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I dont think so Bardot , Andy is a gracious loser
A gracious loser but keep it to a minimum and get off court asap.
Delpo is going to be dangerous for the remainder of the season and in Oz - particularly if he isn't seeded.
Sod's law. Last year the Argies were beaten by Belgium otherwise it would have been a home tie for the final. This year Croatia make it to the final which would have meant a home tie for us but the Argies beat us this time.
Twas always a big ask and I hope Argentina win the final because they've missed out so many times and I'm pleased to see Delpo back.
I find it more than irritating that the commentators were implying that we lost because Andy lost his first match.
LC the fan
18-09-2016, 18:36
Theres part of me that agrees with Kenny009 - Andy can concentrate on the 02 and then have a nice long rest which he so deserves rather than fret about keeping some back for Davis Cup which is a bit badly placed after the 02.
Must say I feel sorry for Dan - he really didn't play badly but came up against a man on a mission. It would have been such a boost to him to bring the final here - sadly not to be
And as for commies pointing the loss at Andy - well they won last year because he played 2 singles and the doubles pretty much throughout. Er...how many did John Lloyd win ?????
LC the fan
18-09-2016, 18:41
I dont think so Bardot , Andy is a gracious loser
Gracious - to a minimum required. He couldn't wait to disentangle himself from Delpo on Friday and get off court.
I always think that Novak is much more gracious and sporting in defeat that he is in success.
Rather pleased for Delpo though the man is going to be a pain in the ... over the next few months
patmoren
18-09-2016, 18:50
We had a great run, wasn't to be this time. Players have gone above and beyond the call of duty. Now they can have a rest and get back to the day job.
Mayer deserved to win. His first serve was a big asset. Dan didn't play as well as he can. Thoroughly enjoyed my day at the Emirites. Support was great. Hope Andy is okay for Wednesday, have tickets for that evening also.
I find it more than irritating that the commentators were implying that we lost because Andy lost his first match.
Then they are morons. I am not that disappointed that we lost, as it will give both Murray brothers a rest. I do feel disappointed for them though. With Mr M's head state a bit awol on Friday, just for this tie it needed one of the others to step up, and I think the rest of the team let the side down a bit. Not meaning to be too harsh, but Edmund and Evans are the ones who let the side down this weekend, not Mr M. All that sacrifice and effort from the Murray brothers for nought. Apologies if I sound grumpy but I am tired. I think Mr M needs to let them get on with it next year. He just can't carry the whole thing.
Andy did let the others "get on with it" in Serbia and Kyle led them well. At the start of the year we thought Andy would play just the one tie to keep them in the World Group, so getting to the semis was a bonus and they so nearly pulled it off. Roll on next year - how about a trip to Spain in February???
Please discuss the draw for 2017 and GB's next tie in this thread - http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2397-Davis-Cup-2017-GB-draw-and-first-round
WimbledonWestie
18-09-2016, 19:27
A gracious loser but keep it to a minimum and get off court asap.
Pretty sure the reason he got off so quick would've been to go console Dan.
Pretty sure the reason he got off so quick would've been to go console Dan.
I was referring to any match Andy loses, it's the briefest encounter at the net (repelling all attempts at huggery) and then out of there. ;) The only exception is losing in a final when he's to hang around for the pleasantries.
Harman getting ripped a new one for this ridiculous tweet. ;) His statement could apply to any final including 2015 but this year could be different given the universal popularity of Del Potro.
Neil Harman @Neil_Harman57
Now comes conundrum for international tennis, selling Davis Cup final between Croatia and Argentina. Who, bar those nations, will watch it?
roytennisfan
18-09-2016, 20:12
Well another amazing DC weekend is over for me, on the train home. Dan can certainly hold his head high, from set2 Mayer was getting everything in either on lines or very near to them playing some ridiculous shots as the match went on, any player would of found it tough looking at his service stats but they don tell the whole picture of how many hit the lines or very close to them. He was in inspired form, was it his 12th consecutive DC win? All three of their players contributed and played well, Pella was very consistent getting quick returns back to Kyle so he couldn't make his best forehand shots on this medium fast court. DelPo battled hard and was extremely consistent against Andy. I had hoped we would win but we have witnessed a wonderful tie with a very high standard of play and won by the marginally better side. We have achieved six consecutive victories a few of which were not expected.
