great tennis. Glad Stan won, and no, his achievements don't compare to Andy's but as I said yesterday, I don't really do comparisons. I just celebrate what ANDY has achieved and watch other matches for their own sake / merit. Hope to catch some highlights later. Well done Stan!
EDIT: Meant to comment on Novak's MTO - we know there were injury concerns. If he would only just not be so secretive about what the problem is, people wouldn't be so quick to jump on the gamesmanship bandwagon.
HoopGirl
12-09-2016, 05:57
As I went to bed Novak had just taken the first set so I thought it was likely to go with him.
Have to admire Wawrinkas mental strength - 3 finals and 3 wins! Really impressive.
Interesting speech about him not having his goal coming into this tournament as wining this grand slam - this is a different approach to current sports psychology theory.
Yup - as RB says its up to Andy to show whose boss now!
Was a great match, except for the usual Djoko timeouts. He should have been made to wait until change of ends until he had a MTO. He was clutching his leg as though he had cramp and then suddenly needed the trainer for his toes!!! Had his rest and then came out for one game refreshed. Ugh!!! Today was the first day I've been well enough to watch the tennis and boy did I make up for it by shouting my head off at him.
I think he has been going downhill since the beginning of the year. Have to wonder if he had to change some of his medication or his routines and it has affected him.
WimbledonWestie
12-09-2016, 06:46
So in this year's 5 majors Andy has 2 wins, 2 r up, 1 qf. Novak has 2 wins, 1 r up, 1 r3, 1 r1. That thought sending me off to work on a cheery note!
lovetennis
12-09-2016, 06:56
Impressive from Stan, glad he won and don't want to take anything away from him but Djok is not his previous self, either physically or mentally. I found his team very lukewarm too. None of their usual intensity, chatting to their neighbours, looking at phones. Did they even think he could win?
The MTO, hmmm well you could see the blister but I do think he had cramp too. Stan handled the distraction well so kudos to him
I wonder how long Becker will stay around if this continues. I wouldn't be surprised to see an ending of that partnership at the end of the season or even before.
Josephine
12-09-2016, 07:50
Just woke up and looked at the result. I'm glad that Djoko didn't win but sorry that it was Stan that did. I agree that it is a great achievement for him to have won all three finals that he has played but there was some degree of luck involved in each of them. An injured Rafa in Oz, a knackered Djoko in France and an out of sorts Djoko - for whatever reason - in the U.S. That's sport, of course, and I suppose you could argue that there is always an element of luck involved in any Major win. Well done to Stan for taking his opportunities but his career record overall has been incredibly inconsistent and, in my book anyway, doesn't compare to Andy's. I'm still not convinced that Djoko is injured but there is definitely something amiss in the Djokovic camp.
I think if you had seen the match you would not have said it was luck. Stan was incredible in sets 2 and 3 and basically killed Novak off - wore him out physically and mentally. He came through a very tough match (as Andy has in grand slam runs), then beat the best other in form players - Nishikori and Del Potro, and then outplayed the number one. You can argue he had a harder draw than Andy at either of his Wimbledons.
I am sorry he has same number of slams as Andy. Overall he has won so many fewer tournaments and been in many fewer finals, yet now everyone is saying 'is he better than Murray?' But he totally deserved this win.
I don't think Djoko had a serious injury - no problem with wrist or shoulder. Then he got cramp and sore toes - so just worn out. As for his camp, well maybe one or two found the god had feet of clay.
Didn't want either of them to win, so regardless of outcome I was going to be unhappy. Those folks saying Djokovic was there for the taking, and Murray should have been there to take him, have to see it in context. Djokovic lost in the Olympics very early. He bottled Cincinatti due to injury, whatever that injury was - I still have no idea. Wawrinka didn't play the Olympics at all and went out in the 3 Rd round of Cincinatti.
Mr M made a decision that The Olympics was his priority this year. It never was going to be possible to do them all, anymore than it was last year when DC was his priority, when Wimbledon and The US Open were the sacrificial lambs.
The consequence of his decision to prioritise The Olympics is that he defended his Olympic Gold Medal, (and got to be flag bearer), something that has never been done before - even Fred didn't manage that.
Mr Murray has played in the era of probably the best players of all time, yet has achieved something non of them has done. That will be on record for all time. I think that is brilliant for him, and for us.
