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GB vs Argentina - home tie
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RosieBear
19-07-2016, 22:52
Hope it's at Birmingham again. Great venue - nice and big so hopefully no disappointed fans this year, plus hotel and restaurants near by. Can't fault it. Plus it is available on 16-18 Sept, which is a good start :thumbup:
I must check and see how many "ABG" t-shirts I have left. I sense they could be popular again. ;)
RosieBear
19-07-2016, 23:18
I must check and see how many "ABG" t-shirts I have left. I sense they could be popular again. ;)
Change it to ABE (for Emirates) and I'll take 10. Sorry, but it's a right dump of a venue :p
Happy for it to be at the Hydro as I've heard it's far better, but apparently the roof is too low.:shrug:
exislander
19-07-2016, 23:43
Hope it's at Birmingham again. Great venue - nice and big so hopefully no disappointed fans this year, plus hotel and restaurants near by. Can't fault it. Plus it is available on 16-18 Sept, which is a good start :thumbup:
Ah, but is it available from a week before?
exislander
19-07-2016, 23:49
Change it to ABE (for Emirates) and I'll take 10. Sorry, but it's a right dump of a venue :p
Happy for it to be at the Hydro as I've heard it's far better, but apparently the roof is too low.:shrug:
Andy is at the Hydro on 21st September???
Davis Cup have rules about roof height I believe.
Yes DC do have rules about roof heights
Depending on where it is depends on how I get there :D
lovetennis
20-07-2016, 06:59
I was thinking Glasgow would be likely due to the last home tie being in England but the roof at the Hydro was mentioned as too low last year. Mind you so was the roof in Ghent but the Belgians managed to get approval. Another opiton may be Manchester Arena. I recall the LTA wanted last year's semi there but a concert booking got in the way. The venue is showing no events for the semi dates or for a few weeks before - not impossible that they took out an option on the dates a while ago.
angiebabez
20-07-2016, 09:06
Glasgow i hope!! Mainly for selfish reasona...im skint & dont know if i could stretch to another weekend of travel, tixs & accomodation! Hydro is a fab venue...right near of town with many bars, hotels restaurants nearby. Plus court is gonna be getting laid anyway for andys exho
Not sure if the roof being too low was a rumour last year. Ive been in it many times & its certainly not lower than gent! All the articles ive read seem to have hydro & brum as front runners & theres been no mention of the roof
I'll be in Portugal AGAIN :grrr:
Howdie65
20-07-2016, 11:30
Anywhere but the Hydro please!!!! Hate that venue ha ha. Needed binoculars when I saw a show there and I bought the most expensive tickets!. Trains were ridiculously busy and we queued for ages to get on and we almost missed the start even though we had loads of time to go the short distance from Central station. It was pandemonium. Sorry to be a doommonger but that was my experience and hence why I didn't book for Andy's charity event.
I would just love it to be in the North West. I've not had the courage to go to a venue that requires an overnight, but I'd love my DC experience to start abit closer to home. Love to meet you guys in person too.
exislander
20-07-2016, 14:57
Anywhere but the Hydro please!!!! Hate that venue ha ha. Needed binoculars when I saw a show there and I bought the most expensive tickets!. Trains were ridiculously busy and we queued for ages to get on and we almost missed the start even though we had loads of time to go the short distance from Central station. It was pandemonium. Sorry to be a doommonger but that was my experience and hence why I didn't book for Andy's charity event.
Think I would just walk from Central - about 30 mins maybe? And fairly level unlike Belgrade! I understand what you say about the binoculars though I have never been there. Hope you had no serious delays on Monday!
Not everyone can walk 30 mins and transport/taxis may be a problem?
exislander
20-07-2016, 15:29
Not everyone can walk 30 mins and transport/taxis may be a problem?
I suppose it is the same everywhere but I think the Hydro is nearer the centre of Glasgow than Emirates and should always be taxis around Central Station. I am sure there are hotels close to the Hydro but not everyone can afford their prices.
RosieBear
20-07-2016, 15:45
Ah, but is it available from a week before?
Yes, it's available in the run up. Whereas Manchester MEN isn't, so don't think it will be there (mentioned as a possible venue on the hotel thread).
I wonder why Clancy doesn't think it will be B'ham or Glasgow. What's your thinking, Clancy?
I just hope it's in the biggest arena available. It was a debacle to play a world group semi in a 8,000 capacity venue last year, could have filled an arena 3x that size, so many people were left disappointed. Just hope the LTA give more people a chance this time round - not holding my breath though, they couldn't grow potatoes never mind grow tennis' profile in the country.
It's so exciting speculating where SF might be! It's so lovely to be in the position of anticipating ANOTHER SF....thanks to all those wonderful efforts in Belgrade! I can't wait to start making arrangements once we know the venue. I wonder when it will be announced?
I just hope it's in the biggest arena available. It was a debacle to play a world group semi in a 8,000 capacity venue last year, could have filled an arena 3x that size, so many people were left disappointed. Just hope the LTA give more people a chance this time round
From memory, for last years semi the only 2 available arenas with 8000+ (tennis) capacity seemed to be Emirates and Wembley Arena and their capacities were fairly similar.
Again this year I'd like the semi to be in the largest available venue, wherever that is.
My concern with the Hydro is that most of the crowd would be on one side of the court and a lot of those seats would be very high up and a long way from the court.
lovetennis
20-07-2016, 17:15
Echo Arena in Liverpool maybe? The only event in Sept is a Who concert on the 7th so just enough time to get the court laid. Liverpool hosted DC in 2009. Nice arena but not sure of the capacity
Edit: Hawkeye is saying on the hotel thread that Liverpool arena is too small. Shame as it's a good venue otherwise
roytennisfan
20-07-2016, 17:20
I was thinking Glasgow would be likely due to the last home tie being in England but the roof at the Hydro was mentioned as too low last year. Mind you so was the roof in Ghent but the Belgians managed to get approval. Another opiton may be Manchester Arena. I recall the LTA wanted last year's semi there but a concert booking got in the way. The venue is showing no events for the semi dates or for a few weeks before - not impossible that they took out an option on the dates a while ago.
Manchester Arena Shows on 13th Benny Hinn- bible teachings, we won't have a prayer
I would just love it to be in the North West. I've not had the courage to go to a venue that requires an overnight, but I'd love my DC experience to start abit closer to home. Love to meet you guys in person too.
Manchester Arena would be great for me. There is an event on the 13th & 14th that is asking for donations for tickets so I'm sure they can be bought off, unlike Florence & The Machine. However I have to say that the atmosphere in Glasgow was superb so would totally understand if it was there
lovetennis
20-07-2016, 17:28
Manchester Arena Shows on 13th Benny Hinn- bible teachings, we won't have a prayer
:laugh:
Yes just spotted that. As Karrig says, maybe a good LTA donation in the collection plate might see Benny off. As an arena I dislike it but it does have the required capacity and on a purely selfish note I won't need accommodation
roytennisfan
20-07-2016, 18:13
Think they could get up to 18k in if there was demand, a picture showed very few Argentinian fans in Italy
Would love it to be Queens (the best DC venue so far) or Wimbledon again. Make the Argies play on grass. But anywhere but Glasgow!
angiebabez
20-07-2016, 19:14
Not everyone can walk 30 mins and transport/taxis may be a problem?
Theres a station attached to hydro, acsessed via a covered bridge. 1 stop to central takes minutes at the most
Malarkey99
20-07-2016, 20:19
Yes I'd like Glasgow too for entirely selfish reasons - it would be closest to me - but to be honest just to have a home tie is great as when we get through ;) the final will be an away tie in Croatia or France.
Well done guys getting the forum up & running again - Serbia was fab - sad to see last years Ghent chat lost.
Would love it to be Queens (the best DC venue so far) or Wimbledon again. Make the Argies play on grass. But anywhere but Glasgow!
Having just come off the US Open, and with the far east swing to go to, sadly grass is just not be an option.
RosieBear
20-07-2016, 20:27
Yes I'd like Glasgow too for entirely selfish reasons - it would be closest to me - but to be honest just to have a home tie is great as when we get through ;) the final will be an away tie in Croatia or France.
Well done guys getting the forum up & running again - Serbia was fab - sad to see last years Ghent chat lost.