Keeptheheid
18-09-2016, 20:50
Well that was a roller coaster of a weekend, GB did us proud, just a pity about the result but we witnessed some fabulous tennis by both teams. Roll on the next one.
emjay1970
18-09-2016, 20:55
I've lost my voice from all the screaming - hope it recovers for the play next week. Thanks so much to everyone for organising such a fantastic weekend! So much fun. Not the right result but by heck we gave it a go!
Caley Shaun
18-09-2016, 21:00
Anyone listen to Leon interview, Sue was hoping he would talk to BBC?
I really hope and do think he will stick around but he may blame himself for playing Edmund on Friday AND NOT playing him today.
Then they are morons. I am not that disappointed that we lost, as it will give both Murray brothers a rest. I do feel disappointed for them though. With Mr M's head state a bit awol on Friday, just for this tie it needed one of the others to step up, and I think the rest of the team let the side down a bit. Not meaning to be too harsh, but Edmund and Evans are the ones who let the side down this weekend, not Mr M. All that sacrifice and effort from the Murray brothers for nought. Apologies if I sound grumpy but I am tired. I think Mr M needs to let them get on with it next year. He just can't carry the whole thing.
Have to agree with you. After the summer Andy has had he desperately needed some time off but instead sacrificed that for Davis Cup. He needs to re-think his schedule and priorities next year. Hope the injury he picked up is not too bad as there is still a lot to play for this year with the No1 ranking not too far away.
roytennisfan
18-09-2016, 21:11
I know some of us would have preferred Dan on Friday but I honestly believe Leon knows what is best when picking the team. Agains Argentina it is very difficult to second guess who they will play when, I thought mayer might play on Friday, I expected delbonis their highest ranked player this year to play rather than sit on the bench. Rather than any criticism, I think now is the time to support Leon and say what a magnificent job he has done over the past few years and helping get us to where we are. I don't see any need for him to criticise himself!
traveller7
18-09-2016, 21:14
Was following match on phone until got home a shame but can't win them all. Glad I got to see the trophy up close today though
What an amazing weekend again, supporting our team. Not the result we wanted and wished for, but an amazing display of high class tennis. Now we know how all our opponents felt last year, coming up against our team.
Totally loved spending time with you all again because I didn't think I would get the chance to attend this year. I am very fortunate it came to Glasgow. I hope those of you travelling far have safe journeys home and hope to see you again next year at some point.
The one positive, at least the bank balance doesn't take a hit again this year. My hubby will be happy about that!!!
lovetennis
18-09-2016, 21:17
What a weekend. It didn't go our way in the énd but it was still a fantastic tie to be ät. I cannot believe how Andy came back after that gruelling loss on Friday to pläy to so well on Saturday and today. He really is the gift that keeps on giving.
Mäyer's serve today was phenomenal and won him the match. Felt gutted for Dan but proud that from 0-2 down the team fought back to take it to the deciding rubber.
Fantastic seats for us all and great to meet more forum members. We did a superb job if I say so myself. So much so that British Tennis's tweet to thank fans is a picture of AMFF https://twitter.com/BritishTennis/status/777566812695388160
roytennisfan
18-09-2016, 21:19
Then they are morons. I am not that disappointed that we lost, as it will give both Murray brothers a rest. I do feel disappointed for them though. With Mr M's head state a bit awol on Friday, just for this tie it needed one of the others to step up, and I think the rest of the team let the side down a bit. Not meaning to be too harsh, but Edmund and Evans are the ones who let the side down this weekend, not Mr M. All that sacrifice and effort from the Murray brothers for nought. Apologies if I sound grumpy but I am tired. I think Mr M needs to let them get on with it next year. He just can't carry the whole thing.