Time for a soupçon of DC I think.........
sir coolerking
12-09-2016, 08:03
Has Djokovic taken a single MTO in this tournament just before HE was about to serve? I'm glad Stan won, he's a nice bloke and he plays aggressive tennis which on its day is too good. I don't care that he's got the same number as Andy, everyone knows who the better play is.
Stylus_XL
12-09-2016, 08:29
I agree that it is a great achievement for him to have won all three finals that he has played but there was some degree of luck involved in each of them. An injured Rafa in Oz, a knackered Djoko in France and an out of sorts Djoko - for whatever reason - in the U.S. That's sport, of course, and I suppose you could argue that there is always an element of luck involved in any Major win.
This year's US Open wasn't great in terms of quality competition on the men's side of the draw, granted, but Stan played some outrageous attacking tennis to win his first two slams. He has been a thorn in Djokovic's side for the last three years; whenever they've met in slams in that time, Nole has not been able to beat him in less than 5 sets.
Stan is a worthy slam winner and his style of tennis - when it's firing - is exceptional. As a fan of Andy I can kinda understand the annoyance at them being level on slams again, but I don't subscribe to narratives about luck and fortunate circumstances - narratives that have been used to try and devalue Andy's slam wins as well.
supergran
12-09-2016, 08:31
Didn't watch the match as don't like either player. Wasn't too surprised when I saw the result this morning. There's definitely something amiss with Djokovic and I don't think it's injuries. There's no point in dwelling on what might have been or discussing if Stan is now a better player than Andy. He isn't! Beating the world no. 1 in three majors is an achievement and he is certainly out of Fed's shadow now but his wins do not compare with Andy's overall. Would love to see Nole going out of tournaments earlier in 2017 and lose his no. 1 ranking. I've had enough of him and his tricks. It rankles him that he is not as popular as Fed, Nadal and Andy and he will never be.
Josephine
12-09-2016, 08:33
Didn't want either of them to win, so regardless of outcome I was going to be unhappy. Those folks saying Djokovic was there for the taking, and Murray should have been there to take him, have to see it in context. Djokovic lost in the Olympics very early. He bottled Cincinatti due to injury, whatever that injury was - I still have no idea. Wawrinka didn't play the Olympics at all and went out in the 3 Rd round of Cincinatti.
Mr M made a decision that The Olympics was his priority this year. It never was going to be possible to do them all, anymore than it was last year when DC was his priority, when Wimbledon and The US Open were the sacrificial lambs.
The consequence of his decision to prioritise The Olympics is that he defended his Olympic Gold Medal, (and got to be flag bearer), something that has never been done before - even Fred didn't manage that.
Mr Murray has played in the era of probably the best players of all time, yet has achieved something non of them has done. That will be on record for all time. I think that is brilliant for him, and for us.
Time for a soupçon of DC I think.........
Yes Andy made his choices, and he would have had to beat Stan to get to Djoko, so Djoko's form is irrelevant as from what I saw Andy was indeed too worn out to beat Stan.
I hope he doesn't play DC next year for his sake. Slams and Number 1 are what tennis players are remembered for. Steps and Berdy won 2 DCs - an amazing achievement as a 2 man team, but Berdych is regarded as an under achiever. And Andy's 2 gold medals are sadly discounted when some people are saying Stan has achieved as much as Andy.
I an glad I watched the match - the first 3 sets were brilliant tennis and the reason I am not so upset Stan won was because of how brilliantly he played. It was good to watch a match with no huge emotional tugging. Just admiring the tennis, though I admit I wanted Stan to win as I could not have borne Novak's celebrations! And the timing of Novak's MTO was very questionable.
Eurosport are replaying the final at 11am this morning
I think if you had seen the match you would not have said it was luck. Stan was incredible in sets 2 and 3 and basically killed Novak off - wore him out physically and mentally.
I don't doubt that Stan played the better match and deserved to win. The 'luck' I was referring to was the fact that he met an out of sorts Djokovic in the final. We don't know why he isn't himself at the moment but if the Djoko of the last several years had been on court, I would argue that Stan wouldn't have been able to wear him out, either physically or mentally, over four sets. That's sport - Stan was in the right place at the right time and took advantage of the situation - good for him. I bet Dan is replaying that missed volley over and over again in his head - c'est la vie!
themass15
12-09-2016, 08:50
Has Djokovic taken a single MTO in this tournament just before HE was about to serve? I'm glad Stan won, he's a nice bloke and he plays aggressive tennis which on its day is too good. I don't care that he's got the same number as Andy, everyone knows who the better play is.