Nope M99, if/when GB makes the final it would be away against France but home against Croatia. Definitely hoping for the latter:peace: Think we've all had our fill of away final ticket scrambles.:hmm:
lovetennis
20-07-2016, 20:57
Nope M99, if/when GB makes the final it would be away against France but home against Croatia. Definitely hoping for the latter:peace: Think we've all had our fill of away final ticket scrambles.:hmm:
Will be cheering on Croatia in the other semi.Stayed up late to watch Coric beat Sock in the QF because I wanted Croatia to win, at least giving us a 50-50 chance of a home final. Think the LTA will be keeping the Millennium Stadium in their back pocket for a home final, so I don't think they'll go for a Cardiff semi. Hope they announce sooner than last time or AMFF will have booked up every PI up and down the UK
Having just come off the US Open, and with the far east swing to go to, sadly grass is just not be an option.
But the September tie was at Wimbledon two years running, a few years ago!
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 05:52
Yes, our play offs against Croatia and Austria were at Wimbledon, in 07 & 08. Would love the semi to be there, esp now there's the roof (although previous ties were on Court 1). Linda's right, let's get the Argies on the grass!
Sorry to disappoint, but Wimbledon re-seeds after the championships - I doubt it would be avaialble in September - before anyone shouts "olympics" -
that was different, they had 4 years notice ;)
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 06:39
Sorry to disappoint, but Wimbledon re-seeds after the championships - I doubt it would be avaialble in September - before anyone shouts "olympics" -
that was different, they had 4 years notice ;)
It was available in Sept 07 and 08 without 4 years notice.
Silverdee
21-07-2016, 06:50
Was that on court one?
Silverdee
21-07-2016, 07:15
Just seen the answer on Rosiebears post above. What about the weather as I gather rules prevent tie being played on Centre Court? Also, would transition from hard for US Open to grass be tricky?
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 07:53
Just seen the answer on Rosiebears post above. What about the weather as I gather rules prevent tie being played on Centre Court? Also, would transition from hard for US Open to grass be tricky?
Only managed the dubs (so missed baby Andy) but can't recall weather being a problem. Wasn't scorchio, but no rain.
Malarkey99
21-07-2016, 09:20
That's good re Croatia then, cheer them on, I was just quoting my friend. Should check info myself first eh?!!!!
themass15
21-07-2016, 09:26
Nothing to stop it being on grass in my opinion and it was almost a week later! Wish I could go. Wimbledon is on my doorstep!!!!!
themass15
21-07-2016, 09:29
I am sure Centre Court could be ready for a semi-final tie and the roof makes it just PERFECT!!!!!
IF :cauldron: we make it to the final and it's at home against Croatia (please, please, please) the Millenium Stadium would be fantastic. I've got tickets for Ross Noble at the Millenium Centre on the Sunday evening, so that would be just perfect to pop across from one to the other. Knowing my luck though...........
themass15
21-07-2016, 09:38
Great venue which I would absolutely love to go to!!!!!
Sallydaisy
21-07-2016, 09:45
Yes, our play offs against Croatia and Austria were at Wimbledon, in 07 & 08. Would love the semi to be there, esp now there's the roof (although previous ties were on Court 1). Linda's right, let's get the Argies on the grass!
A couple of things relating to Wimbledon:
1. Centre Court grass is already off so with/without the roof we can't play the DC tie on that Court.
2. 07/08 September ties were played on Court 1 BUT that won't be possible this year because work has already started on dismantling parts of the stands and supporting structures in preparation for the new roof being fitted. (I think they are following the same process as for Centre Court i.e. removing the upper structures between now and June 2017 so the Court is usable for the Championships that year (maybe with fewer upper seats?), construction of the new infrastructure between July 2017 and June 2018 and installation of the roof between July 2018 and June 2019 so it's ready for full use as a covered court by July 2019 Championships. )
JAMES4578
21-07-2016, 10:19
Whilst we have had September grass ties before always a risk with the weather and few options now,might have been a bit different had we been facing Argentina in July. In any case coming right after the US Open an indoor hart court suiting out team would make more sense.
suttontennis
21-07-2016, 11:00
I don't feel grass gives us a big advantage, Del Potro (assuming he stays fit) is comfortable on grass and he is a big factor in the match. I recall us playing on damp mornings at Wimbledon in September and players constantly slipping in the shaded areas of the court.
How about an indoor grass court ? I think Andy prefers the low slow indoor court they've used at Glasgow and Birmingham.
dewster99
21-07-2016, 11:10
For selfish reasons I hope it isn't Glasgow but in terms of player preference they'd probably want it there
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 11:12
IF :cauldron: we make it to the final and it's at home against Croatia (please, please, please) the Millenium Stadium would be fantastic. I've got tickets for Ross Noble at the Millenium Centre on the Sunday evening, so that would be just perfect to pop across from one to the other. Knowing my luck though...........
That would be wonderful Mrs P - hope it happens, for you, and because *Wales deserves it share of DC ties*. It gets overlooked too often.
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 11:14
For selfish reasons I hope it isn't Glasgow but in terms of player preference they'd probably want it there
Why? Surely they'll want it in biggest arena possible to grow the sport and maximise home advantage.:shrug:
I didn't think it was allowed to be Birmingham I thought it couldn't be the same place two home ties in a row. The atmosphere was amazing in Serbia and I loved being there with the forum. I should imagine wherever it is we can create the same. Glasgow was great for the semis as a venue but if the get picked again I'd hope for more food on offer 😂
If it's Glasgow, I think it would be the Emirates again. I think Cardiff will be chosen to host the final, if we get Croatia.
dewster99
21-07-2016, 12:33
Why? Surely they'll want it in biggest arena possible to grow the sport and maximise home advantage.:shrug:
History of great atmosphere there and the players seem to love it, especially the Murray's as they get to play in Scotland
And he's in Glasgow the following midweek.
I didn't think it was allowed to be Birmingham I thought it couldn't be the same place two home ties in a row. The atmosphere was amazing in Serbia and I loved being there with the forum. I should imagine wherever it is we can create the same. Glasgow was great for the semis as a venue but if the get picked again I'd hope for more food on offer
Well we had several home ties on the trot in Braehead.
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 16:01
History of great atmosphere there and the players seem to love it, especially the Murray's as they get to play in Scotland
Andy prior to last year's semi: "It doesn't matter where the tie is played. It's just about getting the crowd. I want to play at the best possible venue where we can get the most amount of people".
My outlook is exactly the same as Andy's - biggest is best. I actually think, that after last year's ticketing fiasco that left thousands of fans disappointed, there would be outrage if they play it in the Emirates when a far bigger venue (B'ham) is available. Hardly seems fair to disappoint fans (again) unnecessarily.
Would also be great to have home final in the massive Millennium Stadium - everyone who wanted to go could be accommodated.:thumbup:
Andy prior to last year's semi: "It doesn't matter where the tie is played. It's just about getting the crowd. I want to play at the best possible venue where we can get the most amount of people".
My outlook is exactly the same as Andy's - biggest is best. I actually think, that after last year's ticketing fiasco that left thousands of fans disappointed, there would be outrage if they play it in the Emirates when a far bigger venue (B'ham) is available. Hardly seems fair to disappoint fans (again) unnecessarily.
Barclaycard is slightly bigger than Emirates for tennis - 9000 vs 8200.
Although I don't know why they didn't build bigger end stands at the Emirates, there seemed to be space.
But yes, I agree the largest available arena would be the best choice, apart from the hugely lopsided ones (Hydro & Leeds)
RosieBear
21-07-2016, 16:28
Barclaycard is slightly bigger than Emirates for tennis - 9000 vs 8200.
Although I don't know why they didn't build bigger end stands at the Emirates, there seemed to be space.
But yes, I agree the largest available arena would be the best choice, apart from the hugely lopsided ones (Hydro & Leeds)
Didn't realise there was that little in it - Barclaycard really drops down when configured for tennis then. You're the expert on this JimG - which is the biggest available arena in the country? That's where I'll want it.
Hydro & Leeds would both be around the 10,000 mark but I'm hoping those will be ruled out due to their layout
Barclaycard & Emirates seem to be the only available, and easy to setup, venues with 8000+ capacity.
If only they could postpone the miracle working events from Manchester, we could get a crowd of 17,500 in there.