Sorry I don't agree that anyone let the side down, mayer was inspired today and Dan was not that poor. The reason Kyle never got his forehand going like in Serbia was that pella played well using the medium fast court not to give Kyle time to get his best forehand shots. We saw some extremely good tennis and some argentinians playing much better than I expected
Sorry I don't agree that anyone let the side down, mayer was inspired today and Dan was not that poor. The reason Kyle never got his forehand going like in Serbia was that pella played well using the medium fast court not to give Kyle time to get his best forehand shots. We saw some extremely good tennis and some argentinians playing much better than I expected
+1.2 and 3
:thumbup:
Although I am very surprised nobody has mentioned a certain lines judge!
:whistle:
I did look really closely at his back pocket when he walked past.
Could've sworn there was some Peso's in a brown envelope poking out.
;)
piscesperson
18-09-2016, 21:38
There was a woman who was 4 seats along from me all weekend. She must have been in her early 70s. She stood up, waved her flag, shouted and cheered her socks off all weekend. She put most people in the North stand to shame. God bless her :bravo:
Audio (https://soundcloud.com/ubitennis) of Leon & Dan's press conference.
roytennisfan
18-09-2016, 21:51
Although I am very surprised nobody has mentioned a certain lines judge!
:whistle:
I did look really closely at his back pocket when he walked past.
Could've sworn there was some Peso's in a brown envelope poking out.
;)
Yes especially the guy with glasses and beard, overuled by umpires on Friday and Saturday and challenges show him not even close to being right. He wasn't the only one but was by far the worst. I shouted sack the line judge at him, think a fair few on the forum heard. The errors certainly didn't favour the home team unlike in Serbia and without a hawkeye
I know some of us would have preferred Dan on Friday but I honestly believe Leon knows what is best when picking the team. Agains Argentina it is very difficult to second guess who they will play when, I thought mayer might play on Friday, I expected delbonis their highest ranked player this year to play rather than sit on the bench. Rather than any criticism, I think now is the time to support Leon and say what a magnificent job he has done over the past few years and helping get us to where we are. I don't see any need for him to criticise himself!
I don't think anyone can criticise Leon Smith, he has done an amazing job over the last few years. I suppose I am just thinking that after all the stupendous performances Andy and Jamie have put in over the last few years, (that match against Simon at Queen's comes to mind when he was on his knees, but still won), this weekend he just for once he needed one of the others to do something extra special and for whatever reason they were not able to. I am convinced that if Mr M's mind hadn't been elsewhere on Friday he would have got through Del Po.
I feel let down on his/their behalf. It undoubtedly isn't rational or even fair, but it's how I feel tonight.
I doubt his injury was that severe or he wouldn't have been able to come back and finish his part of the job. Hopefully he can play on Wednesday - it's not going to be real tennis as such, more a bit of messing about for charity, at least that's how I have read it?
lovetennis
18-09-2016, 22:05
If anyone needs cheering up, here's a little bit of Andy humour to brighten your evening https://twitter.com/Annabel_Croft/status/777529499298721792
lovetennis
18-09-2016, 22:19
I think this photo Andy posted earlier today on Facebook with the hashtag Best Supporters in the World might be "the goosebumps moment" on Friday. It's definitely AMFF he's looking at änd there wasn't any moment like that in the doubles match. A still photo can't do it justice mind you
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Caley Shaun
18-09-2016, 22:19
Daily Express claiming that Andy is to RETIRE from Davis Cup!!!
Anyone fancy posting the link?
To me, that is surely utter rubbish as he has been commited this past year or so, especially this week when he could have been at a funeral, not slogging it out for FIVE hours on a Tennis court.
Daily Express claiming that Andy is to RETIRE from Davis Cup!!!
Anyone fancy posting the link
Link on Newspaper thread!!
The Express story is tosh and not worth linking. ;) It quotes what Leon said in the press conference (the audio is on the previous page) and at no point does he give any indication about Andy retiring from DC, just that he has to consider how it impacts on his schedule which is what Leon's been saying about Andy's participation ever since be became captain.
The Express story is tosh and not worth linking. ;) It quotes what Leon said in the press conference (the audio is on the previous page) and at no point does he give any indication about Andy retiring from DC, just that he has to consider how it impacts on his schedule which is what Leon's been saying about Andy's participation ever since be became captain.