Quite. Stan may have a good record in GS finals but he has done very little else when you take that out of the equasion.
Josephine
12-09-2016, 08:57
I don't doubt that Stan played the better match and deserved to win. The 'luck' I was referring to was the fact that he met an out of sorts Djokovic in the final. We don't know why he isn't himself at the moment but if the Djoko of the last several years had been on court, I would argue that Stan wouldn't have been able to wear him out, either physically or mentally, over four sets. That's sport - Stan was in the right place at the right time and took advantage of the situation - good for him. I bet Dan is replaying that missed volley over and over again in his head - c'est la vie!
Yes as Andy was lucky to meet an exhausted Djoko (after Delpo match) in his first Wimbledon final?
Stan was by far the better player and he beat Nishikori and Delpo. There was nothing wrong with Djoko at all until Stan wore him down. And Stan beat him twice when he was in absolute top form at Oz and French open in last 2 years!!
As others said you could argue Andy has had far more luck in his GSs. Fed and Nadal both out in week 1 in 2013 when he was due to play both!
Or just accept the best player in that tournament won.
And Stan played 100 times better yesterday than he did against Dan. He improved as the tournament went on as the best players do and Andy has also done in his GS wins.
:sad: Tennis is just depressing at times.
Eurosport is replaying the final at 11am today
Hey, that was one heck of a tennis match...compulsive viewing. Such exciting rallies. If Nole was as 'out of sorts' as implied, he still managed some amazing shots and his retrieval exploits were staggering. (which may well have contributed to the injured toes). The fact that he didn't capture many break points was more down to Stan's brilliant play than Nole's 'weak' play. Stan was just too good for him. Stan thoroughly deserved that win. As for the MTO...well Nole didn't win, did he, so it's all academic.
As for the 'argument' Andy v Stan...what argument? Andy is head and shoulders above Stan...Andy has bucket loads more talent and Stan would be the first to acknowledge that and time will prove it. Let's give Stan his moment of glory...he deserves it IMO.
Yes as Andy was lucky to meet an exhausted Djoko (after Delpo match) in his first Wimbledon final?
Stan was by far the better player and he beat Nishikori and Delpo. There was nothing wrong with Djoko at all until Stan wore him down. And Stan beat him twice when he was in absolute top form at Oz and French open in last 2 years!!
As others said you could argue Andy has had far more luck in his GSs. Fed and Nadal both out in week 1 in 2013 when he was due to play both!
Or just accept the best player in that tournament won.
And Stan played 100 times better yesterday than he did against Dan. He improved as the tournament went on as the best players do and Andy has also done in his GS wins.
I'm sure you're right, Josephine - as I said, there is always an element of luck in any sport and I am sure Andy has had his fair share. I'm just peeved that Stan was there to take advantage of the situation and Andy wasn't. I don't like Stan and that is probably colouring my judgement!;)
Well I watched the whole match and found it hugely enjoyable :) Being a fan of tennis, not just of certain players, I would never miss a Slam final. I like Stan's brand of tennis, it's exciting to watch and his BH down the line is arguably the best in the game, either double or single handed. Yes, Nole was clearly not at his best but Stan seems to have the ability to seriously bother him even when Nole isn't hampered with "issues" of one sort or another. Nole's MTO timing was questionable but the injury to his toes was certainly genuine - you don't fake bloodstained socks. What was more irritating was the return of the interminable ball bouncing before serve. So Stan wins his third Slam and qualifies for the O2, very well deserved!
Watched the last 3 sets this morning. What a match. Stan played out of his skin and I think an on form Nole would still have struggled. You can't take anything away from Stan - ok he hasn't played as many matches as Andy but Andy was considered exhausted earlier on in the year when he played some long matches early on and didn't have anything left in the tank for the final (French Open???) - Stan seems superhuman. How many hours was he on court? And still he was able to play his best tennis. IMHO he deserved this win whatever people think of him or his record compared to Andy. He's seriously scary at the moment. I wonder if Andy is as strong mentally/physically. Hopefully next year we'll find out he is. I'm with Josephine on the hoping he doesn't focus on DC front. I too said earlier it's not what he'll be remembered for and if he wants #1 he has to be ruthless and go for that above all else.