Sallydaisy
21-07-2016, 17:21
Hydro & Leeds would both be around the 10,000 mark but I'm hoping those will be ruled out due to their layout
Barclaycard & Emirates seem to be the only available, and easy to setup, venues with 8000+ capacity.
If only they could postpone the miracle working events from Manchester, we could get a crowd of 17,500 in there.
I guess it depends on what the venues charge the LTA. Since the City of Glasgow owns the Emirates might they offer a better price deal than the Hydro? And there is 'history' in that Emirates hosted the Semi-Final.
In 2015 the Great Britain Davis Cup team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_Davis_Cup_team) played the United States in the first round and Australia in the Semi-final at the 2015 Davis Cup (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Davis_Cup), featuring top British player and world number three Andy Murray (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Murray). The arena capacity was expanded to 8,200 for the semi-final to comply with requirements for the Davis Cup.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Arena_and_Sir_Chris_Hoy_Velodrome#cit e_note-4)
I remember, pabbers, every time for quite some time it always seemed to be Glasgow for the home ties. Then, we lost to Belgium.
I guess if we made it to the final the 02 could be an option having just been used for the wtf though if those prices are anything to go by it would be expensive. For the semis Birmingham had better parking and food than Glasgow but Glasgow had the better set up. It's a shame Manchester isn't available a local tie would be good lol. I wonder if they'd look at a Yorkshire venue for Kyle?
Leeds First Direct arena is currently free
Rosalind
21-07-2016, 19:06
Glasgow wins for atmosphere - there is nothing like seeing the Murrays on their home turf.
I really, really don't want to go to Glasgow yet again.
But I am looking forward to a trip to France for the final :cauldron:
jeannie13
21-07-2016, 19:36
SO you keep telling us, Linda. :red devil:You really love Glasgow:laugh:
banskogirl
21-07-2016, 21:01
Hi all, I won't be able to go in September as not allowed to fly until November but just checking, was Glasgow not the only place mentioned by Leon when interviewed after the win in Serbia?
I don't mind that much where the tie is, it's not going to be in the echo near me as its too small and Manchester always has stuff on. So I'd be travelling either way. A home final would be great though :) it seems most people think Birmingham or Glasgow for the semi. Any ideas when they will announce?
suttontennis
22-07-2016, 06:54
Leeds First Direct arena is currently free
Isn't this arena more like a 'Theatre' type setup, ie all seats are in front of the stage, rather than a typical arena with seats on 3 sides and potential for a temporary stand at the back.
If so it would not be suitable for a tennis match, unless the arena is large to put in 3 temporary stands.
suttontennis
22-07-2016, 06:59
I don't mind that much where the tie is, it's not going to be in the echo near me as its too small and Manchester always has stuff on. So I'd be travelling either way. A home final would be great though :) it seems most people think Birmingham or Glasgow for the semi. Any ideas when they will announce?
The LTA are delaying the decision to give people on the forum chance to get to know each other again after the crash at the weekend. Actually, they have to announce by August 5th. it normally takes at least a couple of weeks after the previous tie has ended.
Sallydaisy
22-07-2016, 07:14
The LTA are delaying the decision to give people on the forum chance to get to know each other again after the crash at the weekend.
Interesting notion ...
;)
Actually, they have to announce by August 5th. it normally takes at least a couple of weeks after the previous tie has ended.
They will have needed to submit proposed venues to the DC organisation before the Quarter-Final.
I think that they also have to give an idea of a venue for the Final ahead of the Semi taking place.
themass15
22-07-2016, 08:46
Manchester or Cardiff would be great but, as I cannot go to the semi-final, I am not really in a position to say.
All I know is that wherever it is in the UK, it is likely to cost more than my whole trip to Serbia!! .... unless it's in Birmingham ;) And even then it won't be far off! Start saving quick folks!
RosieBear
22-07-2016, 13:32
Manchester or Cardiff would be great but, as I cannot go to the semi-final, I am not really in a position to say.
Well I'm going, so I'll say how great Manchester, but especially Cardiff would be :) The Millennium Stadium appears to be available so I wonder why there has been no rumour of having the semi there :confused: There is no reason why it couldn't host both the semi, and the final should GB reach it - other venues had hosted consecutive ties, granted not of that magnitude, but don't see why anyone could begrudge Wales SF & F seeing as they have had nothing else. Plus it would be horrible if Cardiff missed out again because it was another away final.
What's more, Cardiff is big - who knows how more home ties of this level we'll have so the LTA really needs to be making hay, and holding ties in venues of this size to raisie the profile of tennis.
Tennis isn't a big sport in Serbia and many Serbians tend to be Novak fans ahead of being tennis fans, and look what happened when Novak didn't play DC even though they have a pretty good team without him. Conversely, tennis is the second biggest sport in France, and the French support all their players despite not having a 'superstar'.
Having Andy has been amazing for British tennis, but the LTA really needs to convert 'Andy followers' into 'tennis fans' by holding ties in every part of GB in great big venues to really increase interest in the sport. I know I've laboured the point:shamed:, but another Andy isn't going to come along anytime soon and I am desperate to see the LTA use his popularity to grow the sport I love.
@ Rosie Bear - I agree with you re Cardiff, and Wales needing and deserving a turn, but I think that due to Mr M playing at The Hydro on the 21st, it's almost certain to be Glasgow somewhere. They will need him, particularly if Del Po plays. They do rightly, think about his needs
Think I posted on the hotels thread that for Glasgow don't forget about the SECC - I checked the website and it looks to be free. Roof height according to the website is 9m which I believe is minimum DC requirement, and I think the main hall would be big enough? Anyone know?
Think I posted on the hotels thread that for Glasgow don't forget about the SECC - I checked the website and it looks to be free. Roof height according to the website is 9m which I believe is minimum DC requirement, and I think the main hall would be big enough? Anyone know?
Minimum world group height requirement is actually 12m, although Ghent got away with 11.97m
A large proportion of the seating in SECC Hall 4 is also floor seating so it just wouldn't have the required capacity either.
Well I'm going, so I'll say how great Manchester, but especially Cardiff would be :) The Millennium Stadium appears to be available so I wonder why there has been no rumour of having the semi there
Agree with you about Cardiff RB, would be amazing to have a 25000+ crowd at the semi!
I think the main problem is it would be a complex & expensive option, they'd need to build the court in 1 corner of the ground and build 2 temporary stands.
France did something similar for the 2014 final in Lille but that stadium was specifically designed to be multi-purpose.
Just noticed that the Millennium Stadium is currently not available for the final, due to a couple of Wales matches!
angiebabez
22-07-2016, 14:23
Jimmy G the fountain of all knowledge ;)
Jimmy G the fountain of all knowledge ;)
Wikipedia expert ;)
RosieBear
22-07-2016, 14:53
@ Rosie Bear - I agree with you re Cardiff, and Wales needing and deserving a turn, but I think that due to Mr M playing at The Hydro on the 21st, it's almost certain to be Glasgow somewhere. They will need him, particularly if Del Po plays. They do rightly, think about his needs
I'm pretty sure seasoned global traveller Andy could just about manage Cardiff to Glasgow in a 3-day turnaround if it meant playing in front of 25k adoring fans!:)
I'm pretty sure seasoned global traveller Andy could just about manage Cardiff to Glasgow in a 3-day turnaround if it meant playing in front of 25k adoring fans!:)
True, but he is a busy man. Holding both events in Glasgow mean he, Kim and the little one can decamp to Dunblane for a few days and combine the tennis with catching up with family. Two birds with one tennis ball so to speak:-)
Pure speculation but the plans which will already be well advanced for Andy's charity match at the Hydro might not meet Davis Cup requirements and I don't mean court dimensions. ;) Also how is the charity event being funded? From a portion of the ticket fee? If the LTA were to become involved do they now make a contribution to the charity. The Hydro might seem the obvious venue but maybe there are complications which means it's easier to go elsewhere.
Agree with you about Cardiff RB, would be amazing to have a 25000+ crowd at the semi!
I think the main problem is it would be a complex & expensive option, they'd need to build the court in 1 corner of the ground and build 2 temporary stands.
France did something similar for the 2014 final in Lille but that stadium was specifically designed to be multi-purpose.
Just noticed that the Millennium Stadium is currently not available for the final, due to a couple of Wales matches!