Agree Bardot...but free speech & all that ;)
Agree Bardot...but free speech & all that ;)
Being the Express, it's a wonder they didn't manage to get Princess Di and extreme weather into the story. ;)
I feel let down on his/their behalf. It undoubtedly isn't rational or even fair, but it's how I feel tonight.
I doubt his injury was that severe or he wouldn't have been able to come back and finish his part of the job. Hopefully he can play on Wednesday - it's not going to be real tennis as such, more a bit of messing about for charity, at least that's how I have read it?
My feeling is that Andy felt he didn't have another set in him and had to
get it done in three.
He's in a worse state at the end of this than after his 5 setter against Kei in Birmingham. Imho.
And he looked bad enough there (It's my Avatar for that reason)
I just hope he has the time to recover fully before giving that much again.
My immediate response to Andy going off was that he was going to see Dan.
Andy Murray = Mr integrity. Never insincere. Always a Gent.
Win or loose I love and admire him.
As for feeling let down??????? I didn't feel let down.
I bet you anything you like although the team will be disappointed, not one of
them thinks anyone of the others has let them down.
They may blame themselves, but they shouldn't, not at all.
They all gave 100% and the highest quality of tennis ever in DC.
Just my two penerth.
Being the Express, it's a wonder they didn't manage to get Princess Di and extreme weather into the story. ;)
That's for Tuesday's Edition!;)
lovetennis
18-09-2016, 22:46
My feeling is that Andy felt he didn't have another set in him and had to
get it done in three.
He's in a worse state at the end of this than after his 5 setter against Kei in Birmingham. Imho.
And he looked bad enough there (It's my Avatar for that reason)
I just hope he has the time to recover fully before giving that much again.
My immediate response to Andy going off was that he was going to see Dan.
Andy Murray = Mr integrity. Never insincere. Always a Gent.
Win or loose I love and admire him.
As for feeling let down??????? I didn't feel let down.
I bet you anything you like although the team will be disappointed, not one of
them thinks anyone of the others has let them down.
They may blame themselves, but they shouldn't, not at all.
They all gave 100% and the highest quality of tennis ever in DC.
Just my two penerth.
100% correct in every way Jagmad :thumbup:
Gina Anderson
18-09-2016, 22:57
Brilliant weekend of tennis pity about the outcome but there's always next year
hfwardhouse
18-09-2016, 23:10
Home, hoarse and very tired. Another brilliant weekend with the mad crew! Love Davis Cup! Disappointed for Dan but he came up against Mayer playing really well. Hope Argentina win in Croatia.
Yellowlivi
19-09-2016, 02:25
Home and super tired but I had a great weekend with you all, thanks to everyone for organising it all. The team should be very proud for getting to the semis and have proved to doubters this year they definitely aren't a one man team. Kyle looked so sad at the end if Leon hadn't hugged him I'd have had to go and do it lol. They'll be back next year and Andy will surely play the first round to keep us away from relegation. Argentina deserved the win, I hope they take the title now Delpo is properly back. Congratulations to them.
I have to agree with many of the comments above that no one let anyone down. Leon made the choices he felt were right, he's been right so far. It must be horrendous to be in charge of making those decisions. I put my faith in him. No one can say what would have made the difference, if anything. So huge congrats and thanks to Leon for getting us into another semi.
As for Kyle, having seen him on Saturday I took the opportunity to tell him what I say here, which is that we wouldn't have been in the semis, if not for the brilliant performances he put in, in Serbia. They made the trip! He will blame himself for Friday and for the result, but I don't. He didn't let anyone down, he helped to give us an opportunity we couldn't take.
Dan - when the announcement came, that it would be Mayer, I was certain of the win. I thought after his injuries and with the home advantage Dan would be too strong. Boy was I wrong. Dan came up against a guy playing some of his best tennis. I guy going for every shot and getting it. He was on a mission. Dan couldn't stop him.
The semis aren't nothing. It's a fantastic achievement from the whole team. We did all we could, but they were stronger. I'm tired and may have no voice when I wake up, the result wasn't what we had hoped for, but it was fantastic. Watching the Argentinians celebrate, I couldn't hold a grudge. They deserve this. I'll be cheering them on in the final.