Congrats Stan, well done and deserved. I for one don't care how many Slams others have. They all deserve their wins, at least acknowledge and give respect. They are all there for one purpose and one only, to win, otherwise why bother. I am with Caro on, "no comparison" Will always support Andy but must admire and respect others achievements Otherwise there would be no passion or love for the sport. Andy doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and am sure he is very happy for Stan this morning because he doesn't have a mean bone in his body and always give his opponents the respect they deserve. That's my take on the discussion. All 128 players deserve their place in the Draw and may the best one win. Dan/:facepalm::grrr::grrr:Wawrinka ???
Was a great match, except for the usual Djoko timeouts. He should have been made to wait until change of ends until he had a MTO. He was clutching his leg as though he had cramp and then suddenly needed the trainer for his toes!!! Had his rest and then came out for one game refreshed. Ugh!!! Today was the first day I've been well enough to watch the tennis and boy did I make up for it by shouting my head off at him.
I think he has been going downhill since the beginning of the year. Have to wonder if he had to change some of his medication or his routines and it has affected him.
I don't know about since the beginning of the year, he won the Aussie and the French. He has had recurring shoulder problems (both sides) when he plays a lot of tennis. Like he did in 2011. He did repeatedly touch his foot after he accidentally bounced the ball on it. So even if he did have cramp it was obvious the foot was giving him trouble. He is more secretive that other players about injury (like federer has bed. In the past), I think, like Caro,that this is one reason people accuse him of gamesmanship. It's a tough one because announcing your weakness gives your opponents areas to target but it also takes away you aura of invincibility. It's hard to know how honest to be. He seemed to be nursing a number of niggles, by all accounts he didn't practice much, hasn't been in the gym a lot. He even said himself that he wasn't sure he was going to play the US so was happy he made finals. I have seen many other players time take injury time outs not during the change of ends, I've seen many other players get treatment for blisters, most often ferrer (who I love). When I'm at a match id rather see a guy get treatment than the match go down the drain, I have paid to see it after all. Whilst it may be distracting to the opponent, there are many distractions (remember the entire crowd booing Novak last year because they wanted federer to win? Calling out as he served?), a great champion will look past these distractions. Something stan managed to do. I think they both gave all they had yesterday, for the most part it was a great match. This is open had a lot of injuries, niggles, tiredness, I guess it's the downside of being the last one. Personally as some one who has finals tickets, I hope l these guys recover over the next few months for a great shoring in November :) :)
Has Djokovic taken a single MTO in this tournament just before HE was about to serve? I'm glad Stan won, he's a nice bloke and he plays aggressive tennis which on its day is too good. I don't care that he's got the same number as Andy, everyone knows who the better play is.
Though his first time out yesterday was before stan's serve, his second was before his own
LC the fan
12-09-2016, 11:14
Time Out is one of Djoko's regular ploys I am afraid.
Must say from what I saw of the match Novak was under par. Yes - he played some great shots and did some fantastic retrieving (doesn't he always) but the confidence and the assurance was undoubtedly missing.
OK Stan played very well but I feel pretty sure that whoever of the top players were in that final they would have won.
Novak is having problems somewhere in my opinion - probably mental. Time will tell
I bet Dan is replaying that missed volley over and over again in his head - c'est la vie!
Mark Petchey said last night that he had had a chat with Magnus Norman, and Stan had been practicing that volley shot a lot recently, so it wasn't just a bit of luck on Stan's part.
Congrats Stan, well done and deserved. I for one don't care how many Slams others have. They all deserve their wins, at least acknowledge and give respect. They are all there for one purpose and one only, to win, otherwise why bother. I am with Caro on, "no comparison" Will always support Andy but must admire and respect others achievements Otherwise there would be no passion or love for the sport. Andy doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and am sure he is very happy for Stan this morning because he doesn't have a mean bone in his body and always give his opponents the respect they deserve. That's my take on the discussion. All 128 players deserve their place in the Draw and may the best one win. Dan/:facepalm::grrr::grrr:Wawrinka ???
:clap::clap: :bravo: rouges!
There is also no point in comparing who had an easier route to their GS title. The name on the trophy is what goes down in history, not how it was won ... and quite frankly, who cares?! Zero point in lamenting lost opportunities.
As for what Andy's priorities are and what he "sacrifices" to achieve his goals, for me that is for him to decide not for us. I know people don't believe he will be remembered for DC but maybe he doesn't care! What he is remembered for really doesn't matter that much to me I have to be honest. I and we know how great he is (v Stan debate anyone?) so that's what matters and enjoying watching him achieve everything he has so far. If Andy wants to prioritise DC again, that's his decision and fine by me. If he doesn't (I'd be surprised), that's fine too.
themass15
12-09-2016, 14:34
If you want to see just how much better Andy is that Stan, just look at the prize money they have won - Andy over $50,000,000 and Stan virtually half on $26,000,000+ Proof enough indeed.