Nooooooooooo!!!!!
lovetennis
22-07-2016, 17:44
Nooooooooooo!!!!!
JimmyG is right, Mill Stadium is booked on the Final date. Ironically the sponsor is Under Armour
RosieBear
22-07-2016, 18:21
JimmyG is right, Mill Stadium is booked on the Final date. Ironically the sponsor is Under Armour
What a shame.:sad: poor Cardiff always missing out. Could still have the semi there though. And I'm sorry Teresa, but can't believe that if he had the choice that Andy would opt for 8k venue in Glasgow ahead of 25k venue in Cardiff, leaving 17k fans disappointed not to get tickets, just so he could play near his Nana's house. If the LTA get their act together and book a massive venue such as Mil St I'm sure Andy would be happy with it.
banskogirl
22-07-2016, 21:26
I am just about to go off to the boat for the Lake District for two weeks with not internet but just thought I'd come on with a great idea..............Belfast!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then I could go :)
No? I think someone explained before why we can never have it but this would be a good year to break the rules!
Also just checking if BB would go without me or if his friend would go too would I be able to ask for tickets for them? He texted me straight away to say it's a home tie in September but I had to remind him that I can't fly :crying:
I am just about to go off to the boat for the Lake District for two weeks with not internet but just thought I'd come on with a great idea..............Belfast!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then I could go :)
No? I think someone explained before why we can never have it but this would be a good year to break the rules!
Also just checking if BB would go without me or if his friend would go too would I be able to ask for tickets for them? He texted me straight away to say it's a home tie in September but I had to remind him that I can't fly :crying:
I have been dying to post SSE Arena in Belfast all afternoon Claire! Glad you did! It's only 10 minutes from City Airport and there is a PI right beside it! And it's where Andy got his SPOTY! Holds about 8000 I think? Approx same size as Emirates. Ah, the stuff dreams are made of! :jitterbug: Have a good time in the Lake District.
banskogirl
22-07-2016, 22:41
Thanks Pat :) I've sneaked my walking boots into the car!
Capacity for ice-hockey in Belfast is 7,200 so doesn't seem like it would be big enough.
Ah shame! Never mind. Thank you JimmyG. We've all given our local venues a wee plug so que sera, sera! Wherever it is I hope to be there anyway!
JAMES4578
23-07-2016, 10:48
In any case The Irish Davis Cup team represents Northern Ireland too rather than Britain, so unfortunately there is no way NI could host a GB tie. I really think the semi final will be held in either Glasgow or Birmingham with chances for other cities being remote,well unless the prayer meeting in Manchester can be moved!
lovetennis
23-07-2016, 11:37
In any case The Irish Davis Cup team represents Northern Ireland too rather than Britain, so unfortunately there is no way NI could host a GB tie. I really think the semi final will be held in either Glasgow or Birmingham with chances for other cities being remote,well unless the prayer meeting in Manchester can be moved!
I think you're right James, Glasgow and Birmingham are looking the most likely. Although we love a moan (me included) about the LTA being slow at getting the venue sorted, I can see it must be a nightmare. Arenas get booked up months in advance by music artistes, but the LTA only know a few months ahead if they actually need a venue. Although they could take out options on venues just in case, that would cost a fortune (and they already charge us very high ticket prices so I doubt we'd want to be paying even more to compensate the LTA for un-needed venue costs). I know they have to nominate venues prior to playing the previous round, so the fact Leon mentioned Glasgow and Birmingham makes me think they were nominated. I can't see it ever being at Manchester - it rarely has a 10 day period with no bookings only a few months before, but size-wise it would be good (I dislike it intensely for music events, the acoustics are awful, but it would be a good sports venue)
I've seen a few gigs at what I still call the MEN I don't care what it calls itself lol. The acoustics are really bad. I think it's in need of a revamp as the loos are pretty decayed too. It would be good as a sports venue though. It seems it's always full though :(
I so hope you are right James and Kath. I have provisionally booked Sandyford in Glasgow (same as you Kath!) and Ibis, New Street in Brum on the strength that these are the likely 2 venues. I wonder should I do likewise in Cardiff though? Shame we can't provisionally book air fares too!
lovetennis
23-07-2016, 14:50
I so hope you are right James and Kath. I have provisionally booked Sandyford in Glasgow (same as you Kath!) and Ibis, New Street in Brum on the strength that these are the likely 2 venues. I wonder should I do likewise in Cardiff though? Shame we can't provisionally book air fares too!
Definitely worth a cancellable booking Pat, especially as Cardiff seemed more expensive for accommodation than the other cities.
LC the fan
23-07-2016, 15:55
Why does it have to be indoors ? September usually gives us great weather (my nephew has a birthday on 23rd and it was always sunny for his parties) OK it does get dark fairly early but they could start earlier.
Wimbledon would be the answer with the roof but, of course, they like to protect their grass. But they got ready for the Olympics after the championships 4 years ago so if they put their mind to it I'm sure they could have it ready for September. Is expense the problem ?
suttontennis
23-07-2016, 16:08
A couple of things relating to Wimbledon:
1. Centre Court grass is already off so with/without the roof we can't play the DC tie on that Court.
2. 07/08 September ties were played on Court 1 BUT that won't be possible this year because work has already started on dismantling parts of the stands and supporting structures in preparation for the new roof being fitted. (I think they are following the same process as for Centre Court i.e. removing the upper structures between now and June 2017 so the Court is usable for the Championships that year (maybe with fewer upper seats?), construction of the new infrastructure between July 2017 and June 2018 and installation of the roof between July 2018 and June 2019 so it's ready for full use as a covered court by July 2019 Championships. )
I think this will help answer the previous post.
Definitely worth a cancellable booking Pat, especially as Cardiff seemed more expensive for accommodation than the other cities.
Done!
I'll go to the moon if needs be not fussy where if I get a ticket:thanks::GBflag::GBflag::cheer::cheer::cheer ::cheer:
A couple of things relating to Wimbledon:
1. Centre Court grass is already off so with/without the roof we can't play the DC tie on that Court.
I don't understand the ruling on this, what DC rule does it break?
Sallydaisy
24-07-2016, 07:34
I don't understand the ruling on this, what DC rule does it break?
My post began with the words 'a couple of things relating to Wimbledon' ...
... so by definition I wasn't relating to ANY DC Rules.
The simple fact is that Centre Court is already stripped of grass and being prepped for 2017.
Therefore it can't be ready in 8 weeks time for DC SF tie.
It would seem they're ONLY prepared to make an exception for the Olympics if/when held in London and probably because the August 2012 timing meant they had just enough time to ensure ALL the courts could be ready for 2013.
Plus with the Olympics they had 7ish years notice ;)
Renovations haven't started on Centre Court yet (I asked the groundsman) but they are starting on it next week so that is definitely out. To get the courts in such a fantastic condition for next year they have to start early. Olympics was an exception.
Sallydaisy
24-07-2016, 10:24
Renovations haven't started on Centre Court yet (I asked the groundsman) but they are starting on it next week so that is definitely out. To get the courts in such a fantastic condition for next year they have to start early. Olympics was an exception.I thought I saw the turf being removed in a photo posted last week ... hence my post.
:confused:
Anyhow, what you've said confirms it can't be used for the DC SF.
Arrived back home from a very hot and sunny London to find they still haven't announced the venue.
I guess it doesn't matter where it is If I get tickets We'll be going regardless. I'm excited already
I thought I saw the turf being removed in a photo posted last week ... hence my post.
:confused:
Anyhow, what you've said confirms it can't be used for the DC SF.
It was a photo of Court 1. They have renovated a few courts already but because Centre hadn't been mentioned I wondered if they were keeping it for DC so I asked him on Twitter and he said that it was on the agenda for next week. They certainly don't hang about getting them ripped up
emjay1970
25-07-2016, 08:05
I'll be working in Glasgow that week, and travelling on the Monday so praying for Glasgow....!!!
My post began with the words 'a couple of things relating to Wimbledon' ...
... so by definition I wasn't relating to ANY DC Rules.
The simple fact is that Centre Court is already stripped of grass and being prepped for 2017.
Therefore it can't be ready in 8 weeks time for DC SF tie.
It would seem they're ONLY prepared to make an exception for the Olympics if/when held in London and probably because the August 2012 timing meant they had just enough time to ensure ALL the courts could be ready for 2013.