Mandiemoo
19-09-2016, 06:56
While the Express story is likely cobbled together from nothing, I for one, would not blame Andy for not competing in the Davis cup. And I would blame the stupid scheduling & lack of ranking points. Andy has given so, so much for it & to win it was almost unbelievable. But having the matches the week after Grand Slams is never going to appeal to the best players. And Andy is 30 next year, he must look after himself physically, mentally & emotionally. The immense pressure he faces to play 3 days & win 3 matches, how he bears it I don't know. I love Davis Cup, I have only seen Andy play once & it was at Braehead 2011 so I love the competition but fear it is too much to ask of Andy.
I know people have said it before, but I really do think the scheduling needs looking at. Perhaps for the sake of the players, (and the fans pockets), this would be better Bi-annually, syncing it so it doesn't hit Olympic years.
Thanks as ever for SALLY for all her stirling work on the ticket front, and for James for organising the bus. Absolutely exhausted this morning. However off in the sun to meet Patlowe for a visit to Dunblane. Then the charity thing on Wed. Looking forward to seeing Tim Henman, so even if Mr M has to pull out of playing it will still be worth it.
Still feel gutted - more that we lost after the Murray brothers amazing battles to draw us level, even though I know it was probably for the best for Mr M.
Hope that next year he does whatever is necessary to keep us in the World Group, but then focusses on his individual play the rest of the year.
roytennisfan
19-09-2016, 07:56
The timing of the ties after slams and the atp finals and dropping of ranking points really doesn't encourage the very best in the world to play. All credit to Andy for the number of ties he has played during the past few years.
JAMES4578
19-09-2016, 10:13
of course whilst the end result was a bit gutting , a fabulous weekend of tennis-so much excitement and the atmosphere at many times was electric! A pity we just came up short but Argentina were inspired and the team gave it the best they had. of course had Andy beaten Delpo the result would've been different but same can be said of Kyle and Dan, perhaps the younger players were just lacking a bit extra when it mattered. Certainly there was more pressure on Evo and whilst he acquitted himself well just couldn't sustain the momentum with Mayer playing such high quality tennis. Chances were looking up when it was announced that Juan wasn't competing in the deciding rubber but was never going to be straightforward and Mayer has in the past been just outside the top 20, obviously had the pedigree.Still it was awesome to reach the semis and still a valiant defence of the title,at times nations exit early as champions. With the demands of the tour and scheduling participation can take it toll on Muzzah and possibly he should take a step back next year and certainly not play all the ties,at the end of the day his decision though. I think it seem unjust that there are no longer ranking points for DC!
What a weekend of tennis - and the lads nearly pulled off a spectacular come-back. The team did the country proud. It's a real achievement to get the the SF (how happy we'd have been with that a few years ago!). The Argentinian team was just too good. I'm sure everything else I would say has already been said numerous times!
I'm glad that Andy now has time to let his body recover and he can focus on the remaining Masters and WTF.
:GBflag:
Well that was a roller coaster of a weekend, GB did us proud, just a pity about the result but we witnessed some fabulous tennis by both teams. Roll on the next one.
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Rosalind
19-09-2016, 14:50
Home after a 5 hours' sleep and 5am wake-up this morning... cos I needed another tiring day!
It was lovely to meet so many from the forum - only sorry I didn't manage to speak to others who I know by name only on here. I have yet to start reading all the comments and discussions on here. A bit stunned still that we won't be in the competition until next year. And I don't want to think that Croatia beat France and all that would have entailed for us. Tennis is harsh - there is only one winner in any tournament unless you are lower ranked and are content with reaching an earlier stage, there is always inevitable disappointment on a regular basis.
We are now one of the best tennis nations in the world - and we'll be back! :GBflag:
oh and I should add... how fabulous is Andy :superman:
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suttontennis
20-09-2016, 07:26
While the Express story is likely cobbled together from nothing, I for one, would not blame Andy for not competing in the Davis cup. And I would blame the stupid scheduling & lack of ranking points. Andy has given so, so much for it & to win it was almost unbelievable. But having the matches the week after Grand Slams is never going to appeal to the best players. And Andy is 30 next year, he must look after himself physically, mentally & emotionally. The immense pressure he faces to play 3 days & win 3 matches, how he bears it I don't know. I love Davis Cup, I have only seen Andy play once & it was at Braehead 2011 so I love the competition but fear it is too much to ask of Andy.