:clap::clap: :bravo: rouges!
There is also no point in comparing who had an easier route to their GS title. The name on the trophy is what goes down in history, not how it was won ... and quite frankly, who cares?! Zero point in lamenting lost opportunities.
As for what Andy's priorities are and what he "sacrifices" to achieve his goals, for me that is for him to decide not for us. I know people don't believe he will be remembered for DC but maybe he doesn't care! What he is remembered for really doesn't matter that much to me I have to be honest. I and we know how great he is (v Stan debate anyone?) so that's what matters and enjoying watching him achieve everything he has so far. If Andy wants to prioritise DC again, that's his decision and fine by me. If he doesn't (I'd be surprised), that's fine too.
I appreciate where you're coming from Caro but Andy has stated he wants to be #1 and has himself in the past focused on slams and said that's what players are remembered for. So from that I'd deduce that those things ARE important to him. But I agree it's his decision and he must determine his own priorities. He has chosen not to play DC in the past so giving it a miss for a year or so might not be a biggie. Just wouldn't want him to have any regrets when he eventually looks back on his career.
We can only speculate on what Andy's priorities might be but, looking at what he has and hasn't achieved, I think we could be forgiven for thinking that the Oz Open, the French Open and the World No 1 ranking might be top of his list ........ oh, and maybe the World Tour Finals just for good measure!
Sallydaisy
12-09-2016, 17:20
We can only speculate on what Andy's priorities might be but, looking at what he has and hasn't achieved, I think we could be forgiven for thinking that the Oz Open, the French Open and the World No 1 ranking might be top of his list ........ oh, and maybe the World Tour Finals just for good measure!
I reckon that's up for grabs by Andy this year ... high time he won it on home turf to add to Queens and Wimbledon.
:boogie:
I did sit up and watch it over a beer or three,just as well I was off today.Last major final of the year always makes me sad ,but really enjoyed it.Happy for Stan .As someone said earlier,I enjoy watching tennis not just a fan of one player.
Anyway, Andy will move on . After the Davis cup, Asian swing coming up which is now one of my favourite bits of the whole season.Due in part to tennistv.
themass15
12-09-2016, 17:46
I reckon that's up for grabs by Andy this year ... high time he won it on home turf to add to Queens and Wimbledon.
:boogie:
We all wish. It would be just amazing!
I reckon that's up for grabs by Andy this year ... high time he won it on home turf to add to Queens and Wimbledon.
:boogie:
If last year is an indication, the tour finals will be more up for grabs if GB don't make the Davis Cup final otherwise it could mean again playing the final on clay 5 days after the O2.
Things learned on twitter. :rolleyes: Apparently Wawrinka's undeniably impressive played 3, won 3 finals is a greater achievement than winning 3 titles having been in 11 finals. :facepalm:
lovetennis
12-09-2016, 18:30
Interesting article on the final and the controversies therein. Don't have much time for the Mail but Mike Dickson is usually a pretty good tennis journo. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-3785798/Stan-Wawrinka-poses-Open-trophy-New-York-skyline.html
I do think the player's "status" impacts on the request for an MTO as Dan found to his cost against Stan. Can you imagine Djok being refused like Dan was? In sport as in life all should be treated equally, but as in life they are not.
Also agree with his comments on members of Team Djokovic being "disengaged" with the match. Frankly they all looked like they wanted to be somewhere else, including Boris (who is looking a lot trimmer and less florid than of late, either he's on a new health regime or worried about his job security). Novak's reality show on Amazon may make an interesting watch afterall. From virtual indestructibility at the start of the year, he is looking human again
Things learned on twitter. :rolleyes: Apparently Wawrinka's undeniably impressive played 3, won 3 finals is a greater achievement than winning 3 titles having been in 11 finals. :facepalm:
Best to do as Andy does and ignore such tweets etc.
Rosalind
13-09-2016, 06:23
I watched the repeat yesterday evening having kept away fro news sources successfully all day. It was good match and both played some great shots. I didn't have any strong feelings on who I wanted to win so it's certainly less stressful than watching a big Murray match! Relaxing to watch tennis for itself and nothing more - although of course I would have preferred Andy to be there - stressful or not!
All the top players have their different characters and their different fans and each have their brilliant times. I moan about them like most others but have to appreciate their playing skills too.
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