Thanks, I thought I had missed a rule or something similar. I wasn't aware it took a year to re do the courts. I always had images of them rolling up the old turf after Wimby and putting down new in a matter or days/weeks so that they could be used by members for the rest of the year - or at least the outer courts.
I would have thought fresh green slippy grass courts are best avoided if possible. Those first few days at Queens and Wimbledon always seem fraught with danger.
I guess it doesn't matter where it is If I get tickets We'll be going regardless. I'm excited already
+1
Sallydaisy
27-07-2016, 14:12
Bye bye grass ...
Wimbledon @Wimbledon 11m11 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Wimbledon/status/758300675608612864) LIVE on #Periscope (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Periscope?src=hash) (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Periscope?src=hash): Those of you with the post-#Wimbledon (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Wimbledon?src=hash) blues may want to look away... The Centre Court grass is being taken up
I suddenly remembered, I think the LTA announced the venue for last year's semi final tie in early August last year.
angiebabez
28-07-2016, 09:37
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-set-glasgow-return-8445082#ICID=sharebar_twitter
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis/andy-murray-set-glasgow-return-8445082#ICID=sharebar_twitter
Article is from 19 July so probably just speculation (aka made up stuff) from the Record I think
Sallydaisy
28-07-2016, 10:34
Article is from 19 July so probably just speculation (aka made up stuff) from the Record I think
... and possibly based on his OTHER event being held at the Hydro later in September.
I suddenly remembered, I think the LTA announced the venue for last year's semi final tie in early August last year.
I think the deadline for confirming is 6 August -6 weeks before the tie, as per DC rules. But extensions to the deadline can be given.......
angiebabez
28-07-2016, 18:18
Someone from murraynators phoned LTA today & they said announcement early next week!
suttontennis
29-07-2016, 08:25
Someone from murraynators phoned LTA today & they said announcement early next week!
as confirmed by the recent LTA announcement, although it doesn't actually say when, other than there will be news !
I think our team will be the Murray brothers, Kyle Edmund and Dom Inglot. I would like to see del Potro turn up and play Andy.
RosieBear
02-08-2016, 13:12
Someone from murraynators phoned LTA today & they said announcement early next week!
It's 'early next week' now and still no word. Typical LTA. Come on, we want the chuffing venue announcement!
Malarkey99
02-08-2016, 15:35
Friday is the deadline.
Post just now on Murryanators says announcement on Wednesday (email from ITF) & some wag has replied, yes, but which Wednesday?!! Lol.
WimbledonWestie
02-08-2016, 16:21
Lol. Fingers crossed then for tomorrow.
exislander
02-08-2016, 16:40
Yes, and fingers crossed if it is not in Scotland there might be cheap train tickets left to make up for needing 4 hotel nights rather than 2! I know many of you prefer not Scotland but the nearer the time when they announce the venue the more expensive the travel becomes.
WimbledonWestie
02-08-2016, 16:46
I prefer Scotkand as although I can hopefully get to alternative venue for Saturday Sunday I have family and friends who love Davis cup and are keen supporters but for a variety of reasons would be unable to travel. However, I realise that's the same for folk all over the country. What will be will be.
lovetennis
02-08-2016, 18:41
Kept checking social media all day in hope of an announcement but in vain of course. Fingers crossed for tomorrow. I'd b happy with Glasgow or Brum, both are equal to me in travel time, cost and hotel costs. Would like Cardiff for the venue size but for me it's far more difficult and expensive to get to, plus hotels seem dearer there. Hopefully the LTA powers that be will put us out of our agony tomorrow and we can start to firm up plans
Malarkey99
02-08-2016, 18:46
Yes, and fingers crossed if it is not in Scotland there might be cheap train tickets left to make up for needing 4 hotel nights rather than 2! I know many of you prefer not Scotland but the nearer the time when they announce the venue the more expensive the travel becomes.
If any of you use Tesco club card you can swap your points on their boost scheme for train ticket vouchers on redspottedhanky.com e.g. £5 token gets you a tenner off the train ticket. The only minus is they don't always have all the cheapest fares like trainline (who buy them up!), but it's usually within a few pounds. Every little helps...... ;)
I think the LTA announced our semi final venue against Australia on the 3rd August last year, but I think it wasn't announced until the evening.
I think the LTA announced our semi final venue against Australia on the 3rd August last year, but I think it wasn't announced until the evening.
I believe it was on the 12th August as they got a deadline extension (again)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/33880099
themass15
03-08-2016, 08:23
I have just seen venue to be announced at 10 a.m.
Emirates Arena
https://www.lta.org.uk/major-events/international-events/davis-cup/davis-cup-news/2016/aegon-gb-davis-cup-team-and-argentina-to-face-off-in-glasgow/
Can people please discuss transport, hotels, non block booking tickets etc on the correct thread in Coaches Corner - http://www.andymurrayfanforum.com/forums/showthread.php?2229-Davis-Cup-SF-GB-v-Argentina-16-18-Sept-2016-Hotels-travel-etc&p=161625#post161625
roytennisfan
04-08-2016, 20:53
Will get a good chance to see how their team is on an outdoor hard court at Olympics but Emirates will probably be slower, cooler and MUCH LOUDER!
RosieBear
10-08-2016, 13:13
Hi all, I won't be able to go in September as not allowed to fly until November but just checking, was Glasgow not the only place mentioned by Leon when interviewed after the win in Serbia?
Will miss you, BG - who's going to loiter around the Emirates in the pouring rain with me now?!:) So pleased you're off the no fly list in November, just in time, I'm confident (:peace:) we'll catch up then. Look forward to seeing you, take really good care til then.:hug:
lovetennis
15-08-2016, 19:45
So are we all looking forward to an Andy v Delpo rematch in Glasgow? Got to say I am fascinated to see that lethal forehand of Delpo's in the flesh. What a match it's going to be :battle:
WimbledonWestie
15-08-2016, 20:37
I saw Delpo play Federer at the 02 3 years ago. Awesome match. Also saw him at Wimbledon that year. Yes, it's a beast of a shot- but both times I was sat high up. Will be quite something to see it close up.
So are we all looking forward to an Andy v Delpo rematch in Glasgow? Got to say I am fascinated to see that lethal forehand of Delpo's in the flesh. What a match it's going to be :battle:
The weird thing is that he's currently no 14 for them, so would play Andy on the first day. Quite a banker for their fifth rubber.
WimbledonWestie
15-08-2016, 22:56
Yikes!
lovetennis
16-08-2016, 06:49
The weird thing is that he's currently no 14 for them, so would play Andy on the first day. Quite a banker for their fifth rubber.
Scary thought
Unfortunately I shall not be able to go as we are going to France and will be skint. Was looking forward to it and would probably have been able to go if it had been closer. Will, of course, watching every minute on the box. Have a great time everyone who is going.
suttontennis
16-08-2016, 09:52
Scary thought
but they could nominate him as their no.1 if they choose to, it might be a waste for him to play the 5th rubber if the tie is already over.
but they could nominate him as their no.1 if they choose to, it might be a waste for him to play the 5th rubber if the tie is already over.
I thought they had to go by WRs. seems to make a mockery of it otherwise.
Yeah!!! Delpo Leathal Forehand, FedEx Majestic backhand and Andy's every shot in the book. BH, Lob, Drop Shot the lot. Looking forward to DC. Aller Andy.:thumbup::thumbup::GBflag:
I have seen Andy play DelPo before - at the very first WTF at the O2 in the very first match on the Sunday afternoon. So a while ago now and given what we have just witnessed, it should be a cracker! Absolutely can't wait! I hate cheering against DelPo but this is Andy so it's fine.
suttontennis
16-08-2016, 12:53
I thought they had to go by WRs. seems to make a mockery of it otherwise.
quite correct. Davis Cup rules - sections V11, rule 36c i, - basically before the draw the captain must nominate his two singles players in order of merit, based on most recent ranking lists.
Yeah, but do protected rankings count?
suttontennis
16-08-2016, 13:38
protected rankings do not count. Players without computer rankings must be ranked by their national federation.
So for example, if the GB team gets kidnapped and Leon asks me to play (assuming I've brought the right shoes) then the LTA must give me a ranking to ensure I'm not sneaked into the team and put up against a higher ranked Argentinian.