How long after AM takes a break from DC do we start seeing stories about him being 'unpatriotic' for not playing, not caring for the team cause, him thinking he's too important to play in the event, and not caring for the fans who come to see him play.I'd say that it would only take him missing one match, which lets was similar to the Argentina away tie (away, clay, other side of the world etc) , for the headlines to appear.
I'll say again, as long as it fits in with his schedule then he'l play DC.
I wonder what will happen if we got Australia in the first round? It'll be the weekend after the Aussie Open final.
Ah, suttontennis, the problem with the Argentina tie was not that Andy didn't play, but the manner of his announcement.
suttontennis
21-09-2016, 07:05
I was only using Argentina as an example of a future tie where many factors could come together to make Andy think about missing the tie, not referring specifically to the well documented events concerning the tie in 2008
Ok ..... sorry guys but I need a bit of a rant ....
1) Honestly, if I hear one more person say that the other players need to 'step up' or that they have let the side down and Andy carries it all on his own, I swear I will scream!!! In the years 2010 - 2013 those players won tie after tie (yes I know they were lowly ranked and hence not the quality of today's opposition). They got us back into the world group! If it hadn't been for Wardy we would have lost in the first round last year! Kyle won 2 rubbers in the quarters to help us through to the semis this year. Tim and Greg, both top 10 players at the time never managed to win a world group match. Yes, of course Andy wins more rubbers than anyone else, he is no 2 in the world so it's what we would expect.
2) If I hear one more person say how much Andy has 'sacrificed' for DC I will also scream! If anyone read the article about his 10 greatest moments in life ... no's 1 and 2 were non tennis related but no 3 was representing GB for the first time in DC. Does that not tell you something?! He ranked it above ANY of his grand slams. Can the people making these comments not see how much DC means to him?! I honestly don't think he sees it the way you do. You may think GS, no 1 etc are far important but does he? .... Having said that I do think he wants to get to no 1 and that may well be his priority next year. If that means having to step back from DC for a while, that's fine by me of course. But I seem to remember him saying he wouldn't commit to play this year (other than first round) but he changed his mind. I believe it means the world to him, that's why.
Rant over ....
Josephine
21-09-2016, 09:12
Fair points
But the 2 personal moments aside the top 10 moments he listed were in chronological order and first DC was therefore first. If you read his words, he is not indicating that it is above his slams or Olympics. He calls it an honour, but not greater than his later achievements
https://www.sundaypost.com/sport/tennis/becoming-dad-amazing-andy-murray-picks-10-magical-moments/
He has often discussed best moments and in the past chose Olympics 2012, though that may now have changed to Wimbledon 2016, Olympics 2016 or indeed Davis Cup 2015.
I don't think Andy did really enjoy DC for a while when he had no team mates good enough, but now he really enjoys the team spirit and that they have had a lot of success.
But having won a DC and got to next year's semi, Andy may now consider after March, that he wishes to concentrate on what he has not achieved - World No 1. And he knows that people are remembered for Slams. Berdy & Steppy anyone? I'm sure they are heroes in Czech republic, but not so much globally.
Caro......you missed out mention of Dan!!!! He rescued us twice in a 5th rubber.
Whilst I agree with much of what you say I also agree with Josephine.
Furthermore with the benefit of hindsight I wonder how Andy feels about his decision to play DC this year. I'm sure it was in no small part motivated by the real possibility of a second cup. However, it must be clear to him after Sunday that unless he can win both matches against a strong opposition (which Serbia wasn't really) then it's a bit of a lottery. He's exhausted himself. Can he face that again even in a non Olympic year. His heroics last year arguably cost him at the O2. I do also believe Lendl will have something to say in all this. I don't think he's come back on board to watch Andy be an also ran in the slams or challenge for #1. An ultimatum wouldn't surprise me. I'm pretty sure he's not a DC fan at the expense of other ambitions.