I believe Delpo's protected ranking has expired hence he requires a wild card for the US Open otherwise he'll have to play qualifying. Steve Johnson speaking in Cincinnati yesterday doesn't think he should.
Ben Rothenberg @BenRothenberg
Steve Johnson suggested "it may make a lot of American fans upset" if del Potro gets US Open wild card and beats a top American first round.
Sounds like he's running scared. Surely it's unthinkable that Delpo as a former champion and after what he achieved in Rio wouldn't get a wild card. Mind you, won't be saying that if he's drawn against Andy in the first round. ;)
I assume they will go for a fast court surface for the tie in Glasgow but is there a tipping point that if it's too fast it starts favouring the big hitters? Always confusing, court surfaces and who they favour.
angiebabez
16-08-2016, 14:14
Ooh i thought delpo would be their no 1 therefore play Andy on the sunday? Wont he be classed as their 1 then?
Based on sutton's info above their number 1 would have to be Delbonis. DelPo is 141, and there are 11 Argentinians between the 2!
suttontennis
16-08-2016, 14:32
Based on sutton's info above their number 1 would have to be Delbonis. DelPo is 141, and there are 11 Argentinians between the 2!
I would bet that most if not all of the 11 Argentines mentioned above are stronger on clay and therefore wouldn't be as comfortable on the hard surface we use in Glasgow. Only DelPotro has the weapons to suit a faster surface.
The USTA have awarded Delpo a wild card into the US Open. Now just everyone hope he's in the other half or at least the opposite quarter. :thumbup:
The USTA have awarded Delpo a wild card into the US Open. Now just everyone hope he's in the other half or at least the opposite quarter. :thumbup:
Well done the USTA.
Well done the USTA.
I'm happy about this - admittedly I won't be if knocks Andy out, but he's a former champion and playing top 10 level arguably top 5 so IMHO it's the right thing to do.
roytennisfan
16-08-2016, 16:19
The USTA have awarded Delpo a wild card into the US Open. Now just everyone hope he's in the other half or at least the opposite quarter. :thumbup:
Chance of him getting Nole in the first round again lol
Chance of him getting Nole in the first round again lol
.............. or Andy, of course!
On recent form, it's hardly inconceivable that DelPo could get to the final of the US Open. Barring an exceptional tourney for Delbonis that would make him Argentina's No1 by the time of DC I think.
Well done the USTA. Absolutely right! And shame on Steve Johnson for suggesting they shouldn't. I liked him but that is a BIG black mark for him in my book. Andy on the other hand says it's absolutely right that DelPo should get a wild card. Good on you Andy, but I wouldn't expect anything less :thumbup:
If Del Potty goes deep into the US Open, I bet he won't come over to the UK to play DC.
It is good of the USTA though I do wonder if after the Olympics his performance at the us won't be as good. Recovery time and all that. I do hope he makes the Davis though. I would like to see a match between him and Murray and I imagine Murray would get the better of him again :)
I agree. Andy in any match is a force to be reckoned with but in Davis Cup, on a hard court with a home crowd behind him - I'd put my money on him every time.
I agree. Andy in any match is a force to be reckoned with but in Davis Cup, on a hard court with a home crowd behind him - I'd put my money on him every time.
Me too Alis .... but why wouldn't we? He has only lost 2 singles matches in DC his whole career! I was there for both - Wawrinka away in Geneva, and Fabio-o-o away in Naples. Both on clay.
On the Friday, the first match will start at 1pm (12.00 GMT). On the Saturday, it starts at 2pm (13.00 GMT). On the Sunday, it starts at 1pm (12.00 GMT).
LC the fan
21-08-2016, 11:47
If Del Potty goes deep into the US Open, I bet he won't come over to the UK to play DC.
If Delpo goes deep into the US Open he is going to upset a few players along the way. The man could be a positive menace, bless him
suttontennis
24-08-2016, 13:28
But you can see where the LTA are coming from. At least this time they've offered weekend passes to regular attendees and LTA members, which hadn't been done for a while. And rather than try and build the support in a new city who maybe aren't used to the DC atmosphere, I can see why they keep it in Glasgow. Everything is in place. I accept that Birmingham have had DC, and London should be used to Tennis, but the support in Glasgow is far more fervent than anywhere else. I remember when they had a tie in Nottingham (India 1998) and this was after Nott'm had staged the Fed Cup, Fed Cup qualifier and the Open had been running for 3 yrs. The atmosphere still wasn't great and it didn't sell out. i think that if they reach the final, and it's at home, the LTA will do their utmost to have it in Scotland. Perhaps they can put a 'Battersea' type tent up over Celtic Park !!
angiebabez
24-08-2016, 14:14
Im torn this time im really pleased with the city (obviously as i live in glasgow) but not with the venue...as much i love the atmosphere in emirates i agree that it really should be in a much bigger venue!! Its nowhere near big enough. I would really love to get an answer to why on earth the hydro isnt used?? 5,000 more folk would fit in there?? And b4 anyone says it im not buying the story of the low roof..ive been in it and its certainly no lower than Gent.
patmoren
24-08-2016, 14:14
But you can see where the LTA are coming from. At least this time they've offered weekend passes to regular attendees and LTA members, which hadn't been done for a while. And rather than try and build the support in a new city who maybe aren't used to the DC atmosphere, I can see why they keep it in Glasgow. Everything is in place. I accept that Birmingham have had DC, and London should be used to Tennis, but the support in Glasgow is far more fervent than anywhere else. I remember when they had a tie in Nottingham (India 1998) and this was after Nott'm had staged the Fed Cup, Fed Cup qualifier and the Open had been running for 3 yrs. The atmosphere still wasn't great and it didn't sell out. i think that if they reach the final, and it's at home, the LTA will do their utmost to have it in Scotland. Perhaps they can put a 'Battersea' type tent up over Celtic Park !!
DC has been in Coventry, Bolton, Liverpool, Birmingham, Eastbourne, Wimbledon long before it ever went to Glasgow.
DC has been in Coventry, Bolton, Liverpool, Birmingham, Eastbourne, Wimbledon long before it ever went to Glasgow.
Yes and the atmosphere was just as good as Glasgow!!! The LTA by all accounts certainly weren't thinking of having the final in Glasgow last time, had it been a home tie. They were looking at Cardiff. Unfortunately this time there appears to be a religious event (rugby :rolleyes:) that rules Cardiff out. Oops:cauldron:
We had a tie in Liverpool some years back.
Before I had the money for tennis events. Or much of anything. It wasn't long after I'd moved here and we had just got the house
It would be a great shame if we made the final and they gave it to Emirates again. I don't know if the atmosphere would be better in Glasgow. It wasn't as good in Birmingham but that doesn't mean it can't be good elsewhere. Especially in a bigger venue. I think they should boot whoever out of the 02 and do it there. There's always a great atmosphere for the WTF. I doubt it will be coming to the rubbish echo anytime soon. On the roof height thing I'm sure I read somewhere the agent was low and asked for and was granted special allowances.
Silverdee
24-08-2016, 17:49
Surely the Emirates isn't big enough to meet the minimum capacity required for a final?
Elizabeth
24-08-2016, 19:17
Davis Cup is the only tennis we get in Scotland and the only chance Andy and Jamie have to play in their home territory.
RosieBear
24-08-2016, 19:33
Davis Cup is the only tennis we get in Scotland and the only chance Andy and Jamie have to play in their home territory.
And Wales thus far has had no tennis at all, which seems very unfair, especially since they have a bigger venue. Andy and Jamie play for Team GB so Cardiff is their home territory too and surely deserves a tie.
Really hope that we will be in the final and that it will be in Cardiff!
Silverdee
24-08-2016, 20:57
Unfortunately the final can't be at the Millenium stadium - a rugby match is on
Unfortunately the final can't be at the Millenium stadium - a rugby match is on
Might have a word in somebody's shell-like ;)
Elizabeth
25-08-2016, 12:39
And Wales thus far has had no tennis at all, which seems very unfair, especially since they have a bigger venue. Andy and Jamie play for Team GB so Cardiff is their home territory too and surely deserves a tie.
Sorry RosieBear I wasn't implying that Cardiff didn't deserve a tie.
The teams have to announced before the middle of next week. I've gone for the Murray brothers, Kyle Edmund and Dom Inglot for us. Delbonis, Monaco, del Potro and Pella for Argentina.
Though I would prefer Kyle I suspect it could be Dan. I guess the next few days in the open will help decide. But I think you're right on the Argentina team
roytennisfan
02-09-2016, 11:37
It's a very close call between Dan and Kyle, how well they hold up in their next matches could be decisive. Delpo is looking a real threat on the lively us courts, can't see anyone stopping him before the semis and think that could be a real challenge for Andy.
I was thinking this today roytennisfan. It makes me less confident about a win. Great to see for Delpo though. He deserved his wildcard lol
Yellowlivi
02-09-2016, 21:59
I can't see Leon not picking Dan now his ranking is so high.
I can't see Leon not picking Dan now his ranking is so high.
But then Kyle won't be too far behind so it's a tough call between the two. It could come down to whose game matches up best to Delpo's.
........... or whose game is the more reliable.
There's nothing between their rankings. 53, and 55 on LR. 47 and 48 in the race.
Leon's never been one for rankings anyway.
The only reason that Dan's is so close to Kyle's in any case is because Kyle played the last DC for us and the Olympics while Dan was accumulating more points. Kyle would be significantly ahead otherwise.
Does Leon gamble on Andy being fit to play doubles and not name Dom? It's really difficult but - hey - Leon has had difficult choices before and come up with the right one!
Sallydaisy
05-09-2016, 09:38
Maybe Jamie could play with Dan? He's pretty quick about the net ...
There's nothing between their rankings. 53, and 55 on LR. 47 and 48 in the race.
Leon's never been one for rankings anyway.
The only reason that Dan's is so close to Kyle's in any case is because Kyle played the last DC for us and the Olympics while Dan was accumulating more points. Kyle would be significantly ahead otherwise.
Glad you've got a crystal ball and know how well Kyle would have done.
the doubles will be crucial, won't it? best pair from Jamie, Dom, Dan.
I would imagine it also depends who is in the right frame of mind. It's possible that their loses could weigh on one more than another. It shouldn't, they should both feel nothing but pride, but Leon will probably look at confidence as well as ranking and how they are playing.
Glad you've got a crystal ball and know how well Kyle would have done.
No crystal ball ;) , but if he'd played he'd in tournaments that were allocated points, he'd have got some points as opposed to non. My point still stands though.
Rather than trying to figure out which of Dan or Kyle would fare better v Delpo, surely it would be better concentrating on which of them would be better at doing the business v Delbonis - but that's what Leon's paid to do! Incidentally, if Delpo reaches the semis I think he will be their no.1 again next week.
Man in possession will keep his place IMO.
Rather than trying to figure out which of Dan or Kyle would fare better v Delpo, surely it would be better concentrating on which of them would be better at doing the business v Delbonis - but that's what Leon's paid to do! Incidentally, if Delpo reaches the semis I think he will be their no.1 again next week.
Hence my point about both playing one of them can give del p a go on Friday while Andy beets up on delponis then the other comes in fresh Sunday to play a tired delponis .......easy peasy :lol:
Hope Dan's foot recovers OK - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/us-open-dan-evans-left-heartbroken-in-five-set-defeat-by-stan-wawrinka-to-end-flushing-meadows-run-a7224836.html
themass15
05-09-2016, 19:54
That is a worry if Dan is not fit to play.
It seems like he's confident that it will be better in time for Davis. But even if he isn't we have Kyle too, so though for Dan it wouldn't be the end of our chances.
roytennisfan
06-09-2016, 04:41
Hence my point about both playing one of them can give del p a go on Friday while Andy beets up on delponis then the other comes in fresh Sunday to play a tired delponis .......easy peasy :lol:
Am I not right in thinking if DelPo loses to Stan he will be number two and play Andy first on Friday
roytennisfan
06-09-2016, 04:46
Hope Dan's foot recovers OK - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/us-open-dan-evans-left-heartbroken-in-five-set-defeat-by-stan-wawrinka-to-end-flushing-meadows-run-a7224836.html
Don't think there is much doubt Dan will be fit. He was more worried about his chance of being selected.
Am I not right in thinking if DelPo loses to Stan he will be number two and play Andy first on Friday
Yes, I think Delpo has to reach semis to regain his no. 1 spot.
I'm still waiting for my tickets to turn up. Anyone else still waiting?
According to the BBC's website, BBC 2 will be showing the matches, next Friday, from 1pm (13.00pm). BBC 1 will be showing the doubles match from 1.45pm (13.45pm) and if it isn't finished, then BBC 2 will then show it from 4.30pm (16.30pm). BBC 1 will be showing the Sunday matches from 12.45pm.
Am I not right in thinking if DelPo loses to Stan he will be number two and play Andy first on Friday
Correct, also assuming they pick a higher ranked player as the other singles player (Delbonis, Pella or potentially Zeballos)
Leon Smith has announced our team. It'll be the Murray brothers, Dan Evans, Kyle Edmund and Dom Inglot.
patmoren
06-09-2016, 11:02
Leon Smith has announced our team. It'll be the Murray brothers, Dan Evans, Kyle Edmund and Dom Inglot.
No surprise there then!!
Rosalind
06-09-2016, 12:09
According to the BBC's website, BBC 2 will be showing the matches, next Friday, from 1pm (13.00pm). BBC 1 will be showing the doubles match from 1.45pm (13.45pm) and if it isn't finished, then BBC 2 will then show it from 4.30pm (16.30pm). BBC 1 will be showing the Sunday matches from 12.45pm.
They change them on a whim though! One time they thought that golf took precedence or vice versa and kindly swapped everything around so I got Justin not Andy on my carefully recorded selection. I now record bbc 1 and 2 to cover my bases.
Eurosport are also covering it. I find them more reliable than bbc and recently bbc has been jumping channels and to red button with no notice making it hard to set recordings when you aren't about to check on then
Argentina's team to face Great Britain in the #DavisCup semifinal is Federico Delbonis, Guido Pella, Leonardo Mayer and Juan MartÃ*n del Potro
Andy taking nothing for granted. ;)
Q. Do you already have the next Davis Cup semifinal on your mind? What are your expectations?
ANDY MURRAY: It's kind of in the back of my mind, yeah. I'm not thinking about it too much. I mean, I'm guessing I'll obviously be in the team. Yeah, head there pretty much as soon as I'm finished here. Maybe have a couple of days at home, then start getting ready for that.
Leon Smith said on 5Live yesterday that Dan was heading to Glasgow on Friday which show his commitment.
angiebabez
06-09-2016, 17:35
Andy taking nothing for granted. ;)
Leon Smith said on 5Live yesterday that Dan was heading to Glasgow on Friday which show his commitment.
Maybe he wants to party the weekend first? ;)
Cant see how andy is gonna manage a few days at home...if (when he wins the title) he will have media commitments monday so probably couldnt arrive in glasgow any earlier than tuesday so when is he gonna fit in going to surrey :big grin:
Am I not right in thinking if DelPo loses to Stan he will be number two and play Andy first on Friday
Have the Davis Cup rules changed? Back in 2005, World rankings didn't matter and it was up to the Captain to nominate his Number 1 & 2 players. Jeremy Bates nominated Murray as no 1 & Alan Mackin as no 2 with Rusedski in reserve to spoil the Swiss expectations.
jackie55
06-09-2016, 18:41
They change them on a whim though! One time they thought that golf took precedence or vice versa and kindly swapped everything around so I got Justin not Andy on my carefully recorded selection. I now record bbc 1 and 2 to cover my bases.
I know this is going to be a dilemma for me because l go away on holiday on Friday 16 for 5 nights, so planned to record the matches, hopefully if there is a problem l will be able to do catch up, fingers crossed :rolleyes:
Sallydaisy
06-09-2016, 19:02
Have the Davis Cup rules changed? Back in 2005, World rankings didn't matter and it was up to the Captain to nominate his Number 1 & 2 players. Jeremy Bates nominated Murray as no 1 & Alan Mackin as no 2 with Rusedski in reserve to spoil the Swiss expectations.
I'm not sure if or when the rules changed but what is true now is:-
The captains can nominate whichever players they like irrespective of rank (and whether available!).
i.e. they don't HAVE to nominate their currently ranked #1 and #2 players per the ATP rankings.