I think all the above posts make very valid points. Of course, we can't read Andy's mind but I would have thought that the number 1 ranking and the Oz and French Open titles would have been his goal - and probably Lendl's goal - for next year. All three are achievable and, if achieved, would surely mark Andy out as one of the best of all time irrespective of how many Majors he eventually goes on to win ............ oh, and if he could throw in the WTF as well, that would be the icing on the cake!
Haha pabbers, I didn't forget about Dan! Would I ever?! I said the other players got us back in the world group and the other examples I gave were whilst in the world group.
Josephine - I only had access to the list not the whole article at the time so fair point, I didn't realise it was chronological but now you have mentioned it, I can see that it clearly is.
I do understand everyone's point about Andy and DC but I just hate the way the word 'sacrificed' is used and particularly the slating of other players. Someone on our rival site even went as far as to say that Andy 'hauls their sorry a**** over the line'!!
Interestingly David Law for the Tennis Podcast did a poll entitled 'Should Andy Murray give up DC?'. i can't remember all the choices (there were 4) but one was 'Yes, slams no 1 priority' and another was 'No, he decides priorities'. Interestingly, 56% agreed with me, that it is his choice and only 17% said slams should be priority. I have felt like the lone voice at times so it's good to see I'm not alone.
I agree 100% that the choice is Andy's, Caro. But he has expressed a desire to be #1 so he's going to have to take stock of what he thinks achieving that entails.
In an interview with STV (http://stv.tv/sport/tennis/1367715-andy-murray-won-t-alter-2017-schedule-in-bid-to-become-world-s-best/) Andy said "the only event the Davis Cup had any impact on me was Indian Wells" referring to the gruelling match against Nishikori the week before and the "rest of the year haven't found [Davis Cup] much of a hindrance". Sounds like he's up for another bash next year. ;)
supergran
21-09-2016, 18:17
Haha pabbers, I didn't forget about Dan! Would I ever?! I said the other players got us back in the world group and the other examples I gave were whilst in the world group.
Josephine - I only had access to the list not the whole article at the time so fair point, I didn't realise it was chronological but now you have mentioned it, I can see that it clearly is.
I do understand everyone's point about Andy and DC but I just hate the way the word 'sacrificed' is used and particularly the slating of other players. Someone on our rival site even went as far as to say that Andy 'hauls their sorry a**** over the line'!!
Interestingly David Law for the Tennis Podcast did a poll entitled 'Should Andy Murray give up DC?'. i can't remember all the choices (there were 4) but one was 'Yes, slams no 1 priority' and another was 'No, he decides priorities'. Interestingly, 56% agreed with me, that it is his choice and only 17% said slams should be priority. I have felt like the lone voice at times so it's good to see I'm not alone.
You are not a lone voice Carolyn. I have always had the opinion that it should be Andy's decision......it's his career and his life. I don't often join in with these discussions for that reason but just wanted to assure you......YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
I'm so glad others recognise the effort of the other players, and the contribution Wardy made in THAT match last year. (not to mention in San Diego R1 the year before!) - Jim Courier must hate Wardy LOLOLOL - I know he's not had a good time of it since, but we know the reasons behind that. If he were to retire from tennis next year (please not till after the Nottingham Challenger!) then I'll always have that match - and his practice shirt from the QF ;)
I'd cry probably, just like we all will when Andy hangs up his racquet. It's a team effort, yes Andy is needed to win both his rubbers, but others do help, Wardy, Dan and Jamie B all "dragged their sorry arses" over the lines many times, pulling ties back from the brinks of defeat. Had you told me 6 years ago that we would win the cup in 2015 and then reach the SF the following year, i'd have laughed - it didn't seem possible, but it happened.
I suspect Andy wants to get it again
WimbledonWestie
21-09-2016, 22:45
Haven't read through all the posts as yet but Andy was asked about the laver cup and he said the timing wasn't great in terms of Davis cup (as its so close to semis) which made me think he hoped to be involved in DC next year and hopefully playing semis.
I'm with Caro- and Supergran- it's up to Andy and if he wants to play it then go for it. He clearly believes he can play DC and be no 1 so good on him.
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