Which is why Del Potro can be nominated ahead of compatriots who are nominally higher ranked.
Whoever is chosen the nominated #1 and #2 are decided per the rankings on the Monday before the tie.
i.e. Monday 12th September.
Day 1: In NO particular order per DC rules, the captains decide.
The #1 in each team plays the #2 in each team.
Day 2: Doubles. Any of the 4 team members can be chosen.
Day 3: #1 plays #1 FIRST. #2 plays #2 SECOND/LAST.
So, if the teams are tied 2-2 it's down to the #2 players to win or lose for the team.
Which is why DC is so TEAM focussed ... it requires ALL the players to be committed and able.
I thought there was a draw to decide which of the number ones play first.
I thought there was a draw to decide which of the number ones play first.there is
Sallydaisy
06-09-2016, 19:44
I thought there was a draw to decide which of the number ones play first.
there is
Yes, sorry there is a draw BUT I thought that sometimes the captains could negotiate on the order of play on Day 1 i.e. sometimes that the Home #1 could play first OR if there were mitigating circumstances that the draw could be varied.
Leon has nominated 5 players, can they all play, or only 4 of them?
angiebabez
06-09-2016, 21:28
Leon has nominated 5 players, can they all play, or only 4 of them?
Only 4
roytennisfan
06-09-2016, 21:33
Yes one of Dan, Dom or Kyle will.not make the final 4 unless Andy or Jamie injured
Radio five live will be doing a Davis Cup preview next Thursday from 7.30pm (19.30pm).
So does anyone know the definite answer.. If andy murray and del potro play in the davis cup does del potro have to be number 2 which would mean andy murray vs del potro on the Friday ?
thanks
So does anyone know the definite answer.. If andy murray and del potro play in the davis cup does del potro have to be number 2 which would mean andy murray vs del potro on the Friday ?
thanks
:welcome: to the forum gregl. If you scroll back a page you will find this being discussed. Andy would play the number 2 ranked player (according to world rankings) on the Friday.
:welcome: to the forum gregl. If you scroll back a page you will find this being discussed. Andy would play the number 2 ranked player (according to world rankings) on the Friday.
No, that's not right. The captain can nominate whoever he wants to play as no 1, irrespective of world ranking - see Sally's earlier post
Sallydaisy
09-09-2016, 08:31
No, that's not right. The captain can nominate whoever he wants to play as no 1, irrespective of world ranking - see Sally's earlier post
erm, I didn't say that ... in fact, the opposite.
The Captain can nominate who he wants to have in the team but DC Rules are that the #1 and #2 player are dictated by the ATP rankings on the Monday preceding the tie i.e. Mon 12th September.
The captains can nominate whichever players they like irrespective of rank (and whether available!).
i.e. they don't HAVE to nominate their currently ranked #1 and #2 players per the ATP rankings.
Which is why Del Potro can be nominated ahead of compatriots who are nominally higher ranked.
Whoever is chosen the nominated #1 and #2 are decided per the rankings on the Monday before the tie.
i.e. Monday 12th September.
See section 36 of the DC regulations:-
(c)(i) Before commencement of the Draw each Captain must give to the
Referee the names of his two singles players in order of merit based on
the most recent world computer singles ranking accepted by the ITF.
Protected rankings are not used. Players with no computer ranking
must be ranked based on their national ranking or by the respective
Captain for Nations/players without a national ranking.
So assuming Andy & JMdP are both nominated for the singles:-
If Delbonis or Pella is the other singles nomination then Andy would play JMdP on Friday, if Mayer is the other singles nomination then Andy would play Mayer.
I did wonder if Argentina might pick Mayer for exactly that reason.
so, del Potro has 410 points and is ranked 142 in the ATP Rankings for 29th Aug.
how many points will del Potro gain as a losing quarter finalist in US Slam (same as Andy)
so, del Potro has 410 points and is ranked 142 in the ATP Rankings for 29th Aug.
how many points will del Potro gain as a losing quarter finalist in US Slam (same as Andy)
del Potro will be around 63rd in Monday's rankings with 770 points, definitely 3rd of the 4 players Argentina nominated
would Arg pick Leo Mayer if they want to win the tie? rather than Delbonis? who will they pick for dubs? I do hope Andy will not play dubs if he is playing delPotro on Sunday singles
erm, I didn't say that ... in fact, the opposite.
The Captain can nominate who he wants to have in the team but DC Rules are that the #1 and #2 player are dictated by the ATP rankings on the Monday preceding the tie i.e. Mon 12th September.
I'm afraid that your post was slightly ambiguous, but it's clear now.
In 2005, Jeremy Bates could choose anyone from his team to be the Singles players on Friday, so he chose Murray & Alan Mackin. Then according to their world rankings, Murray was no 1 & Mackin was no 2. The rules gave GB the right to substitute Mackin with Rusedski on Sunday. The whole point of this was to stop Rusedski from having to play Federer the Swiss no 1 who was on a winning streak. Mackin was made a sacrificial lamb and lost to Federer in straight sets. Though, the British tactics came to nothing and Switzerland won 5-0.
Caley Shaun
10-09-2016, 01:47
If you were GB Davis Cup captain, who would you pick for 2nd singles and doubles matches?
For me it has to be Kyle for 2nd singles and Murray boys for doubles.
Have just seen that only 3players have been announced by Argentina
Nope, they named the 4 named earlier in this thread.
roytennisfan
10-09-2016, 18:03
If I were the Argentine captain, I would name delpotro and mayer for singles, so that delpo will be number one and have his easier match first getting used to the court and the atmosphere. I would then substitute delbonis for Mayer for the last match.
obviously Leon could decide that Andy will play all three with the option of playing both Kyle and Dan for a singles each. Andy has played all 3 for the past three recently with Jamie apart from after we were two nil up against usa
If that happened, roytennisfan, and Kyle Edmund beat del Potro then I would expect us to win the tie next Saturday. I did read, a few days ago, Leon Smith is hoping that Andy will play all three days. But, if we win the tie next Saturday, I think Dan Evans might replace Andy next Sunday.
Andy is already in Glasgow. There's a photo on twitter of him in Wholefoods (where else? ;)) in Giffnock yesterday.
angiebabez
11-09-2016, 10:50
Andy is already in Glasgow. There's a photo on twitter of him in Wholefoods (where else? ;)) in Giffnock yesterday.
Ooh can u post it please
Ooh can u post it please
It's a picture with a young girl which I didn't think right to post here but this is the link (https://twitter.com/darrenforsyth83/status/774679699255472128) to it.
exislander
11-09-2016, 13:21
Andy is already in Glasgow. There's a photo on twitter of him in Wholefoods (where else? ;)) in Giffnock yesterday.
My brother lives just round the corner!
Andy is already in Glasgow. There's a photo on twitter of him in Wholefoods (where else? ;)) in Giffnock yesterday.
Well, from that photo he looks quite relaxed.
If that happened, roytennisfan, and Kyle Edmund beat del Potro then I would expect us to win the tie next Saturday. I did read, a few days ago, Leon Smith is hoping that Andy will play all three days. But, if we win the tie next Saturday, I think Dan Evans might replace Andy next Sunday.
Dan can only replace Andy on Sunday if he's one of the 4 players named in the team, i.e. Dom Inglot is left out, which would mean Andy's committed to playing the doubles (unless Dan were to team up with Jamie).
I can definitely see Dan being named in the doubles.
So many options!! A lovely position to be in!!
Andy is already in Glasgow. There's a photo on twitter of him in Wholefoods (where else? ;)) in Giffnock yesterday.
Rats! I just live a mile or so away. So near yet so far!
roytennisfan
11-09-2016, 21:31
See Leon has been feeding haggis to kyle and Evo. Maybe he said best eater gets in the team lol
Really exciting to see who gets the nod .... Evo, Evo, Evoooooo!! ;) :laugh:
The whole thing is exciting. It's great we have such a wealth of players to pick from :)
LC the fan
12-09-2016, 11:28
Yes it is - great and unusual in recent times; but still feel too much of the burden sits on Andy's shoulders. However, pretty sure he will play the doubles and all three if necessary. He's had a few days rest and will be raring to go.
(and I feel the fact that Novak was a little under par in the US final which could perhaps have given Andy number four will be an added grit to his game)
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